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What Ken Rosenthal is saying about the Angels and a possible trade

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i have listed a link below to an article about the Angels and possible trades from fox sports .  not sure how i feel about this.  i know we need a little help but i hate to trade away our future.  i have no problem getting rid of Gary Matthews but i feel we should not give up on our young guys. 

Frank Sinatra was on an episode of Magnum PI last night

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8304910?MSNHPHMA

 

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Can we get Holiday AND Atkins? Depending on the package we give up (I’m thinking Weaver, Matthews, Aybar [wishful thinking] maybe substitute Chone for Aybar) I believe it would make us a serious contender for the WS.

Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!

by anaheimisnotla on Jul 2, 2008 9:00 AM PDT   0 recs

NTC!

Matthews has a NTC that Kenny-boy either forgot or doesn’t know about. Hard pressed to think GMJ will waive it

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 2, 2008 9:03 AM PDT   0 recs

It was mentioned

in the article. His thought was he might allow a trade for a chance to play everyday.

Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!

by anaheimisnotla on Jul 2, 2008 9:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

GMJ out - Holliday in

First of all Rosenthal cites Ringlosby as his source, so it could be legit.

2nd, we know GMJ has a no trade thru 2009, but if he had a chance to play everyday in Colorado and fatten up his numbers, or be buried on the bench, I think he would go. Also, we would probably have to pay A LOT of his contract, like 80% or so.

HK47, GMJ, Adenhart, + some other pitcher (maybe reliever), maybe another prospect, and it could get done. The Rockies won’t be able to get the monster package, since no way a Boras client extends.

Also, yes Holliday is much worse on the road, and in the NL no less, BUT I think he could be a pretty decent corner OF for us in the AL, just be aware he won’t put up those monster Coors numbers. Even if his numbers are 20% less, that would still help eh?

by elricsi on Jul 2, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I certainly agree he'd top GMJ

I’m all for finding a way that rids us of GMJ. I just wouldn’t give up too much in players/prospects and pay most GMJ’s contract thinking we’d be getting a superstar who turns out to be merely good. I’d call it Torii Hunter Part Two or Mo Vaugh: The Sequel.

by snowhor on Jul 2, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No Trade Clause

Dude, GMJ is PLAYING everyday. Why would he waive this clause in favor of more playing time when he’s not exactly riding the pine here?

by tbone_cutter on Jul 2, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On the plus side, however

his road numbers have been improving greatly the last few years…for the career there is still a HUGE discrepancy, but the guy can still put up a high-800, low-900 OPS for a team like our’s.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 4, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the escobar re-injury...

probably puts a big wrench in a potential trade. no longer have the ability to trade away a SP like Weaver.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jul 2, 2008 9:08 AM PDT   0 recs

They wouldn't trade Weaver anyway.

A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Jul 2, 2008 9:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

they would/should if it meant one of

weaver, Santana, Saunders. Weaver is the worst of the 3 and most expensive and most likely to have peaked.

I’d use Weaver in a trade for a big bat in a second.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jul 2, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last time I checked, they all make $425,000.

It would be idiotic to trade any of our starters before the deadline with 2+ months to play, considering how poor our offense has been and will be the rest of the season. Our only hope is to have our starters go 6-7 innings deep every night and pray we can “manufacturer” runs to hold on for our bullpen. I would rather package Brandon “K” Wood, Nick Adenhart (who is still probably a mirage to poor scouting departments), and Rivera/Quinlan, etc for a decent bat.

A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Jul 2, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but Weaver i think

has one more year of service time in the leagues than Saunders…and possibly Santana too. that’s what i meant by more expensive (less years to arbitration & FA).

i agree trading a starter now if foolish. that’s why i said Escobars injury put a wrench in any potential big trade. if he stayed healthy and could come back, then it would enable use to trade a SP—which Colorado is SURE to request in a trade. Adenhart is not the kind of SP they will want as a main piece in return. A prospect like David Price in Tampa will, but not Adenhart.

I’d like to trade wood, Rivera, etc. too for a bat—but that’s not going to get much….certainly not much more of a bat over what we currently have. Other teams don’t just give away prime hitters.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jul 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Weaver is the shortest tenured professional pitcher of the trio.

Weaver has 2 years of professional experience, and is on his third. He pitched lights out his freshman year, and was mediocre at best his second year. This year he is average to plus average: a solid three-spot starter, where we expected him to be.

Saunders has been pitching up and down for 3 years and has not yet pitched a full season or even consistently enough (save this season) to be considered a full-time MLB player.

Santana has been around for 3 years up-and-down on the major league roster, but this is his second full campaign.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Er...Weaver was better last year than he is this year.

At least in terms of ERA

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And actually ERA DOES matter

Prop heads

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 4, 2008 5:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

interesting

i still doubt that anything is going to happen, because…. it’s us.

but still, very interesting

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 2, 2008 9:18 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't really like the idea of getting Holliday

His stats this year indicate that he’s a different player in Coors Field and on the road. We should watch out for players who’s stats are inflated by their home ballparks.

by snowhor on Jul 2, 2008 9:20 AM PDT   0 recs

too many outfielders

shouldn’t we look toward atkins or crede to shore up third base? maybe even get cabrera back from the chisox along with crede.

When I was up at bat, there was always someone in scoring position, and that someone was me. -Reggie Jackson

by sepulveda on Jul 2, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

As far as we know

Figgins is locked in at the starting 3B position.

A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Jul 2, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Sox are riding high...

why would they trade anyone at this point in time?

Scioscia Says: "There are some hitters that need to start to see more pitches and work some counts, but there are guys that are more productive seeing that fastball and squaring it up. There are different solutions to each hitter and that's what you're working for. There's no pill you give to the whole team and have them all of sudden get into your offense."

by Downing Rules on Jul 2, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well...

our infield is good.
our outfield is bad.
why would we replace our infield when half our outfield stinks?

my bad...k-rod is good.

by NoDakHalo on Jul 2, 2008 9:35 AM PDT   0 recs

Agreed.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 2, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

his limitations with the Angels are by design of the Halo front office. He does have information on other clubs, but I would be leary believing anyone other than Tony of Arte when it comes to moves. Last time I checked, neither of them are talking!

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 2, 2008 9:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You can

add Whicker and Bisheff to that list as well. I thank Al Gore every day for inventing the internet so I have sources other than them for Halo news.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 2, 2008 9:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

God Bless Al Gore

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 3, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if by "bless" you mean "curse and destroy"

then you’re absolutely right

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 12:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Internet Porn man

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 3, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hahahahaha

point taken

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 2:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Look at what he talks about and what happens.

Often times his rumors do not jive with others

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 2, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

zero

But it ain’t me claiming to know who “the Angels are looking for” in a trade. What’s more, because I follow the Angels very closely as a fan, I know enough to know that the very concept of, say, chasing after Mark Teixeira (sic) THIS YEAR (which Robothal reported not long ago) is totally, 100% whack.

Also, because you asked so sweetly, please note the phrase “never had the impression”—it connotes a certain amount of personal limitation, does it not? Kind of the opposite of me claiming some superior inside knowledge. If Robothal had a track record of guessing correctly on Angels trades, that’d be another thing altogether. But he doesn’t, and no amount of sniffing his jock will change that.

by mattwelch on Jul 2, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow!

I mean, just wow. Welcome to your own personal shit show.

Touch'em all

by THE VOICE on Jul 2, 2008 9:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Career Home/Road splits

Atkins
Home: .337/.396/.531
Road: .268/.335/.428

Quinlan:
Home: .291/.333/.415
Road: .285/.332/.435

This provides an interesting perspective: on the road, Atkins and Quinlan’s BA/OBP/SLG are very comparable. I think most people would find that surprising.

Holliday
Home: .363/.427/.656
Road: .277/.340/.450

Juan Rivera
Home: .290/.343/.473
Road: .282/.328/.454

Again, I think people wouldn’t have expected JR to outslug Holliday on the road.

I am not suggesting Quinlan and Rivera are the answers. I am concerned that the Coors Field effect is overvaluing Atkins and Holliday.

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM PDT   0 recs

nice homework...

these deals are not going to get done anyway, the angels have been adamant about that.

Scioscia Says: "There are some hitters that need to start to see more pitches and work some counts, but there are guys that are more productive seeing that fastball and squaring it up. There are different solutions to each hitter and that's what you're working for. There's no pill you give to the whole team and have them all of sudden get into your offense."

by Downing Rules on Jul 2, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still say Juan is the guy we should be replacing one of our outfielders with.

Holliday seems nice, but I worry about the whole NL-AL switch and all.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 2, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Holliday play 3B anymore?

We should just move Figgy to short, put Holliday at 3rd, and put the Aybar/Izturis non sense on the bench. Wishful thinking I guess.

A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Jul 2, 2008 3:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably not very well.

Certainly not like Figgy has played it this season.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 2, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Figgins hasn't played a game at shortstop in the last two years

He’s got a gun of an arm and the position suits him better than 3B.

However, Desmond’s appearances at shortstop for the Angels have been sporadic at best (Orlando Cabrera’s durability had something to do with that). Here’s a breakdown on DeChone’s defensive production at SS since 2002.

  • Has appeared in 27 games as SS, starting 17 of those, playing a total of 150 innings as an Angel shortstop
  • During that time, Desmond has 83 total chances as an SS, including 47 assists (the key factor regarding SSs) and has factored in 10 double plays as the SS.
  • And he has booted only 4 balls as an Angel SS, none since 2004.

I wouldn’t hesitate to put Desmond in the 6 position.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 4, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would. Main problem is he hasn't played short in a long time,

and Izturis + Aybar has been godly on defense. I’m convinced that half the reason Joe, Lackey, and Garland have the numbers they do is that our infield defense is the best in baseball. Moving Figgins over to short, where he hasn’t played in a while, and Holliday into third, where he hasn’t played in a while and was never that good to begin with, might very well be self-canceling. Our offensive increase in production would be entirely offset by the decrease in defensive prowess.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 4, 2008 5:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Was assuming that Atkins would be part of the deal

I wouldn’t like a left side of the infield that had Holliday (3B) and Figgins (SS) myself. But I could live with Desmond at short if Atkins was the 3B.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 4, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The amound of talent it would cost us to get Atkins AND Holliday

would probably drop us out of contention by itself. And Atkins away splits are even more terrifying than Holliday’s.

Atkins has been nothing special. Somewhere between Q and Wood, but with more errors (9 on the season. Chone has ONE).

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 4, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait, what!?! Please tell me you're joking!

Ol’ Blue Eyes was on Magnum last night, and I missed it? Man I wish I hadn’t wasted my F-bomb.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Jul 2, 2008 6:01 PM PDT   0 recs

hmm

while this has about a 0% chance of happening, its interesting to think what we could do.

I would be fine with:

Weaver
Adenhart
Wood
Willits

for Matt Holliday

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 2, 2008 6:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

Not only that – I agree with Zu about the possibility of Holiday just being “ok” when outside of Coors on a perm basis.

On a side note – isnt Weave more of a fly ball out then ground ball pitcher? Not good in CO…

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 2, 2008 11:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, Weave is just a shite pitcher

Agreed though, still not good in CO. His haircut would fit in fine though.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 3, 2008 7:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

im thinking in the mindset that

we’ve always waited too long for prospects to the point where they no longer have value.

i dont expect anyone to agree with it, i just personally dont see brandon wood panning out, i think weaver is a marginal pitcher, willits is a nonfactor for the angels, and once again, just me, i think adenhart is overrated. I dont think he or wood makes an impact on this team til at the least 2010 and even then i dont see it living up to what people expect.

also, the way this team is constructed is with hopes of winning a title NOW as in this year or next year. After that, you have old and useless hunter and guererros, an aging lackey, possibly no frankie etc etc etc.

basically, the way oakland and texas are building, theres no reason not to think we’d be the 2nd best team in this division even if we didnt make this trade.

so,

i feel holliday would give us the best chance to win a championship. thats just me, id rather win a world series and deal with 2 or 3 down years than just be good enough to make or compete for the playoffs in 2-3 years.

but thats just me, i actually enjoy titles.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So, at 33, a player becomes old/useless. That's a new one.

Meanwhile, we have Oakland and Texas who are building with, um… what again? Texas still has no pitching. Oakland has zero intimidating offensive prospects. What am I supposed to be afraid of, exactly?

Then we have “waited for prospects too long.” Like… who? D-Mac we didn’t “wait” on, so much as kept for ourselves. He turned into bust due to his injuries, but when healthy it always struck me as smart. Santana we held onto long enough for him to turn into an Ace pitcher. Same with Joe Saunders. Weaver’s still a decent starter, and he’s still young. We held on to Kotch and Kendrick long enough for them to become everyday guys.

I guess we’re left with Aybar and Mathis, though Aybar you could make the case for still having considerable trade value. Morales we’ve held onto a while, though that’s partially because there doesn’t seem to be a ton of interest in him. Anybody else?

As for Holliday giving us a better chance to win the world series, justify that one for me. If we lose Weaver, we’re almost taking an auto-loss every 5th game, with heavy strain on our relievers. Holliday would be making the NL-AL transition, and moving from a park that likes hitters to a park that doesn’t.

Giving Juan Rivera real playing time sacrifices nothing that the Holliday trade would cost us, but yields the same potential return.

Moving to the subject of titles though: how many mid-season trades did we make in 2002 again? Also, our record in ‘02 through 85 games: 50-35.

The best way to get titles is to make it to the postseason, each year, every year. There is no silver bullet, there are no guarantees when it comes to the playoffs. The best formula for making it every year is good pitching.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you can't compare the '02 team to this team

not even close.
the ‘02 team knew how to hit and score runs. this team does not.

and while i do believe RIvera (especially lately) deserves more playing time, i don’t think he has the same potential as Holliday. While Coors definitely helps Holliday out, hes still a very good player entering his prime. Rivera is only 30, but he may be at his peak and/or backside of his prime years.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He appears to be a better player because of A) Coors and B) the NL

In all likelihood, his superiority over what Rivera brings to the table is negligible at best.

The 2002 team was better at blowing people out mostly, and got better production out of its replacement starters. In terms of the actual talent of the hitting squads, I actually think the 2008 version is better than the 2002 version. Certainly it would be if Rivera were playing over GMJ.

This team does know how to hit and score runs though, and since Figgins got back, they’ve mostly been doing so, with a notable 4 game gap where no-one hit anything. (I personally wonder though, if that wasn’t everybody else catching what Vlad got in Washington.)

Certainly, this team has been just as good at winning games as that one, even if they don’t outscore their opponents by a jillion runs every time.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree to disagree

only on this board will you hear juan rivera = matt holliday. If he didnt hit a home run yesterday i dont even think you would say that.

I personally dont see how it would be so unfathomable to replace a 4.30 era that is currently 7-8, but to each their own.

I also see no value in willits, and at this point, im sure no other clubs look at him as highly as they and we did last season.

brandon wood, in my opinion, looks more richie sexson to me than adam dunn and half the people here even hate adam dunn. Dunn at least has the great OBP to outweight the K’s.

Could i be wrong? Absolutely. I hope I am wrong.

I just dont see the apparent absurdity of trading for a proven commodity. You can say Coors field blah blah all you want, but he’s better than anyone in our lineup.

But I guess the fantasy of all our prospects becoming superstars is more appealing to most people here than actually HAVING a superstar.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ha!

well said

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We have a superstar

His name is Vlad. He is twice the hitter Holliday is, was and ever will be.

But believe what you want. After all, trading for an NL “superstar” did wonders for Detroit didn’t it?

Some of us still remember what happens when you make retarded trades for overrated players. The first 40 years of Angel history are filled with such examples. There weren’t a lot of-what was it you claimed to value again? Oh yes-TITLES, but there were LOTS of stupid, worthless trades.

Every year there’s someone we’re supposed to go out and get. Couple years ago it was Miguel Tejada for Ervin Santana and Erick Aybar. How freaking moronic does THAT look now? Last year it was Casey Kotchman, Joe Saunders, and Scot Shields for Mark Texierra. Where would we be now I wonder? Not in first is a good bet. This offseason it was a freaking crapload of guys for Miguel Cabrera- but wait! It turns out Miguel Cabrera is NOTHING SPECIAL in the American League. Just pretty good.

So go on. Make your MLB 2K8 trades with the fruity AI GMs and tell yourself how freaking brilliant you are when Pujols smacks 60 taters playing out of Angel stadium. But don’t come here and pretend any of that means something in the real world. Fact is real superstars are hard to come by, and the NL is AAAA. Deal with it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the 2008 version had names

the 2002 version didn’t.
as we’re now learning, names don’t win games; players do.
that team ended the year leading the league in batting average, runs scored and a few other important offensive categories, all of which i am too GA to look up right now.
that team could hit consistently. if that meant blowouts, then it meant blowouts. winning game 1-0 or 2-1 ever day doesn’t make you a better team… it means you have better pitching (which it does). this offense, at this point in the seaso, is nowhere near as good as the ‘02 offense, names or not.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And yet this team, at this point in the season,

has won more games. This team is really good at one thing and that is holding a lead. Once we’re ahead, no matter what inning, there’s at least a 90% chance we’re going to win. The 2002 team couldn’t say the same. They didn’t hit 90% win chance until the 8th.

Now I will say this. 2002 was legit. They won 99 games, and talent or not, they outhit our current team by a mile. “Talent” is just theory, and reality trumps theory for me, every time.

But my argument is our current team has won 51 of 85 games. And that’s reality, too.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and if this team is down

at any point in the game, there’s a 90% chance we’re going to lose.

while our pitching is absolutely nails, we have got to learn how to hit, even half of what the ‘02 team was capable of. if we don’t, say hello division title, good-bye in the first round.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 8:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually no.

We’ve still got a 25-30% chance up till the 5th or so.

I apologize in retrospect though. It probably sounds like a made up statistic, but it’s not and I should have sourced it.

Link to 08 run-scored splits

Link to 02 run-scored splits

Winning% divided by inning and game status (ahead, tied, behind) is the third section from the top.

Just for reference, the 2002 team had 35-45% chance to win through the 5th if they were behind. ;-)

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

haha i totally thought you were just making it up

so sorry about that. :)

meh… i’m just saying, while 2008’s pitching is better, its offense can’t smell the jockstrap of 2002’s.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 8:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well it certainly HASN'T thus far

I still hold that it could the rest of the way, and we don’t need Holliday to do it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bay wouldn't hurt...

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Playing JUAN would hurt WAY less.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'd have a tough time giving up Wood in there....

i was just looking at his numbers along with Longoria… they’re surprisingly similar. I still think Wood can and will be a special player.

if anything, i’d sub Aybar for Wood in that deal.

Weaver
Aybar
Adenhart
Willits

they’d be stupid not to take that, as well.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 2, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We'd still have to be stupid to offer it.

Where is our new 5th pitcher coming from? Will the near-certain, massive increase in suck every 5th day (and corresponding increase in wear and tear on our relief corps) really be made up by the addition of a guy who is, when all is said and done, merely “pretty good” outside Coors stadium, and an NL-AL transfer to boot?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 2, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this is just a theoretical package

not actually one that we would offer before this deadline.
that’s what it would take to get the guy. obviously, until wee find another pitcher, it’s not going to happen.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 2, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but my point stands

is the guy actually worth it? Right now we have a group of really talented young pitchers in Saunders, Santana, and Weaver. Even if we find another 5th guy, is that really worth another 3-4 years of Weaver, plus whatever we think Adenhart might turn into? I remind you that it took both Lackey and Santana about 2 and 1/2 years to really figure it out.

We’d be getting a “pretty-good” player outside of Coors, in the NL, in exchange for all of that. More than likely, he’ll turn into a left-fielder version of Torii Hunter playing here. That’s what the AL plus Angel stadium does to guys. Is that actually worth it? I have to think no. Not when we have Juan Rivera and Kendry Morales sitting in our back pockets.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 2, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs </