Chone Figgins: Angels Lifer?
by Rev Halofan on Jun 22, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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Chone Figgins has been back for 9 games. The Angels have gone 5-4 in that stretch. Figgy is a respectable 15 for 38 with 5 BB, 2 RBI and 5 runs scored (each run scored in separate games, there are no blow-out pile-ons here). His defense at 3rd has been just fine. While Vladimir Guerrero has reportedly been feeling healthier in the past few weeks, the return of Figgy has to be seen as something other than coincidental to Vlad’s recent power surge.
So, as we start to roll, and consider that our organizational depth at 3B has been revealed as Robb Quinlan and the not-ready for prime-time Brandon Wood, the Million Dollar question arises: Should the Angels attempt to re-sign Chone Figgins? He is a free agent His contract ends at the end of the year and it APPEARS that the Angels have him under club control for 2009. Since he is beginning to show a deeper value to the fabric of the team than many if us may have ever given him credit for (although he seems to be simply living up to the expectations Scioscia and company always have held), his agent will likely have the upper hand in any negotiations this off-season should the Angels attempt to avoid the open market bidding of free agency.
In an age when Juan Pierre gets $50 million over 5 years, what will it cost for the Angels to get Figgy with it? And... should they?
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If he's still batting .300+ with a .400-ish OBP by the year's end
then HELL FUCKING YES you better break the damn bank.
Leadoff hitters like that are really hard to find, and Erick Aybar is not the solution. (Maicer might be if he could learn how to hit before June, and stop getting injured all the time.)
Figgy can always move to left to fill in for Garret (Juice can sit on the bench for all I care) if Wood turns the corner.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jun 22, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im with you zoo
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that. :-[
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 22, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Figgins will be a FA
It doesn’t look like he has enough service time
Get rid of Quinlan
by edhoo on Jun 22, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how many years do you need?
the man was around during the WS year….....and that almost seems like a decade ago….......
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need 6 years of service time to become a FA
Get rid of Quinlan
by edhoo on Jun 22, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so after this year...............that gives him 6 with us does it not?
because he was with the tigers before us anyways…....
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess the 2002 season doesnt count for him........if you see below.....he has one more year before being a FA
and he’s making decent money this year too….....and even more next…....its gonna take some Cash to keep him.
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, after this year.
2003, 4, 5, 6 7, 8. 6 years. 2002 doesn’t count.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jun 22, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the winner is
2008
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim.html
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that. :-[
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 22, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd try... And the winner is.... 2009!
Though figgins contract ends in 2008, he is not a 2009 free agent. I think.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2008-09-free-agents.html
Which is, of course, what this post said originally!
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that. :-[
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 23, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has never played for another major league team other then the Angels
Get rid of Quinlan
by edhoo on Jun 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah caught that.......he was in the minors for the tigers...
we got him for Bartee…....lol…....nice rip off…....for US!
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno why i keep saying tigers..........
the rockies….......was the team….....i got the kitties in my brain.
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you are male...
we always have cat on the mind.
"At some point, a veteran player will more often than not find his stroke. You just have to show them a little bit of patience."
by Downing Rules on Jun 23, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say keep the man..........
There will always be a place somewhere for Figgy….....whether it be 3rd, SS, OF…...whereever…......keep him…....pay him….....if anything hes a great insurance policy…..but i would only give him a 3-4 year deal…......
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JUST FOUND OUT ON WIKI...........
it says he is eligible for FA “AFTER” the 09
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but his contract does run out after THIS coming up year
i root for teams that lack offense! go halos and bills!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 years/$24 million ain't gonna cut it
we’ve already got a guy on the team making that.
His name is Justin Speier.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jun 22, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno though
Now that I think about it, Figgy is 30 this year. That makes him 31 next year, and 32 in 2010. Speed-only guys tend to decline faster than other players, with Ichiro being an obvious exception. Question is, even if we do think Figgins has transformed into Ichiro, do we pay Figgins Ichiro money? 5 years, 90 Million? Or something less than that?
I’d say we try to sign him to a four year deal this offseason for Juan Pierre/ Juice money and see what happens. If he says no, he may not be worth what he’ll cost. Then again, with a .400 OBP, he might be. I dunno.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jun 22, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way in hell he gets Ichiro money
he doesn’t have Ichiro’s track record.
But 4/24 is a lowball as much as Ichiro-money is an overpayment. Pierre money sounds fair, to be honest…fact is that if you want to keep a guy these days, you have to overpay…we just have to be careful that we don’t rewrite the definition of overpaying.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jun 23, 2008 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make him a Lifer
Chone could be the next Mr Angel
Do you have a moment to hear about the Church of Fregosi?
by HaloDutch on Jun 22, 2008 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we'll see. He aint young
for a guy who relies so heavily on his speed, are you comfortable watching him lead off when hes 36? then again, i dont think wood really instilled any confidence in anyone yet so who knows.
i love chone, but theyd have to be REALLY sure hes gonna be worth it all those years.
if aybar really comes on in the 2nd half, it would make reagins’ decision pretty tough.
its hard but you cant resign everyone. we’re gonna have older vlad and torii to deal with, try to re-sign lackey next year and eventually howie and kotchman.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jun 22, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say the starting point is 5 yr 50 million
OBP, Sb’s, and the guy can play ANYWHERE. OK, I don’t know if he can pitch.
Angels Defense. Angels Pitching. Get past that. :-[
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 22, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i say that since have him under control for next year...
we let him pay LF, so as to not block Wood any longer. or we put him at 2B and stick Howie in LF… (i think Howie’s built for 3B or the outfield, but that’s just my opinion.)
anyway, we’ll see how the speed/stats hold up, and if he begins a decline, then we let him go.
i’d only be willing to keep him around til he’s 33, maybe 34 – but only if there’s no big decline.
we still need to figure out how to get Kendry in the lineup, and i think thats going to take the outfield/DH slot, which is being blocked next year by perhaps figgins and definately HGH.
man… that guy can be a huge asset to this team, but he never gets the chance.
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by howiestheman on Jun 22, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
leadoff man/leadership man
not only is desmond a great lead off batter, his tenure with the team is sure to translate into leadership for alot of younger guys on the squad.
by Of Angels and Angles on Jun 22, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
im saying keep figgy trade krod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo
by ANewFoundThrice on Jun 22, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Angels could still use a big power bat.
I think Figgy is a great player, but I have no special attachment to him. I think Reggie Willits could become a perfectly adequate, and maybe really good, lead-off hitter if he got to play everyday. His defense is already good as is his plate discipline, he draws walks, and hitting would certainly improve with regular at bats. Replacing GA with Reggie in the outfield would be more economical, then trade or let Figgy walk, and work a deal for a power hitting third baseman that became available. Losing GA and Figgy’s salaries could justify and provide high dollars for a slugger and open up the third base position for a David Wright type hitter.
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by 44FAN on Jun 22, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with the assessment of reggie
i know we all become attached to different players, but extending most players until they retire not only blocks numerous prospects, it also normally works against the team. (see GA)
if you can have somebody younger and cheaper than can do the same job, then you go with the younger guy, but only if you’re sure he can handle the role.
Chaka Khan... Rally Monkey 2.0
by howiestheman on Jun 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with GA
is mainly that he blocked Willits, and his performance offensively in left has really tailed off this year.
I would be totally happy with Willits as the starting LF next year.
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by scareduck on Jun 23, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be interesting to see how we spend our money
if GA is gone, garland leaves, rivera leaves, and we dont re-sign krod, that is 38.6 million off this year’s payroll.
Thatd leave us at 80 million dollars of comitted payroll for next year before arbitration.
but wed still have lackey and vlad to extend so i doubt we’ll be a play in free agency. it will be nice to have our own 1st round pick for a change
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jun 22, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess
i bet we re-sign Garland 3/30. No sure thing Escobar stays healthy enough to pitch FT as a SP in 2009.
Rivera leaves (that’s easy). GA too (even easier).
No idea about K-Rod. It depends on him. He’ll get big-time offers from several teams, including us. S it depends on if he wants to stay. I say he goes if a big market team like the Mets gets involved.
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Jun 23, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We better not resign Garland
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
by hauldog on Jun 23, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i tend to agree
but i don’t know. for the right price, he might not be a bad option for a few years…we could always trade him a year into the contract assuming he’s not signed for too much. SP depth is always a great thing to have. I’m not sold Adenhart is ready next year. Nor am i sold that Escobar can come back and be healthy for 30+ starts in 2009.
Garland is just a tough call. Preferably, he does well this year, therby increasing his FA type status (from B to A) and he signs somewhere else giving us some prime draft picks next year. But i have a feeling he’ll give a home town discount and the angels sign him for 3 yrs at 30-34 (i wouldn’t, but i think they will).
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Jun 23, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may not be a bad idea
Assuming the 3/30 is a viable option. SP depth is a plus to have on your side as this season has already confirmed. IF he continues to pitch with an era @4.0 – he is agreat option to have around and a pretty good 5th starter.
If Adenhart rises to fame or Myspace proves he can stay healthy, there will always be (emphasis on always) teams that need pitching by the trade deadline. I cant imagine he would be that hard to move barring a meltdown.
Outfielders For Sale.
by gorams77 on Jun 23, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let him playout his time here
he’ll get a good amount in 09 thru arbitration. He’ll be extremely motivated to have a great year too with FA looming. Let him play 3B thru 2009. No use extending him. By the end of 2009 either Wood will be ready (for 2010), another prospect will show up or we find a tru big-bat FA.
Let Figgy leave via FA after the 2009 year and get some good draft picks. He’ll be turning 32 during the 2010 year….and if he’s given a 4 year contract then he’ll be 36 at the end. Not worth it for a guy who plays out of position. We need power.
Aybar will be a perfect leadoff guy come 2010.
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Jun 23, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aybar
will NEVER be a good leadoff hitter with his walk rate. Don’t come here with idiocy.
If you said Willits would be a good leadoff hitter in 2010 – I’d be praising you – but not that tripe about Aybar. The kid has his uses – batting leadoff isn’t one of them.
by jimmuscomp on Jun 23, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what did you think about Figgins years ago?
i’m sure you knew he’d be a great leadoff hitter and develop decent defense. Come on, idiocy is one who uses the word “never”—even more so, one who does it in CAPS.
Before the season people wanted Santana gone for a bag of balls. Shields was left for dead in the 2nd half last year. People are saying Wood at age 22 will never amount to anything. Glad we have REAL baseball men in our FO rather than goofball internet fans.
How about telling me the lotto numbers Wedseday or the Super Bowl winner the next 10 years so i can take this sure thing that is your brain to the bank.
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lifer
Chone should be an Angel forever simply for the cheesy work he does with Angel giveaway promos. Wasn’t he serving hotdogs for fans in an ad last year. The guy can’t keep a straight face. He’s like the Dave Grohl of MLB.
by Chris Knapp's Sac on Jun 23, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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