A New Hope
by cupie on Jun 16, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
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This thread came just a tad too late.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
They might as well just end the game now.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
I know we're not supposed to be overly pessimistic...
But if you’re not dismayed by the way this team is playing right now, you’re simply not paying attention.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
Goodnight guys
we had it close but theres just no way now
I Can See That Lit Up Halo All The Way In AZ.
Nice early commit to the rebound off the wall.
Probably the second thought that came to GA’s mind. The first being “Home run, I guess I will mozy back there and watch it.”
Job security for Willie!
Didn’t anyone tell the Angels that these NL teams are lousy?! TIHS
This is bad Vlad and his band of wimps!
E3????
Kotch made an error? Holy shit, this game is definitely over then.
I wasn’t watching—setting up my daughter’s new computer (graduation present). WTF happened?
Angels fan since '67
Slow ground ball to his right.
He takes a couple of shuffle steps and dives down for the ball…and misses it completely.
We'd better see some lineup changes tomorrow.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
amen to that, but it will only be for one day.
GA won’t start against Santana, and Rivera/Willits won’t get 5 hits, so GA will be back in there on Wednesday.
Whoo, epic meltdown for Jose though.
Welcome to the bigs kid. You are now officially an Angels reliever- long periods of insane awesomeness occasionally interrupted by brief moments of extraordinary suckitude.,
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Extraordinary suckitude?
Castillo got a perfectly placed single, Wright got a double and Kotch made an error.
I was more referring to 4 runs in one inning.
Plus, it was a general observation about the pen in general. Some people’s suckitude will necessaily be worse than others.
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no more excuses about not having players
our offense is terrible and is now affecting our pitching and defense
I'd rather see Willits in LF
time for the monday blow out switch
next inning out comes, juan, willts and q
I'd rather see Willits in LF
At this point I would be happy with a 12-9 loss.
I can already concede the loss, but I would find a moral victory in scoring the 9 runs.
We need a 3 and 4 hitter in this lineup
Someone, anyone explain to me why GA is batting 3rd…c’mon…
This is bad Vlad and his band of wimps!
Just for giggles,
can we try to hit the baseball over that big green fence in the outfield, like other teams get to do?
wow gary has seen more pitches in this at bat
then in his las 10 at bats
I'd rather see Willits in LF
Hey GA, did you see THAT?!?!
Mathis did his job at the bottom end, now you are going to need to do your job at the top end.
I'd go for the HR now, THEN two walks.
That would put us back at the point inthe lineup that started all this success.
For the Love of God, please do NOT hit into any DPs!
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that's what i like to hear
what about the angels lineup….???
by pgh_angelsfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Give in to the Night!
In a world beyond controlling
are you gonna deny the savior
in front of your eyes?
Stare into the night!
Power beyond containing!
Are you gonna remain a slave for
the rest of your life?
Give in to the Night!
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I am hearing the Disneyland fireworks out my window
and I keep getting fooled into thinking that the current batter just hit a HR, and I am behind on my DVR.
WHY IS GA IN THE THREE-HOLE!?
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
just do it, garrett
Still, I wish I was here
by adirondackangelfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:36 PM PDT reply actions
GA GA GA GA GA!!!
Still, I wish I was here
by adirondackangelfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply actions
I LOVE IT WHEN I'M WRONG!
RALLYYYYY MONKEYYY!
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
hit heilman
Still, I wish I was here
by adirondackangelfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:39 PM PDT reply actions
Give in to the Night!
In a world beyond controlling
are you gonna deny the savior
in front of your eyes?
Stare into the night!
Power beyond containing!
Are you gonna remain a slave for
the rest of your life?
Give in to the Night!
~Till the Halo burns out...
It's his helmet.
They are making him keep it clean this year, else be fined. It’s all about the helmet.
I still think it's the hair
but i never even considered the clean helmet
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Jun 16, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I joke about the helmet, BUT
the notice to clubs IS true, and that IS where Vlad keeps his pine tar (he doesn’t wear gloves).
Time for Vlad to pretend he is still a 4 hitter!
C’mon Vlad
OUCH K3YEROUT!
This is bad Vlad and his band of wimps!
Torii, weren't you watching Vlad's at-bat?
Look out for the outside slider!
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
Good AB so far by Torii.
Cash in, big guy!
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
I should shut up.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
dammit!
At least we got 3 out of this inning
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Jun 16, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions
way to let your team down
thats the kind of crap that will never win you a championship
I'd rather see Willits in LF
cupie saw you take that pause
while writin’ that up.
Chart it up! Game on!
Week 11: http://tinyurl.com/5op5n2
whatever, heilman threw some big time pitches
by pgh_angelsfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
we needed some big time hits from our big guys
i dont think that is too much to ask. it not like mathis and wood just Kd
I'd rather see Willits in LF
with runners on the conners and one out down by two
i do not expect back to back strikeouts
I'd rather see Willits in LF
really?
you dont care if they win or not. i am with you. i would rather seen them make some sort of a comeback then nothing at all. all i am saying is that when that comeback is happening it is a little frustrating when your big guns kill hit with back to back k’s i dont think that is unreasonable
I'd rather see Willits in LF
We do better when people aren't calling for homers.
Call for singles. We seem to do well when we do that.
~Till the Halo burns out...
I count one walk and four singles.
The SIngles seem more important. Though the 12 pitch BB was pretty freaking epic.
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I would personally donate $1000 if every Halo settled for a single through one time in the order.
9 straight base hits in one inning. $1000 to the charity of choice.
Anyone else notice that Figgy is taking trips to the mound more often?
What do you guys make of that?
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I guess he has lots of lost time to make up for.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
he's a savvy veteran now
full of advice for our pitchers.
also, didn’t he used to catch at some level?
by pgh_angelsfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Where's those come from behind Angels we know and love from yesteryear?
We need ‘em now.
The internet destabilizes every hierarchy it contacts.
2 of those guys need to join the Angels hit parade
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Jun 16, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Panther.
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by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The rally isn't meant to be, apparently.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
That was a really dumb play.
GMJ got duped bad.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
Well, by my count--given all the errors, and the ump's bad call,
We’re actually winning this game 7-6.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Just out of curiousity, what's the rating on the awesomeness of this game
if we actually do come back and win? Scale of 1-10.
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You need to remain positive. For example:
“That was a brilliant example of intelligent baserunning on the part of Reyes.”
or
“Reyes showed the Angels just how use his head on the basepaths.”
or
“National League baseball is sure a nice style the Halos would do well to imitate.”
or
“Reyes totally pwnd the Angels tonight. We gotta long couple of days ahead of us.”
Angels vs Wagner for the 3-run save.
Whose run of awfulness will end first?
(My money’s on Wagner).
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I am done with HGH...
fine, you can barely hit .250, but you cannot pull a boner in the outfield like that.
I was really hoping I was wrong.
Man, he really nailed it though. Too bad.
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let me explain baseball to you guys
This is a game played by two teams, one out the other in. The one
that’s in, sends players out one at a time, to see if they can get in
before they get out. If they get out before they get in, they come
in, but it doesn’t count. If they get in before they get out it does count.
When the ones out get three outs from the ones in before they get in
without being out, the team that’s out comes in and the team in goes
out to get those going in out before they get in without being out.
When both teams have been in and out nine times the game is over. The
team with the most in without being out before coming in wins unless
the ones in are equal. In which case, the last ones in go out to get
the ones in out before they get in without being out.
The game will end when each team has the same number of in’s out but
one team has more in without being out before coming in.
LMAO
David was watching Cubs vs Dodgers…Hu was on first
http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=464341
I emailed this to my English wife ...
... and a few of my other British friends. It was fun to watch their heads explode.
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jun 17, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Darn this team for making me have hope!
RALLY TIME!
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions
for the love of God, go GA!!
Still, I wish I was here
by adirondackangelfan on Jun 16, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions
GA, that was SO unclutch.
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by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 10:19 PM PDT reply actions
Almost had a 3/4 hitter sighting
Or not…just another Halo loss! :((
This is bad Vlad and his band of wimps!
that 1-0 pich was no where near the strikezone,
Wagner has been struggling horribly with his command, GA is not hitting for power and he’s given a green light.
when GA is being a complete black hole
and Wagner has been struggling to find the strikezone tonight and in the recent past, I think it’s an easy take
I think you if you swing and nail the sucker
then it’s hard to blame the hitter. Poor luck on a LD. It sucks but that’s all it is.
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he had a sac fly and a single
if he was going for a homer or something maybe… but GA doesn’t have a homer against a LHP all year, he takes a pitch, he has a much better shot of just getting on base, and he’s still in a hitters count.
Or he hits a single and it's 2 runs down, with our best hitter up, 2 men on.
You can’t just hope the other team does all the work for you. It was a good pitch to swing at, and he nailed it. Asking guys to take pitches like that is asking them to fail.
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It was grooved down the plate. Nice fastball. Sweet location.
So GA does what he does best: pulls his lead foot and steps in the bucket, cutting his power and pulling his hands through the swing. He inside outs a weak line drive to SS. If he steps AT the pitcher, he uses his power to drive through the fastball. That ball goes to the outfield, between the gaps. It’s gapper at least, HR at best, warning track at worst.
other side of the coin
if he swings at it worse, he pokes it into left field for a hit. no bitching from HH.
We have seen him swing at it worse. That's GIDP time.
But this isn’t one of those one-in-a-million chances. It’s what he does habitually. He got away with it when he was younger. he needs to start playing SMARTER now that his natural physical skills are diminishing. If he is going to insist on a roster spot, he owes that much to his teammates. Stop stepping into the bucket and regain some of that power he is bleeding in his old age. His hands are still great, and he had one of the best pitches to hit all night. Gotta do better in that situation.
I would argue that the principle failures of this game were
1. Defense
2. Weaver
3. Relief pitching
4. Baserunning
5. Vlad and Hunter in the 7th.
As situational exploits go, GA smacking a line-drive that happens to result in an unlucky DP comes in a distant 6th, if that.
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I ain't implying otherwise.
Although I would put baserunning higher up the list.
I just am saying that I just watched that pitch over and over and over again on my DVR, and it was not as brilliant of a stroke as you guys think it was.
not a "brilliant stroke"
but certainly not the weak GIDP we’ve seen him knock into. all i was saying is that if you’re looking to place blame, Zu’s list is far higher than a less-than-adequate AB by Garret.
Neither of us is saying brilliant
we just reject it as being the “auto-wrong” call.
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Good. Cuz it wasn't brilliant.
Not anywhere close to BOTG, but he got to see the sweetest pitch offered up by any Mets pitcher all night, and he took himself out of his own swing. It sounded good. It looked good. It sounded good. It seemed good. But it could have been great with just the slightest adjustment.
Eh.
GD puts it on the outer half, with a hard break back towards GA. Little less break and it’s the perfect swing for the ball, which would be totally unpullable. In the space of a hundredth of a second, GA chose to go for the likely hit rather than winner-take-all gamble. Such is baseball.
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Base hit was all he was trying for.
It just didn’t work. He guessed an inch too far to the outer half. :-P
Anyway, we can quibble on the exact nature of whether he swung the right way or not. My original point was (I think) that swinging in general was a good call in that situation.
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It was a good call.
2-0 is a hitters count.
That pitch was perfect for attacking. If you are not going to swing at something that meaty, what are you doing? I understand the point of “take a strike”. But complaining afterwards about not taking that approach is only valid if the pitch GA swings at was a ball. It was not. Had he not swung, he would have had his strike. The count would be 2-1 and he would have already seen the best pitch of his at-bat, and perhaps the only mistake from the pitcher that he will see at all. It wasn’t like that pitch was iffy. It was meat. Raw, red, perfect meat. The only guy whose job it is to stand there and look at something so ideal is Willits.
exactly, you give a hitter a green light 2-0 if he's going to hit a 3 run homer
not put a Rod Carew opposite field single swing on it
Opposite field single worked better than 3-run homers in our rally inning.
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HK lead off with an opposite field single and that was it in the 3 run rally
GA can’t get an opposite field single on a 2-1 pitch. That 1-0 pitch by Wagner showed he had little command, and the Angels should have been forcing him to throw more pitches because of that.
So that's one opposite-field single to zero homers.
Explain how my statement was inaccurate.
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gross assumptions
and bizarre strategy. the way to knock in runs is to hit the ball, not hope for a walk when the count is only 2-0.
He MIGHT get a single at 2-1.
But that’s no reason to decide “take” at 2-0. You swing if it’s a meatball in the zone, and it was. If it wasn’t GA doesn’t swing.
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that's interesting. Carew's a HOF-er
i wanna hear what you have to say when the Angels walk off on a slap single. are you going to criticize it because it wasn’t a blast to the gap?
they were 3 runs down
A slap single to left does the exact same thing as a walk, with Wagner was trying to dole out.
A slap single to left scores Figgins from second.
I’ll bet on that every time. A walk is a theoretical non-entity. Wagner had walked Figgins in a 7 pitch AB. There is ZERO evidence that a walk was forthcoming to Anderson with Vlad on deck. Fact is Wagner WAS wild, and that made his pitch to GA the regain-command meatball pitch. You freaking swing at that pitch and hit it on the screws, you made the right decision, every time. It’s the best pitch you’ll get a shot at, period.
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Theory
saying that the 2-0 pitch is the best one GA is going to see is more theoretical than myself saying GA has better chance of just getting on base if he takes the 2-0 pitch. You admit Wagner was wild which would indicate his chances of walking a batter are greater than normal and should he throw a 2-0 strike he is still pretty likely to throw another “meatball” based on his admitted wildness.
Wagner was wild
but he’s also a guy with 300+ career saves. Hoping that his nerves spontaneously break down at this point is a little over the top. He “might” throw a meatball. He “might” not. My point is, he DID throw THAT meatball, and GA did what you’re supposed to do in that situation, i.e. not try to do too much, hit it on the screws for single. Bad luck makes it a double play. It’s still the right call, or failing that, a good call, not deserving the kind of scorn you’re dishing out.
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and GA is going to end his career not even having HALF the walks Carew had.
With that game situation and they type of hitter Carew was I’d bet my bottom dollar he’d be taking a pitch after seeing him walk a guy 3 runs up and nearly throwing one to the backstop
you have no idea what Carew would do
you’re just making it up to “support” your argument, which is weak at best
you both are arguing the wrong point
although GA game ending double play was super lame, and kinda what we have come to expect, there were blunders far greater than GA’s
I'd rather see Willits in LF
Weaver gave up a ton of extra base hits
Arredondo gave up one, and a perfectly placed single by Castillo
I'd better read about a team meeting in the paper tomorrow.
The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!
by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions
because they know Soth would never dare retaliate, the Mets must have watched the past couple postseasons
and watched the Red Sox show up the Angels and Mike stand by doing nothing about it
the Red Sox are the f'ing worst...
at pleasing themselves on our field.
We need some pitchers with balls of their own to put an end to this.
You know
I actually feel pretty good about this one. We didn’t win, but that was mostly because of mistakes we made. But we showed we still can get it done. Our offense IS getting better- they just need to calm it down and make smarter plays.
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I think their offense is improving but.
the two biggest ABs of the game, Vlad and Torii came out of their shoes to swing at complete crap
Yeah
but that isn’t what lost us the game. There were three UER in this one (if you count the Juice-Reyes run as an error). Better D means we’re tied in extras. Like I said though, more than that, we were really hitting well this game. Two seperate innings we were putting the screws to the ball getting some clutch hits. Our running was off, but we can fix that. Big thing is the bats are starting to come around.
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Hawt.
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by cardinalwraith on Jun 16, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What's up with Gubbie's hair on Angel's Live?
Looks like he may have hit into a double play with Lindsay before going on air.
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