Off Day Thread Topic-The MASH unit is coming back...
It seems as soon as tomorrow, Friday, that Figgy will be back. Also, it looks like the Admiral will be joining the fold within the next five to ten days. Lastly, it looks like Escobar will be back sooner than later; and most likely in the bullpen.
We know that Mike's mantra is "everyone will play."
If you were Reagins and the Soth what moves would you make and why?
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hmm...
figgy at 3rd, send b-wood down for regular ab’s, keep quinny on the bench.
keep izzy as the regular at short, platooning with aybar occasionally (unless izzy cools down and aybar heats up).
throw escobar in the pen, sending o’day (or whichever bee is currently up with the halos) back down to slc.
lackey
weaver
garland
saunders
santana
oliver
speier
sheilds
arredondo
escobar
krod
naps (mathis)
kotch
howie
izzy (sometimes aybar)
figgy
ga
hunter
mathews
vlad starts to dh regularly (he’s been on a tear from that spot) with occasional starts in rf
rivera
quinny
reggie
aybar
mathis
we know the soth will get our bench a reasonable amount of playing time. and, god forbid, we’re prepared in case of another injury.
my bad...k-rod is good.
by NoDakHalo on Jun 12, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reagins doesnt have to make any moves.
As far as Soth….I’m pretty much going to second what NoDakHalo is saying above.
I think unfortunately, this is going to be one of the problems that solves themselves…meaning someones going to go back on the DL, which will make some moves a lot easier. I am not HOPING this happens, but you never know. Either way…THIS TEAM IS STACKED.
Escobar in a bullpen role is the most intriguing to me, and it makes sense…although I’d probably want to take my time if I were the Angels and Escobar. Especially since we don’t exactly need him that bad; he would no doubt help, but thats assuming he comes back strong as last year.
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Jun 12, 2008 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless someone has a firesale...
...and we can get a half-season of a veteran big stick, to help pull this lot out of their slumber, I think Reagins will be fielding calls rather than making them.
The pitching staff, with the welcome addition of Escobar, looks filthy. The infield picks itself (with the possible exception of SS – personally, I’d go with Aybar for the majority of tthe remaining playing time this year, but he’s got to take it off Mice Tits first). The outfield picks itself, and I’ll take whichever catcher is pretending he can hit best this week.
If the 25-man roster that we expected to start the season stays fit, from here on in, this team will win 95 games. Comfortably.
Seattle can (surely) only improve from here, Oakland will almost certainly go backwards (to a certain degree). Texas might be interesting to watch though. They’re a couple of pitchers away from being a fairly handy team.
I see red people
by The Limey on Jun 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Texas
I didn’t think I’d hear it or say it this year but Texas with some pitching help they could battle for a wildcard. Last week they lost 3 games while scoring 8 or 9 runs and won one game giving up 7. C. C. Sabathia could make things interesting; they certainly have the prospects to get him.
by Wittness on Jun 13, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Volquez
Of course, the Rangers already had a young stud pitcher, but they traded him away for Hamilton. As great a season as Hamilton is having, as an Angels fan I’m glad they don’t have a guy in their rotation with a 1.56 ERA. They also gave up John Danks (who owns a 3.13 ERA with the ChiSox) for Brandon McCarthy.
Any pitching-related move they make will probably be wrong.
by jjackflash on Jun 13, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give everybody playing time in this series.
Keep the players that have been playing hot, and ease in the players coming back off the DL so not to put too much pressure on them to perform at optimum level. We are not desperate in the case of the Braves, they are a train wreck due to injuries and replacement players playing poorly, so I think this is a sound strategy. Izzy should start every game.
The Braves just lost two in a row to the Cubs including an extra innings game today and then a long trip to LAX from Chicago. They had to use six pitchers in today’s game and they are missing their ace pitcher and closer. The Angels should have no problem at least winning the series against the Braves. Soth should have a good time roster shuffling the next three games while giving all our guys a chance to contribute.
by 44FAN on Jun 12, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moves
Figgins has already been activated, and Brandon Wood returned to SLC. Correct move, IMHO, as Wood needs at-bats every day.
When Aybar returns, Sean Rodriguez should also go back to SLC. Again, in order to continue his development, he should be playing every day. Coming into 2008, I doubt anyone envisioned him getting recalled before September 1st in any event.
When Escobar returns, things get a bit more dicey. The multitude of injuries required the Halos to increase the 40-man roster to 41 (Escobar doesn’t count against the 40 because he is on the 60-day DL). But once activated, someone from the 40-man has to be jettisoned. Candidates for this ignominious fate include the disgraced Chris Bootcheck as well as various and sundry organizational soldiers, including minor league pitchers Alex Serrano and Jeff Kennard. If one believes that those guys actually serve more of a purpose than Bootcheck (the minor league teams need roster filler, too), then Chris gets the boot. I’m not sure he has any option years left, either, and so it might not be possible to send him down (while cutting Kennard or Serrano, for example). But he probably has more value to a major league team than the minor league guys. DFA Bootcheck, and hope that another team is willing to give up a low-level prospect not on the 40-man in exchange for an experienced MLB arm.
Bottom line is that when Escobar returns, someone must be cut from the 40-man. It makes sense to release a fungible arm, rather than a positional player. Hence, it will be Bootcheck, Kennard or Serrano.
by jjackflash on Jun 12, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade
I would trade Juan Rivera if the right deal came along, which would be pretty much any young OF prospect or any pitcher with a live arm.
Rivera is not going to stick around to play 5th OF on the Angels next year and the Angels are not going to get any draft picks for him because he’s going to have about 100 abs combined the last 2 years at this rate. Trade him for something.
by MH252525 on Jun 12, 2008 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if
a deal cannot be worked out? Who do you release?
by jjackflash on Jun 12, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ
I would trade Gary for a bucket of chicken, anything to get rid of that contract. The problem is no one else probably wants it. Rivera trade value is too low because he hasn’t had any playing time since breaking his leg. Rivera/Willits could be the fourth outfielder/DH and if someone get injured Kendry could come up. The Braves could use a centerfielder but they probably don’t want that contract.
by Wittness on Jun 13, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really wanted to move him that bad...
...you could send him away and retain whatever part of his contract liability necessay for the receiving team to agree to take him. See ARod and the original trade deal between Texas and the Yankees.
by Stirrups on Jun 13, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand it's fun to hate on GMJ
And I’m as guilty as the next guy, but he’s currently riding an 8 game hit streak where he’s 15 for 32 (.486). He’s raised his average from .216 to .249 in that span. Sosh dropped him to the lower half of the order and it’s paying off.
Please go away Chris Bootcheck. Your work here is done.
by ReggieBullits on Jun 13, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ain't a GMJ hater.
Does he underperform (based on his contract year)? Yeah. So is he capable of more than he is giving us now? Yeah. Does he go through spurts of goodness? Yeah. Is he much needed a defensive upgrade in the outfield? Absolutely. Could we have paid less for that in that draft? Maybe a little bit less. Is that a reason to declare him a sign of the apocolypse? No friggin’ way.
I still say that when he gets to the tail end of that contract, he will look like a bargain compared to then market rates and value. So if he gets the better of us on the front end, and we get teh better of him on the back end, we break even on salary, and we get a decent player for all that.
by Stirrups on Jun 13, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dig it
The subject of my reply was really meant for Wittness and his notion that GMJ is worthless. I agree with most everything you just said above.
Please go away Chris Bootcheck. Your work here is done.
by ReggieBullits on Jun 13, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moves
Figgins at third and at the top of lineup, ease the Admiral back at shortstop but play the hot hand in Izturis. If the Admiral kind of takes charge at shortstop [like he has done earlier in the year], Izturis is the utility guy who plays every day.
I still have my doubts about Escobar returning. If healthy, he can work his way back in the bullpen with the understanding that if he wants to start, then he is probably really working towards next year [unless Saunders/Santana melt down big time in the second half].
by BBFan1 on Jun 12, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moves/Lineup
Alright…
1) Sweeney Wood is back down in SLC, Figgy is back at third.
2) SRod goes back to SLC when Aybar comes back. Aybar/Izturis platoon, until Aybar can handle the everyday again.
3) Quinlan, Izturis and Mathis go back to the valuable bench.
4) When Escobar comes back, O’Day goes back to SLC, Bootcheck gets DFA’d.
5) Juan Rivera gets traded for 2 minor league pitchers. (This isn’t related… it just needs to happen)
Lineup becomes…
Figgins 3B
Kendrick 2B
Vladdy RF
Torii CF
Kotchman 1B
Anderson DH
Matthews LF
Napoli C
Aybar SS
Chaka Khan... Rally Monkey 2.0
by howiestheman on Jun 12, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
trade rivera for outfield prospects
we have some unbelievable pitching in the minors that r coming along, but we r starting to thin out with outfielders. with GA and rivera up for free agency this year, i believe guerrero is only signed thru 2010 (or is it 2009) that leaves us with hunter and matthews (unless its 2010 for guerrero, then him and matthews approach the end of that year in free agency. by then i believe that vlad will be only really useful as a DH, his legs are gettin bad but he is showing right now that his bat has life.
my hopes:
1.) i’d love to see GA stay after this year, but i fear the angels will let him go because of age and declined performance
2.) vlad’s bat stays potentand they resign him when his contract is up and he stays as DH
3.) matthews will have a contract year in 3 years and hopefully the angels will not have a brain fart and try to resign him because of it.
4.) willits will still be in the fold and we’ll still have a couple more years of torii hunter.
so…........
we trade rivera by the deadline. and grab 2 outfield prospects, cuz we could have awesome pitching for years. and come 2012, our outfield is young, fast, strong, cheap and molded to the angels way of baseball
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on Jun 13, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the people you've listed will get most of the playing time
GA won’t be the everyday dh though
hopefully GMJ will be in the field most of the time
izzy will/should get alot of playing time
i doubt that GA and Kotch will bat back to back very often
it makes it too easy for opposing managers to use their situational lefties
i used to think that sosh was committed to aybar(izzy)/figgy/GMJ batting in a row
but have been proved wrong recently
here’s my lineup with your players (keeping in mind that sosh actually makes the lineup):
figgy
kotch
howie
vlad
GA
big game
GMJ
naps
aybar
i think the only way sosh bats kotch above GA is if it can’t be viewed as a slight to GA
i like GMJ batting in a lower spot as you do
there his power potential makes up for his non-stellar OB%
(he’s been doing much better recently; i won’t mind a plate of crow ala gmj)
i think it will take a large differential in numbers for hunter to bat in front GA also
i believe that politics are not absent in the clubhouse
that’s why our lineups make so much more sense to us
we never have to look an aging star in the face and tell him that he’s not as good as some kid or newcomer
this makes me respect salmon all the more
he was willing to become a dh and bat seventh after we acquired vlad and the psycho
oh well, thanks for giving me something to do on an off-day
other than watch my daughter graduate from eighth grade
which was also nice
but cheering isn’t as fun when there’s no chance to boo (jk)
how do you turn off the italics?
“crow ala gmj” was supposed to be the only italisized portion
no more fancy crap for me
just checked the preview and it seems i somehow turned off the italics
how did i do that?
Who goofed? I've got to know.
by hittheg on Jun 13, 2008 1:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Izzy should get a substantial amount of playing time,
but Scioscia seems to favor Aybar, given his range. As long as his bat comes around again, then i agree with that.
I think we pretty much agree on the players that are starting, though you are also correct that Anderson won’t be the DH full-time. He and Vlad should split that duty… anything that keeps GMJ in the field and out of the hitting only role.
I know Kotch and GA wont hit back to back very often, but as for the situational lefties… Kotch rips up lefties. i dont think that would make a difference.
Besides, i believe that exercise was “if you were in charge, what moves would you make?”
Chaka Khan... Rally Monkey 2.0
by howiestheman on Jun 13, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken, you're right
i forgot the original question by the time i posted
Who goofed? I've got to know.
by hittheg on Jun 14, 2008 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platoon Izzy/Aybar based on *defense*
Play the defensive wiz behind Judy-no-strikeout and Joe Saunders, insert the better hitter against strikeout artists Lackey and Santana, and flip a coin behind Weaver.
by mattwelch on Jun 13, 2008 5:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
against = behind?
Not sure how Izzy and Aybar can bat against Lackey and Santana. ;)
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on Jun 13, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moves
GMJ is waiver-bait. I don’t care if the Angels get a bucket of balls for him, you pull the plug on his contract. He’s not an especially good CF now, and his already bad offense AND defense will decline with age. Worse, he’s blocking Reggie Willits, though you could argue that problem will fix itself after next year, when the Angels kiss Garret Anderson goodbye.
Other than that, I don’t see a lot that the Angels can realistically do. They need some help in the bullpen, but who doesn’t? If the Angels were a piece away from knocking out the Red Sox, I’d say deal Adenhart and Kendry Morales for something or other, but Adenhart has really dropped his stock with his post-callup starts in the minors. The Angels are going to war with the guys they’ve got.
My wife tells the story of how one time she took our dog Hannah to a park nearby the vet’s office after a visit there; as it happens, the park adjoins the farm at Westminster High, and they keep livestock there, cattle in particular. This of course got her hunting instinct up, and she immediately dropped into a crouch and started moving low on the ground as if stalking them. Once she got to the fence separating the rest of the world from the cows, Hannah turned to look at my wife as if to say, “well, you’re big, you’re slow, and you don’t have any teeth to speak of… I guess you’ll do.” That’s kind of how I feel about the Angels relative to the Red Sox these days.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jun 13, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some say GMJ would have caught that HR that Willits missed.
OK. Let’s say he ends up .270 18 80 and plays very good d? Just wondering.
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 13, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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