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How competitive will the Angels be in 2009

So starting payroll after arbitration should have decreased the payroll from @ 130 to @ 110. Assume the Angels keep it that way and are chomping at the bit till gmj can end his contract. Is that what Angel fans can expect during these tough times? An owner pulling in the purse strings, trying to lower the team to the level of the division?

The Angels need a bat and some more impact pitching. Those people seem to be gone and the Angels are relying on what they have and so are the other division rivals. However, the A's as you recall stocked up when they traded away most of their regulars.

So where are the Angels expected to go this year? Is it all the way? Will they be the best and most competitive team in b/b? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win the ALDS? Will they win the ALCS? Will they win the World Series?

Comeon gimme a break.Ther's no one to drive in runs. There's no 1-2 punch. There's no Tex/ARod probably the best 3 -4 combo going. We saw what a Tex/Big Daddy combo was like.

Sure you can argue that the Yankees have lots of weaknesses. And they do. The best outfield they could put put out there would be Nady, Damon, Swisher and Gardner. Cano is O.K. but an average player.  Jeter is falling slowly. They are really weakest at catcher unless Posada can come back from shoulder surgery. So the bottom line is the Yankees are no shoe in. The Angels should be able to compete 40-60. IMHO that sucks.

Let's hope that all the Angels stay healthy. That Lackey, Ervin, Joe and the rest of the athletes play to their full potential. Maybe they need a Zen Master?

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favorites to win the division but probably not aiming for a world series

just speaking realistically. I think theyre hoping to develop some young talent making the minimum to better equip themselves for a world series run and not rely so much on free agents. If Kendrick and Wood or even Morales can blossom into legitimate offensive threats, adding another major free agent in 2010 makes us serious threats.

its not the end of the world if this is what theyre trying to do. Its unrealistic to have a world series caliber roster every single year, especially when the yankees are back to stealing every impact free agent

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 26, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You cannot compare the Angels to the Yankees

It will only cause frustration.

There’s no Tex/ARod probably the best 3 -4 combo going

Who else does have an equivalent 3 – 4? Certainly no other AL West team. Youk/Ortiz is a distant second.

Maybe if we got Manny to slot in before/after Vlad, but otherwise it ain’t happening.

by Ajax on Dec 26, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, lets see

The Angels run prevention is still well above average. They did, however, lose their closer and 5th starter and gold glove first baseman.

Assuming the roster stands pat, the angels are projected at around the bottom third of total offense in the AL, while up around the top third for pitching.

The A’s stand the best chance at catching us with top tier run prevention and an improving offense.

Most likely errors will go up in a significant way from other infield positions with a somewhat weak first baseman. Aybar will not have the assurance of throwing to a vacuum at first, his throwing errors will most likely go up significantly.

The closer position is going to have to be filled in 09, which currently would be Shield’s position. This moves everyone up a notch, making the bullpen weaker. If the league figures out Arrendondo’s two pitches(fastball, splitter is all he throws) then our bullpen becomes immediately exploitable. And we have all seen how Shields pitches against Boston.

The lineup of

Figgins
Aybar/Izturis
Vlad
Hunter
Rivera
Kendrick
Napoli
Morales

is weak. Especially considering we have no clear cut DH if Vlad plays the field. Who would DH, Willits? GMJ? Mathis? Izturis when is isnt SS?

All extremely weak options for your DH spot.

Some things to think about:

Kendrick remains injury prone
Errors become an issue, a big one
None of the young kids have a break out year
Hunter and Vlad continue to decline
Saunders/Satana are not as effective
5th spot is a rotating craphole and provides 15-20 losses

A combination of any of all of those factors could easily see us fall from 100 game winners to taking 2nd.

To make matters worse with the Halos inability to improve the offense Lackey will probably not resign. Don’t be surprised to see him in Boston to start 2010.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 26, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oooouuuuuuuuccccchhhhhhh

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 26, 2008 8:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

I’m more worried about Texas than Oakland. Seattle won’t be a factor again this year. I have no idea why Oakland traded for 1 year of Holliday. Outside of Holliday, they field a AAA lineup out there every day and they have no pitching since they traded it all away (Dan Haren, Rich Harden, Joe Blanton, Greg Smith, Huston Street). Texas DOES have pitching contrary to belief, but it just hasn’t developed yet. That being said, I still feel the Halos are the best team in the AL West. Texas finished 2nd place last year and they haven’t gotten worse so far this off-season while we lost major pieces to the puzzle as mentioned above (K-Rod, Tex/Kotch, GA, Garland) without really replacing them.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 26, 2008 10:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas does not have pitching this year

as you said, which means they do not have the ability to prevent runs, which they were last in doing in all of baseball last year (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=2&timeFrame=1&Submit=Submit&c_id=mlb&groupByTeam=true&sitSplit=&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2008&sortByStat=R).

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 27, 2008 8:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

They have pitching talent but it’s in the minors. We are the only team in the division with pitching but Texas has the best offense so that is why I said I am more worried about them than Oakland because Oakland has NOTHING outside of Matt Holliday.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 27, 2008 10:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Dec 28, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm....

While it is true that we haven’t run out and signed FA replacements for KRod, Teix, GA, Garland, I don’t think that means that we won’t replace them at all.

Either we think our farm is coming to the rescue, or we take the Front Office at its word that it isn’t done, even if they aren’t running after ManRam or Dunn or whatever.

There is a long time before Pitchers and Catchers meet in the new year. Patience is a virtue. Oh, and it is a buyer’s market. Lots to be had still, and the prices are just dropping and dropping.

by matthiasstephan on Dec 27, 2008 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a guess....

…based upon the current roster, I’d say 85 to 90 wins. Assume the wild card comes from the AL east. Sorry – but the ending will be no different than 2008. The Halos do not make it to the ALCS.

by mustard_man on Dec 26, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Sad

The Angels are no longer poised to contend for championships. They seems content with division titles. We should just try to enjoy the final season of Vlad and Lackey. I predict both will be gone after 2009.

Am I bitter? Damn right! We could have overspent a little for Tex and it would be a completely different story right now.

I'm still not over losing Tex.

by 10 27 02 on Dec 29, 2008 8:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah right

Boras would have just taken the offer back the Yanks and they would have outbid it. don’t kid yourself that Teix wanted to be an Angel in 09.

so who was the favorite to win in 08? 07? 06? 05? 04? 03? 02?

relax, the games aren’t won on paper. you have to actually play the games. so lets see how it plays out.

by HALO_86 on Dec 29, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vlad is back in 2009 and Lackey is likely gone

Unless Vlad gets injured, falls apart, or goes Guillen on us he is back. Lackey is only back if the Angels are unwise and overpay for Lackey to keep him from the likes of the BIG 3: Yankees, Boston, and the Mets.

by stolenbases on Dec 29, 2008 6:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on the rotation

The Angels starting rotation pitched the second highest number of innings in all of baseball last year (1012 IP), just 9 2/3 innings behind first (Toronto). They did it all with just 7 pitchers — one less than the Blue Jays — and one of those only started 3 times and pitched just 12 innings. That is remarkable health. Even more remarkable is that four of the five main starters pitched above league average, and three of them significantly above average. Along with a solid and well-rested bullpen, Angels starters pitched the team to 100 wins behind a mediocre offense.

The offense will again be mediocre, but even if there are injuries and young hitters continue to fall short of expectations, I doubt it will be any worse than second in the division, behind Texas. The bullpen may not be as good as it was last year, which means it all depends on the starting five. Unfortunately, they did so well and pitched so many innings last year, it is hard to expect them to top their 2008 performance and stay healthy while doing it. They just worked too hard last year: everyone but Lackey set personal highs for total innings pitched. That often leads to regression and injury the following season, especially in young pitchers. If I had to guess, I would say they’ll win around 89 games, which should win the division with plenty to spare.

As for the playoffs, if they’re in, they’ll have about as good a chance as anyone of winning it all. There’s no strong correlation between regular season success and playoff success. Just look at last year’s Angels, or that ridiculous 2001 Mariners team. Did anyone expect the Phillies or Diamondbacks to win in those two seasons? Or the awful Cardinals in 2006? The only positive correlation (i.e. non-random) between regular season performance and playoff performance seems to be (1) having pitchers who strike guys out, (2) having good late-inning relievers, and (3) playing good defense. I expect the Angels to do well in all three of those categories, like they did last year. Unfortunately, the correlation is not very strong, so I guess we’ll just have to play the games anyways.

by Suboptimal on Dec 26, 2008 2:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A's are coming.

I’m an Angel fan from OC, but the A’s are coming, and when they get here, they are gonna stay for a decade.

Billy Beane makes Reagins look like a 7th grader with a box of baseball cards, and when the A’s new ballpark opens (that’s not this year, is it?), Beane will have a budget.

by cj1646 on Dec 26, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Angels haven't learned the little secret yet.

Our GM traded O. Cabrera for a “World Series hero” Garland who has had declining strikeout rates for several years (which continued in ’08, explaining the high ERA), and gave 32-year old Torii Hunter $90M and 5 years, right out of the shoot.

I admit that Reagins has improved to mediocre since then.

by cj1646 on Dec 27, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well then clearly Tony Reagins failed you as a GM

I just think its funny that we lost 2 starting pitchers before opening day and you still thought acquiring a pitcher was a bad trade.

our rotation without that trade through mid may:

Jered Weaver
Ervin Santana
Joe Saunders
Dustin Moseley
Nick Green? a super unprepared Adenhart?

Keep in mind ervin was useless in 2007 and was only in the rotation because of injuries. we didnt know he was going to come back and dominate. In april, this rotation would have more or less made everyone here jump off a bridge. At that point we probably would have scrambled and signed someone way worse than garland or taken a beating every 4th and 5th day

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 27, 2008 1:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garland? #3 Starter on Most Teams?

On a minor point, if Reagins can continue to look into a crystal ball and see IN ADVANCE when two starters are going to go down, especially previously reliable ones like Lackey, then I’m all for keeping Reagins around for 20 years.

On another point, I was not opposed to trading Cabrera, in principle (‘though I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised by Aybar’s great defense). Cabrera’s value was never going to be higher than after ’07. But you can get a lot more for a guy with his reputation as a defensive shortstop, who also can get on base in 63 straight games, than Jon Garland.

It is a known fact, a result of empirical analysis about baseball by people who study such things, that strikeout rates and K/W ratio and ERA are excellent predictors of future win pct., saying nothing about H/9. Garland had been worsening in all these, and was still worse in ‘08. He must have had tremendous run support. The outlook isn’t good for ’09 for JG.

by cj1646 on Dec 28, 2008 8:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garland

who could you have gotten for Cabrera instead of Garland?

by HALO_86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously

apparently OC’s amazing trade value for hitting .300 for the first time in his career should have netted us Roy Halladay.

Its insanely easy to argue about things in hindsight. Truth is, going into 2008, our staff needed help. Ya, we didn’t know Escobar and Lackey were gonna go down, but we also AT THE TIME looked at Saunders as a fringe starter who we anticipated to compete for the 5th spot. Everyone here wanted Ervin traded. Weaver had come back down to earth. Some people looked at the Mariners as a serious contender. Add it all up and solidifying our rotation at the cost of a league average, aging SS made a ton of sense.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 29, 2008 12:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.300-hitting, good defensive shortstops DO indeed have trade value.

And it’s not hindsight. I hated the trade from the get-go. I didn’t like Garland a year ago, for the reasons listed above.

Our staff was better than most going into 2008, and pitching is less predictable than other kinds of talent. In most cases, it is unwise to trade a position player for a pitcher. In this case, the Angels could’ve done better. Why did it have to be a pitcher? They could have gotten help for another position. Get a good DH, or package OC together with another starter to improve at some other position.

by cj1646 on Dec 29, 2008 5:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cmon

OC was a solid player for the Angels but you overvaluing his Trade value. i don’t remember too many teams trading for SS and giving away top positional player in return last off-season.

our staff had question marks going into 08. especially with the fact that we were in pursuit of Miggy from the Marlins. 1 of the 3 young starters were going to be traded in that deal. so Garland was insurance. better getting him before the Miggy trade then after when teams know that we definitely needed another starter. since the trade didn’t go down it just added more depth to our SP. there is no way you could have predicted that Saunders and Santana were going to have years that they did.

by HALO_86 on Dec 29, 2008 11:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked both Saunders and Santana.

As did most teams. Given the struggles most teams have with starting pitching, I don’t know why we in Anaheim feel we can’t start the season without six good starters (which Garland isn’t, anyway).

by cj1646 on Dec 30, 2008 5:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

OC would have gotten the bunt down. No question about it.

by matt92130 on Dec 28, 2008 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’m not saying OC is superman. The the White Sox got the better of that trade.

I'm still not over losing Tex.

by 10 27 02 on Dec 29, 2008 9:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That being said...

I would mind him coming back for a year or two playing SS and to hit in the 2 hole. That could cause a ripple effect and force us to trade Aybar.

by matt92130 on Jan 2, 2009 10:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be much more concerned about the Rangers...

…if they got any pitching to speak of.

The A’s are completely off the radar.

by Ajax on Dec 26, 2008 3:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you, Paul Revere?

The A’s are coming? Come on, dude. People are trying to sleep here.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 26, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A's are coming in the first half...

and going in the second. You should be used to that by now.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say...

…or mean, that the A’s are coming next year. I guess I was off-topic. My culpa.

by cj1646 on Dec 28, 2008 8:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Halos fans need to be prepared for either/or

It really could go either way. Our young guys could kill or be killed and there is no way to find out but by putting them on the field.

On paper though we definitely will NOT have as strong of a team as last year. But screw paper…its baseball and anything can happen. Frankly, if we only examined shit on paper then the Rays were probably scheduled for another cellar year about this time last year.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 26, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

Statisticians agreed the Rays were poised to have a big year in ’08.

The Angels do look vulnerable on paper.

If the Angels do nothing and the A’s sign someone good the Angels better hope things break their way.

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by ChadGod on Dec 29, 2008 11:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no one to drive in runs ???? Vlad has been one of the top run producers the last 5 years..Where were you hiding ??
No impact pitching — I’d say Lackey and Santana ain’t no sloutches..
I’d say an 110 million payroll is pretty good…Seems Angels fans want a bat regardless of what it costs and if it makes sense..
I still see this team as the dominant team of the division.. Oakland is better but not by much,and as far as Texas or Seattle they both don’t have a chance and don’t pose a threat.
We have a better Napoli a healthier Rivera , Santana getting better,Arrendondo…It is still 08 ,lots of time yet for changes..give the team a chance to make moves before putting them down.. Keep your loyalty and faith.. I mean you guys are saying we are gonna be like Kansas or Pittsburgh.. We have a good team here , just because we didnt get Mark Teix doesnt mean we are done and might as well not play….

by raven191 on Dec 26, 2008 5:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the reason our farm isn't as good as their's is

so many of our top guys are now with the big club and not considered minor leaguers anymore — SRod, Wood, HK, Santana, Dondo, Saunders, Nap, Mathis, etc.

We got alot of good guys but they are all very low in the minor. But wait until after the 2009 draft. We will reload with very highly rated guys. 5-6 guys picked in the top 50 or so. That will help a lot.

If i were the A’s/Rangers, i would have wished the angels spent alot this offseason in hopes we would be out of money and old by the time either of those teams are ready to contend. But now they face the reality that the angels are better than them now and will have plenty of prime-time prospects coming 3-4 years from now. With an owner who is willing to have a top 5 payroll. That is scary if i am an A’s/Rangers fan.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 26, 2008 5:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot more holes than people seem to think.

Our defense is very suspect, with an aging and slow outfield (even with GA supposedly gone). GMJ is only a good defender (compared to the rest of his peer at the position) at the corners, Torii is good but aging, and Vlad and Rivera are just bad.

As for the lineup, we have no elite bat, and you have to wonder how long Vlad and Hunter can continue to produce at this level. You know Vlad isn’t the same player that we saw in 2004. Napoli and Kendrick’s development are promising signs, but you have to wonder if Howie can stay healthy (just 252 games in 2 1/2 seasons so far), and Wood and Morales are still unknowns at the Majors.

Our best bet is our pitching, although we’ll have to wait and see if Santana and Saunders can keep performing at their 2007 levels. Hopefully we can find another arm in the bullpen to help Shields and Arredondo out (Fuentes? A rejuvenated Speier? Jepsen? Who knows).

We’re certainly worse off than we were in pre-Tex 2008, and Seattle and Oakland have improved big time over the offseason, Seattle with an improved defense with the Putz trade and Oakland, of course, with Matt Holliday. And Texas, who knows with that ridiculous offense of theirs. Although I’d tentatively say that we’re still the favorites, who knows. The AL West will be a dogfight in 2009.

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by 442 on Dec 26, 2008 8:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rivera is slightly below average, not bad

a full season (fingers crossed) of aybar will mean that our defense is near the tops in the league in the infield (asuming morales and figgins/wood are at worst average and HK is slightly above average) and an ok outfield especially when Willits needs to fill in and more DH time for vlad.

Lets go angels

by anaheim angels on Dec 28, 2008 10:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We will win the West

And with our big 3: Lackey, Santana, and Saunders, have a great chance at winning it all.

And remember: Vlad with good Knee (Watch Out!); Rivera back to form; Napoli aka Troy Glaus Jr.; Figgy .280, .360, 50sb; The Magic of Iz; the dazzling defense of Figgy, Iz, Aybar, and My Man Torii. I’m ready. Let’s Rock.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 26, 2008 8:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kendrick, not howieistheman

howieistheman will drop to 19th in pregame guesses next year, then bounce back to a 9th place finish in 2010 :)

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 26, 2008 9:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahaha

i like the way you think.

i had a sick Spring, but faltered early on, which killed me.

hopefully, i’ll bounce back and start running right out of the gates in ’09

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 26, 2008 9:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're in good shape.

We’ll be competing with the A’s and will probably be slight to medium favorites to win the West. We probably won’t be favored to win in the playoffs assuming we get there. Though, we will be in a position to take on payroll, so we could beef up at the trading deadline.

Our lineup will miss Tex, but don’t let that make you think we’re in bad shape.

by snowhor on Dec 26, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

the game isnt even over yet, but we’re all calling it a day.

by linkbruin on Dec 27, 2008 10:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

be happy angels fans

A’s want anderson lol…please no

A’s target Abreu, Angels’ Anderson

The Chronicle has learned that the team has had preliminary conversations about free-agent outfielders Bobby Abreu and Garret Anderson as possible options should Giambi stick firmly to his wish for a three-year deal. A’s general manager Billy Beane has had brief contact with the agents for Abreu and Anderson.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…/SPKL14VNI1.DTL

by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 26, 2008 11:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that makes no sense for the As philosophy

thatd be like us getting a fat, slow, terrible defender

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 27, 2008 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at Mos numbers as an Angel

I would love to have that be our DH right now.

Hell he would be our best offensive player

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=123678

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by PhiSlamma on Dec 27, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His best as an Angel couldn't come close to Vladdy's worst

And we actually had good DH production last year. Of course, a big problem with Fat Mo was that Scioscia insisted on playing him in the field, and shoving Spiezio and Erstad at the DH slot.

by mattwelch on Dec 27, 2008 2:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ive never doubted mo's stats as a hitter

he was just a fat, slow, terrible defender…thats all

by linkbruin on Dec 27, 2008 10:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see 2009 being very similar to 2006

The team is obviously in transition and looking to cut the fat and see which of the younger players can be counted on to form the nucleus of future Angels teams. As a result, there is bound to be some pleasant surprises and some disappointments like there was in 2006.

Some surprises/positives from 2006:

Back in 2006 Jared Weaver was the story with his absolute dominance of major league hitting. He seemed destined to become a perennial CY contender for years to come and threatened to take away the “ace” tag from Lackey who had recently taken the tag away from a perpetually injured Colon. Frankie was also a big plus since he was absolutely dominant out of the bullpen and seemed ready to take the mantle away as the best closer in the game from Mo Rivera.

For offense we had a surprise in Juan Rivera with his HR power and .300+ BA. With Juan, it seemed as if the Halos had finally found the Robin to go along with Vladdy’s Batman to form a devastating 1-2 punch in the heart of the order. Unfortunately Rivera’s winter ball injury curtailed the giant steps he took that season and rendered him useless in 2007 and mostly a non factor in 2008. Santana also had a breakout season only to somehow lose it all in 2007 then bounce back in 2008. I would also have to say that Napoli was a pleasant surprise that year since he seemed to have came out of nowhere with his power and patience. Izturis was also a postive along with Kendrick and Saunders when they came up.

Disappointments from 2006:

To me Colon was the biggest disappointment in 2006 since he had just come off a CY season, was supposed to be the ace, had the big contract, and teased Halo fans into thinking their “ace” was back with his dominant World Baseball Classic performance. Unfortunately he would get injured once again and arguably would have stayed healthy if he hadn’t pitched in the WBC as if his life and his family’s life depended on his multimillion dollar arm. Jeff Weaver was also another huge bust that brought back memories of Appier’s last season with the Angels in 2003 with his ineffectiveness. Possibly the bitterest pill to swallow though was when he went to the Cardinals later that year and became a WS hero!!!

For offense, Jeff Mathis for me was the biggest disappointment that year. The Angels continuously raved about him with his plus defense and power hitting bat which was supposed to make everyone forget about Bengie Molina. Mathis was supposed to be part of the new generation of home grown prospects that would take the mantle away from a retiring Tim Salmon, an aging Garret Anderson, and an aging, injury prone, and now offensively ineffective Erstad as part of the everyday core for Angels’ teams to come. Everyone knows how that turned out! lol.

Chone Figgins was also a disappointment even though he had many SBs that year. He proved to be ineffective at the lead off spot with a pedestrian .OBP and BA to go along with way too many SOs for a guy with such little power. The greatest damage by far though from Figgins’ poor season was off the field since it led to one of the worst signings in Angels history with HGH. Kotchman was also a disappointment; however, it wasn’t his fault since he had to battle mononucleosis which wiped him out for the year save for a few games and ABs. McPherson once again proved that he was made of glass and confirmed that he could no longer be depended on to become the everyday third basemen.

I am probably missing some surprises and disappointments from 2006, but the point of my long digression is that the Angels should be good in shape for 2006 since there were many positives that came from that season. Plus people seem to forget that the Angels actually won 89 games that year despite the fact that it was a year of transition! If the Angels win 89 games again or even 85, I say they are in the playoffs. I still don’t feel the A’s have the core to win even 84 games and still feel that Texas and their pitching will be a mess. Seattle will be a non factor once again.

by stolenbases on Dec 27, 2008 6:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The good news for 2009

is that the rest of our division sucks so we might still win the division with 85-90 wins. 89 wasn’t good enough in 2006 since the A’s were still good back then.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 27, 2008 10:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think the front office might be aware of this

If the A’s and Rangers were powerhouses this season, we’d almost certainly be getting the Abreus and Dunns of the world. Truth is with our staff, we can probably win the division while letting our young’ns develop on the job which will pay dividends when the As and Rangers ARE powerhouses

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 27, 2008 10:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally disagree that 2009 will be 2006

2006 was indeed a crucial transition year, as we finally mobilized a historic youth movement, suffered through the worst of Scioscia/Stoneman vetruhn-itis, and came out on the other end with a championship-caliber team and blueprint.

The big difference in 2009 is that the guys we plunged in the water back then are now four years older, and entering their primes. Jered Weaver, Mike Napoli, Howie Kendrick, Joe Saunders, Kendry Morales, Erick Aybar … does anyone doubt that these six players will be among the dozen biggest contributors on the team next year? Add in Ervin Santana, Jose Arredondo & others, and you have a young core that you can already count on to play well.

The only Jeff Mathis/Dallas McPherson/Casey Kotchman analogs we have for 2009 are Brandon Wood (if we let him play, which I think we will), and maybe Sean Rodriguez (if some people get hurt/traded) and Nick Adenhart (ditto).

Here, let’s do a direct comparison of the two squads:

Position

by mattwelch on Dec 28, 2008 12:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nevermind, hit the wrong button and now I'm tired

Basically, “Torii Hunter eats Darin Erstad for lunch,” plus “no Jeff Weaver/Fatolo,” and “you wouldn’t really want to bring back Adam Kennedy, now would you?”

by mattwelch on Dec 28, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In some weird way,

I miss Bartolo Colon Clogger. But I understand that he sucks now so it’s all good.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 29, 2008 4:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As the roster is today with no moves/trades/signings/huge surprises

our ceiling is still probably the alds (winning the west). maybe we’ll have some breakouts next year. maybe we’ll make a big move before the season or before the trade deadline. its too hard to tell. i’ll wait for a good prognosis of the upcoming season until at least spring training, and even then it’ll probably still take a good month to figure out where this team is going.

by linkbruin on Dec 27, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

I still think Boston is going to be a good team and will give the Yankees a run for their money.

by stolenbases on Dec 28, 2008 9:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

won't*

not most….god all my typos are not just spelling errors but I type the completely wrong word altogether.

X_X

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 28, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need Manny's bat!

I still say we could use Manny Ramirez’s bat putting him in left or just at DH couldn’t hurt us.
Our offense is definitely going to be hurting next year I still like home runs and doubles more than strike outs. Arredondo I think will be our next K-Rod in my opinion I still don’t believe we turned our back on Manny we are just giving him a message discipline your ass of an agent Boras and we’ll talk. Why else would Scioscia go through the trouble of conversing with Francona about Manny? Why else did Moreno talk highly of him on AM-830?
We were getting ready to set that deal up as plan B if big tex took to wearing red sox or pinstripes. If Boras shuts his mouth Moreno will give Manny his three year deal. Because the bottom line is money and Manny puts butts in the seats and sells merchandise which gives us profit for future growth and money to spend on future players.

by lifeinhalocountry on Dec 29, 2008 6:00 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angels outlook for 2009; uncertain

On the surface it appears as if Reagins message is, “We are done with roster moves”. Is he trying to make the agents sweat? What if a hitter like Dunn or Abreu is still available in February? Will the Angels try to grab a bargain?

"Playoffs?? Don’t talk about — playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!"

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 29, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Supposedly the Dodgers are interested in Dunn and Abreu according to reports

It would seem that they would have too many outfielders still even if they trade Jones. I guess that means they aren’t going to sign Manny

by stolenbases on Dec 29, 2008 7:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boras

apparently started up talks with the Dodgers again and not the other way around. It looks like Boras is getting desperate and the Dodgers have all the leverage.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 30, 2008 11:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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