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What would it take to get Manny?

I'm sure everyone has different opinions on if they would enjoy having M.Ram on the Angels; I personally think it'd be a worthy risk.

We know of the prolific offense that Manny Ramirez can bring to a relatively starved offense; yet we also know the antics that Ramirez can bring and more than likely the dissolving clubhouse.

If we look at it in terms of putting a team "over top" this would be the most likely situation for any post-season bound team.

Let's say, for example, the Angels and Sox made the trade for Manny - what exactly would be involved in the trade?

 

1.) Manny would have to waive his no trade clause.

2.) Sox would demand at minimum 2 mlb-ready prospects.

3.) Angels would have to believe that the prospects being given up were not detrimental to the future of the organization.

 

Well, most people would think Manny would have to have his last two club options picked up to approve a trade - I doubt this for one reason: Vladimir Guerrero. Manny has admitted that he'd love to play with Vlad in the past, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

Yes, the Sox would probably demand 2 if not 3 mlb-ready prospects. Although, what are mlb-ready prospects? Dustin Moseley? Bootcheck? Thompson? Sean Rodriquez? I think all of us can speculate that a deal would probably center around Juan Rivera and Dustin Moseley both going to the  Sox. That deal would more than likely make a lot of sense for the Sox to increase their pitching depth while still getting some power out of Rivera.

 

To get a valuable, although declining, hitter such as Ramirez without having to pickup his 09 and 10 options will be valuable to the Angels since they can let him go next off season, sign or bring up another outfielder and collect the compensation draft picks for him.

 

The deal would benefit the Angels organization in a variety of ways; is it worth it?

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No no and no

Manny is an unwelcome potential distraction, this Halos team is raking now that they’re finally healthy!

Justin Speier, seeing your ass take the mound yet again has just inspired me to gouge my eyes out

by AHaloInSF on Jul 28, 2008 1:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Jesus

Really?

They wouldn’t want Moseley, Bootcheck Thompson or S-Rod. They would take Rivera, but as an additive to a bigger deal.

Think Saunders, Wood, Adenhart, Rivera. Maybe slightly less, but thats what kind of deal they would expect.

Also, dont you notice that ESPN “reports” these possible Manny trades every year, no fail? Its called getting ratings and more attention to its cash cow, The Boston Red Sox. Everyone across baseball would be shocked if he was traded. It won’t happen, you are falling prey to ESPN and their “trade-deadline sweeps tactics”.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jul 28, 2008 1:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed...

This deal would have to include Wood, Adenhart, S-Rod (I think his stock is going up) or Walden. No collection of our flotsam is going to pry Manny away from the Sox. Though I’d LOVE to have him on the Halos.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 28, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lobotomy...

...either for someone in the front office, or preferably for Ramirez.

I see red people

by The Limey on Jul 28, 2008 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice one Limey

Always thinking of the medical option

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 28, 2008 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp

or Francisco Liriano

or Jered Weaver

In other words … pray they keep him.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 28, 2008 4:04 AM PDT reply actions  

No bargaining power?

It seems to me that Manny really couldn’t bring the red sox 3 quality mlb-ready player/prospects. It doesn’t appear that the red sox are in any position of strength bargaining wise. There’s only really a handful of teams that the red sox could deal with because of salary implications which hurts any kind of leverage they would have. If you leave out the Yankees (for obvious reasons), you have who; the Halos, Dodger, Mets, Phillies and maybe the white sox. Furthermore, at least one of the people the red sox get in return would have to be someone who could hit for some kind of power now, bringing down the quality of prospects in the trade. I don’t think having an outfield of Ellsbury, Crisp and Drew would really frighten anyone. Throw on top, all of Manny’s antics and distractions, and you have a team that would have to take less than equal value to get rid of him. Plus, while i’ll admit a Vlad/Manny combination would be highly tempting it doesn’t seem that the return would equate to the players(adenhart, walden, wood, etc….) people have been throwing out there when you factor in the money and declining production.

by HaloFanInDC on Jul 28, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Why you are wrong

The Red Sox don’t HAVE to do anything. This is not a trade they are being forced into, they have ALL the bargaining power and won’t give up ManRam for anything less than a king’s ransom.

Declining Production you say? I think his .400 OBP, or his .302 AVG possibly his 19 HR or his 65 RBIs would help a tad…. you know, that would lead the Angels in nearly every offensive stat.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jul 28, 2008 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

They don't have to do anything, this is true.

However, if they don’t plan on picking up either if his $20 mill options, letting him walk for nothing becomes very un-Epstein like. Personally, I would put Arte’s money up, maybe the prospects, but definitely the money

You are what you type.

by rjcicc on Jul 28, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

not nothing for letting him walk

they get draft pick compensations from the team that signs him.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 28, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if they offer him arbitration

There is still the chance that he could accept arbitration and the Saux could end up paying him more than his option would have.

by HungryHunter on Jul 28, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You really think they would offer arbitration?

If they want him back they will exercise the 2009 option.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 28, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No thank you...

frankly, I just want to see that guy making an ass out of himself in an Angels uniform. He can rake, no doubt, but we have some legitamate arms in the outfield thus eliminating the need for a cut-off man in LF.

I'm your huckleberry

by autry's cowboys on Jul 28, 2008 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Declining Production

Declining production only relative to what Manny has done in the past and not how it would compare on the Halos. I’m not disputing that his production on the angels would be great, but at 37 and slowly becoming more susceptible to injury (he’s missed 30 games in 2006 and 2007), I just don’t see Manny being able to continue at the .300-.320, 35 HR’s and 110-120 RBI’s pace that he has in the past.

Furthermore, to a certain point, I agree that the Red Sox aren’t being forced to trade Manny, but with the rhetoric in the papers, scott boras, and Manny just being Manny, it’s absurd to say that there is no pressure to move him. If Manny’s knee continues to be “chronically sore,” where would that put the Red Sox? Whether they choose to trade him or not is a different story, and one that would alter the Red Sox’s bargaining position. The premise of my post was that if the Red Sox wanted to trade Manny (for whatever reason that may be; club house chemistry, they’re just tired of him, etc…) it would be difficult because of my previously listed factors and the Red Sox would find it difficult to find any trading partners that would give them what most people perceive to be equal value.

by HaloFanInDC on Jul 28, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

The chances of Manny going to the Angels

are approximately nil. Let’s consider the following things:

1) The Red Sox are in a playoff race.
Unlike the Angels, who are running away with their division, Boston has to compete with two strong teams (Rays and NYY). LAA can play .500 baseball the rest of the year and still win the division, so why would your FO want Manny? Meanwhile, the Sox need Manny to keep up their offense. Trading him without adequately replacing his production could well keep the Sox from making the playoffs.

2) A Manny deal is hard to swing.
Manny, as a 10-5 player, is going to demand the acquiring team pick up his option years, at the very least (he could also demand a further extension). Otherwise he’d block the trade. Those two option years are $20 million each, btw. Since the Sox would want to replace 75-90% of Manny’s production (think Teixeira, Dunn, Burrell) to stay in the race, a third team would be needed for a successful trade.

3) The Sox and Angels are quite likely to meet in the playoffs.
Less so if Manny is traded, but it’s still a possibility. If the Sox win the division you face us in the first round; if we get the wild card, we face you after you sweep the Yankees / Rays out. Why in God’s name would we trade our best hitter (thus far) to a prime playoff rival?

4) A deal would be costly in players.
From what little I know of the Angels’ farm system, it seems that your top assets are in the majors. Manny is a valuable player, and you can’t just give up AA or A prospects to get him – you have to give up your best assets. I’d imagine that a Manny trade would see 1-2 top pitchers (Santana, Saunders, Weaver?), a major league contact hitter (Kotchman, Kendrick), and some other players (Brandon Wood?) leaving the Halos. The Sox would then spin them to get someone like Matt Kemp, Burrell or Teixeira.

5) There’s no pressure to make the deal.
Whatever pressure Theo may be feeling on Manny (and he’s pretty well-insulated from pressure now), it isn’t going to force him to make a bad decision. Manny’s been making noise like this for years, and he’s still here. You won’t get a bargain on him, and any deal would have to involve another team, further complicating it.

Add all these together and a trade to LAA seems impossible. What is most likely to happen is that Manny’s first option year is picked up in the offseason and he is traded somewhere else (a la Sheffield). Maybe you could get him then, but the costs would still be high.

by 0157H7 on Jul 28, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty optimistic...

If the Sox win the division you face us in the first round;

That’s assuming that:

1) The Angels don’t have the best overall record, or
2) Neither the Angels nor the Sox have the best overall record, or
3) The Sox have the best overall record, and the AL Central has second best record.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jul 28, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

It’s actually a lot more likely at this moment that we face them if they win the Wild Card.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 28, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will most likely be a FA in the offseason.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 28, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Manny's awesome

He’s obviously acting out because Boston won’t guarantee his release at the end of the season—where Boras can sticker price him at 4/$100M.

Also, not that a trade would ever happen, but “I think all of us can speculate” that Bill James and Theo Epstein would be shooting a little higher than Moseley and Rivera.

Flat Bill?

But if [the Orioles] do trade [Sherrill], there are two interested teams that have the young shortstop the Orioles are targeting as the centerpiece of any deal—the Angels and Phillies.

Indications are that the Orioles like both of the Angels’ big-league shortstops—Erick Aybar and Maicer Izturis.

by Tina Yothers on Jul 28, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Boras

definitely wants him to be released at the end ofthe year. If the Red Sox pick up the option, Boras doesn’t see any of that money, since that was part of the original deal signed when Jeff Moorad was his agent. Boras is only going to see some money if Manny hits the market as a free agent.

Pain heals, Chicks dig scars, Glory lasts Forever!

by billhune on Jul 28, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What would it take to get Manny?

Well if all it took to get A-Rod was Madonna, then we could offer a package of Lindsay Lohan, Brittney Spears, and Kim Kardashian…......that should do it, and we would’nt even have to give up any big stars.

by 44FAN on Jul 28, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You'd be giving up too much...

...those young ladies may be troubled, but they still have their charms.

If you can pick up A-Rod with a 50 year old that’s been around the block a few times, then you should be able to pick up Manny for what?

Is Tawny Kitaen still available?
How about Joan Rivers?
The Duchess of Cornwall seems about the right (throw in a feedbag and I’m sure Charles won’t mind too much)

I see red people

by The Limey on Jul 29, 2008 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well....

If any of them were in the least way attractive, maybe….

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jul 28, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

...these are such hoochie times…

by Rev Halofan on Jul 28, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the sinsemilla in the world

would not be enough to convince me to bring the space cadet Manny here. But it was funny watching him do the Pilates out there in LF a week and a half ago.

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 29, 2008 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

the Sox would never trade us Manny

and we don’t want him anyway

Where in case you haven't noticed, Howie's up to 3 HRs...

by hk47 on Jul 29, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

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