K-Rod to the Mets for 3/$37 mil Likely...
According to ESPN, it's almost a done deal. That's a little more than the 2 years, $24 mil that the Ninja offered.
If that's the best he can do, there must have been a LOT of animosity between Frankie and the Angels.
This is good because:
1) Our hearts won't have to deal with his circus-like ability to almost blow a save 80% of his apperances.
2) It saves the team more cash to pursue a guy who plays every day and is steady (hint, hint).
3) He's in the NL East, so the Angels will face him every 3-4 years - unless they meet in the Word Series (sorry, I'm trying not to laugh).
Good luck, Good bye and Good riddance...
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i thought we had offered
him 3 yr at $36 Mill….see ya jackass
That depressed feeling in my stomach is the end of the 2008 Halos season!!!!
by P237 on Dec 9, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think
it was $34 mil
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I remember
I hope he finds the extra $3 sufficient compensation for the consequences of playing in NY.
It is too bad that he won’t be our Trevor Hoffman, a fixture for a generation and certain to go to the HOF as an Angel.
But, we’ll always have 2002. Despite the occasional anguish, it’s been fun to watch him pitch here for the past 7 seasons.
Good luck, Frankie.
I hold no animosity towards him.
by jjackflash on Dec 9, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It will just pay for his Agent Fee
"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"
by Hapyorange on Dec 9, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a 14MM option for a 4th year though.
which was probably the sticking point.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was lucky
When it came down to it, he had ONE team that was interested in signing him. He’s very lucky that his contract didn’t come out at do 2 years and $20 million or less.
by HungryHunter on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think our offer was 34 over 3
I bet he is glad he held out for that extra 4 million.
At the end of the day he has given up two game winning homeruns in the last two years. I am sad to see him go, but from a financial perspective I am not sure he is the guy I want to spend 12.3 mil a year on.
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my feelings, too
He was very good in the regular season. In the postseason, he often left things up … to the hitters.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 9, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My cardiologist is happy now
Sure hope Frankie enjoys the NY media everytime he does not have a clean save.
by SoCalWine on Dec 9, 2008 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
amen to that brotha haha
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 9, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Who closes? I’m definitely not jumping up and down now that he’s gone. This hurts our pen’s depth, and don’t tell me that Jepsen or Bulger can just jump in and we’ll be fine. I’m not sad, because Frankie made it easy for me to not like him, but I am worried about our pen moving forward. If we don’t get any offense this off-season, it’ll more more 1-2 run games for us to get through.
by Sethy on Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
later frankie
way to ride that market to an extra 2 million, ass.
GIVE ME THEM METS DRAFT PICKS MKAY
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 9, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's DONE!!!!!!!!
It’s a done deal as of 2 :31 pm. We get the 25th overall and a supplemental
"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"
by Hapyorange on Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Caveat
If the Mets also sign a higher-ranked Type A free agent then the Angels get the Mets’ second-round pick instead.
by Eric Simon on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"
by Hapyorange on Dec 9, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Keith Law's Blog
“If the Mets sign Lowe, the Angels will still receive the Mets’ first-round pick and the Dodgers will receive the Mets’ second-round pick”
A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.
by ClutchHomer on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this offseason is not going as planned
red sox mentioned as frontrunners for teixiera
peavy cubs
cc mentioned w/ yankees, dodgers, giants
who’s left? dunn/burrell to anaheim?
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah-- well...
I’m not convinced that Teixera is going anywhere else. And I think it would be a bad move to look up that much money in CC Sabathia. Maybe I’m naieve, but I’m assuming on this winter-league postering doesn’t mean squat. There is talent that needs to be signed and deals aren’t done, until they’re done.
Peavy to the Cubs, Tex to the Red Sox, Sabathia to the Dodgers — I’ll believe it when I see it.
by Jay Cal on Dec 9, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or CC to the Giants.
and Dunn to the Nats. I’ll believe all that when i see it too.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 9, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
both those gm's are crazy
and are willing to overpay…anything wouldnt surprise me
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 9, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An A's fan talking about money is a joke
Your tightwad owner has you brainwashed – these are ordinary salaries… wake up!
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say that?
Until they sign elsewhere it is all just a game.
by HungryHunter on Dec 9, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's a loooong way
from 75 for 5, ain’t it?
As a matter of fact, I would say (given the way LT contracts are structured) he got about 60% of what his ass asked for, and after he blows it in NY under pressure and the fans slam his every appearance, he wont get squat for years 4 & 5.
I say “G’day Sir – the door is over there, and, welcome to the #7 train”
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 9, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i guess some people like 3 mil
to play for a crappy team.
by lilbobdog on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't let the door hit you on the way out
it just became painfully obvious that he couldn’t care less about staying here, no matter what we offered. to leave the Halos over $3MM is ridiculous… if he really did want to return and stay an Angel like he said, $3MM wouldn’t have pried him away.
see ya, BB-Rod. Let’s see what happens to you in NY.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the JD Drew HR in the ALDS
cost Frankie a total of $20 million:
Current deal is 3 @ 12 + 1 million bonus = 37
He would have gotten a 4 year deal at $14 + 1 million bonus = 57
Frankie was one of the all time Angel greats and people are being unduly harsh.
We simply do NOT win the World Series with Al Levine relieving in the 2002 postseason.
We do NOT make the playoffs in 2004 without Frankie covering for an injured Troy Percival midseason.
We do NOT go as far as we did in 2005 either without Frankie.
Oh boo-hoo he put a runner on it he 9th and made you watch 5 extra minutes of baseball every few days the past two seasons – lay off, the guy was a stud and we WILL miss him MANY times over the next few seasons.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
my gripe isn't so much the small inconsistencies
it’s the money. he clearly didn’t care that much about staying an Angel. he obviously wanted to go to NY the entire time, so to stand there and say that he hoped to stay in Anaheim was a load of crap.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 9, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with all you've said regarding KROD,
however, I simply have a gut feeling that this is the right time for him to leave. The comfort and love just wasn’t there anymore……and one day, his arm really will fall off. $12MM or $15MM per year is just too much to gamble on that possibility when we have Arredondo ready and willing (I think Shields ultimately stays as the setup man.)
The 2 draft picks are nice. The $10MM salary subtraction will fit their calculations nicely…………-Garland and -KROD = $22MM subtracted from last year’s payroll.
There are still others we may pick up: Fuentes, Cordero, Peavy, the Japanese guy, or nada……………I don’t think Moreno and company are going to spend the money for the years necessary to get Sabathia.
by wumbug on Dec 9, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
When (or if…) he gets to the Hall I’m sure he’ll be wearing a halos cap.
No doubt he is a great pitcher and helped us win a heck of a lot of games during his tenure here. A change of scene and some extra cash. How can I blame him?
Question now: whose closing? Anyone think Dondo is going to be able to hold down a closing spot? Lets hope.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 9, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not . . .
take a flyer on Chad Cordero?
The kid is a local boy, who has said he would like to play for Anaheim. He will come cheap since he’s coming off injury and in a bloated closer market. Give him 2/10 with a 3rd yr option.
Nothing is invested. Let the kids (dondo, bulger, jepson) get a little more comfortable at the ML level. If he does not bounce back, we are in the same spot we were before.
Low risk/decent reward situation.
by krush40 on Dec 9, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on taking "a flyer on Chad Cordero"
but I would put him in the 7th inning role behind Shields & Dondo till he proves he’s fully recovered (velocity & control).
by Seik1177 on Dec 9, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$5M a year is not a flyer for a guy recovering from labrum surgery
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Dec 9, 2008 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
a flyer would be like a 1 year, $2MM deal with incentives… kinda like what Oliver’s was when he came here.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of what you write may be true...
However, he’s a prancing, preening, f***.
His velocity is down significantly; he lost 3-4 mph off of his fastball during what should be his prime years.
He’s been a solid regular season closer but, other than ’02, has been unreliable in the playoffs.
His unrealistic (proven by the contract he is about to sign) salary demands were a distraction EVERY season for the last three.
Arredondo has BETTER STUFF…throws harder and his out pitch is way more controllable. He may not be ready next year, but he’ll end up being every bit the closer that KROD was.
Oh, and don’t forget, KROD’s entire act, from the bullpen to the final out, is the most obnoxious we’ve ever seen. It simply is not Angel baseball.
I’ve never been happier to see a formidable Angel depart. I can’t wait to watch him fail next season. And, yes, he’s going to…big time. Think about it; the only team willing to sign him is the team most desperate and the team wholly unable evaluate bullpen talent.
Adios to you and your grandfather.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is Dondo's out pitch?
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 9, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Devastating Split...
One of the best in the Majors already.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! F***!
Bring back Joe Grahe and De Wayne Buice!
by XYZ123 on Dec 9, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Distraction?
Oh yeah such a distraction as we won 89, 94 and 100 games.
Oh and that preening last season made him blow less than 10 saves, damn that preening.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to preen about this: The Angels won 194 games over the course of 2007 and 2008.
The Mariners won 193 games over the course of THREE seasons (2004, 2005, and 2008).
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blowing less than 10 saves
is hardly a stat you want to emphasize when you’re trying to talk someone up. K-Rod was good, but the stats and scouts say his stuff is going downhill, and the shaky results bear that out. Everyone who loves to tout his 62 saves forget that he also blew 7, which was among the higher totals in baseball.
As for his attitude, I guess it didn’t keep the Angels from winning, but it certainly couldn’t have helped. Everything points to his being a pretty big a-hole.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
downhill
two steps down from the top of Mount Everest still affords one a great view from the top of the world.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the site and thank you for putting it together...
but, please. “Mount Everest?”
Even in his record-setting season he wasn’t the best closer in the game. He was already two steps (at least) below “Mount Everest” (Mariano Duncan, who can actually throw two innings when needed) before his recent decline. He’s more like Mt. Whitney…impressive but hardly world-class.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SHIT! Mariano Duncan can throw two innings when needed?
Daaaaammmmmn! He played mainly infield and now must be about 45 years old. And he hasn’t played in over 10 years. Quick! Gimme Brian Downing’s number!
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That’s a damned funny brain fart!
I think the last anyone saw of him, he was throwing bats and cracking heads.
Suddenly, I’m like my grandfather was…butchering names left and right.
Okay, I admit, KROD is a better closer than Mariano Duncan!
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has never been the best closer in the game
And last season he was barely top five. Rivera (or Duncan, if you prefer), Papelbon, Lidge, Nathan were all better. Heck, Lidge may have saved 65 or 66 if he was with the Angels.
K-Rod is still very good, and I think he will be for maybe another year or two. But he’s on his way down. Mt. Everest is stretching it a little bit.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Frankie benefited from having a huge number of save opportunities, perhaps more than any other closer in baseball.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see the points you're picking on...
but I suppose you’re ceding the points about how his velocity is declining (along with his K rate) and that he’s been largely ineffective in the playoffs (he was amazing in ‘02, I’ll give you that).
As to the distraction, it’s pretty obvious now (by accepting a deal that, for all intents and purposes, was nearly identical to that which he declined from the Halos) that there was ill-will between him and the team, which IS a distraction and rarely stays inside the walls of the front office. Maybe if KROD isn’t such a self-absorbed prima donna, he pitches better in the postseason. Just a thought.
He’s overrated, he’s on the decline, and he was overpriced.
Incidentally, your boy blew more saves than the truly elite closers in the game, so his BS numbers (no pun intended) aren’t really a convincing argument.
Fact remains that the guy’s been pretty awful in the playoffs and pretty awful against the Angels’ chief rival (the Boston Rub Cox).
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One more point about Frankie
People tend to forget that he also blew games in the 2002 postseason:
ALDS Game 2: surrendered a two-run jack to Alfonso Soriano to give the Yankees a temporary 5-4 lead in the sixth.
World Series Game 6: With one out in the fifth, inherited runner Kenny Lofton on second, and Rich Aurilia at the plate, Lofton immediately stole third, and subsequently scored on a wild pitch during Jeff Kent’s at-bat. Leading off the top of the sixth, he gave up a tape measure shot to Barry Bonds. Giants 5, Angels 0.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 9, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God this is rediculous...
Think of all the rediculous things he did that postseason. So let me get this straight, in game 6 he gave up a steal, and a run on a wild pitch, and a tape measure shot to Bonds. Who didn’t give up a tape measure shot to Bonds that year? Good governor, talk about splitting hairs.
by thewebb on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Obvious
Frankie signing a deal very similar to what the Angels already offered does NOT mean he didn’t want to be an Angel. It meant the Angels had already made up thier minds that his money would be going elsewhere and they relayed that to Frankie. Remember Artie’s comments regarding Frankie wanting huge coin.
That said, there is no way in hell that Artie is going to let Frankie walk without signing one of the 3 major studs out there. The Angels also are saying they feel very confident in ‘Dondo’, Shields, & Oliver.
What will make this annoying next season is the fact that Frankie is now a Met and we will get shoved heavy doses of East Coast Bias about how Frankie is God should he have his normal performance. Just remember to keep everything you hear about Frankie in perspective since we know everything there is to know about the guy.
Frankie’s money is going towards a BIG BAT
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will not miss him one bit
You may miss him but I will never. There is enough guys out there and that is evident by the contract he got. He may have helped the club win a WS and he may hold the all time single season saves record (BFD) but that sure did not have Omar Minaya over paying like he has in the past for free agents.
There is no doubt he was a huge contributor in the Angels WS win but lets not get crazy with Al Levine. If I remember correctly
T. Percival was the guy on the mound at the end of the game.
T.P. had 7 total saves in the 2002 postseason with 3 coming in the WS.
TP had 40 saves in 2002
F-Rod pitched a grand total of 5 2/3 during the 2002 season totaling 0 saves.
There was no midseason F-Rod sighting.
Boo-Hoo he is gone…………I say HuRah
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reason
I think a big part of Frankie’s success in the ’02 playoffs was BECAUSE he pitched so few innings during the regular season that year (of course he would have zero saved that season). He was a relative unknown going into the playoffs and when you get a guy with the kind of stuff that he had back then and none of the hitters had ever seen him before then the results are beautiful. I mean he earned the nickname K-Rod for a reason, using a 97-98 mph fastball and a devastating slider combined with his relative obscurity led to nearly every batter he faced in the post season striking out.
Unfortunately, the K-Rod that we came to know in ‘02 did not last very long. Once he lost all the heat on his fastball and hitters became familiar with him that spelled the end of Frankie. Topping out at 91-93 mph meant that he had to learn how to actually PITCH in certain situations and he wasn’t able to fully adjust and thus we were left with the nail biting 9th innings we have come to know over the past few seasons. It’s just too bad our feelings towards K-Rod are about how remember him at the end of his career here and not at the beginning but I am too am guilty of feeling resentful towards him as well.
I was never really bothered all that much by his post-game celebrations and think his record was pretty meaningless. I mean we all know it was mostly a function of the Angels playing in so many close games and did anyone honestly think of Bobby Thigpen as an all-time great relief pitcher. Maybe Frankie will fade into obscurity the same way after getting sucked up by the New York Media. I also think that the closer position is overrated in general. It is highly specialized and I would never see the reason to spend $10 million+ on one guy who pitches 1+ innings a game for maybe 60 games, especially when cheaper alternatives are always available. The only exception I would make would be for a guy you KNOW is not going to even allow runners on base, let alone let them score and possibly win the game (which is the exact opposite of what we came to expect from Frankie) and the only guys I might throw into this category are Nathan, Rivera, and Lidge.
by turs12 on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY!! AMEN!!!
Our best reliever of all time IMO. No one was more automatic for 40 saves, and this year his velocity was down but he seemed to step it up a level in how he pitched.
Thanks for the memories and the help winning the title K-Rod. As good as David Price was this year in the playoffs, he didn’t hold a candle to Frankie in ’02.
by thewebb on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'll miss him...
But, he was going to walk and I’m glad we at least were able to pick up a second-round pick. do we still get a supplemental draft pick?
So if Garland also signs with the Mets do we get those picks as well?
If Teixera signs with Nationals/Orioles what do we pick up?
by Jay Cal on Dec 9, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SUPPLEMENTAL PICK IS CERTAIN
The only question is whether the Mets sign a higher-ranked Type A free agent – if htey do we get the Supplemental pick and teh 25th pick of the 2nd round. if they don’t we get the 25th pick of the first round and a supplemental pick before the 2nd round.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the higher ranked Type A's?
I’m assuming Tex, Manny, CC and anyone else?
by MH252525 on Dec 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rev, you are living in the past
and, apparently – based on the numbers of posts of contrary sentiment, considerably in the minority on this subject.
Frankie did a great job 7 years ago, but has NOT been the closer many people gave him credit for. Sosh brought him in many, many times with a lead that could have easily been held by one of our other BP guys, and despite what Frankie’s ardent supporters say, even my wife and daughter would groan at the thought of him giving up 2 baserunners, walks, etc etc many times he came on…..this year especially.
It is the market that has spoken – if the response seems unduly harsh, it is not only us. Speak to Omar Minaya. This is NOT Mo Rivera $$$.
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 9, 2008 1:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i hope that you are right … but FEAR that we will regret the sentiment you express here.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just curious what BP guys you are talking about...
Evil Shields, Arredondo? Frankie’s record season was the result of the remarkable save opportunities our offense provides.
I think alot of people here assume we have a real solid backup plan. Shields is much more inconsistent than Frankie and that just leaves us with an unproven Arredondo.
Time to bring in more offense Ninja, I have a sick feeling that we will need some late inning three run homerun heroics next year.
by Wytelitning on Dec 9, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Teix had a few late inning heriocs........only to watch as the bullpen blew the leads........
including Frankie
PIPE DREAM: Jim Harbaugh for the Bills next head coach.
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 9, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go back and check to see how many 1 or 2 run games he saved last year...
and you’ll see they were way more than he blew.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 9, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but how many 4 runs leads did he save? LOL.......
had to be atleast 2 that I can think of….thanks to Speier….haha
PIPE DREAM: Jim Harbaugh for the Bills next head coach.
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
adios..........Frankie.....thanks for the memories....
both great….and not so great……
PIPE DREAM: Jim Harbaugh for the Bills next head coach.
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 9, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think KRod was doing his best to save face.
3 years @ $37MM, plus $14MM, fourth year vesting option = $51MM.
The Angels’ offer of 3 years @ $34MM was back in the spring. He pitched away one of those years @ $10MM, theoretically leaving 2 years @ $24MM………………Isn’t that what Omar originally offered Frankie?
Obviously, that was just a negotiating starting point, but interesting nontheless.
He had to be shitting bricks when he heard “2@$24MM”……………and negotiated (begged) like hell to get that fourth year mentioned in the contract somewhere……..plus, seeing a number north of $50MM mentioned saved his pride.
by wumbug on Dec 9, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Weaver
I would like to see Weaver move into the closer role. I think he would be a stud in this position. Sign a FA starting pitcher and put the 5th spot up for competition.
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on Dec 9, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Weaver would be filthy for three outs
Whether or not that’s the best use of his ability, who knows? But, yeah, he would make a good closer in my opinion. I believe the playoff announcers broached the subject, too.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE! Totally agree.
Im all about Weave closing. He’s super young though and could still mature as a starter. His performance in Third Game against the Sux in the playoffs was Panther.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has the stuff
Weaver is a good PITCHER, but not a great thrower. His velocity has declined since we drafted him and he’s been kind of exposed the last two years. You want guys in the back of the bullpen who have high strikeout ratios.
I’m not saying it can’t work, but Weaver also has a ton of value as a slightly above league average starter who can eat between 180 and 200 innings a year. He’s perfect as a number 4 starter in our rotation.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who has the stuff and experience???
Kelvim Escobar. If he’s healthy he could be nails.
by Wytelitning on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been a huge fan of this plan . . .
but it’s not looking like he’ll be healthy in time. At least that is what I’ve been reading. Other wise that plan would have been perfect.
It would be much easier on his arm/shoulder to come back and only pitch 60ish innings instead of 175-200 over the course of a full season.
by krush40 on Dec 9, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pipe dream
shoulder problems do not bode well.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver's a competitor, no doubt...
but just doesn’t have the raw stuff to close. 89 mph from the closer is a scary thought.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt there are guys who can do it
Exhibit A: Trevor Hoffman
But those guys are much rarer than the fireballing closers and with good reason.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffman threw hard when he was Weaver's age.
Hoffman’s shortstop arm was probably the best in minor league baseball, but he couldn’t hit.
The Reds made him a pitcher and the Padres were the beneficiary.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was
That Hoffman is the rare exception of a closer who can last without power stuff. He’s had most of his saves after he injured the arm. Even so, his K rate is still better than Weaver’s. Weaver doesn’t have a pitch that misses enough bats. He’s good, but not really closer material.
Although it’s possible he could ramp it up if he was only pitching one inning at a time.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
Weaver’s not a closer. And, yes, Hoffman adjusted probably better than anyone.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Weave
has the heat necessary to close?
Where does he top out?
If he knew he was only going to be needed for 3-4 outs, maybe he could work; however, I think he will rebel ’cause he will lose his seat in the dug. (That is important to him)
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 9, 2008 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
only playoff win
I pitched in the last two innings of our only playoff win last year and did pretty well. I think its an experiment worth looking into, although I have faith in our management to make the right decision.
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on Dec 9, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
He* pitched in the last two innings
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on Dec 9, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to ask you
if you were Jered and if so ask how your poker game is doing these days…
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye and good riddance?
That might be a little strong.
For me he’s been a great Angel. I watch sports to be entertained and, for better or for worse, he’s never been less than entertaining. Perhaps it hasn’t all gone his way (or ours) some of the time, but hey, that’s sports.
Maybe he’s had a rather higher opinion of himself that some of us have but he’s a closer, he needs a bit of ego, a bit of attitude to do his job and I won’t begrudge him that.
Thanks Frank – it was fun while it lasted. Best of luck on the dark side.
I see red people
by The Limey on Dec 9, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody else
find it hilarious that just a year a go, an older, fatter, inferior closer in Francisco Cordero got a longer, fatter, superior contract (4 years, 46 million)?
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 9, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
as hilarious as the Dow Jones Industrials being above 14000 then...
…and teetering between 8,000 and 8,400 today….
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye
Post-2002 playoff Frankie hasn’t been very promising. We have become too reliant on strong starting pitching and a stable bullpen. When those parts fail (coupled with our continuous lack of offense in the big games) we lose in the division series. We have needed to address the offense for the last few years and this gives us an opportunity to do so with some extra money to work with. If we are able to sign Tex though, well..that’s a different story.
I’ll still miss you Frankie. Thanks for the memories.
A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.
by ClutchHomer on Dec 9, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some people really have a short term memory
I am sad to see the guy go. I will always have fond memories of him. He is one of my favorite Angels ever.
That being said I would not pay him $12 million a year.
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not mad at Frankie at all, he earned his FA
but him always saying the Angels were his family…. what a load of bs. Everyone could always tell he was going to follow the money. Angels management treated him right as far as I can tell too, he was given an offer that was comparable to what he ended up signing for. Now Wally Joyner…. on the other hand was serious when he said he loved Anaheim and the fans. It’s just too bad he was treated unfairly during the Jackie Autry era.
by MH252525 on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kind of Indifferent
K-Rod is overrated but still solid. He helped us win the World freaking Series in 2002 but also choked big-time this year. He’s obviously going the prima donna route by spurning the Angels and Orange County and moving over to the Big Apple. That’s his right and he’s earned it, I’m thankful for the World Chapmionship, but I do agree it was time to move on. Shields will be good enough, Arredondo can pick up eventually, and as some have mentioned, Escobar did it before. If he’s healthy, there’s no reason to try him out there to get him a place with less stress on his frame in a position he’s handled well before.
by Kernel on Dec 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Escobar
With his surgery anyone considered he might be prime to be a closer again?
Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!
by anaheimisnotla on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Far from healthy
He won’t be ready until May at the EARLIEST.
by Sethy on Dec 9, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No big deal take your time Myspace
He looks like the best non-deal we will make next year at the trade deadline.
by Wytelitning on Dec 9, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i love him
but i am not counting on him
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Options
I thought I bring him up as that gives us three options:
Arredondo
Shields
Escobar
And that leaves WTY in the rotation. I just hope this gets Reagins to work harder on the Texierra and CC twosome.
Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!
by anaheimisnotla on Dec 9, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this is a best case scenario
My biggest fear was him being on an American League team. Let’s face it: Frankie verses Monkey – who would succeed more often?
There’s no doubt I’m going to miss him, and his antics, and even the pants-crapping melodrama he turned the 9th inning into. And if he comes charging out of the bullpen at the Big A next year, I’m going to stand up and clap. I was right there next to that bullpen on September 13th, and when he walked down those steps I screamed and hollered as loud as anyone. You can’t take that away.
I’m okay with his going because I believe we got the best years out of him. As I said in an earlier post, I was re-watching game 7 of 2002 and was stunned at his precision – totally different animal. That was the guy who earned the name K-Rod. The Frankie of 2008 I liked forcing friends to watch because after I would explain who he was and what he did, they’d watch as his first two pitches went in the dirt, and ask “wait – isn’t he supposed to be the best closer in baseball?” And I’d say “wait, just watch.”
Oh well. I’m looking forward to seeing what Dondo does.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations to Frankie. I'm glad he got $37 million.
It may not be $75 million, but it’s still a shitload of money.
It didn’t appear that the Angels made any effort to retain Frankie, as they have more pressing concerns. I suspect the Angels must have had discussions about Frankie’s loss of velocity. Frankie had an unbelievable run of four consecutive seasons (2004-2007) with a K/9 rate greater then 12, which is sensational. But that fell to 10.1 in 2008, which is very good but a fair decline. His control got worse in 2008 too, as his K/BB ratio was a career worst 2.26.
I actually noticed back in August 2007 that Frankie was losing something on his pitches.
Something is Wrong with Frankie
Check out the video link in the above post. Frankie’s fastball back in 2006 had serious zip and the slider was really something.
Hopefully the addition of the change-up will offset a fastball that’s lost a few clicks and a slider that isn’t as hellacious as it was in the past. The move to the NL will help was well.
All the best Frankie! It’s been awesome!
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2008 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Something was totally wrong with Frankie last year from a health perspective
He almost never threw his slider until the game situation dictated that he had to get people out, and even then he would rather throw his changeup consecutive times (a major no no in the majors unless your name is Johan Santana or James Shields) which resulted in some of his worst outings. See his BS/Loss tot he Rangers, his BS and eventual team loss to the Mets, and of course his ALDS Game 2 loss.
I think his arm hurt him the majority if not all of last year and that he was doing he best to not throw his slider unless he thought he had to. I’ll be very interested to see how he does for the Met’s now that he is locked into a contract.
by MH252525 on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember he had that problem with one injured ankle and then the other at the same time.
He pitched anyway that night and blew a save.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 9, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But his velocity didn't really return when his
ankles healed. Something is going on with his arm.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Arredondo and Scot Shields must be doing the happy dance together right now.
There are still a few FA closers out there on the market that could get signed I think.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 9, 2008 4:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably Shields more than Arredondo
Shields gets bonus money based on how many saves he gets
by Seik1177 on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
World Series Chances just took a major hit
First of all, losing KRod is a major blow to anything we want to accomplish next year. People undervalue the closer role all the time, but it takes a special pitcher to be successful night in and night out. We will miss his 40 saves and anyone who voted different is an idiot.
The bullpen has been a strength of the Angels for quite a while. It is a huge part of our success and we will all feel the pain this year. We still have time to correct this with a few closers on the market.
Brian Fuentes should be on the Angel’s radar immediately. Even if he doesn’t pan out as a closer for us (which he would) it would signficantly strengthen our pen and give Sosh a lot of flexibility. Two leftys would be great in the pen!
I hate to be the one to break the news to everyone, but TEX is NOT going to be an Angel. I repeat… TEX will NOT be an Angel. He is out for the money and prefers the East coast to the West Coast.
CC also will not be an Angel and that may be a good thing. His numbers were not as dominant in the AL. He also doesn’t project out well over a long contract.
So what next for the Angels…
Pursue a 3 year deal for Manny and Fuentes.
Trade Weaver and a prospect for another bat (1B or LF)
Sign Randy Johnson as our 5th starter as a bridge to Adenhart
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
There’s a bomb in Game 4 of the Div Series that hasn’t landed that disagrees with your assessment.
Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!
by anaheimisnotla on Dec 9, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4th starter?
If we trade Weaver but sign Unit, that still leaves us with a gap at the #4 SP if Unit is 5th.
by Sethy on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're a psychic?
The Angels can throw as much money at Tex as anyone but the Yankees, so they have a shot to sign him. Unless you work in Boras’s office, I’m not buying it.
Also, regarding CC not being dominant in the AL, I’m pretty sure he won a Cy Young like a year ago. He’s pretty much regarded as one of the top 5 pitchers in the game.
I would take either one on the Angels in a heartbeat, and everything being said indicates the Angels still have a very legitimate shot at both.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye, K-Fraud.
Your 1.29 WHIP last year was slightly better than Scot Shields’ 1.34. If you ever had to come in to pitch in the 8th inning with runners on, I wonder if all those who think of you as a elite closer and Shields as a piece of shit would still feel that way. I guess we’ll find out next year.
by snowhor on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good! Lots of K-Rod hate here at Lookout Landing.
No wait. This must be Athletics Nation.
Or is this Lone Star Ball?
by XYZ123 on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I waited until he was gone to
write what I’ve always felt about him.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 9, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been confused too
But we’ve been spolied with our last two closers (Percy and K-Rod). I think the time was right for K-Rod to go, but I dont think we should all flame him. He was good while he was here (not the best, but not everyone is), and I think we will miss having a solid closer at least for a little bit.
by linkbruin on Dec 9, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Frankie had really wanted to be a Halo...
… he wouldn’t have gone to another club a measly $1 extra per season. The facts are that KRod’s numbers are getting slightly worse each season, despite his new changeup outpitch to LHBs. For certain he is still a very good relief pitcher right now. But IMO he’s not in the elite class of closers. I think he’s due to become one of those pitchers whose peformance never quite reaches his reputation. And in 3 years there’s a good chance that this will be the consensus amongst MLB teams. My sense is that the Angels feel the same way, which is why they only offered what they did. I think the Mets will end up being disappointed.
First Angels Home Game: September 04, 1969
by dzanr on Dec 10, 2008 7:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
End of an era
Reading through all these posts is kinda funny. First and foremost Im glad he’s gone. I personally didn’t like watching him pitch but Im sure there are boston fans that don’t like watching youkilis in the box. Bottom line: they both get the job done. I agree with joe that we got the best years out of him, If he continues to close ball games the way he has in recent years….. he will be dissected in new york. Anyone who believes this isnt a huge hit to our bullpen is crazy though. Im with Rev on this one, only because I believe this should be a time to appreciate what he brought to the team we a love and move on. No need to hate him now, he’s gone. Everyone is pissed about the fact that he left for very little more…… News Flash: There is no loyalty in sports. Maybe he just wanted a change? I thought it was very classless when he announced he was going to test the free agent waters mid season. I always think that is lame for a player to do. But the feeling was obviously mutual between franky and the FO. Which is fine, Im just going to take this time to remember the good, stay positive and wish him well. Thanks for the memories Franky.
What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?
by AlohaHalofan on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In NY, Frankie will morph into
the second coming of Armando Benitez. He will crack under the pressure and lose it.
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how his refusal to talk to the media
after tough losses will play in NY.
The L.A./O.C. media always seemed to give him a free pass on that one.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
C-YA F-Rod

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So K-Rod now plays for Dominos Pizza?
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Dec 10, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall in 1998, reading an article of the Angels signing a young pitcher with a bonus of one million dollars, at a time when the Angels, still under the influence of the latter years of Autry ownership, were not budgeting much to player development. I hope the scout who convinced Angel management to sign this 16 year old, Francisco Rodriguez, was rightfully renumerated.
Good Luck Frankie and thanks for the great memories……..especially the magical 2002 postseason.
by Canada Angel on Dec 10, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We will miss him, no question
It’s always easier to be the middle man. You just never know who will be a solid closer. Think of all the closers that have been solid for even the last 5 years. Not many whatsoever, but we had one. Think of all the times he came in to clean up Shields mess (and I like Shields, but he has dropped much more than K-Rod has). I love dondo but he hasn’t proved nearly enough yet to be able to say without a doubt he’ll be a great closer.
It amazes me how there are certain guys that people just hate. Shaky at the end of games and scary sometimes? Please, Percival is a God on this site and he was twice as shaky at the end of games. (granted, I love Percy) Hate his flamboyance? Why is it K-Rod’s antics are cocky and overdone and Papelbon’s fist pumping and screaming make him an intense gamer? Hmmm.
It is very possible we’ll find out again next year what its like to have a truly shaky closer. If so, it will not be fun whatsoever.
Sure, he lost some velocity last year, but he developed a very good changeup last year that will only get better. He really started to pitch last year in my opinion. The Angels made it pretty clear they were moving on. I don’t think the blame all goes on K-Rod’s side for leaving. Keep in mind, everyone seems to be worshipping Tex and it isn’t a very well kept secret that he will follow the money and numbers like 10 years/200 million were thrown out midseason.
How about we salute one of our own instead of kicking him on the way out and turning around saying we love the rental we just got?
by thewebb on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The savings on Rally diapers alone will be worth it
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby
by ladybug on Dec 13, 2008 10:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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