Teixeira rumors

by autry's cowboys on Jul 22, 2008 2:40 PM PDT Comment 101 comments

I was doing my daily search on mlbtraderumors.com and came across the following:

Mark Teixeira for Quinlan and Woody. This is referenced on twincities.com, under Charley Walter's section. Link:

I am sure that this is, as the blurb states, "rumor", however I thought that it might spur some good conversation. I did a quick search for Teixeira's fielding stats at 3B where he played briefly in 2003 (stats provided by armchairgm.com). In 99 innings he had an .811 fielding % with 7 errors. He is eligible for free agency after this year.

Just thought it was interesting as my boredom seeks an Angel's fix.....HAVE AT IT!

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it's being discussed a little in another thread too

but honestly…. if that were the trade, you would HAVE to seriously consider it, if not jump all over it. Tex has a great bat and a really good glove.

You could probably plug him into the DH role, and he could play 1B and maybe some LF/RF.

In any case, I seriously doubt that’s a real deal, and i doubt even more that we’ll make a deal.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 22, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Source on this is from Minnesota

I don’t know this writer and how close he is to the affairs of the MLB, so I am obviously forced to take it with a grain of salt.

But…if that’s all it takes to get Tex, then it’s a no brainer.

by swiss mcgee on Jul 22, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

My skepticism....

.....is equalled to the both of you

I'm your huckleberry

by autry's cowboys on Jul 22, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reagins won't trade Wood for a two-month rental....EVER!

Never Forget:

Scott Boras is Teixeira’s agent.

by wumbug on Jul 22, 2008 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

...and I don't think they would trade Kotchman anyway.

....still very young with upside.

by wumbug on Jul 22, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

absolutely agreed....

I just didnt see any mention of trading Kotch….I don’t know how they would work in Teixeira frankly, thus adding more weight to the fact that this indeed is a rumor.

I'm your huckleberry

by autry's cowboys on Jul 22, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rosenthal mentions Kotchman.

...but what does he know?

Hence, Teixeira.

The Angels lack pitching depth after losing right-hander Kelvim Escobar, most likely for the rest of the season. The Braves, though, wouldn’t necessarily want pitching for Teixeira. They would want first baseman Casey Kotchman, who is a favorite of manager Mike Scioscia’s and under club control for three more seasons — but no Teixeira.

by wumbug on Jul 22, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea...I just saw that

I'm your huckleberry

by autry's cowboys on Jul 22, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would trade Wood straight up for Tex in a heartbeat.

Plus we would get two additional draft picks when he left.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 22, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kotch & Teix: one can play 1B and one DH

it’s only for 2-3 months, so rotating at 1B/DH is no big deal. But regardless, it won’t happen. Atlanta would need a 1Bman back….unless we gave them Wood + Kendry. Then we might have something.

Angels then let Teix go via FA and get 2 prime draft picks while sizing their fingers for a new WS ring.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jul 22, 2008 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Moving Morales: Say goodbye to Acuda!

by Downing Rules on Jul 22, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Acuda would swear Holy Jihad against the Halos if that happened.

Salmon Rushdie be damned! And, G_d forbid Sean Rodriguez gets traded, the Fatwa would be effectuated by an avenging Acuda.

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 22, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the 1B/DH scenario,

and I would go for it if it were not for Wood…...there’s still too much upside possibility for him.

Morales?.............I don’t know if Reagins has the guts. Morales could possibly play that same 1B/DH rotation. Don’t forget Boras!

Quinlan & Matt Brown (who’s been playing heavily at 1B at AAA) might be worth the gamble IF Atlanta would go for it. .......Atlanta obviously doesn’t want or think they can re-sign Teixeira…....they want a 1Bman to replace TEX. Maybe these rumors just came up with the sun this morning.

Quinlan and/or Brown would fit the bill if Reagins could sell the idea that it’s the same as Quinlan and Wood. Who knows?.....Matt Brown may turn into a MLB player yet…....AAA All Star and USA Olympic Team, in addition to a fine year at AAA. In my own projections for the Angels’ 2009 25-man roster, I had him listed as the 1B-3B-OF replacement for RQuinlan.

by wumbug on Jul 22, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell

let’s clear up some jams while we’re at it.

Throw Matthews in the trade, eat $20 million of the remaining contract, and plug in Tex at DH.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What makes you think Tex will be better than Juan in this park?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

At worst

he’ll be Juan circa July – September ‘06, no better, no worse.

The upside is that he’s also far more of a guarantee to do it.

Don’t get me wrong, because I’m a Juan supporter, but Tex’s production’s is far more a sure-thing, even if it would only equal Juan’s best case scenario.

And Turner Field isn’t exactly a launching pad, anyway.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not

but it’s still in AAAA, where Miguel Cabrera and Milton Bradley are 1.000 OPS hitters.

Teix is more of a sure thing, but two months of, at best, marginally better production than Rivera will likely put up? For 6 years of a guy with Wood’s potential?

I mean, if we only had GMJ, then I’d say yes, absolutely. I’d say the same thing about Holliday or Bay in that situation, we’d need SOMEBODY. But with Juan pretty clearly back in 06 form, we just don’t need those guys. We can keep our prospects and win anyway.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zuh?

Milton Bradley is producing in the AL, too. You lost me.

I know he’s a Boras dude, but damn…I’d give Teix the contract he wants. After this year, if Anderson doesn’t come back, we could have our Juan and our Teix, too.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I want Juan to produce as much as the next guy

but I’d hesitate to say he’s clearly back to ‘06 form based off a 13 game sample size.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not 13 games it's what he does EVERY TIME he gets consistent at bats.

That’s been true since he was in Montreal.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like I said, I like the guy

and I want him to get playing time, but I’m not going to insist that he’s back to all-star level performance the second he gets a few multi-hit games. It’s not that I doubt it, I just don’t like jumping the gun.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose.

I just hate the thought of throwing a prospect away for something we already have.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But WHERE in the AL is he producing?

Same place Teix produced before moving- the bandbox at Arlington. Tex moves from there to the NL and keeps putting up the same numbers.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the National League is weaker

but I also think it’s a grossly-overstated fall-back position for too many things.

If it’s fair to say that Juan is back to ‘06 form based on 13 games, it’s worth noting that Miguel Cabrera’s last 37 games have produced a .934OPS. Players falter sometimes when traded, and are slow to start.

Teixeira may play in the “AAAA” as so many call it, but he’s in a pitcher’s park…shouldn’t that create some level of neutrality? Yet he has a .946OPS in said pitcher’s park.

If he goes to New York or Baltimore, then godspeed to him. If we offered the same money as Baltimore, I have trouble believing he’d take it, home connection or not.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miguel Cabrera wasn't a .934 OPS hitter over there though.

He was a 1.000 OPS hitter in the second most pitcher-friendly park in baseball. The National League tends to get run over by good players, both Pitchers and Hitters. It’s the same reason Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens can be an All-Star level guys in bandboxes like Arizona or Minute-Maid, but struggle in slightly pitcher-friendly Yankee stadium.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He never reached 1.000 in the NL

although he got .998 in ONE season, his career mark before this year was .928, and last year it was .966. Not a huge difference.

Also, Roger probably finally got off the roids in the last couple years. Maybe that’s why that soon-to-be-Bonds-level-hated malcontent slid a bit.

Is it a worse league? Yeah, I acknowledged that already. But I think it’s too often used as a fall-back when the difference is probably more negligible than the rhetoric would have us believe.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It think it's actually worse than the rhetoric.

.966 to .934 may not be a huge difference, but .966 to .850 sure as hell is. It’s a worse league and Angel Stadium is just about the most pitcher-friendly park in the AL.

My point with all this is that spending a great prospect for a two months of guy whose production we may already have and whom we MIGHT (I have zero confidence in our ability to do this) be able to resign for uber-dollars is a bad deal.

I should also point out that when Teixiera tests the market, Baltimore isn’t the only team we’ll have to compete with. The Yanks will likely make him their top priority, and the Yanks have $87 million coming off the books this year.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like I said

a LOT of players don’t immediately adjust to new teams and new enivronments and new contracts. This is nothing new or unique to NL-AL transitions. I would wait a little longer than 3 months (especially with his hitting of late) before I decide that he is now permanently an .850 fixture in the AL.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We also have a decent chunk of change coming off the books

and we both have things to patch up. However, what comes off for us (name G.A.) doesn’t need immediate replacing.

The Yankees not only don’t have a ton of talent locked up cheap like we do, but they have a ton to replace this offseason, and don’t have a surplus in-house solutions that will keep them in contention.

By my count, they’re losing 3 starting pitchers, not including Pavano (L-O-L), two central bullpen pieces, a starting 1B/DH, and a starting OF.

Aside from the fact that Wang is due a HUGE raise and will likely win arbitration, with that many holes all over the place, they can ill-afford to blow their load all on one position. Especially when $87 million coming off the books (less when raises are factored in) still equates to more than $120 million in payroll.

I don’t think Teixeira is even close to a sure-thing to sign back with us, but I certainly wouldn’t mind losing Wood to find out if it gets us a ring.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Yankies have Kennedy, Hughes, Chamberlain ready to go at SP.

Teix solves their 1B problem, their OF has a number of options, their bullpen has improved quite a bit with some in-house options. 87 million, even less the raises, is still WAY more than we have, and Teix WANTS to play there. He will be the number one hitter on the market, and we cannot outspend the Yanks for him. Unlike us, they will also be able to benefit from his good defense, making him more valuable to them in any case.

Teix does not guarantee us a ring. He gives us two months of offensive production that we could get the better part of from someone else, goes as far as we go in the playoffs, and then he’s gone.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With two relievers going out

I’m not entirely sure they can afford to keep Chamberlain in the rotation forever.

And Hughes has a long way to go before he’s a sure thing in any rotation, let alone a rotation that has world series aspirations every year.

But hey, if the Yankees want to dedicate 3/5ths of their rotation to 3 pitchers without about 150 career innings between them, Mark can have fun in New York…I’m sure he’s used to 3rd place finishes by now.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No rush.

He’ll be there for 8 years after all.

Plus with 87 million, they can afford to throw money at him and CC if they really want to. They won’t be going after K-Rod and middle relief isn’t that expensive.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly

I’m just wishing more than speaking to any kind of logical reasoning.

But check the username if you start to think I ACTUALLY want to replace first base. Kotchman could be quite similar to Teixeira in the long term.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not first I think we'd replace.

If there was a guy it made sense to go after I’d be all for it. I mean, if we thought management would bench GA (they won’t) then Holliday or Bay WOULD make sense.

I agree about Casey’s potential though. The idea of our infield being Kotch Howie S-Rod Wood is pretty frightening when you consider the total package of defense and offense it brings to the table.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

G.A. is hitting like .360 in July

Just like he always does. If, like you think with Rivera, G.A. is gonna have a repeat of his second half last year, I hope he never gets benched.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, if GA repeats that second half then maybe

But the thing about last year was that GA got really patient all at once, and that hasn’t happened yet. We’ll see I guess. I hope so, since I know for a fact that they aren’t going to bench GA either way.

The main reason I draw a distinction is that Rivera isn’t fighting decline phase while GA is.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll only continue this little discussion

because I follow G.A. so closely that I actually noticed a bit of a trend coinciding with his up-tick in performance.

Since June 20th, he’s hit .321, BUT, more importantly, his OBP/BA differential has been .053. For his career it’s roughly half of that (and .053 in itself is really not all that bad). Likewise, his post-break resurgence last year coincided with a notable increase in walks. Not sure what he suddenly decides to do differently, but if that same indicator had any bearing on his performance last year, I have reason to think it could happen again this year.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 23, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup, that was the same thing that happened last year

So maybe you’re right.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 23, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Texas offered $20 million over 6 years

He turned it down to play on the East Coast.
How high are we planning to go?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Same money, 8 years

turning down the Rangers is a lot different than turning down the Angels, however.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right. But do you think we can out-bid the Yanks for him, when we know he'd prefer the East Coast?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, the contract Teix wants is in New York or Baltimore.

Not here.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zu Long:

How often are trades made between clubs in the same division? I have been trying to find info on this and have only found that it is a rare thing to happen. I’m curious as to why this is and if you have any insight on this. Thanks.

by 44FAN on Jul 22, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The trade is more likely to come back and bite you directly in the ass

pretty much as simple as that.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Board Game

Spent most of the first half as the hitter with the highest OPS in the league.

Are you really doubting Cabrera’s hitting ability? His start to his career is top 10 ever, and that is conservative.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 23, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm doubting board game because he plays in that park

And I’m doubting Cabrera because I want to see him do it in the AL.

Also, I’m not sure about top 10 all time. There are at least 5 guys I can think of in the modern era who have had better starts- Pujols, A-Rod, Griffey, Manny, Thomas. I’m pretty sure I could find 5 more in the previous 80 years.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 23, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can not find the exact stat

but I think he is one of 5 players to start their career (full season) with 4 straight 25/100 seasons.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 23, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Given that several of the guys I mentioned played through shortened 94 and 95 seasons

I guess it’s not impossible. But RBI counts aren’t really the way to go for objective measurement anyway. I was going by career OPS+ at age 25. A better point might be that 5 first ballot HOFers isn’t such bad company. ;-)

I dunno. I’m probably going overboard with the hating on other guys in here. It’s just that over the years I’ve seen a lot of guys leave this park and put up better numbers than they were putting up in it, usually in the NL. And I get tired of this happening every season because don’t have this mythical “other piece” we really need to trade for. Then a couple years pass, and HEY! Remember all those guys we were going to trade? It turns out that they’ve put the team on their shoulders and become franchise players, just like we knew they could.

Juan’s not going to the hall. He may not be one of the league’s elite. But he is capable of putting up the numbers we need to be a complete team. I don’t just don’t see any reason to trade our future for things we don’t need and probably can’t keep.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 23, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have wanted Juan to play all year. preaching to the choir.

To the point Willits is a pinch runner ala Chone 2002.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 23, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mig

Looks to be heating up as he makes his way through the AL Central for the 3rd time learning the league and pitchers. Guy is a hitter.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Jul 24, 2008 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

10 RBI in the series against the Royals.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not heating up as fast as Howie

One of the guys we would have traded for him is currently out OPSing him .875 to .845. Sure Howie’s been hot lately and hasn’t played a full season, but with Howie, I feel like not playing a full season is working against him rather than for him.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is not going to last

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defensive Spectrum

If Howie stays anywhere near him, he will be the more valuable bat.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except that defenseively

Howie is probably above average at 2B, a premium defense position, while Miguel Cabrera got moved to 1st because it’s the only position he can play without being a giant waste of space.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That adds to what I am saying

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh. Okay.

Sorry, thought you were saying the opposite.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not a problem

I have not looked at HK’s OPS in quite sometime so I am glad you brought it to my intention. Pleasant surprise for the day.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Off-Topic

but not entirely deserving of a fanshot or fanpost, but the mention of Kendry Morales reminds me that I saw in today’s paper that Morales played left field for SLC last night.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_07_21_slcaaa_freaaa_1&t=g_box

by jjackflash on Jul 22, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting...

Why not make a fanshot…

by Downing Rules on Jul 22, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish someone would do a research project...

... on all the trade rumors that have been floated by journalists since Halos Heaven was first hatched. Would be useful to see all the bad ideas we’re glad to have avoided, and maybe one or two that got away…

by mattwelch on Jul 22, 2008 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

2006 mid-season Miguel Tejada for Erick Aybar and Ervin Santana

2007 mid-season Mark Teixiera for Casey Kotchman, Joe Saunders, and Scot Shields
2007 off-season Miguel Cabrera for Howie Kendrick, Ervin Santana, Brandon Wood and Nick Adenhart.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rex, on Angels Live:

Trade for Tex and sign him to a long-term deal as soon as possible.

he says to give them Kotch, ET and maybe one more prospect.

thoughts?

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 22, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Boras client. Market testing WILL happen.

Plus he wants to play on the East Coast. Turned down 20 million per year for 6 years from Texas before leaving.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

umm... if you were a player, wouldn't you?

that team is going nowhere

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 22, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Seems to be doing better than Atlanta.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better than sub-.500 doesn't mean much

especially when you’re in a division with the best team in baseball :)

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 22, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its hot as balls in Texas in July/August/September

‘nuff said.

Of course I'm right... I have a UC education.

by BruinHalo on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tony Reagins Laughed at this rumor

see the link…

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/2008/07/reagins-laughs-at-teixeiratoan.html

No way this is happening

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Jul 22, 2008 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha, ha, "Those bloggers man."

by 44FAN on Jul 22, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

IRONICLALY

St. Paul Press = Mainstream Media
AOL FANATION = Content Harvester Computer Program
Press Enterprise = Mainstream Media

Not one god damned blogger there, Tony, wake up.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 22, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldnt be opposed to trading wood

i feel like if his value is still high enough to net us a big bat, then great.

but for 3 months? id be more comfortable including him for holliday than teixeira just so theres something to show for it next year

trading wood would also force us to re-sign figgins wouldnt it?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 22, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

if it's real

do it

by yeswecan on Jul 22, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Billy Mac to Hudler on Angel's Live:

“You were out there naming names in the preshow [for trades]”

Hud:

“Really? ...That was a long time ago! Halos got a W!”

Haha, oh man, Hud, you’re such an hilarious liability.

I hope Harden wins 10 more games for the Cubs. Ha!

by 101halo on Jul 22, 2008 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

XD

Hud is hilarious.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Thought I'd Mention

that Juan Rivera is also a free agent after this season. I figure there’s a good chance someone else offers him a lot more money, and an everyday job, so chances are he’s gone, too. This means the Angels will have to do something for next year, or GMJr. will be in the lineup every single day, like it or not.

by jjackflash on Jul 22, 2008 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

We should extend him now while we have the chance.

I bet we could get him for 15 million over 3 years and it would be a bargain

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 22, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mentioned this early this season...

I think I mentioned 2 years @ $14 million. Just get him locked up, now!

by jimmuscomp on Jul 24, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here is the link to the discussion from December, 2007

Zu, we were saying that we should probably sign him early to avoid losing him….

http://www.halosheaven.com/2007/12/20/181554/33#881311

by jimmuscomp on Jul 24, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh. That's cool.

Always nice to know that you’re still saying what you said 7 months ago. Juan doesn’t have an .850 OPS, but he doesn’t have a decent number of PA either. I’d still say sign him up.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 25, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

I agree. Without Juan R. next year the outfield is:

Vlad, Hunter, GMJ and Willits. Now, some has talked up Figgy in LF and that is an option, definitely. But, if Rivera can be had for $6-$8 million per year and GIVEN a starting job he should be signed. Of course, GA can’t be retained in my plan…

The minors don’t have ML ready outfielders – so Rivera is, in my opinion, a must to keep.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 25, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel as though Wood should be offered in any trade talks

I just don’t see him ever hitting MLB pitching consistantly

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 23, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

No room at DH

If Tex comes I guess Kotch would have to go.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 23, 2008 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not down with Tex

other than that he’s a switch hitter. I think he’s a bit over-rated, he’s a Boras client, and I’m especially not in favour of getting him if it costs us a member of our rotation or, especially Kotchman, who I think will be just as good a player in the long run.

Take a pass on Tex.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 24, 2008 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What is wrong with Kotchman that he is continually considered trade bait?

This is a ridiculous thought! Everyone should immediately purge any and all thoughts related to this assinine idea!

I am extremely tired of this discussion! Stop it and stop it now! He is probably our best player and team MVP!

Anyone wannna know how I really feel?!

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by K3YEROUT on Jul 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i dont think anything is wrong with him at all

that’s the point.

29 other teams would love to have Kotchman on their team… it’s been that way since he was in AA/AAA.

Read This

Nobody here really wants to get rid of Kotchman. In fact, most of us that would be for a Tex trade are only for it if it DOESN’T include Casey.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

try this link:

Link To Story

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I read this yesterday...

I want to expound on my rant above…

Reagins/Moreno need to come out and say flat out, “Kotchman and Howie are Untouchable!” Stop the BS that comes up every year about this time and during the offseason!

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by K3YEROUT on Jul 25, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

name me one player you would trade Howie for “straight-up?”

I asked myself this question and the only name I could come up with was David Wright…

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by K3YEROUT on Jul 25, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's a good name

another one? Hanley Ramirez.

there’s not many, though…. not many at all.

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by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good answer...

didn’t think of him! Ok, so there are 2…Ramirez = 24 and Wright = 25, HK= just turned 25 this month

When I make the statement above I mean it on all aspects…good glove, good speed, respect for the game, clubhouse character, etc

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by K3YEROUT on Jul 25, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are a few...

Hanley and Wright, for sure…

How about:

Brian McCann
Ian Kinsler
Grady Sizemore
Evan Longoria
Joe Mauer
Nick Markakis
Ryan Braun

There are others, but these are no-brainers to me.

Yeah, a glove is important, but only Braun is bad with the leather in this group and he can friggin’ rake.

I love Howie, don’t get me wrong, but with his low BB rate, he is replaceable, even with that high-ish SLG. All the guys above are in the same age range and better than Howard.

Just keepin’ it real…

Did I just write that?

by jimmuscomp on Jul 25, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't fully agree with you on all of them, but

you bring some good names to the table!

My point being that the names of folks who people are throwing around in return for Howie and 2-3 others are insane! People need to stop the conjecture…stop feeding the fire! (Not you, but folks in general!)

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by K3YEROUT on Jul 25, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough.

I’d keep Howie, except for this group of hitters. I didn’t even go to pitchers because the rotation is set and I didn’t want to take the time.

Kinsler is a toughie for me – but his OBP and power makes me drool. His glove is bad – really bad – so that is a demerit.

Markakis might be a stretch considering his position. His OPS is better, but considering he is taking up a corner outfield spot – it better damn well be better than a good glove 2nd baseman. I’d probably keep Kendrick in a straight-up deal for Nick Markakis…

Longoria is a stud. He is 22 and hitting a ton over the last 60 days. He will be what I thought Troy Glaus would be. A HOF’er if he stays healthy and doesn’t get too heavy like TG did.

Mauer and McCann are no-brainers, IMO.

Sizemore is a great, great player. I’d love to see him in Halo red.

Braun just hits and hits and hits. I love his game.

As solid as HK is – because he has a hole in his game – his strike-zone judgement – he isn’t untouchable.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 25, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

Kinsler’s a tough one for me too. He’s good, but I’m not sold yet.

Longoria… in a freakin’ heartbeat.

Sizemore…. for sure.

Ryan Braun… anytime. That kid can hit anything.

i guess the point is – there’s only a handful of guys that we’d trade Howie for, and all of them are top tier players.

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by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kinsler is really good...

I’d probably do it. Drawing walks is a big deal in my opinion and Kinsler has that figured out. His defense is pretty bad, but he can rake and get on base…

I agree with you, it takes a special (young, cheap and godly) to pull Kendrick away, but I’d probably pull the trigger pretty quickly for any of the guys I mentioned.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 26, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i just looked back over Kinsler's stats

and decided that I would, in fact, pull the trigger on that.

ideally, i would love to get someone like Hanley, but as you said, any of those young guys would be awesome.

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by howiestheman on Jul 26, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno.

Kinsler is a year older than Howie and plays in The Bandbox. Given that Howie has better defense, I think Howie is worth more than Kinsler.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

his walks are up pretty high too

get this: His average is way up at home (..376 vs .284) but his power numbers are better on the road (3 HRs at home, 11 on the road).

though his average is up a lot higher at home, he seems to be a better hitter on the road.

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by howiestheman on Jul 26, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Away vs home splits aren't a great way to measure park effect

You get wacky samples and players having odd years. As far as walks- the main reason Howie doesn’t walk is because he spends so much time hitting. I’m not really worried about that aspect of it. Defense is a huge component really. A sub-average defender like Kinsler vs an above-average defender like Kendrick, especially at a defense-intensive position like 2B, can make a big difference over a season.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 26, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs