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Open Thread: AL WEST MATCHUPS

This is based on the current MLB team Page Depth Charts and assumes the current shelvings of Lackey, Escobar and Shields. Discuss it all in the Comments please.

TEAM Angels Athletics Mariners Rangers
C Napoli K. Suzuki Johjima Laird
1B Kotchman Barton Sexson Broussard
2B Kendrick Ellis Lopez Kinsler
3B Figgins Chavez Beltre Blalock
SS Aybar Crosby Betancourt Young
LF Anderson E. Brown Ibanez M. Byrd
CF Hunter Denorfia I. Suzuki Hamilton
RF Guerrero Buck Wilkerson Bradley
DH Matthews Cust Vidro Catalonotto
Ace Weaver Blanton Bedard Millwood
#2 Starter Garland Harden F. hernandez Padilla
#3 Starter Saunders Gaudin Washburn Jennings
#4 Starter E. Santana Duchscherer Silva Gabbard
#5 Starter Adenhart DiNardo Batista L. Mendoza
Setup  Speier Casilla S. White E. Guardado
Closer F. Rodriguez Street Putz C. Wilson

 

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There is not a category here where the Angel is definitively the 3rd or 4th place player. Every Angel is arguably at worst the 2nd best in the division.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 23, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Right Field

Vladdy could have no legs and a glass eye and still be the best at in AL West.

You guys in California really do live in heaven, the Angels are in town for more than just six games and there is Jack in the Box within 200 miles.

by Erik121 on Mar 23, 2008 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Who are those guys playing 1B

for the Mariners and A's?........never heard of them before.

by wumbug on Mar 23, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Rev,

I think you got the columns mixed up. Sexson and Barton should be swapped.

You guys in California really do live in heaven, the Angels are in town for more than just six games and there is Jack in the Box within 200 miles.

by Erik121 on Mar 23, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for catching that

Did this chart alphabetically instead of in assumed Division Finish Order...

by Rev Halofan on Mar 23, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sexson is definitely a has been,

but even as a non A's fan, I'd be willing to bet Barton is most definitely a "will be."

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Advantages:

C - Mariners
1B - Angels
2B - Rangers
3B - Angels
SS - Rangers
LF - Mariners
CF - Mariners
RF - Angels
DH - Angels
Ace - Mariners
#2 Starter - Mariners
#3 Starter - Angels
#4 Starter - Athletics
#5 Starter - Mariners
Setup Man - Angels
Closer - Mariners

john RIP samo

by angels4adam on Mar 23, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Beg to differ...

...I'll take Kendrick at 2nd, Beltre at 3rd, Anderson at LF and I'll have Angels 4&5 among the starters (which says a lot about our depth) assuming the moon is full, the game is played at home and at night and Ervin hasn't got the screaming heebie-jeebies on that particular day. And I still haven't seen much from Hernandez that says he isn't going to flake out again this season.

I see red people

by The Limey on Mar 23, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

as much as i love GA,

i would bet money that his stats will not be comparable to ibanez' this year. the others you might make a case for.

john RIP samo

by angels4adam on Mar 23, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. Both GA and Ibanez will

be butchers in the field, and Ibanez will sustain a slightly better offensive production.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flake out?

I'd hardly call a 3.9 ERA "flaking out", but whatever floats your boat.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nor would i call it dominant

Or bettter than any of the Angels top three starters

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. You're perfectly

correct on that point. However, it was still an improvement over 2006, and gives me an optimistic outlook for 2008.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

but when you go to rank 2nd and 3rd

the case is almost impossible to make against the Angels. And this is without three of our best pitchers and 2 outfielders (Rivera, Willits) who would be in the mix on any other squad.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 23, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're saying Garland>Hernandez?

Because uhh, I think a case could be made for that being bs. But Saunders is definitely better than Washburn at #3.

by OlSalty on Mar 26, 2008 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really saying that but for arguments sake

Princess Felix:

2006 ERA+ 98 2007 110

Jon Garland

2006 ERA+ 105 2007 112

Potential until reached is nothing more than well potential.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 26, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are so full of crap, wow

You can quote ERA+ all you want, it doesn't make it a worthwhile statistic. How about you try using a credible measure of ability before you make an idiot of yourself. Like FIP for example, that's Fielding Independent Pitching. You calculate this with the formula (HR*13+(BB+HBP)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. This determines a pitchers actual ERA in regards to what they're actually responsible for doing, isolating them from the fielding behind them (i.e. their babip et al.).

Jon Garland's FIP
2004 - 5.23
2005 - 4.22
2006 - 4.41
2007 - 4.46

Felix Hernandez's FIP
2005 - 2.88 (in 12 starts)
2006 - 3.99
2007 - 3.83

Then there's xFIP, expected Fielding Independent Pitching, which normalizes FB/HR%. Home runs are basically a product of the percentage of flyballs a pitcher gives up, the higher their percentage of flyballs to groundballs, the more home runs they will give up.. This stat adjusts their "real" ERA (FIP), after adjusting for ballpark, to account for all the homeruns they would or wouldn't be expected to give up for that year, given their GB/FB ratio and the knowledge that just like babip, a pitcher has no control over whether a flyball leaves the park or results in an out.

Jon Garland's xFIP
2004 - 5.15
2005 - 4.31
2006 - 4.82
2007 - 5.02

Felix Hernandez xFIP
2005 - 2.88 (in 12 starts)
2006 - 3.56
2007 - 3.41

It's not even close. You're right, Felix hasn't lived up to his potential yet, but even as he is now he is miles ahead of Garland. Garland is a glorified innings eater who is barely above average. There is no comparing the two of them. Hmm....now which Mariner pitcher would be a more fair comparison........

Carlos Silva FIP
2004 - 4.44
2005 - 4.17
2006 - 5.81
2007 - 4.35

xFIP
2004 - 4.78
2005 - 4.16
2006 - 5.09
2007 - 4.67

Jon Garland is a lot closer to Carlos Silva than Felix Hernandez, a -lot- closer. Though I'll admit, Garland is better than Washburn. Jarrod has just had the luxury of pitching in Safeco to keep his superficial numbers respectable. Adjusted for park his xFIP has never been under 5.00, he benefits from a lot of flyballs dying in left field at Safeco which would leave a normal park.

by OlSalty on Mar 30, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kinsler?

Seriously? You'd take Kinsler over Kendrick?

by jjackflash on Mar 23, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

SS

I'd take Aybar last. Durability issues non existent.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 23, 2008 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Mariners set-up

Should be Sean Green, not Sean White.

From a Mariners Fan point of view...

C - Mariners
1B - Angels
2B - Angels
3B - Mariners
SS - Rangers
LF - Mariners
CF - Mariners
RF - Angels
DH - Angels
Ace - Mariners
#2 Starter - Mariners
#3 Starter - Angels
#4 Starter - Athletics (but yuck, not a fan of any of them)
#5 Starter - Mariners
Setup Man - Angels
Closer - Mariners

But, although the Mariners win in 8 categories, they also lose handily in 3 categories (1B, DH, and 2B).

by Fuckmikereilly on Mar 23, 2008 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

More like BLACK and BLUE...

when we're done hitting them.

Shopping for a new signature, but ran out of money...

by Downing Rules on Mar 24, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

From a Rangers fan

C - Mariners
1B - Angels
2B - Rangers (Kinsler will be an all-star this year)
3B - Mariners (It is hard to compare Figgins to other 3B)
SS - Rangers
LF - Angels (Anderson and Matthews > Ibanez and ???)
CF - Mariners
RF - Angels (Vlad the Ranger killer)
DH - Angels (Due to Angels depth and not entirely Matthews)
Ace - Mariners
#2 - Mariners
#3 - Angels
#4 - Mariners
#5 - Mariners
Setup - Rangers (Benoit)
Closer - Mariners

Ok, so I went off the board a little bit. Baseball is all about pitching. When healthy the M's still have the 2 best starters, but, the Angels have the best overall rotation.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Mar 23, 2008 11:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Top Two Starters

That is funny considering neither of them have had a better season than Lackey or Escobar.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Millwood has put up

and ERA+ of 167. Does that mean he is a better pitcher than the 4 being discussed? Bedard is going from the AL East to Safeco Field in the AL West. It is just my opinion, but, I think Bedard/Hernandez will be better than Lackey/Escobar.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Mar 24, 2008 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bedard I get...

..the guy can pitch, his stuff his filthy and he's shown it. He is in the same ballpark as Lackey currently with probably a higher ceiling. Hernandez is potential, nothing more.
Career to date:
Hernandez - WHIP 1.291, ERA+ 110
Weaver the Younger - WHIP 1.232, ERA+ 137

When he's shown he can be consistently better than Weaver, our number 3 starter, then maybe we can think about a coronation...

I see red people

by The Limey on Mar 24, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or to put it another way...

he's got virtually the same career line as Millwood (1.284, 110)

I see red people

by The Limey on Mar 24, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't hold this in...

...I don't think Bedard is the best current ace in this division. Sure say what you will about Spring Training, but he has given up 7 HR in his last 3 starts, along with 19 total earned runs and a robust 9.50 ERA. I really think this move is gonna come back and bite the M's. Too much money on a guy that is too injury prone.

The way that Weaver has been throwing the ball lately, makes me feel like it is a sign of things to come. I think that this will be his breakout year and maybe when he challenges Big John as the overall ace of the staff.

Aside: This whole thread has been really interesting and enjoyable to read and react to. I'd love to see it make a comeback around the All Star Break as I am sure things will be changing.

You guys in California really do live in heaven, the Angels are in town for more than just six games and there is Jack in the Box within 200 miles.

by Erik121 on Mar 24, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mate -- not the best idea

to judge a pitcher upon their spring training results. Means absolutely nothing, unless they were injured -- which Bedard is not. The pitchers do NOT care whatsoever about their spring training stats. It's about trying out new pitches (in Bedard's case, a cutter), and stretching out in general.

Other pitchers with horrible spring trainings? Jake Peavy, Johan Santana...the list goes on.

"Too much money on a guy that is too injury prone."
Not really, after His Tommy John surgery he's had zilch major injury concerns. The "injury" that shut him down last September was not serious at all, but a minor oblique strain, which has nothing to do with his arms or shoulders. The only reason he was shut down was that there was no point in keeping him going, as he was trade bait and the Orioles weren't going to touch the postseason.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe he's talking

about Felix and Bedard over Weaver and Garland -- not Lackey and Escobar

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

pitching isn't the whole story

The Rockies got to the WS because they committed the fewest errors in the majors. Pitching and DEFENSE.

Beltre is hurt. Bedard is over rated. His spring sucked. Let's see what the fat cat can do.

Comparing individual players is ridiculous. The best team will be the champs. Scosia has the needed expertise to guide the Angels all the way to a division championship.

The Angels have the depth.

I'm Hudd! Goodbye Phys!

by Hudd on Mar 24, 2008 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

You did bring up a good point about Scosia.

The Mariners were 45-33 when McClaren took over for Hargrove. He had a record of 43-41 as their manager. Which Mariners team will show up this year?

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Mar 24, 2008 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to doubt either record had

anything to do with either manager's "expertise." The manager's effect on a team's performance is at best overrated.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

McLaren

I actually saw him really foul up some games last year. Especially against the Angels and during the losing streeak. Poor bullpen use etc.

The new coaching staff will help.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granted, McLaren is

an idiot, but the Mariner's losing streak was more of the result of a general team implosion.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bedard is actually underrated.

And Beltre? He suffered that "injury" (a minor thumb tear) mid season, and his stat line was identical pre and post injury. Not a concern at all.

"The Angels have the depth."

True

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whats with all this Putz love?

Remember the All-Star Game? He can't even get it done in an "exhibition" game. Needed Frankie to come in and finish the job. For some reason that moment is all I think about when people talk about Putz.

You guys in California really do live in heaven, the Angels are in town for more than just six games and there is Jack in the Box within 200 miles.

by Erik121 on Mar 24, 2008 5:12 AM PDT reply actions  

you

think of an EXHIBITION game? heh

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot that

"This Time, It Counts"

;)

You guys in California really do live in heaven, the Angels are in town for more than just six games and there is Jack in the Box within 200 miles.

by Erik121 on Mar 24, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Putting aside the fact

that the all star game means jack squat, Putz had 2 outs and Roberts botched a groundball that was out number 3. Things went down hill from there.

Judging a pitcher upon the basis of an absolutely pointless game? Really, not the best idea.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

World Series

Oh home field advantage for the World Series. Not that Seattle or Texas has been there or will be there this year.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

From another Rangers fan

C - Mariners
1B - Angels
2B - Rangers (Kinsler will ALWAYS be better than Kendrick)
3B - Rangers (Beltre's OBP stinketh)
SS - Rangers
LF - Mariners (Ibanez is better than either Matthews or Anderson)
CF - Rangers (Hamilton>Ichiro or Hunter)
RF - Angels (I despise Vladimir Guerrero; Rangers 2nd)
DH - Athletics
Ace - Mariners
#2 - Mariners
#3 - Toss up - give me Jennings potential as seen in '06. Rangers
#4 - Mariners
#5 - Athletics
Setup - Rangers (Benoit, Guardado, and Fukumori)
Closer - Mariners

WE'RE A LOT BETTER THAN LAST SEASON, FOLKS. YOU BETTER TALK TO YOUR BOOKIES!

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Hamilton

I definitely see him being the best out of the CFers in the west. He's the closest thing to a triple crown candidate that the AL west has. The next closest candidate is Vladdy (a COFer) and i dont see him staying healthy all of this year.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Mar 24, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

plus

at the #4 starter, give me Brandon Mccarthy when he is healthy. Rangers

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is funny

Garland or Weaver is our #4. Take your pick, they both dominate McCarthy. McCarthy is another in a long line of bad Ranger trades.

I am glad to see you guys getting back to your all bat no pitch roots. That rotation is TERRIBLE.

I did talk to my bookie by the way. Unders!

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinsler Home/Road splits

2006___BA_OBP_SLG_OPS
Home __.316 .376 .552 .928
Road __.256 .318 .355 .673

2007
Home__.312 .398 .523 .921
Road___.215 .313 .362 .675

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Mar 24, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

your point is?

so?

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

the point is

that Kinsler sucks on the road - half the games.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 24, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy to understand

He would be a Utility Player if you take him out of Arlingtron.

by Seik1177 on Mar 24, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is stupid

Theres no reason to speculate or estimate numbers of taking him out of the BPIA since he is a RANGER with a long term deal. It doesn't matter if half of his games are on the road because its the cumulative numbers, home and away, that matter.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Mar 24, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK

I'll say this slow so it will be easier to understand.

Kinsler plays 1/2 his games in Arlington which he hits well (see above split) the other 1/2 of his game are played elsewhere which he hits like crap (also see above split). If he cannot match or come close to his home numbers he is a product of his environment. Which means with his current split, on any other team he'd be a .....Utility Player.

Trust us we know what we're talking about, we have the pitching version of Kinsler

by Seik1177 on Mar 26, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinsler will be batting

leadoff this year which will make him a better hitter. Last year when he returned from the DL he was a patient hitter and stopped trying to pull everything. I think he will surprise people this year. Lets compare Kinsler and Kendrick at this time next year.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Mar 26, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt the Rangers will be

that good next season. Watch their pitching implode for yet another year.

But in the future, with their farm system and the possibility of signing some solid pitching, they could be pretty damn good.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

it all depends on health

as it does for each of the pitching staffs (Angels - Lackey and Escobar, Mariners - Bedard, A's - Harden have all recently been injured or had injury concerns associated).

Millwood, Padilla, Jennings, McCarthy were all hurt last year, and Gabbard and recently signed John Patterson have had their fair share of injuries. But if you compare our top three of Millwood, Padilla and Jennings and take their 2006 numbers (when healthy), we'd be pretty damn competitive in the AL West, especially if CJ Wilson, Jack Benoit, Fukumori and Guardado anchor a bullpen with a few other very effective long relievers (Wright and Loe when NOT starting look pretty good) and some other moving parts out of Tejeda, Littleton, Francisco or Feldman. Don't discount Mendoza, Hurley and Harrison's arrivals, as well as the development of AJ Murray, Josh Rupe, Thomas Diamond and Warner Madrigal (ouch - that one's gotta hurt) in returning from injuries or taking on new situations. These are all wild cards, and could just as easily surprise the AL West this year as flop. Point is, we have a lot more depth to be able to handle injuries this year, and if we don't have the injuries, we could surprise a lot of people as early as this year.

But you are also right on about the future - after Hurley and Harrison, two near-ready legit prospects, look for some really exciting arms to come up - Font, Grullon, Pimentel, Beavan, Feliz, Main, Tommy Hunter, Neil Ramirez, Poveda, Kiker, Zach Phillips are all outstanding prospects, and a few decent prospects in Beau Jones, Kometani, Schlact and Mathis (the last three are closer to the majors than any of the previous pitchers). Most of these guys are two years away at best, but when they do start to trickle into the majors, you'll notice.

As far as hitting prospects, we'll see if Arias can pee a drop (doubtful), but we have Brandon Boggs, Duran and Chris Davis all very close, Mayberry, Teagarden, Max Ramirez another step away, and Borbon, Whittleman, Manny Pina, Cristian Santana, Marcus Lemon, Engel Beltre and Elvis Andrus in the next wave. These are some highly rated prospects. When all is said and done, you used to be able to look at the Rangers and say, "their offense is something to worry about, but we can always beat their pitching." I think those days are disappearing, maybe not gone yet, but we're making progress. Something I don't think we've ever been able to say.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 24, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the wonderful thing about the last weeks before the season starts...

...it's that special period when optimism rules over common sense and before it is crushed under the cold relentless hammer of reality.

"if you compare our top three of Millwood, Padilla and Jennings and take their 2006 numbers (when healthy), we'd be pretty damn competitive in the AL West"

Right you are then.

Anything you say Boss.

But if that's the current reference point, I'd have real doubts over the true worth of any of those 3000 prospects you alledgedly have coming through.

I see red people

by The Limey on Mar 24, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

so are the experts wrong

when ranking our farm system? or are you saying I should set the goals for our pitching staff higher...trust me, I am by no means satisfied with what we have, I think before it is all said and done we really need a true ace, and probably a lefty at that. We signed Millwood to be our ace, but that's because we can't sign a true ace - he's a # 2 at best, and on a good staff, a # 3. But we have three # 3-quality starters on this team, so if all perform how they are capable of performing, we'll be alright. The best hope for our future is to develop an ace internally, which we have had even worse luck with than signing one.

Either way, I remember the 2004 season, where we hung around for most of the year with Kenny Rogers as a solid but unspectacular # 1, and Ryan Drese the 2nd best starter on the staff (this same staff included Chan Ho, R.A. Dickey, and the starter version of Jack Benoit - each had an ERA over 5.46). If that team could compete, this one surely can - especially with your other-than-Vlad highly unspectacular offense (keep lying to yourselves - Howie Kendrick is better than Ian Kinsler!!!) and your top two starters on the shelf.

Look - you're coming from a pretty easy situation - all you've done in the past is win this division with relative ease, and certainly no battle from my beloved Rangers. All I'm saying is those days are going to come to a close sooner than you realize, and the trend may start to curve the other way as soon as this year.

Enjoy 2008, you limey bastahd

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 24, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

CAN'T AFFORD???

Man has your owner suckered your Tex-Ass... when he signed A-Rod they bragged about being the #4 media market and center of the universe... now he is saving millions and millions with A-Rod's new contract ... and all you are getting is rationalizations about Kevin Millwood.

Bummer.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 24, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

show me where I said we can't afford one

I challenge you

I said we CAN'T sign one - they don't WANT to pitch in Arlington, because they're scared to death of turning irrelevant on the market.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 24, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

excuses excuses excuses

and when you turn 18 they turn into rationalizations...

by Rev Halofan on Mar 25, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Padilla sucks

Jennings was hurt and has yet to show any signs of life.

Millwood? Really. What a waste of cash.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Rangers beat .500...

...i'll be hugely surprised. Honestly I don't think they'll win more than 77 games (unless the A's are even worse than they look on paper). Having said that, if they do win 82, come round to my gaff and I'll be happy to eat humble pie. I'll even buy you a drink to congratulate you.

You can pay for your own travel though.

I see red people

by The Limey on Mar 24, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

P U T Z

Frankie has had three GREAT seasons and Putz 1 but people default to the recent trendy guy... ugh.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 24, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually 2.

Check out his numbers after taking over as closer.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the Road Again: AL West 2B comparison

Career Road Stats
...................BA_OBP_SLG_OPS
Kendrick__.304 .333 .433 .766
Ellis______.272 .335 .400 .735
Lopez ____.280 .308 .396 .704
Kinsler____.234 .315 .359 .674

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Mar 24, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

At Home Comparison

By the way fan since.. your stats are incorrect
Well the road is just as important as at home, considering half the games are played at home.
......................................BA.....OBP....SLG....OPS
Kendrick.....................316 335 433 766
Ellis.............................257 312 431 743
Lopez.........................225 274 338 612
Kinsler.......................312 398 523 921

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Mar 24, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

How are my stats incorrect? Is there a typo?

The stats simply prove the huge advantage Kinsler is able to garner by playing in Arlington.

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Mar 24, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

RANGERS OWN!

Kendrick doesn't.......... at all.......

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong. As one with a relatively unbiased eye in this situtation

,I'd take Kendrick over Kinsler any day. He's gonna' be a beast offensively, and an acceptable defender.

by redwolf75 on Mar 24, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kendrick's

bat stinks. He can't walk, just like the rest of your team, save Vlad.

"LBrooks passes away... after the 'miracle' Rangers of '08 win the AL West." -slc ranger

by dstar442005 on Mar 24, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZZZzzzzz

Now they are all just talkin' to themselves...

by Rev Halofan on Mar 24, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like your no glove Shortstop?

We went to the same school so I like him, but come on.

Funny Kotch and Naps probably have better plate discipline than everyone on your team.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally...

I know I am biased - but I'd take the 25/25 threat with a chance to improve his average and on-base numbers this year (hit .288 in the 2nd half last year, while getting on base at a .379 clip) that was a near-perfect 23 for 25 in stealing bases, that will most likely score well over 100 runs and knock in over 80 if healthy at the top of the lineup, that also had a streak of 40-something error-free games in the 2nd half after he took to Ron Washington's personal infield instruction. that's me personally. I don't know, maybe Howie's better...?

and I think the ballpark definitely has something to do with it, but he still produced away from home (look at the peripherals), and I think a young hitter can learn to hit on the road while continuing to take full advantage of his home park.

Oh and I'll go a step further on the player rankings - I think Hank Blalock will blow every other AL West 3rd baseman out of the waters this year. but then again, I'm biased, and maybe that's just me. do you think 100 runs, 30 HR, 100 RBI, a .285 average would get it done? and in the outfield, we're catching back up when Milton Bradley gets back onto the field. until then, he is by far and away the best DH in this division.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 24, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

His coach might blow Bradley's knee out...

during an argument...so I think you have to throw any projections for Meltdown Bradley out the window.

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by Downing Rules on Mar 25, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do the Rangers own?

They used to own Chan Ho "Kung Fu" Park. (Why "Kung-Fu"? Back in June 1999 there was an inter-league game between the Angels and Dodgers during which Park took exception to being tagged by pitcher Tim Belcher during a bunt play. Park responded with a flying kick to Belcher's mid-section. The tag was not rough, rather Park was still frustrated from a grand slam he had given up earlier in the game. BONUS QUESTION: who hit the grand slam for the Angels?)

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Mar 24, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

They own one of the longest streaks...

like 45 games (or something like that) in which Vladimir Guerrero got a hit against them. He OWNED them with all capltal letters O - W - N - E - D. That is the point at which you really have to look at your franchise and realize it is a joke.

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by Downing Rules on Mar 24, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incorrect, good one. Learn to add

335+433=768. Not 766. Not a huge difference but you are one calling people out for the incorrect stats.

Sea-at-ha-ha-ha that's funny.

by hauldog on Mar 24, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOTTOM LINE

If any AL West team is in striking distance of the Angels and Vlad is lost for the season and shields/Lackey/Escobar are too, well, it might be closer than we think...

by Rev Halofan on Mar 24, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

très drôle

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by Downing Rules on Mar 25, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

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