As Good As It Gets
We have seen three consecutive terrible pitching performances by Angel starters. Each was unique and each was awful. Wednesday afternoon John Lackey gave up 6 ER with a tight strike zone, a hostile home plate umpire and a sapping first inning that saw nearly 30 pitches thrown. Tuesday saw Jered Weaver throw almost 80 pitches in 3 innings and leave with a knot in his back. Monday saw Ervin Santana pitch better than Weaver or Lackey – 4 ER in 7 IP - and get bad-lucked by absolutely nothing with runners on base – and there were plenty of ribbys to be had.
Lackey has had a terrible July and Weaver seems to be on a 2-great starts/2-bad starts coin flip. Santana is still leaving the occasional fastball belt-high in the middle and Joe Saunders puts a few HR pitches on the tee for opposing hitters more often than is comforting. Jon Garland needs the defense but manages.
This team lives and dies with its starting pitching. July has seen some marvelous performances – even Moseley wiped the floor with the Athletics going into the break after a testy first inning. But the occasional mediocre performance – especially coupled with a lack of action with Runners in Scoring Position – should remind us all of what will transpire if we try to grab a big bat – every trade partner will want some arms. They will not settle for Kotchman and Adenhart. They will want Weaver or Santana. At the minimum.
This is as good as it gets, folks. This is as great as this team can be. Pull out a starter and we are Oakland with Red and Vlad. Add a big bat in its place and we are Texas three nights a week.
Anyone clamoring for a trade who understands the real demands that another team will hand Tony Reagins – anyone clamoring for an addition thru subtraction, well... that clamorer is just stupid or not an Angels fan.
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If some major league slugger comes rolling up to Anahiem Stadium with
taco sauce down the front of his shirt saying, “I’m here to make the team better!” would be fine with me as long as our starting rotation was in place to greet him.
by 44FAN on Jul 24, 2008 3:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said....
...stick with pitching, you’ll always get to the playoffs where you can hope to catch “hot bats” lightning in a bottle.
...on the road....
by Jack Kerouac on Jul 24, 2008 5:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep In TACK
I have always believed that you don’t make a trade using the major ingredients of the team when your in the sort of position that the Angels are in (first place). Obviously the SP for the Angels would not be shifted in any trade. If you look at a lot of trades made at the trade deadline there are not a lot of big names getting trade for one another. Most of the time it is minor league guys being shifted for a big name. How many people knew the name Rob Bryson, or Zach Jackson, or Matt LaPorta for the matter? They get ya a not even a full year removed Cy Young Award Winner. What about Felix Diaz and Ryan Meaux heard of them? Don’t think so! Well The White Sox liked them back in 2002 and traded Kenny Lofton to the Giants to get those guys. All the Giants got were 37wins 19 lost and one game away from a WS Trophy.
If you can help the current team with trades using minor league players then you try to get it done. After all the minor leagues is in place to help the major league team win.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 24, 2008 6:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’d like to see a trade made to help the big club, but not at the expense of a vital piece of the team, i.e., a starting pitcher, etc. Looking at the recent trades made by the Brewers, that’s the kind of deal I’m talking about. Minor league talent for major league help.
Trade Wood. Where’s he going to play? Third? Then where does Figgins play? Move Figgy to second to make room? Where does Kendrick play? Figgy to the OF? Who sits then? I’m not sold on Wood’s ability in the future, coupled with no obvious spot for him to play, makes his value to the team as a trade chip. And I don’t mean just a 2 month rental, but a player who will be here next year too. A player like Rauch who would bolster the pen and be under team control beyond 2008 (I realize Rauch is no long available and is probably not worth Wood straight-up, but I’m just using him as an example). How much would George Sherrill help the team? A lot. Plus, he’d be an insurance policy if K-Rod were to leave after this season. What would it cost for Sherrill? Or how about Greg Maddux? The Angels starters have been fantastic, but may be showing signs of wear. What would Maddux cost? I bet it wouldn’t take more than a grade C prospect in AA (who knows if Maddux would waive his NTC to come to Anaheim).
Yes, I’m clamoring for a trade, but the right kind of trade. Obviously, I don’t have “inside information” on what’s going on, or what’s being discussed between Reagins and other teams, however I do think there is help out there and at the right price. The Angels have the best record in baseball, the biggest division lead, and a great team. I’m just worried about an early exit from the post-season.
And I don’t think this makes me “stupid”.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Jul 24, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the way Figgy is playing this year
makes me think last year was a fluke career year, and that we shouldn’t resign him.
let the bashing begin…
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 24, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan Haynes
his personal hitting coach, is no longer with the team. He’s stuck with Mickey Hatcher, and I think Vlad is about the only hitter he’s not been able to mess up. Get Nathan Haynes back, and Figgy will hit.
by jjackflash on Jul 24, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howie Kendrick is hard to foul up too.
Given that Howie was already pretty much Hatcher’s ideal.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree.
I said absolutely resign him a few weeks ago when he was still hitting .300, but now I’m not sure.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgy started off hot...
But after that freak injury sliding into home, he’s been off.
Can Reagins hire Nathan Haynes as deputy hitting coach?
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jul 24, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Lofton got the Giants 37 wins, 19 losses and one game away from a World Series Trophy?
All this time I thought that steroided homerun hitter had more to do with their success. Seriously though, if we give up well regarded prospects for someone like Matt Holliday who will dispace Juan Rivera and likely not outperform him, I’ll shit my pants in anger.
by snowhor on Jul 24, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a HUGE Help
I don’t thing that the Giants capture the Wild Card and go to the Series that year with Tsuyoshi Shinjo playing CF everyday like he had been.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 24, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't the big difference be that the Giants were stuck with Tsuyoshi Shinjo pre-trade
while we are most definitely NOT stuck with GMJ, and in fact have an in-house solution to said problem?
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 24, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Juan really is the only answer this season
No pressure, amigo. Well, I guess a drastically improved Matthews could be the answer, but I’m a Juan man myself, as I think most are these days. Let’s hope he’s our 2nd half mvp. Angels – an army of Juan.
I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...
by Rally Manatee on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Army of Juan - nice line...
I see red people
by The Limey on Jul 24, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor Quibble
Santana was actually better than that: only 3 ER in 7. One run was unearned (thanks, GMJr.), and Speier gave up another.
by jjackflash on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This IS NOT as good as it gets.
The pitching we saw in the first half, while perhaps better than what you’d expect is more in line that what we’ve seen after the break.
The hitting we saw in the first half is BELOW what you’d expect. You should expect Vladdy, Figgy, Torii and Matholi to improve. Juan is already an improvement over HGH.
by melvintoast on Jul 24, 2008 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i wanted a bat before juan...
now that he’s in the lineup, i’m content. this team can win as is.
"Life is a luminous halo, a semi-transparent envelope surrounding us from the beginning of consciousness to the end."
by NoDakHalo on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to trade
Juan, Weaver, or GMJ
Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!
by KingF15h on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You would want....
Moseley to be our fifth starter?
I imagine reagins hangs up whenever a starter is mentioned.
by Wytelitning on Jul 24, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would hope he hangs up when a starter is mentioned
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on Jul 24, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only expendable players on the big league club...
...are the bit-parters – and for me that includes GMJ, Reggie, Quinlan, O’day? Maybe Speier – a lot of teams need relief.
Any prospect would be expendable, if, and only if, the right slugger turned up… A rental is OK, so long as we get 2 picks out of it.
I see red people
by The Limey on Jul 24, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even those guys aren't truly expendable
Even though he sucks as a starter, having GMJ as a pinch hitter is pretty cushy. Same with Willits, and dare I say, even Quinlan. They are the depth we’ve been talking about all year. Compare them to previous bench warmers – Ochoa, Palmero, Devanon, Pride…I wouldn’t say Speier is expendable until we see how Bulger does. Maybe Q is expendable when Morales is healthy, but I don’t think he would benefit from sitting on the bench for half a season if we traded Q.
Rev is right, top to bottom, it is as good as it can get right now. Even if some team was willing to simply clear our bench for a big bat, we’d be in a precarious position down the stretch.
I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...
by Rally Manatee on Jul 24, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie is invaluable
As a pinch-runner for Juan. Figgy had the PR role in ‘02. Remember this team’s motto: “Speed Kills”
Plus, he can spot start to give the regulars in the OF a rest.
This motto brought to you by 1970’s era public service announcements.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jul 24, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santana - 3ER
The Garbage man botched a flyball in right. A-hole. (Gmj)
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF
I guess our minor league system is SHIT. Other teams are able to add major pieces without trading from their current starting lineup or their current starting rotation.
An ace costs more than a bat. CC got moved, we know what he cost.
The only answer I can come up with is our minor league system sucks DICK.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Either that
or our GMs are unwilling to part with anyone, period, regardless of whether they’re in the majors, minors, whatever.
I suppose there’s a third possibility, which is that our GMs have been unable and/or unwilling to spend much time actually negotiating, selling other teams on our prospects (i.e., they don’t make counter-offers when called about a trade proposal, or they call up with their proposal and don’t engage in further negotiation when the initial offer is rejected).
by jjackflash on Jul 24, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time theory
I am not an insider but it appears they spent a lot of time on the Cabrera deal.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuentes Rumors
If we do acquire Fuentes, you can kiss Frankies ass goodbye in the offseason.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT Fuentes Rumors????????
"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"
by Hapyorange on Jul 24, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels are looking at him.
Colorado scouts were at Adenhart’s last start.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you hear this?
"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"
by Hapyorange on Jul 24, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of places
Rosenthal, Heyman etc.
There is a fanshot on it.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, they talked about it on Angels Talk
after yesterdays slugfest.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jul 24, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best record in baseball is a curse July 14th through the 31st.
I do not anticipate our competitors sitting on their hands.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ervin only gave up 3 earned in that game
but yeah, it wasn’t a great performance either way.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 24, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Orioles looking for a shortstop
for George Sherrill. Send the Admiral to the O’s for him.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Jul 24, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 24, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, here
Your last paragraph says it all.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 24, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"This is as great as this team can be"
Jesus Rev, Thats as crazy as your vegas poker shirt. Teams can always improve.
I say strive for excellence. If there is a way to improve our club, to help us win this year. I say do it. Wood? Adenhart? Adios muchachos if it means we can get a bat to help us.
Ive said it before, this club is not strong enough offensively to win the World Series. Period. If you guys are content to just win another division title, more power to you. I want to win the world series.
by Northwest on Jul 24, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Howie back and Juan Rivera making the most of his playing time, I'd say the offense is plenty
strong enough to win the WS. It is not a fluke that we have scored in double digits as many times in July as in the first 3 months of the year combined.
*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 24, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am too lazy right now and have to get SOME work done but......
But I would like to see how the Angels have fared against the front of the potential AL playoff teams rotations
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 25, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see.
Boston: 2-0
Lester: 1 start, 4 runs in 5 innings – Angels win
Becket: 1start, 4 runs in 8 innings – Angels win
Dice K: No starts vs Angels this season
ChiSox: 4-0
Buerle: 1 start, 8 runs in 5.2 innings – Angels win
Danks: 2 starts, 0 runs in 6.1 innings, 2 runs in 5 innings – Angels win, Angels win
Floyd: 1 start, 3 runs in 9 innings – Angels win
Tampa: 2-2
Shields: 2 starts, 0 runs in 9 innings, 6 runs in 8 innings – Angels lose, Angels win
Kazmir: 2 starts, 0 runs in 6 innings, 3 runs in 6.2 innings – Angels lose, Angels win
Garza: No starts vs Angels this season.
Minnesota: 1-1
Blackburn: 1 start, 1 run in 7 innings – Angels win
Hernandez: 1 start, 2 runs in 7 innings, – Angels lose
Baker: No starts vs Angels this season.
(Hernandez is the worst pitcher they have, but he’s also their “ace,” plus he beat us, so I’m spotting them this one)
New York: No games vs Angels this season.
Overall Record: 9-3 vs front rotation of other playoff teams
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 25, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep forgetting that asterisk (*)= bold
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 25, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan & co.
This team will score more in the 2nd half. Replacing GMJ alone will help a lot.
by jimmuscomp on Jul 24, 2008 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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