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According to the Sports Lodge on AM 830 the angels inked Brian Fuentes to be the closer for the Halos. They signed a two year deal with an option year.

What are your thoughts and comments. Depending on the dollars I believe this is a good signing which will allow Shields to stay in the 8th inning role and Dondo to develop a bit more

 

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Gubie was just on discussing it as well

That depressed feeling in my stomach is the end of the 2008 Halos season!!!!

by P237 on Dec 31, 2008 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm no Ninja

But this feels like a poor signing. Unless Dondo or Shields is being packaged up in a trade.

I make money on Survey Savvy

by Jay Cal on Dec 31, 2008 9:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

Our team is built on the strength of our pitching, which includes the pen. Losing Frankie and moving Shields and Dondo up in the ladder decreased our pen depth overall.

Now, Dondo can go 6th and 7th, Shields 8th and Fuentes 9th in a meaningful game when all are rested – that’s filthy. It’ll also allow Scioscia to rest Shields or Dondo, and even Fuentes, to keep them fresh all season rather than burning them out due to a thin pen.

Plus, it’s only a two-year deal. Fuentes had better overall #s than K-Rod in ’08, all the while pitching in Colorado.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 9:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could Be...

my sense is since we have no bats our goal is too outpitch everyone with a solid starting 5 (still need a #5) and a shutdown bullpen…Dont really like the strategy, but who knows…

I still think we need to sign Manram to a two-three year deal….

That depressed feeling in my stomach is the end of the 2008 Halos season!!!!

by P237 on Dec 31, 2008 10:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW.

We agreed to each other’s posts at the same time. Voodoo…

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 10:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm totally OK with Manny

Unfortunately, I believe Angels when they say no chance.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe the Halos are finally playing games with Bor-ASS

trying to drive down the price for Manny…I can still see the Yankes swooping in at the last minute and offering Manram 4yr $100mil

That depressed feeling in my stomach is the end of the 2008 Halos season!!!!

by P237 on Dec 31, 2008 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please Allow Me to Concur

This has been the Angels strategy for some time now.

Now we must all be patient and see what our young talent can do offensively.

Is this a vote of non-confidence in Shields & Dondo?

Seems like a safety move to try and lock up the AL West and that is all.

Man Ram…as much as I would love the guy on the Halos, I don’t see how the Angels can come in and get him at a price the Halos are comfortable with because we all know who is agent is.

And because we are dealing with Scot, I don’t beleive Arte will do anything that will enable Boras to drive up Manny’s price. I don’t think that Arte likes Scot’s negotiating tactics/methods.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could that be your sense because that's ALWAYS our goal?

Trading for Tex was the only thing the Angels have done in this millennium to try and outHIT everyone (okay I guess signing Vlad counts too). I think it’s a good move to sign Fuentes if it’s not our last move. I agree that we still need a big bat. I have an aversion to Pajammy Ramirez, but I’ll take Dunn, or find someone else in a trade.

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

Signing Jose Guillen wasn’t a strong enough offensive upgrade for you? 27 HR, 104 RBI, a line of .294/.352/.497?

Obviously, Guillen’s personality disorder ended his time here, but imagine how 2005 would have turned out with his bat in the lineup (2006 was mostly on the DL).

On the other hand, he was flipped for Izturis and Johnny Rivers, so he paid dividends just the same.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 2:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree...bad signing!

Fuentes couldn’t even hold down the job for Colorado, how the hell is he going to hold down the Angels closer job when there are better internal candidates?

This is a placate the fans move only! At best we just got ourselves another Oliver for probably 2 -3 times the money!

Kotch and Marek for Teixeira...hmmm, what a deal! Or NOT!

by K3YEROUT on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does he need to 'hold down' the closer job here?

He is a good reliever, whether he is the closer or not. I wouldn’t mind seeing Shields, Fuentes, and Dondo all trying to earn closer duties.

As long as they all pitch well, that is great for me. I thought we should have kept KRod, personally, but we needed someone to come in and replace his arm in the pen. Glad it is Fuentes.

by matthiasstephan on Dec 31, 2008 6:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn P237,

you’re good. MLBTR is now reporting the 2 year deal for Fuentes.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank you sir!

Happy New year….

That depressed feeling in my stomach is the end of the 2008 Halos season!!!!

by P237 on Dec 31, 2008 10:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Press Release

Here.

When a team can’t score runs, “shortening the game” will forever be their mantra.

by ReggieBullits on Dec 31, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shortening does not score us runs though!

This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!

by hauldog on Dec 31, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is true, but as the number crunchers of Oakland started to figure out last year...

Sosh’s methodology appears to be one where he leverages the Halos anemic runs per inning over the course of 9 innings, against the opponent’s better runs per inning but over only 5 or 6. Most of the time, the Halos win that challenge.

So it’s like chess. Find a place on board that you can totally control, and use that resource to attack your opponent. Sosh’s spot on the board is ‘bullpen’. Keep that strong, keep that protected, and launch his attacks from there. Reagins just protected Sosh’s primary game plan. Anything he can do now to up the run production is a bonus. (Admittedly, though, Reagins still has to RESTORE the run production that that Halos just lost at 1B.)

by Stirrups on Dec 31, 2008 12:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear what you are saying and I agree

hence all the bunts and productive outs. The AL west is in our sights but the playoffs do not look to be promising

This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!

by hauldog on Dec 31, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

And I spend a lot of time doing thought experiments as to why the Halos appear so easily broken in the playoffs.

Just like I spend a lot of time thinking about pythag normalization for 2009, and the A’s and Rangers rising, and those two factors combining to make it a 3-way race and a not-so-certain division title.

by Stirrups on Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep...

The A’s have great pitching too and Barton could improve and Holliday will hit. They could have a big jump up in the standings.

Jim Scully

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by jimmuscomp on Jan 1, 2009 9:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oakland

Keep in mind, though, that if the As aren’t within striking distance by the trading deadline, Beane will most likely flip Holliday to a contender for whatever he can get. There is no purpose in merely improving to a better record and then losing Holliday to free agency at the end of the season. Unless the As are in a dogfight for 1st in the AL West it figures that Beane will pull the plug and that will be it for the team in 2009. It will be all or nothing for them, and a bad start could doom the team.

by George Kaplan on Jan 1, 2009 9:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Refresh my memory

Who are Oakland’s front five starters?

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 1, 2009 11:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The playoffs are a total crapshoot.

Any team that makes the playoffs has a legitimate shot at a title unlike in other sports. Baseball is weird in that way. Everyone thought the Cubs and Angels would meet in the 2008 Fall Classic but look how that turned out.

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 1, 2009 6:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

most of the time the playoffs anyone can truly win in baseball.

by HALO_86 on Jan 2, 2009 10:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why arent angels in the mix

for dunn, burrell, giambi, abreu, etc

are angels fans sold on morales, matthews, rivera, willits, etc replacing teixiera, anderson, etc?

by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 31, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on anyone yet.

But I think we should see how the Season goes. If Napoli and Morales play the way they did in the playoffs and if Woods and Rivera return to their better forms we might have a spectacular team. And if not, we can always make mid-season adjustments and trades.

I make money on Survey Savvy

by Jay Cal on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont think anyones sold on on anyone

willits wont see the field ever, matthews will only spell guys who need days off and how do we judge morales until he gets a shot?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I honestly don't know

We can get ONE of them for a one-year deal, I bet.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no doubt we could

i still think there’s going to be some sort of trade. that seems to be the route to go now

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are aware that no more moves are pending? Tell us your source! ;)

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Angels do not see any talent out there

that they feel is worth the money & contracts vs. allowing our younger players the chance to finally prove themselves.

It really is that simple & I have to say that I agree. The only bats out there should be signed for a 1 year deal to DH. This allows the younger players the chance to prove/develope themselves and possibly give them a rest now and again. The risk: signing a DH blocks Vlad resting his knees (depending upon how his surgery went.)

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 31, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not sure that is the case ...

they could just be letting the market prices fall some.

There are a lot of bats out there, so no one needs to jump in head first. Test the water and find the best fit.

by matthiasstephan on Dec 31, 2008 6:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some of the Angel fans have patience and can wait until opening day. Can’t make EVERY great move in one step.

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i really like this

if our offense is going to be less than stellar this year, our starters and relievers have to be above average.

some combination of Oliver to Arredondo to Shields to Fuentes sounds awesome to me.

and 2 years! thats great.

Also, Jepsen or Speier or even Shields if they get crazy are all able to be included in a trade package now.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay...I thought this one out...

Orioles get: Maicer Izturis, Kevin Jepsen, Reggie Willits, (maybe one more, such as Shane Loux)
Angels get: Brian Roberts

Angels then flip Roberts/Morales to Cubs for Derrek Lee OR
                          Roberts/Figgins to Cubs for Aramis Ramirez

Comments???

by cmy912 on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd go for Ramirez

but why would we just make it a 3 team trade? that might be easier

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if possible...either way is fine...

I’m with you. I want Ramirez more, but I’d take Lee over Morales

by cmy912 on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

howie stays

roberts gets flipped… didn’t you see that?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha

no worries

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummmm

a utility guy, a fourth or fifth outfielder and a reliever is gonna get you an all star 2b?

by SoCalSoxFan on Dec 31, 2008 4:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like the length

now if we got him for under $10MM/yr, i’ll be stoked.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:17 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It won't be

Kerry Wood got 2-years, $20 mil from Cleveland. Fuentes was better.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

might be $20 mil total

But I don’t imagine any less.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, that's what K-Rod made last year

so i guess if it’s for no more than that, it won’t be too bad

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't get Burrell

Von Hayes Redux

Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.

by PieceOfAase on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like to add...

HE’S A LEFTY!! HE’S A LEFTY!! HE’S A LEFTY!!

by ReggieBullits on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah that's nice

it’s not just Cousin Oliver anymore

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's actually kinda like a trade

We get Fuentes, with his shorter & less-expensive contract, plus we move up eight slots in the first round of the draft. They get K-Rod.

by mattwelch on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya thats great

and the two years is good too.

And Arredondo and Shields are always gonna be there to close if Fuentes stumbles or gets hurt.

I really love our bullpen right now

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

right now, we have Fuentes, Shields, Arredondo, Jepsen, Oliver, and Moseley/Loux?

…that’s nice.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not writing off Speier!

I have heard or read nothing to suggest that 2008 was anything other than a bad year (posts on HH notwithstanding).

Someone tell me if you have heard or read otherwise. Instant gratification demands from unknowing “fans” does nothing to convince me of their insight.

by wumbug on Dec 31, 2008 6:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

the only thing that really bothers me is the loss of velocity. But that is a biggie for a pitcher – especially a pitcher in his mid to late 30’s.

(UPDATE) I went through Pitch F/X data and found Speier’s fastball averaged 90.4 MPH in 2008 – not down significantly from my memory of 2007 – so loss of velocity was not as big a reason for his drop off as I thought.

Question for Matt Welch, Rob, or someone who knows how to manipulate Pitch F/X data better than I do: How can I find Pitch F/X data for 2007? Was it not available yet? I can’t find any and I though that it was available before 2008? Am I crazy?

Jim Scully

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Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jan 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speier

one bad year and your going to run him off.

by HALO_86 on Jan 2, 2009 10:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuentes

i don’t want to discuss if someone gets hurt but if he stumbles then we have a useless arm in the pen. expensive useless arm in the pen. we all get pissed at the fact that we have a 10M OF sitting the bench, imagine a useless arm at 10M on the bench. i hope it works out for all us

by HALO_86 on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn't every team say that?

About every “expensive arm?” What if K-Rod goes down next year. Then the Mets have one. Gimme a break. (Not a real break, a metaphorical break.)

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice signing

Nice signing to strengthen the bullpen. Does anyone know what draft pick the Rockies get from us?

by 310Angel on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This makes this a worse move...

giving up compensation for Brian Fuentes is just a bit too much, IMO. We’ll see, though. He might turn out really, really good…

Jim Scully

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Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Dec 31, 2008 12:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...

….that is unless Fuentes can bat cleanup and hit for power.

by mustard_man on Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we only give up 1 pick

the sup pick is not given out of our pocket

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 31, 2008 5:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

I was unclear. I still like the signing – I just forgot about giving up a pick.

Jim Scully

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Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jan 1, 2009 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So far this off-season we have...

Exercised Options on Vlad and Lackey

Offered arbitration to Oliver

Re-signed Rivera

Signed Fuentes

What’s next?

I make money on Survey Savvy

by Jay Cal on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a trade

for someone…. hopefully a lefty power hitter?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you never know who's available until something happens

but we have a glut of middle infielders: S-Rod, Aybar, Izturis, Figgins
young pitchers: Adenhart, Ortega, O’Sullivan,
bullpen arms: Bulger, Jepsen, Thompson

…there’s pieces.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade

there has to be a big trade coming.

by HALO_86 on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I spent too much time saying that last year.

I’ve used up all of my “there has to be a big trade coming’s”

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry Matt

I don’t think that’s big enough.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Point.

I meant last off-season.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex is overrated

watch, he’ll be restricted to a singles hitter come playoff time

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 31, 2008 5:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait

thats jumping ahead of yourself there. first the Yanks need to make the playoffs. thats not a garantee.

by HALO_86 on Dec 31, 2008 5:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grapes that sour?

Really?

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 5:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say adenhart and maybe figgy has some worth to his name

Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 31, 2008 10:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because plays OF

And with Vlad, Hunter, Rivera and GMJ all under contract, the team doesn’t have a huge need for another expensive OF/DH. Besides which, he is (like Dunn and Burrell) yet another dancing bear in the OF, so it isn’t as if he brings a solid glove in his suitcase.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's extend

Lackey at the minimum.

Hopefully we can at least talk to Padres about Peavy.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next.......A Trade

I think it’s about time the Halos do something different than letting players walk or trying to sign FA’s that really don’t want to be here.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 31, 2008 12:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it will be a trade involving Figgins.

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Figgins has the most value right now that he is likely to ever have again.

He is also the starting position player most likely to decline from his currently achieved value (not that he won’t have a super 2009, but the preceding statement should speak for itself).

Chone won’t get any better as a 3B-man. He won’t magically become a HR hitter. It’s likely that his SBs might decline. Hopefully, his OBP (his biggest asset) will remain the same.

Balance the above facts with the knowledge that 2009 is an arbitration year, and a free agency year. This means we either extend him as a SuperUtility player, let him leave as a Free Agent after 2009, or trade him for something of value before or during the season

?.

by wumbug on Dec 31, 2008 2:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no ?s from me, only nodding in agreement.

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its in flux

right now we have the Yankees’ first rounder and the Mets’

But if the Mets sign Derek Lowe, we get their 2nd rounder.

We also have supplemental picks for both those teams, and eventually a 2nd rounder if Garland ever signs somewhere

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Krod is ranked higher then Lowe

The only free agent the Mets can sign that would make us lose their pick is Manny

Get rid of Quinlan

by edhoo on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have 25, 26, 46ish, 47ish, and 54is (the last when Garland signs somewhere)

Then we’ll have our normal 2nd-round pick, which should clock in somewhere around #84.

by mattwelch on Dec 31, 2008 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We still need a 5th starter

I do NOT want Mosely or Adenhart competing for the job in spring training.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wouldnt be shocked to see garland back on a 1 year deal

if his market bottoms out.

If not, who else? I kinda wish we were interested in Lowe, but thats just me

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowe would be awesome!

it would have to be short term though…. Adenhart and Co. and not far off.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well signing Lowe would definitely make weaver or saunders bona fide trade bait

2010-12 Rotation of Lackey, Lowe, Santana, Adenhart, Weaver/Saunders

Not bad right?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

psh

how about a 2009 rotation of

Lackey
Santana
Lowe
Saunders
Weaver

that’s pretty sick, too :)

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Mulder

I’d like to see the Angels give him a shot on a 1 year deal.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really? Mark Mulder? We're that hard up?

what has he done in the last three years that makes you think he has ANYTHING left in the tank????

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Jan 1, 2009 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His mechanics

We’re pretty screwed up from the moment he left Oakland. Much like Zito. But having worked really hard this offseason to fix his mechanics, he’s quoted as feeling strong, and ESPN reported his health has returned.

I like him for many reasons;
1. He’s a tall lefty much like Chuck Finley. Another lefty would be nice.

2. The work he did while in Oakland is attractive due to the fact that the most recent reports indicate he’s worked on his arm angle and he feels along with a therapy staff and doctors believe he will be able to perform like he did in his prime. (Huge upside). (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://stylemens.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mulder3_1.gif&imgrefurl=http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/sports/index.html&usg=__WybbWFiWCCxncVM9qXhGMW3Savg=&h=396&w=525&sz=1878&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=u0VwUiO1OrzTHM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=132&prev=/images3Fq3Dmark2Bmulder2Bmechanics2Bvideo26um3D126hl%3Den) It’s a ways down the page, but interesting.

3. He’s only going to want a 1 year deal, for little or nothing w/ incentives there is relatively no risk here, but the reward could be amazing. (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=mlb&id=2950)

by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 10:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derek Lowe

BTW, shouldn’t the Angels try to get Derek Lowe as the fifth starter as the Mets are only offering $36 million for 3 years?

by Kristy_Joe on Dec 31, 2008 10:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he's not taking it

He wants four years and more money. While he may not get that fourth year due to this down market, he should be able to get more than $12 mil per year.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather try

Sheets. We already lost our 1st rounder. The picks we acquired via our FAs can’t be touched. Why not spend a second rounder on Sheets. He is a little prone to injury but the pay off could be huge.

He won’t cost the players Peavy would, and probably could be signed for reasonably cheap.

by krush40 on Dec 31, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sheets

I totally agree with taking a risk on Sheets. The payoff could be huge. I actually think he has better ‘stuff’ than Lackey.

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Dec 31, 2008 11:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't agree at all

the guy has an arm/elbow injury every year…besides, we need more hitting not pitching.

I don’t think Sheets is worth the gamble at all and I don’t think it is a surprise that he hasn’t signed anywhere yet.

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Dec 31, 2008 5:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree 100%

Sheets STARTED the All-Star game last year. STARTED!!!

I’ll take the injury worry since we have Moseley, Adenhart or possibly Escobar (2nd half of 09) to make spot starts. When will you ever see an All-Star starting pitcher fly under the radar the following off-season? The only reason he’s not signed yet is his 2nd half injury killed his off-season value. I say take advantage while we can because someone is about to and all signs point to our rivals in Texas going after him if we don’t.

by halo nation on Dec 31, 2008 7:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree.

But the price has to be right.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 1, 2009 12:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep...

He is a stud and could be had for relatively cheap…

I’d go to 2 years to get him if healthy.

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by jimmuscomp on Jan 1, 2009 9:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup....until...

his typical second half arm injury rendered him absolutely worthless come playoff time…

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Jan 1, 2009 9:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But which Sheets will the team get?

The one which averaged 34 starts in 2002-2004?

Or the one which managed only 22 starts in 2005, 17 in 2006 and 24 in 2007?

He had a phenomenal year in 2004 playing for a mediocre team, but hasn’t reached that level since then. If he’s a bargain—by that, I mean a deal which is 1-2 years and heavily influenced with incentives in lieu of big salary—then I am all for it. But if he’s expecting to reap the sort of payday that a healthy pitcher like Lowe, then I propose that he become a problem for the Texas Rangers to pay for.

My expectations of Sheets are not that high, even recognizing the potential upside. That’s the problem—if he keeps suffering injuries, then it is just potential.

by George Kaplan on Jan 1, 2009 10:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait

your just answered your own post. you said, “The only reason he’s not signed yet is his 2nd half injury killed his off-season value.” injuries that keep happening to him. you guys in here want to run Howie off the team for his injuries but you want a injuried arm to join the staff?

by HALO_86 on Jan 2, 2009 10:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuentes salary

Last year was $5.5 million. Let’s see.. I got a 5.3% raise in my social security check, while many were laid off. So how much does a 33 year old closer get? My son, who also works for the federal government got a 4.3% raise.. So if Fuentes gets a 10% raise he’d get say 7 million next year and perhaps another 8 million after that. Bringinging the contract to a value of around + or -15 million.

by Kristy_Joe on Dec 31, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't work that way, bro.

Did you notice the raise Teixeira got? A wee bit more than federal employees.

by ZIM on Dec 31, 2008 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Kristy Joe is a bro, dude

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Jan 1, 2009 9:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BUT..

Fuentes was pitching in the NL…

by ZIM on Dec 31, 2008 10:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe so

But he was also pitching in Coors Field, which is kinda like pitching in the AL

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Dec 31, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not every outing at Coors, though.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m thrilled. The AL is just tougher on pitchers. I think he’ll be very comfortable back home in Cali.

by ZIM on Dec 31, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya

remember closers dont face pitchers though. I know some people here seem to think NL pitchers are ONLY effective because they go against pitchers.

Closers are getting the best of whatevers left at the end of games, for whatever thats worth

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point.

You beat me to it, howie2.0. NL teams in general try to stock better pinch hitters with the bottom of the 9th inning in mind. Plus, he wasn’t always facing the 7, 8, 9 batters anyway. A lot of those NL teams have even scarier 3, 4, 5 hitters than AL teams, i.e. the Phillies.

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Dec 31, 2008 2:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nation League Closers

Don’t face the opposing teams pitcher, they face pinch hitters. Fuentes is going to be just fine for the Angels.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and opponents OBP

was just .277 against Fuentes as opposed to .318 against K-Rod.

K-Rod essentially turned every hitter he faced into GA.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not GA

GA didn’t take a walk, and Frankie handed them out like Halloween candy.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 2:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GA's OBP

always hovers around .318.

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 1, 2009 2:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

quite possibly the best part for me

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 31, 2008 12:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, sweet comfort!

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOORING!!!!

; )

If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.

by TheTypingFiend on Dec 31, 2008 3:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YA

ESPN has it at 2 years/17.5 million

less than 9 mil a year is nice

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:50 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW!

Steal. Maybe Lowe WILL have to settle for three years, $36 mil. Let’s do it.

by Sethy on Dec 31, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great news on the price!!

$8.5MM in ’09
$9MM in 2010
$9MM vesting option for 2011

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:52 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very very good

now we have experience in the closer role for a very fair contract! and it leaves money out there for another signing or some extensions.

If we’re going with the kids, we needed to have lights out pitching to be a competitive team. Nice move by Tony. Signing a 5th starter also frees up a lot of avenues for a trade now too

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally agreed

but who can we sign for cheap and 1 year?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Mulder

I posted this a few threads ago but;

Sign Mark Mulder for the 5th spot in the rotation. The most recent reports on ESPN is that he’s healthy and has figured out the delivery issue. Angel pitching coach Mike Butcher has done a solid job cleaning up pitchers mechanics the past two seasons and I think he’d work well with Mulder. Back in Oakland, he wasn’t the ace (Hudson and Zito)… the big three. In St. Louis, he was asked to lead a rotation due to the injuries to Carpenter and Wainwright. Maybe he’s the kind of guy who needs more around him, which we obviously do. He’s likely low cost too and that’s a plus.I was thinking 1year for $1M-$2M base filled with incentives.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So quick to bag on someone. His mechanics...

We’re pretty screwed up from the moment he left Oakland. Much like Zito. But having worked really hard this offseason to fix his mechanics, he’s quoted as feeling strong, and ESPN reported his health has returned.

I like him for many reasons;
1. He’s a tall lefty much like Chuck Finley. Another lefty would be nice.

2. The work he did while in Oakland is attractive due to the fact that the most recent reports indicate he’s worked on his arm angle and he feels along with a therapy staff and doctors believe he will be able to perform like he did in his prime. (Huge upside). (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://stylemens.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mulder3_1.gif&imgrefurl=http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/sports/index.html&usg=__WybbWFiWCCxncVM9qXhGMW3Savg=&h=396&w=525&sz=1878&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=u0VwUiO1OrzTHM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=132&prev=/images3Fq3Dmark2Bmulder2Bmechanics2Bvideo26um3D126hl%3Den) It’s a ways down the page, but interesting.

3. He’s only going to want a 1 year deal, for little or nothing w/ incentives there is relatively no risk here, but the reward could be amazing. (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=mlb&id=2950)

by matt92130 on Jan 2, 2009 9:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, but some caveats apply, no?

If he is back to some sort of usable ability level – then, by all means sign him up to a minor league deal and see what shakes out in Arizona. However, the last three years have done nothing to prove to me that he is a serviceable MLB pitcher anymore. I don’t care what the doctors he has on payroll say about his ability to return to prime form (as a 31 year old) let’s see what he has done recently when facing live hitting…

In 2006 he threw 93 major league innings and had an ERA over 7…

In 2007 he threw 11 major league innings with an ERA over 12. In those 11 innings he gave up 22 hits and 7 walks. His WHIP was 2.7!!!

In 2008 he threw 1.2 major league innings with an ERA over 10. Yep, 1.2 innings. He got five outs.

He only threw about 35 total innings last year at 4 levels.

The dude looks done to me, but if he is healthy, give him a non-guaranteed deal with a NRI to spring training and see what he looks like against hitters, but anything guaranteed is foolish IMO.

Mulder’s Recent Stats

Jim Scully

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by jimmuscomp on Jan 2, 2009 9:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed in part...

If he’d take a spring training invitation, great! But if a $1M dollar salary for 1 year is what it would take to bring him in, I do it. That’s an extremely low risj, high reward contract IMO.

by matt92130 on Jan 2, 2009 9:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he gets guaranteed money...

I’d be surprised. I really think he is in NRI territory until he proves he is healthy.

Jim Scully

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Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jan 3, 2009 12:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 million is a ton of money for me

Not for baseball. Worth the risk. Arte probably wipes his ass with hundreds.

by matt92130 on Jan 3, 2009 12:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just scoff at this mindset.

1 Million is 1 Million – Arte didn’t get wealthy by throwing money at mediocrities like Mulder. We can agree to disagree here…

Jim Scully

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Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jan 3, 2009 5:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really

that doesn’t sound bad for a solid arm like Fuentes. hopefully he’s solid for us

by HALO_86 on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's get Lowe baby!

We’re on fire right now!

Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 31, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a feeling

Lowe will sign with the New York September Meltdowners.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 11:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha we should sign him just to keep our 2 first round draft picks we have left

us signing lowe would only piss off colorado because the dodgers would get our first rounder instead

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 September meltdown does not a choke-artist make

2007 was the epic collapse.

2008 was 4 months of playing from behind falling short because a shitty manager dug a deep hole in the first two months.

I’m so sick of the ESPN/Cole Hamels/overstatement 24-hour-news-cycle-to-fill bullshit about the Mets choking this year. They had to overcome a freakin’ 7 1/2 game deficit to try to catch Philly, and were never in first place in the Wild Card until the last weeks of the season. The REAL story, to anyone who actually watched what happened, was that Milwaukee almost had an extremely epic, horrid choke job to hand the Mets the wild card, and barely found their feet enough at the end to hold on to it.

As a part-time Mets fan, it gets really tiring to hear this bullshit repeated so that people can try to make it fact-through-repetition. Sorry bro.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 31, 2008 11:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They DID blow

their playoff chances on the last day of the season 2 years in a row to the Florida Marlins. Those games were in September. Last year, they went 7-10 in their final 17 games. It was a September meltdown even if it wasn’t as bad as 2007.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 12:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So losing one game

against a pretty decent opponent now makes someone a choker, regardless of whether or not any actual ‘blowing’ happened in the game?

There was no fucking choke. Period. They played their asses off under Manuel to struggle all the way back from NOTHING. They were dead to the world, and surged back into contention and fell short…and the Brewers largely won their last game because the Cubs marched out mostly second-string bench players for the day.

It was not a choke. Not to anyone who knows how to use the word properly, or to anyone outside of Bristol, CN. To insist otherwise is to be without a clue at all…losing on the last day of the season to fall out of contention that you had to play your ass off of to get back into isn’t fucking choking. It’s losing a game that, by all rights, should have been meaningless to begin with if you hadn’t played that far to get there.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since when was Bristol relocated to China? ESPN is out-sourcing labor, too?

Connecticut is CT, bro. “Part-time” Mets fan? C’mon, either be one or don’t be one.

;)

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just looking at your avitar reminds me

Around the time the Rams were getting ready to leave Anaheim I saw bumper stickers that read:

Go Rams! And take the Angels with you!

Pretty funny stuff

by MidwayCityLivestock on Dec 31, 2008 2:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember those, too...

I saw a BILLBOARD near Diamond Bar that said that same slogan.

by Downing Rules on Dec 31, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I knew it was CT, too

when I’m angry, I type poorly. And by angry, I mean annoyed. And by annoyed I mean indifferent.

I’m a full-time Mets fan…that was meant more as “part-time Mets defender,” since it’s too exhausting a job to do full time.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 31, 2008 4:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New York Melts! I love it!

Never heard that one.

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Dec 31, 2008 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowe

Will be 36 in June. He’s asking for 3 years, which would make him 39 years old at the end of his contract. He’s also asking for $75 million or Manny money.

So he’s got to get real. Sure he put up somewhat of a good year last year, but so did Zito. He was also a closer with Boston for 4 years and they let him go at age 31, figuring he’d peaked after he’d pitched his 2 phenom years after that. So is he worth 3 years and Manny money? I think he’ll be waiting a while until his fat head shrinks a bit.

by Kristy_Joe on Dec 31, 2008 11:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want Lowe

…but don’t let the fact that Boston let him go play into your thinking. They let Clemens go when they thought HE was too old.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

But look at Clemens’ roid bod and his workout regimen. Does Lowe do the grueling workout? I doubt it. He sure doesn’t do the HGH now.

by Kristy_Joe on Dec 31, 2008 11:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh

75 million i believe is when he was asking for 5 years. Not 3 years, 75 million. Pretty sure Derek Lowe wasnt trying to get more money per year than Sabathia and Johan.

“Manny money” im assuming you mean is 25 million a year? Yea, Lowe probably never pictured himself getting more than 16 or 17 in a GOOD economy, much less this one.

Lowe will get 13 or 14 million a year. the 39 thing doesnt worry me. He’s a sinker baller who pitches to contact, eats innings, and is nails in the post season. Bringing up barry zito’s name was a joke.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 11:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

joke

no joke to an owner shelling out the dough. A 42 year old pitcher? He’s not a knuckle baller. Yes Manny money – $75 million out of pocket is just like GMJ money, looks good on the outside, but wait till the package arrives. Same with Hunter. Pay $90 million and get short changed in the first year from what I read about $5.6 million in his performance.

So the Angels are burned from these huge deals and are shell shocked. So $14 for Rivera and $17 for Fuentes is in the ballpark. But beyond that fagetaboutit.

by Kristy_Joe on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not "Manny money" Lowe is supposedly seeking...

It’s “Zito money”, which is approx $18M/yr over 5 years.

Quick: What do Lowe, Zito and Manny all have in common?

Yes, the same blowhard who promotes his clients as being ridiculously valuable.

The point is, no way Lowe is worth that kind of coin five seasons from now. He’s get it if he was 28 or even 32, but not at age 35.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we get a SP

take a calculated gamble on Sheets and sign him an incentive laden deal.

by mustard_man on Dec 31, 2008 1:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben Sheets

I don’t think he’d take an incentive laden deal. The guy is uber talented, w/ a bit of an unjury problem. I can see him getting Burnett money, but not more. Hardly an incentive contract.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 10:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"A bit of an injury problem"??

I’ve had Sheets on my fantasy team so maybe that’s why I wouldn’t classify what he has as “a bit of an injury problem.” Don’t misunderstand…I’m all for signing him. But if he can get a multi-year without incentives, vaya con dios, Ben.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 1, 2009 12:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy hell

If we could get Ben Sheets for $5M-$8M w/ incentives, I’m onboard. I just think he’ll get guaranteed money elsewhere. Wasn’t the word around the winter meetings that the Braves or Rangers were very interested in him? The Rangers are in a tough spot… they really need him and will probably offer guaranteed dough. He had a bit of a rough stretch from 05-07 and he never made it over 157 innings, which isn’t God awful… but I just think the Rangers need him more.

I’d rather go with a cheaper option in Mark Mulder, plus being another lefty. They say he’s 100% healthy….

by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 5:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great news!

While most of us still think an extra bat is vital to this team, the Fuentes signing gives us the best bullpen in baseball. I’ve liked Fuentes for a long time and am one of those who think that bad stretch where he lost the closer job was just that…a bad stretch. But with the reduced pressure of such a great pen, I think he’ll be a huge addition to this team.

We’ve definitely got what we need to make the postseason. After that…who knows?

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely the postseason?

I like this signing a lot, but it definitely doesn’t guarantee we make the postseason. We still need another power bat and a 5th starter. We have major questions at SS and 3B as well.

I give us a 65% chance to win the West if we stay where we are and don’t make any trades. If we signed Manny I would put our shot at 99%. I also feel it would make us the favorite for the WS.

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Dec 31, 2008 11:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

65%???

Heh. Okay. A’s fan much?

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey dont question his math man

he also said everyone who thinks howie kendrick could hit .330 knows nothing about baseball.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 11:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But I'm a math teacher!

Still…if I’d known it was the same dude, I would’ve kept quiet. No point in arguing with that kind of logic.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Manny

Not now. Not ever. The man carries far too much downside as a one-tool player to warrant investing that much money and attention upon him.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the same people that think

we’re trading for Adrian Gonzalez and Peavy

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that Reggie Willits...

is the magic key which unlocks the blockbuster trade.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha!

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, okay, okay.

Gotcha. I never read anywhere that Towers said he was not going to trade Gonzalez. Just never saw the report, Jesus. I don’t believe anyone on here believes Reggie Willits is the key to any trade. But it is my opinion that if the Padres had Willits, they would likely start him and possibly bat him leadoff and better utilize Giles in the 2 hole. I’m not asking you to like Willits but Jesus; recognize his skills as a ball player are better suited in the NL batting 1st or 9th… or a 4th or 5th OF in the AL. His 162 game averages is a .273BA, .379OBP, 22 steals, 67 walks, and 78 K’s. He’ll never be a run producer, but over those same 162 games, he’s averaged 70 runs. Not terrible for a 9 hole guy. Maybe he’d flourish in the NL, who knows. People please, stop bashing Reggie Willits as if you ever had anywhere near the skills he has.

If anyone else has something remotely intelligent, interesting… please bring it to the table instead of knocking people and their opinions. Get off the high horse… it’s ignorant.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 10:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Batting 9th?!?

But it is my opinion that if the Padres had Willits, they would likely start him and possibly bat him leadoff and better utilize Giles in the 2 hole. I’m not asking you to like Willits but Jesus; recognize his skills as a ball player are better suited in the NL batting 1st or 9th… or a 4th or 5th OF in the AL.

So the Padres should trade for Willits and then have the pitcher hit in front of him in the 8th slot? It is mysterious they haven’t demanded the Angels trade them Willits with this plan suddenly revealed.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clever guy....

I would hope you would known what I meant. But to clarify, I meant batting 8th.

I’m sorry, you must be the guy with all the insight…. riiiiiiiiight.

by matt92130 on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Relax

It was a joke, but it does highlight how Willits’ value is being oversold here. He had a nice season in 2007 (if you overlook his hapless performance attempting to play in Fenway), but was underwhelming in 2008. I’ll win the Lotto before he pops one out, and his offensive game is best described as fouling off a lot of pitches and hoping to score a walk.

Rickey Henderson was a hitter. Vince Coleman was a hitter. Reggie Willits isn’t a hitter, and unless he becomes one he won’t be leading off for any team in either league as the result of a trade.

Willits is a Player to be Named Later. He isn’t the player whose inclusion makes the difference between a deal closing or being rejected. It simply amuses the hell out of me how many people think the GMs on other teams are hopeful Willits will be a part of the deal.

by George Kaplan on Jan 1, 2009 10:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree in part

Reggie will never be a centerpiece of any deal. But he is a nice extra in a deal. For what he brings to a club. A decent OF. Very good speed. Plays the game hard, and the right way. Probably would have gotten the bunt down that Aybar missed. Imagine if they pinch ran Sean Rod for Morales. Good speed too. Bat Willits for Aybar. Bunt gets down, maybe the Angels win.

by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jesus
Jesus; recognize his skills as a ball player are better suited in the NL batting 1st or 9th… or a 4th or 5th OF in the AL.

Actually, I’m a big fan. I think he could hit 3rd or 4th and play an amazing outfield.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 1, 2009 1:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahaha

you win.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 1, 2009 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ignorant?

it’s teh internetz, d00d.

relax.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 1, 2009 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I take things personally some time....

“That’s how I roll.”

-Jack Black in Anchorman-

by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 10:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotcha though...

My New Years Resolution…. relax a little. Sorry folks. I get tense with this Angel baseball business.

by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats why i put Gonzalez in there

i think we have a legit shot at peavy, too

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peavy

I said when his name first came up that Kendrick and Weaver for Peavy would be a good start. The Angels would miss Howie (and I still have my Howie home jersey in my collection), but with Wood, Figgins, Aybar and Izturis, they have the pieces to fill 2B, 3B and SS. Weaver, a fly ball pitcher, would seem ideal for Petco. Two quality, young players with tons of upside.

But Weaver is approaching his arbitration year in 2010, and the Pads would prefer a player much more affordable than that.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5th starter?

Trading Weaver or Saunders for Peavy justs costs us 15M a year more and still not having solved our 5th starter problem…

by lackey41 on Dec 31, 2008 5:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cubs downgraded

from Kerry Wood to Kevin Gregg and from Mark DeRosa to Aaron Miles. This could be a salary dump to make room for Milton Bradley and Peavy.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 12:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marmol closes

This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!

by hauldog on Dec 31, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

But I’m just saying. Wood > Gregg.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 9:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Kindred Spirit!

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 11:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget

that the Mets have K-Rod and J.J. Putz. I heard they are also interested in Will Ohman. We tried to expand the Teixeira trade at the deadline and get Atlanta to throw in Ohman as well but that didn’t work out.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 31, 2008 11:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like it

it maintains our winning philosophy of strong starting pitching and a deep bullpen

by UCIHalo on Dec 31, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone Who Voluntarily Signs With the Angels?

I like this move and I like the price most of all. A good call by NInja, the bullpen maintains the versatility of having Shields and Dondo available before the 9th.

by Kernel on Dec 31, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is nothing but great news

Keep in mind that Fuentes posted very good numbers while pitching roughly half his games in Coors. He is absolutely nasty against LH hitters as well, which can mean some key matchups in the stretch.

A very good, cost-effective pickup. We’ll see at the end of 2010 whether the Mets or the Angels got more from their post-2008 signings.

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i love that he's a lefty

it will let scoscia get creative at the end of games if we have some more dangerous matchups in the 8th or maybe even 7th.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 31, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Did I just agree with ‘ihearhowie2.0’???

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Dec 31, 2008 11:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angels vs. Mets...

When you look at these two pitchers, I have to give the edge to the Angels in this signing. We add another lefty to the pen and even though we will use Fuentes as our primary closer, he gives us more flexibility than K-Rod. If we get into a tight spot against a lefty, we can use Fuentes earlier and use Dondo or Shields to close.

Also, don’t forget about Speier… our bullpen is awesome!!!

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Dec 31, 2008 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh crap

i completely forgot about Speier.
if he can regain 2007 form, look out!

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 31, 2008 11:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Tex went to the dark side.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 31, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 31, 2008 12:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice one...

His Governator impression was hilarious though…

by lackey41 on Dec 31, 2008 5:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speier

The best possible outcome from all of this would be Speier figuring out his problems with consistency and regaining the form of 2007. At the worst he would be an excellent arm out of the pen, at best a trade chip with real value (signed reasonably affordably through 2010).

by George Kaplan on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?

This signing is a “who cares” moment in an otherwise uninspired off-season for the Halos.

by mustard_man on Dec 31, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need a solid bullpen to be competitive

if we did not sign anyone to help, and Dondo or Shields faulters (as shields often does post all-star break) we al of a sudden have a huge weakness.

Then you hear cries of “WHY DIDN’T WE SIGN BULLPEN HELP OMG!”

This is a very very good signing.

Take a look at this away splits:

In 32 away games:

-1.84 ERA
-14/16 SV/SVO
-34 Strikeouts
-Only ONE Homerun given up

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's All About Winning the AL West

of course, you can’t win the WS unless you win your division (or steal a wildcard spot).

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 31, 2008 12:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw the Away games.

He had a 2.73 ERA, and that was with 35 home games in COORS, fer heaven’s sake!

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

especially if we can’t get a clean-up hitter. We’ll need an awesome pitching corps to secure the plethora of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games we’ll need to win.

by mustard_man on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YAWN

He does not score runs.

This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!

by hauldog on Dec 31, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good price point though

This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!

by hauldog on Dec 31, 2008 12:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So I wonder what his Nickname will be

any thoughts???

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally we get to the important stuff!

Brian Fuentes isn’t an easy one, but rest assured Hud will be calling him “Bry Guy” and saying “Fuentes is en fuego!!”

by Higz on Dec 31, 2008 1:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's got SKILLS, Phys!

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM PST