Rule 3 and High Expectations
by Rev Halofan on May 27, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
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In our right sidebar, I would like everyone to read RULE 3:
3. If you are Pessimistic, bitch once, then be funny or offer a solution. Don't bitch twice, it's alright.
IF - in the middle of a game thread - you try to sound like a statistical analyst and throw a hundred calculations up to show why Mike Scioscia should not have batted Jeff Mathis in the 9th inning of a tie game, guess what - NOBODY is going to read it. And if someone does read it and points out your lousy stat methodology, calling that person an idiot only means that you are the idiot. And there they are the fool and the fool who follows him not watching the game while we are watching the game.
IF - in the middle of a game thread - you remind us that despite his lifetime winning percentage and # of victories managing this team, that Mike Scioscia "sucks" ... you are entitled to your opinion and welcome to express it here ... ONCE.
IF you are negative about this team, pardon me for calling you a laughingstock bandwagoneer - oh, pardon me for turning the tables and getting negative about YOU oh enlightened basbeall analyst - you who cannot handle a 2 game lead in first, you who cannot handle the 2nd best record in baseball, you who cannot handle Frankie saving a game with anything less than a one-two-three inning.
- News For You:
- The Angels do not exist to meet your unrealistically high expectations.
- the Angels do not exist to fulfill some imaginary self-narrative you have about your baseball analytical skills (the archiving nature of the internet shows nearly all of us to be barely .200 hitters in that department - although we bat 1.000 in the rationalizations field).
- If Winning is just not good enough for some of you, maybe it is time to start a Tiger Woods blog. It takes guts to be a baseball fan and accept the human limitations of your team, your heroes and your fellow bloggers.
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Part of being an Angel fan
Is learning to love that we win when all the A’s fans spew pythagorean BS about why we shouldn’t.
Willits for ROY! Oh, wait... Um, Kendrick for batting title? Yeah!
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't follow that... So are you saying that Torii caught the ball before it hit the ground?
by melvintoast on May 27, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explanation:
According to sabermetrics (a kind way of saying “a bunch of made up BS that has no bearing on day to day games”), the Angels have scored 232 runs while allowing 219. We have a record of 32-22, while the numbers would “suggest” we should have a record of 28-26. The A’ss, on the other hand, have scored 235 while allowing 185, suggesting that instead of their 29-23 record (aka 2nd place), that they should be at 32-20.
This “magic” formula is referred to as a pythagorean win-loss record. In other words, it ignores that good bullpens mean you win 1-run ballgames. And it also ignores that when you’re down by 5-6 runs you generally punt the game and put in your crap relievers, who inevitably turn an 8-1 loss into an 18-3 beatdown. In other words, it means precisely dick.
Willits for ROY! Oh, wait... Um, Kendrick for batting title? Yeah!
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lollllerskates......
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on May 27, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words, you have A's fans as friends, too?
Mine tries to tell me about this all the time, thinking I don’t understand the math. I explain to him that yes, I understand the math, but that part of what makes baseball entertaining is that math doesn’t win ballgames.
...as we clearly see by the suck that the 2008 Detroit Tigers are. On paper, they’re a hell of a ballclub. In the flesh, though… yikes…
Willits for ROY! Oh, wait... Um, Kendrick for batting title? Yeah!
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate dealing with As Giants, raider and niner fans.....they are the worst....well besides bosux and spanky fans
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on May 27, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why Rams are coming back to LA!
I don’t hate the Raiders. I hate the average Raider fan.
Oh, and I also hate the Raiders.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
Bill James is a big, fat dummy.
by Colorado Fan on May 27, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what he said
and Bill James in recent essays has done his damndest to distance himself from the sabrmetric elites so watch your ass, Spock, the fat man is not covering for your pompous and pretentious pratfalls no more.
by Rev Halofan on May 27, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know this guy...
But his comment (while clearly sarcastic), lacks enough content to even warrant a reply.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's an A's fan
and that would explain the stupidity
Let Wood play!!!
by howiestheman on May 27, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It warrants a rely
Imagine a religion that claims one of your heroes speaks for it – if this is untrue and you do not like the orthodoxy of that religion, you must speak up on behalf of your hero.
Bill James is a truth-seeking philosopher, sabrmetrics has devolved into Star Trek conventions without the hot Uhura wannabees.
by Rev Halofan on May 27, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too many big words rev......but preach on lol
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on May 27, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta say...
You sound as if, like me, you spent your $600 economic stimulus check on a kegerator. Drunk as hell, and preachy as shit! :)
Though yes I know exactly what you mean. It’s hard to blame Bill James for his followers taking his thoughts as “gospel” and applying to every single baseball situation.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would you like "followers"
who were not even CLOSE to following your message?
(paging Jesus “feed the poor” Christ…)
by Rev Halofan on May 27, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forwarding the link to this thread to
John “I want all Jews to burn in eternal Jew-fire” Hagee.
Hopefully he’ll endorse HH.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's have had some early season blowouts
which completely skew the Pythagorean estimates. To wit:
KC 13-2, beat up on Hideo Nomo (!) and another for 8 runs in the 8th inning
LAA 14-2, beat up on (a still rehabbing) Chris Bootcheck for 7 runs in 2/3 of an inning
MIN 11-2, beat up on (a still rehabbing) Francisco Liriano for 6 runs in 2/3 of an inning
TB 9-1, beat up on Sonnastine. Legit blowout.
That’s +40 runs right there. In just four games. In the remaining 48 games, the A’s have barely outscored their opponents. As a comparison, the most runs Boston has “blown out” an opponent by is eight runs (twice), and they’re the league leaders in runs scored.
We’ll see what Pythagoras has to say after 162 games….
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know" - Bill Parcells
by johnnyangel101 on May 27, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for doing the research I was far too lazy to do
But exactly proves my point. Kudos!
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 27, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem - A's fans remind me of Mike Blowers
In 1995, Blowers had 96 RBI’s. 43 of them (almost half) came in only eight games. The remaining games he played in, he was almost useless. Yet you would have thought he was an RBI machine based on the cumulative numbers. That’s when I learned that you always look deeper into the numbers than what’s given.
A’s fans are only looking at the surface. Yes, Pythagorean records matter. But you can’t just accept the numbers without seeing if they make sense.
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know" - Bill Parcells
by johnnyangel101 on May 27, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pythag Wins vs. Actual Wins: brief Angels review
There’s been good correlation between Pythag wins and Actual wins during the Angels history. A sampling of some good, average, and bad Angels teams.
Pythag Wins vs. Actual Wins
1982: 95 93
1984: 81 81
1986: 91 92
1988: 75 75
1989: 92 91
1992: 70 72
1996: 65 70
1997: 84 84
2000: 81 82
2002: 101 99
2005: 93 95
2007: 90 94
No stat is perfect, but Pythag can be useful.
Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!
by Fan Since 1981 on May 27, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Citing Pythag 1/3 into the season
is the small sample size kiss of death.
But they love to cite their numbahs…
by Rev Halofan on May 27, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That’s why I responded to the below in a scarcastic manner:
“Explanation: According to sabermetrics (a kind way of saying "a bunch of made up BS that has no bearing on day to day games"), the Angels have scored 232 runs while allowing 219. We have a record of 32-22, while the numbers would "suggest" we should have a record of 28-26. The A’ss, on the other hand, have scored 235 while allowing 185, suggesting that instead of their 29-23 record (aka 2nd place), that they should be at 32-20.
This "magic" formula is referred to as a pythagorean win-loss record. In other words, it ignores that good bullpens mean you win 1-run ballgames. And it also ignores that when you’re down by 5-6 runs you generally punt the game and put in your crap relievers, who inevitably turn an 8-1 loss into an 18-3 beatdown. In other words, it means precisely dick.” – halo101
So, it means more than “dick”, even to non-sabermetricians… And, I can’t believe how much I see “Small Sample Size” around this place. Weird. Nonetheless, it’s good to see things haven’t changed around here (too much)... HH Traffic should be be pretty good these days. Secretly, I bet you’re hoping the A’s stay in AL West contention.
by Colorado Fan on May 28, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample size
That is thrown around as a joke most of the time. Meaning it is Fremont’s excuse when things are not going their way statistically
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
by hauldog on May 28, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you show up just to be a sarcastic asshole
Great advertising for the sabrmetric orthodoxy – Jerry Falwell would be proud of your “burn-in-hell” attitude you evangelical subhuman.
by Rev Halofan on May 28, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
P-wins
I missed exactly what started all this, but I can guess.
Anyway, the reason peeps always bring up pythag wins is because they are better at predicting future performance than actual wins.
Of course if you have a situation where much of the team was hurt and is about to come back, then that would probably be more important than any statistic.
by elricsi on May 28, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Standard deviation is 2.5 for this set.
That means that 32 percent of the time, the pyth is more than 2 games above or below the outcome.
As far as predicting who gets the the playoffs … exercise… reader.
Who needs this statistic?
by melvintoast on May 28, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.. and BTW, all these walks the Halos are drawing to win games lately...
How come no one sent Mickey any flowers?
by melvintoast on May 27, 2008 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean his widow
because Mickey would have rather died than the Angels start taking walks.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on May 27, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy sweet mother of Jesus
am I glad I was at the ballpark.
Must’ve been one nasty bitchfest of a game thread.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on May 27, 2008 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rev you are the man......i could not of said it better myself
these should be the best days in a angels fans life right now…....we win our division…we win a world series….we are on national television….i have been a fan since i was 4 (1974) and thinking of all the disapoinment and all the 60 or 70 win seasons….i am just giddy about what is going on now…yes thats right i said giddy
by surfpunk on May 28, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...........
im a true defenition of “fanatic”........im High with the Highs…...and the lows sink me to unimaginable depths…...i love to rant and rave…....i wouldnt have it any other way…....this blog is the greatest place ever…...
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on May 27, 2008 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
my wife can actually tell when theres an angel game on here (i live in PA) cuz i came home from work one day and was uber excited, her mom asked why and my wife responded, “he’s goin home to watch the angels tonight” and at the same time she wont even talk to me if they lose because i m a depressed mess
i think i need therapy
the future looks bright
by halofan4life on May 28, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think i've ever been more involved in the team
thanks for this blog, Rev!
it’s fun to get into these raves a lot of the time…
Let Wood play!!!
by howiestheman on May 27, 2008 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Frankie saving a game"
The Lakers gave me a Frankie today.
But they both win, even on the Road!
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on May 28, 2008 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes I know the Angels were not on the road today, thank you
PS That was the best Angels game of the year.
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on May 28, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those of you who ignore sabermetrics or belittle it do it at your own peril.
I’m not saying that statistics tells 100% of the story, but the numbers do provide insights that “grit” and “team chemistry” simply cannot.
Wanting to ignore that is an attitude not far from the one held by people who insisted the world was flat, even though there were (obviously) compelling arguments to the contrary.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on May 28, 2008 1:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AGREE BUT
Sabr folks are their own worst advertising – they are often SO rabidly evangelical that if they cannot magically measure it then it is not of consequence, if you disagree with them you are instantly an idiot (yet they are usually happy to ignore any pure scouting methodologies) .... oh and if they did not predict it and it happens, get ready for more rationalizing than the transcripts of a nasty divorce.
by Rev Halofan on May 28, 2008 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My experience has been the opposite
The “sabr folks” tend to be pretty rational and accept that there are some things they just don’t know and that their predictions are never going to be completely accurate. Obviously, there are exceptions (though I can’t think of any notable names off-hand), but for the most part those of us who enjoy things like VORP and WXRL simply think it ADDS to the enjoyment of the game.
I can’t help but wonder if a sabermetrician-gone-bad kicked your puppy at some point. I just don’t understand the animosity.
I also think people love rivalries and a traditional, heart-and-grit view of the game versus a nerd-sitting-behind-a-computer-running-regression-analyses is a rivalry that appeals to you. But I think that rivalry is much less distinct than you’d like to believe. Most nerds love the traditional aspects of the game, too.
Basically, I’m pretty sure the percentage of close-minded, evangelical “sabr folks” is equal to the percentage of close-minded, evangelical heart-and-grit folks. Assholes come from all walks of life and all views of baseball.
by Dogman on May 28, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they ought to have a new playoff system where instead of playing a 7 game
series, too small a sample, they ought to just award the championship to the team with the best metrics, a la BCS.
This is clearly superior to the current method which is clearly flawed. By following the metric approach, all doubt as to who the true world champions are will be removed.
This would also unify the fantasy community with the rest of the baseball fans. In fact, I would propose that winners of baseball games not be determined on the basis of runs alone. Runs should be but one component in an overall score comprised of various metrics such as VORP, WXRL, BFD, and BOHICA,
by melvintoast on May 28, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome!
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Nice
Halos Fan Since 5th Grade
by angels4adam on May 30, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points Dogman
But when sabr predictions do not come to pass (a whopping 9 out of 10 times), the rationalizations based in emotion, not numbers, are the shocking thing that come from this crowd. Their arrogance and pregame certainty is only matched by their postgame denial.
They are constantly CERTAIN (and arrogant) about something that rarely works as a predictive tool and are in total denial that they are just skewing the numbers to make sure their favorite fanboy team looks like the glamourpuss they want it to be.
by Rev Halofan on May 28, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the world isn't flat
we’d fall off…
...duh
Who goofed? I've got to know.
by hittheg on May 28, 2008 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main problem with guys who take sabermetrics too seriously is that they take their stats as gospel over reality
Therefore when reality differs from their stats, they believe it is reality which must be wrong. That’s why since every year since 2004 PECOTA thinks we’re going to tank, and every year they are wrong, to the tune of +9.5 games over their prediction per season on average. This year they predicted us at 86 wins, IIRC, which we are currently on pace to destroy utterly.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on May 28, 2008 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ancients knew that the world was not flat.
And they used pretty simple mathematical tools to ascertain the size of the planet to an amazing degree of accuracy. They did not require Value Over Replacement Planet, or Worlds in the Heavens not Including Pluto.
by Stirrups on May 28, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an amazing post!
Good job, Rev! Right the ship!
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i love this site.
21546879843135487651321649875132134657984321
more meaningless stats :)
Open the damn box, Peter!
by thrill000 on May 28, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The postseason is a crapshoot
If you can’t win it.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
by hauldog on May 28, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Could we get rid of the “fire Mickey Hatcher” people. Oh and anyone who came on and said “fire the training staff” after guys got hurt, that one still has me shaking my head.
by Wytelitning on May 28, 2008 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wishing GMJ breaks his leg
stole the show for me.
by SCHalo on May 28, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always shit when I read...
“Hope GA gets injured so Kendry Morales can play.”
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring runs and the Soth years
With regards to high expectations, there has been much venting in the game threads about the Angels’ offensive shortcomings As much as I wish the Angels were a run scoring juggernaut the fact is that during "the Soth years" they’ve never been a leading force when it comes to scoring runs, though the pitching and D has done a very nice job.
A review of the Soth Angels’ AL rankings regarding runs scored vs. run prevention.
2000 7th 9th
2001 12th 4th
2002 4th 1st
2003 11th 5th
2004 7th 2nd
2005 7th 2nd
2006 11th 4th
2007 4th 5th
2008 6th 6th (year-to-date)
While the current lack of runs is somewhat worrisome, it hopefully doesn’t devolve into the mess of 1992. If there were game threads back then, it would have been a nightly barf fest. The Angels that year were 14th in BA, 14th in OBP, 14th in SLG and of course, 14th in runs.
Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!
by Fan Since 1981 on May 28, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not trying to be a smart ass
because i really enjoy this site and i wouldnt hesitate to admit that during games i get pretty frustrated and post things while in the heat of the moment to blow off steam (isnt that one of the attractions of a blog, to express yourself and talk it out?) about how i wish so and so wasnt in the lineup (in my case: wood) or how i dont always enjoy the heart attack 9th inning. And thats just my personality with sports. I do it with the lakers and raiders just the same. When im watching a game on the couch, if vlad strikes out with 2 outs, i usually say “maaaan, vlad sucks”. Do i honestly feel in the grand scheme of baseball that he sucks? Of course not and thats never misinterpreted as such by whoever im with. i’d imagine its exactly the same with most other people who do it on this site and theres just more room for misinterpreting tone and how serious you are over the internet. its just a quick expression of disapointment with a certain situation. A kneejerk, sarcastic reaction.
But…
isn’t this the same site that was calling gary matthews “the garbage man” or Garbage Matthews JR and had firmly established that it hated gary before he even played a game for us? Or was calling shea hillenbrand a clown(complete with linked photo) immediately after his signing and likewise had a huge ammount of negative vibes surounding him before he played for us? Hell, there were A TON of anti-Aybar posts(not necessarily by the Rev) that werent shunned in the offseason that mysteriously disapeared once he started performing. This was a case where people were posting stuff i didnt agree with but i dont think it ever made me doubt how much of fans they were. People were worried and concerned about the team’s performance, something I could relate to even though at the time I liked the idea of Aybar at short.
Anyway, back to the garbage man, shea, finley, grading guys with F’s etc stuff. Wouldnt you also be guilty of violating this new rule at times? I dont think anyone would ever accuse you of being bandwagon for not being happy or agreeing with every single decision management makes and I think as a fan who operates such a popular blog, people love when you voice those similar sentiments of disagreement/disapointment.
I dont think bandwagon fans care enough to watch every game and/or be emotionally invested enough in the outcome to reach a certain level of disappointment in the first place. Its not like anyone here would stop being an angels fan if they werent winning. Anyone that would wouldnt care enough to find a blog and discuss a team theyre clearly passionate about.
like i said before, im not trying to be a smart ass and i hope its not taken like im trying to argue wth ya Rev, because Im not at all, just kinda putting in my .02
by ihearhowie2.0 on May 28, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post...
but, after ‘02, we are all on bonus time here. I don’t freak out with every single pitch or misplay like I used to. I am in heaven, man, and Mike Scioscia, Frankie Rodriguez, Tim Salmon, Scott Spiezio, et al brought it to me.
Sure, I get frustrated, but it just doesn’t hit me like it used to. I kicked my beloved labrador retriever when Donnie gave up that HR to Dave Henderson….that’s how into it I was back then.
Just think of these as the Halcyon Days of Angels fandom and you will not freak out on every single peak and valley.
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the RULE, dude
it says “bitch ONCE” ...everything you are saying about posts here about Shea, Gary and Finley – they are all correct, they were negative, I bitched ONCE, I did not have a series of posts, post after post being negative exclamations without insight. “GMJ sucks” is far far from analyzing why it is a bad signing with some emotion instead of boring dry analysis.
And I might add i was right about all three!
by Rev Halofan on May 28, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was clearly one who was unwilling to give Aybar a chance
And posted all the winter league and minor league stats to demonstrate that his error totals would absolutely wreck our team, and also that he would just flat out suck at hitting.
And I was also one of the first to openly say “man, I love this crow I’m eating.” Prior to his injury he was proving me wrong big time and I owned up to it.
The difference between Aybar and GMJ or Hillenbrand though, is that they are not young developing players. We know their track records, and knew what they could contribute (very little). Yes, GMJ will have his days offensively, and yes he is outstanding defensively. But there is little to no reason for him to EVER be our DH. 90% of his value is in the field.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 28, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i agree with what youre saying
and like i was trying to get at in my first post, I basically am to brandon wood what you were to aybar in the winter, except i think not as many people are on my side as were yours in the winter. I’ve really given him a hard time, I would never try to hide that I have, but I guess the point I was trying to get at was that even though I’ll post in argument with some guys here that I don’t feel he deserves to be up here right now, it doesnt mean I want him out of the picture for good. I think part of the reason I get disapointed with wood is absolutely because of expectation, I admit that much, but a lot of it also has to do with just having a hard time watching him struggle so much at the plate. I’d LOVE to eat crow like you said you did with aybar and thats why im trying to get at that sometimes a negative comment is just my way of blowing off that steam of what i feel at that moment, even if its something Im aware i dont really believe in the bigger picture
by ihearhowie2.0 on May 28, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, didn't mean to start the SABR war up in here... haha
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on May 28, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SABR-toothed tigers...
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think i've bitched at all, and after reading Rev's remarks, i'm probably going to be too scared to in the future.
Please Rev, dont hurt ‘em.
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on May 28, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ehh?
Don’t be afraid. Let out your steam!
It’s good to do it, in moderation.
Everything is good in moderation.
Except being an Angels fan. Let that out loooooud!
Chart it up! Game on!
Week 8: http://tinyurl.com/67cfxg
by scottnak on May 28, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right.
I’m going to let it out super loud tonight at the game, hopefully directed towards a Tigers fan.
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on May 28, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about toward the Tigers themselves?
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in all reality...I will just be cheering on the Angels and having fun. No obscenities necessary at the ballpark.
I’m not THAT guy.
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on May 28, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see you there, may.
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do the A's
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on May 28, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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