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Kotchman for Teixeira DONE

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Angels first baseman Casey Kotchman was pulled off the field during pregame warmups this afternoon at Fenway Park. And there are strong indications he is about to be traded to the Braves for Mark Teixeira, according to a source with knowledge of those discussions. Details are still being finalized, and additional, lesser names are expected to be involved. But Kotchman for Teixeira is the core of this deal.

The latest: A second source with knowledge of these discussions says the Braves will get Kotchman, plus a second lesser name, for Teixeira in a 2-for-1 deal.

MLB.com's Lyle Spencer says the second player is pitching prospect Stephen Marek.

-- ESPN

I boo this big time in my book.

SportsCenter just said it is a done deal. They've been traded for each other.

This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan and may or may not be a reflection of human evolution, divine enlightenment or nine cans into a 12-pack.

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Wow

If this is just a 3 month rental I don’t like it but If they can sign him, that would be a huge pickup. I like Kotchman a lot, but this is a big time power hitter we are talking about, someone who has proven himself in the AL no less. Let’s see how it plays out.

by Rycat512 on Jul 29, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

gonna miss Kotchrocket

however, it’s hard for me to believe that a front office historically so reticent to trade would proceed without receiving some sort of assurance that he’d sign…

load the spaceship with the rocket fuel... load it with the warriors...

by gdog009 on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

My thoughts exactly.

by Ajax on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the other player is Stephen Marek

says Lyle Spencer.

Link

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM PDT   0 recs

it's now official boys and girls!

Link to Story

it’s Kotch and Marek for Teixeira

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 3:02 PM PDT   0 recs

Noooooo

== Resident Point Tallier ==

by scottnak on Jul 29, 2008 3:02 PM PDT   0 recs

We'll sign him

Welcome Tex!

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM PDT   0 recs

i agree

I loved Kotchman… I really did.
but holy crap! Way to go Reagins!!

if we can sign Tex, this is HUGE for us.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I loved Kotchman too and I'll always root for him

But holy shit Tex is awesome and switch hits and plays the glove as good as Kotch. I’m sure TR wouldn’t have pulled the trigger unless he was sure we could get Tex signed for 2-3 years.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But we will never be able to resign him!

1) He said he wants to play on the east coast
2) Boras ALWAYS tests the market
3) The Yankees need a good 1B and always pay big for talent

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right. This is all true.

And, most likely this is only a rental. We will get 2 picks for Teixeira, but he probably won’t be a Halo next year. But in 2008 we are a LOT better.

Jim Scully

Jim Scully Home
Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even on that level ...

It seems like a pretty good deal … have to think about it for awhile.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

right.

This is what we have to ask ourselves. Is being the front runner for the series worth morgaging our future? Now we are in big trouble next year. We will have lost Tex, Kotch, AND K-Rod. And what if we dont win the series this year?? Then this is an epic fail!!

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Big trouble?

I was not aware that Kotch was a tour de force in our lineup.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol, you again?

Look. I’m sorry I called you an ass. Lets kiss and make up ok??

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's not being a jerk...

he’s right. Tex is a stud. Kotch is a future stud, but not on the level of Tex.

by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

and that is why this is a bad signing.

So we cant afford to pay K-rod, but we’ll sign a 1b when we had one on the books nice and cheap?????

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Jul 29, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually...

this doesn’t suck. I’ll just miss Kotchman.

Bummer on that front, but Teixeira is a stud. And Marek is a non-entity. It is good value – from a talent perspective – to get a player of Teixeira’s caliber.

Jim Scully

Jim Scully Home
Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good deal

As long as we’ve got a backroomer setup with Borass to guarantee Tex in Anaheim for 3 years at least

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM PDT   0 recs

There goes my favorite Angel

for a rental.

Wow, I miss stoneman

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM PDT   0 recs

He's gone

Get used to it. Teixeira in an Angels uniform might change your opinion. Give it time.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gonna miss Kotch

but i like this pick up. definitely risky if we aren’t in the WS in the fall but what a trade, i can’t believe it.

by SCHalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:05 PM PDT   0 recs

TERRIBLE TRADE!!!

There is virtually no way that we will be able to compete with the Yankees for Tex long term. We will lose him to FA and have a sub-par Morales playing 1B for us next year! Very short sighted of Reagans to do this. Kotch was having a career year!

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:05 PM PDT   0 recs

career year?

If this is Kotch’s career year then this is a slam dunk for the Angels. Kotch will probably have better seasons, but Morales is a major league ready player if we don’t sign Teixeira long term, which hopefully we will. Got to say that this is quite a gutsy move. I like it.

by Rycat512 on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

See my thread about Kotchman...

he was having a down year, actually. I think he is a better player than he has shown this year, but still he was having anything but a career year.

I am interested to see him regain him walk rate, and start to rake in the NL. That will be fun to watch. I wish ATL was still on the Superstation every day – that would have been cool.

Jim Scully

Jim Scully Home
Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Deal

I really like Kotchman. He’s a good hitter and a fine first baseman.

But even the most positive projections don’t indicate that he’ll ever have Teixiera’s power. Teix is also a fine 1B, so there should be no real dropoff from that perspective. Yeah, Casey’s got Angels blood in his veins (see Kotchman, Tom), but this makes the team – our team – better, and more likely to win a World Series.

Forget about the money. It’s Arte’s money, and he can spend it how he wants. Teix is not over the hill by any means (age 28 this year), and resigning him would not be a bad move.

Marek is perfectly expendable.

This is a good deal, people.

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

And Arte is very good at backroom deals. I would have faith in the fact that Tex is going to be with us a few years. Wow, the trade kinda blew my doors off but ffs we got Mark Texeiera for Kotch and a nothing reliever. Good deal.

World Series bound. Texeiera, welcome to your seat in the clubhouse next to Mr Torii Hunter.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Decent Deal

While I agree this isn’t a great trade since Kotch was probably one of my favorite Halo’s, even if we don’t resign Tex, the 2 draft picks are solid (probably better than Marek) and Kendry has been raking so having him there isn’t that bad, especially if this puts us into the WS this year.

by HaloFanInDC on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Yes

Marek is a fringe-y prospect, at best. The two compensatory picks should be better than Marek. So, if it means they have to play Morales (a guy to whom they’ve already paid a few million bucks), that’s OK, too.

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

100% Agreed

I like the trade on the surface. We are one of a few teams that have the abilityto resign Tex and he provides a power upgrade over Kotch for this year. WS or bust – and I have no problem with that seeings how we gave up no SP and we have Kendry in wings + 2 early draft picks if we can’t resign him.

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus Mark Trumbo coming up fast, from the looks of it.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but Trumbo's defense BLOWS.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And

if Teix leaves for NY next year, Kendry Morales steps in and probably provides just as much power at 1B as Kotchman would, so it’s not like they’d be up the creek.

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Kotch is better than Morales

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really want to hear the terms ...

I agree. This is not good for just this season, although we have a heck of a chance to take this all the way this year. If we have him even one more year, this looks like quite a good deal.

Also, Kotch’s value shot up, as it is only one minor leaguer, and not too high of a prospect (if I understand correctly) for Tex. That means something.

by matthiasstephan on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn... I really liked Krotch...

and I can’t use his nickname anymore.

Tex will be a great addition… but I can’t help think it’s a stupid move for a 2 month rental.

Krotch had a lot of promise for the future… We better do real well in the post season this year, or else.

by Red on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM PDT   0 recs

i am numb

a) we made a trade at the deadline
b) we lost a grea teammate in Kotch
c) we got Mark Teixeira!, a switch hitting power bat
d) is he a rental?

if rental means championship or at least World Series, it’s a good trade.

acuda is plotting now for Tex to leave and Kendry to get his chance to take over.

by SCHalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Settle down everybody!

When I heard about this trade, I knew the Bad Boy would be needed to calm you all down once more.

I never liked Kotchman as much as many here did. He seemed to do too many things that our hitters already did well. I love the power that Tex brings to this team. Arguably it’s been missing since the 2002 squad. Defensively, I prefer Kotch, but Tex is no slouch.

If Tex returns to the .280/40hr/120 rbi club, we have just gotten a steal. As for the whole issue of re-signing the guy, I think this is where the class that is LAA really will shine. Players like playing here, the ownership is set on winning, the women are easy (and cute), and the weather is perfect. Of course, I’m up in Nor-Cal, but that’s a story for another day. Oh and depending on how they perfrom the rest of the way, I’d prefer re-siging Tex and declining the option on Vlad.

PLUS, how cool will it be to watch Tex fuck his old team?

Bottom line is that we are easily the front runners to win the WS as it stands right now.

by Floppy Bad Boy on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

wow

acuda is stoked

Lets think short term: we’re a MUCH better team THIS SEASON

breathe, people.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

wow....im still stunned

i can’t believe we did it.

i am STOKED!!!!!

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Crap

I was hoping this was just smoke, Kotch is a great 1Bman with decent pop. If we can’t sign Teixera up to multi-year contract and he ends up being just a rental then I don’t know how I feel about this trade.

Guess I better go change my pregame picks.

by foxpaw on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT   0 recs

Bye bye Kotch

I loved ya …

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT   0 recs

Guys...

1) He said he wants to play on the east coast
2) Boras ALWAYS tests the market
3) The Yankees need a good 1B and always pay big for talent

We will not be able to resign him. We lost Kotch for a 2 month rental. That is a waste!!

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT   0 recs

relax homer

take a breather.
things can easily change

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

look, if we win the series this year then great!

but I think we could have won it with Kotch. I think this just weakens us in the long term

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bullshit

Arte’s too smart for that. It won’t be a rental. He’s already got it agreed or else TR would not have been able to pull the trigger.

Here comes TEX!

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No way.

That is an impossibility. Boras is the agent…

He will test FA. Guaranteed.

Jim Scully

Jim Scully Home
Haloville - Land of the Halos

by jimmuscomp on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Boras the Agent who has season tickets to the Angels

I am sure Arte is very familiar with the man.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you are right, my Highland friend

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Arte's got bigger cajones than even Boras my friend

I think we’ll be cool. Chill everyone, and celebrate the fact that switch-hitting power-hitting 1B Mark Teixeira is now going to be cranking in the middle of our lineup along with Vlad, Torii et al.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well then...

have a warm syrup-like lager for me. Thats how you guys drink it over there right? Warm like piss? :)

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if i'm not mistaken, I believe Arte has a good relationship with Boras

at least, that’s what i’ve heard

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 3:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He has NEVER saif that

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes he has.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Get the quote.

I guarantee he has not said that

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've already provided links to Texas fans talking about it.

I’m sorry, I don’t have dialogs for radio chats. But he did say it. They talked about it constantly at the time and people still make references to it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't buy it.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You don't have to believe him.

Players say BS all the time. But he did indicate the preference. And he did turn down $20 million for 8 years in Texas. These are facts. You can draw what conclusions you want.

Personally, I find the asking price currently being quoted on ESPN, 10 years $230 million, to be a tad steep even if he IS willing to play here.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let it go, guys...

we shall see. Two guys arguing on a blog isn’t going to get the extension done.

by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but

That $20M/8 is in TEXAS.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jul 29, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do not believe he said it.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Texas sucks. They really did not look good when he was there.

Daniels made a few bad mistakes when he was there why wouldn’t he test free agency?

Furthermore Boras is his agent. Boras guys always go to free agency. So who cares what Texas offered.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay if you say so

PS It is Tex not teix.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Boras BS

Listen Boras was and is Weaver’s agent. It did not stop them from drafting Weaver even though the demands were so high. The Angels did not get Weaver in the 2004 draft at 12th because he was the 22nd best player that year. Arte will not shy away from a guy because of the agent. If it fits he gets it. Thats how he works. He is also a sound business man as well.

Tex has a chance to win and do it in a big market as well. I am sure he will get a big contract, and I hope it is with the Angels. Kid can hit and with power.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Jul 29, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Arte, Boras and Tony have a "great" relationship, according to Tex

Boras has season seats in Anaheim.
Tex is playing for a contender with the chance to become a franchise player.

I say he resigns.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 29, 2008 10:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He has a season DUGOUT SUITE...

Nice digs…sure wish I could partake in the festivities in there, once.

by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2008 9:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That has absolutely nothing to do with my post

My point was Boras takes his clients into free agency. See Matt Holliday. Hence Tex did not re-up with Texas.

Weaver is a nonstarter in the relevancy department.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 30, 2008 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Holliday?

He has never went free agent. Not so sure what the Holliday reference was about. A Rod, Kenny Rodgers and Sheffield (did not go into FA pool and also fired the scum sucking leech)seemed to do all right after they got rid of him.

He had no say in becoming a Ranger, but he had a say in not staying with them. There is something to playing for a winning team. I like the deal and will like it more if they can sign him.

What is Weaver then? Non relevant isn’t exactly what I would call someone that is a SP on the team with the best record in baseball, and a winning % of .660 (33W-17L)

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Jul 30, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Holliday rebuffed Colorado's extension talks pretty straight forward really

Weaver was drafted by the Angels I amnot sure why you are having a hard time following this conversation. Weaver is not a free agent nor was he ANYWHERE near free agency when he joined the Angels.

My point is, it is very clear to me why Tex did not sign Texas’ contract offer. Reread the thread dude.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 30, 2008 11:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Clear

He didn’t sign because he was tired of the long hot summers in Texas along with the change in managers and GM’s not to mention the losing. The Braves are showing they are in a rebuild faze and I am sure the Angels will be a player in the Tex sweepstakes.

No comment on the ARod situation or Kenny Rodgers firing Boras and Sheffield? None of those players went on the market when they had Boras. In fact they fired him instead.

Most players will go out, and let the market be set by the bidders. Smart move by the player at times, but why leave if you like the team and the winning. I challenge you to name a player the Angels stayed away from in FA because of Boras.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs