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Casey Kotchman Traded

Welcome to Los Angeles of Anaheim, Mark Teixeira

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Your Feelings About "THE TRADE"
This was a GREAT move
260 votes
This is a DISASTROUS move
149 votes
I am going to miss Casey despite the logic of it all
637 votes

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earthquake, and now this

i’m going to church!

by yeswecan on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT   0 recs

the day the earth moved

The Rev recalled that plane crash the day of that Haloed comeback vs. Detroit two decades ago. Now we’ll all remember the Shake of ‘08: Teix, Tex, title here we come.

Go Mizzou.

by BuckyFox on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Steven Marek and Kotchman

is what angelsbaseball.com says…

by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT   0 recs

It's Lyle Spencer...

here is the snippet July 29th 2:46PM:
Teixeira for Kotchman, Marek close
According to an American League source, the Angels and Braves are close to a deal that would send Mark Teixeira to the Angels for first baseman Casey Kotchman and pitcher Stephen Marek.

It is not known if the Angels have had an opportunity to explore contract extension talks with Scott Boras, Teixeira’s agent. The slugging first baseman is set to become a free agent and is said to be seeking a deal for as many as eight years and upwards of $20 million per year.

Kotchman, arguably the MVP on the team with the Majors’ best record, would be under the Braves’ control through 2011. Marek is a hard-throwing reliever.

—Lyle Spencer

by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm having a beer and a smoke

And then even more beers and smokes. I’m loaded up, well stocked

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we still have adenhart and wood and rodriguez and walden

our future didnt no rest solely on kotchman

it makes sense. we have vlad at the end of his prime, torii hunter in his prime

we are built to win this year. Now we have a chance

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT   0 recs

We Have Kendry

Maybe we should start one of those wave things?

by WillGoAngels27 on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this deal

made too much sense not to pull the trigger

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 29, 2008 3:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Hopefully we can resign him

This immediately makes us the WS favorites.

by HungryHunter on Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT   0 recs

From a red sox fan espn comment

LamodafokinLey (6 minutes ago) Report Violation wow the angels just won the world series…....im a redsox fan!

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 29, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a Total Shocker

Never for a moment did I give any credence to the rumors.

Long live Kotch.

I’ll bet Tex is stoked.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 29, 2008 3:21 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm Sad...

But still happy to see we’ve got a lil’ more oomph…
still sad…

== Resident Point Tallier ==

by scottnak on Jul 29, 2008 3:21 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm sad too scott

But I’ll be happy to see Kotch be slow and slick with glove for the Braves. Will always root for him.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

positive thinking

GA + Frankie’s contracts gone next year = 22 million off the books

We might have room to try and extend Tex

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 29, 2008 3:21 PM PDT   0 recs

and if we dont

dont we get the 2 compensation draft picks?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 29, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

4 with Franky leaving too.

This offseason’s going was already going to be full of interesting opportunities before this, but now…

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But at only one position

8 years/$20M per? Uh.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't like this deal at all

Not really sure it’s a huge upgrade, huge contract, not likely to re-sign on the West Coast. Horrible deal.

by LA Seitz on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Wow, imagine

I’m actually a little more optimistic than somebody, if only slightlyl. As others have pointed out, the Angels have Kendry Morales if they can’t do a deal with Teix in the offseason, and Trumbo appears to be learning this year at the minor league level. (Certainly his 5-for-5 night with a pair of homers looks rather interesting, though it was one of those matchups; Chris Pettit also homered twice.) What really worries me about Kotch is that he might become a monster offensive force once freed from the Hatcher monster.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he'll never be a big power hitter

i imagine his walks will go back up though as will his average. A solid major leaguer he will always be. Im not sure he’ll ever be an allstar because he doesnt have the 1st base power, but he’ll always be a great value at first.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Low level relief pitcher my ass

Yet that was the rumor I believed

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 29, 2008 3:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Great short-term trade, possibly bad long-term

Looking at the numbers:

Kotchman: 287/327/448
Teixeira: 283/390/512

Teixeira also has more home runs than anyone on the Angels this year.

Yes, this deal might hurt us later on. But will we care if Teixeira helps us win a World Series?

by gilbert on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM PDT   0 recs

I would sell my soul. Oops Reagins already did.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe. But we're also not devoid of depth at first. We have Morales and the recently emerging

Mark Trumbo as backup. Honestly, there are a LOT of good reasons to do this deal. It’s not comfortable in some ways, but IMO it’s more likely to be a help than a hindrance.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bye KOTCH!

You Will Be Missed!

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Jul 29, 2008 3:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Yes, I'll miss him too

I like this trade and I’ll still miss Kotch. He gave us several good years here.

by gilbert on Jul 29, 2008 3:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Poll

Can I vote for both the 1st and 3rd choices?

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Vlad should be doing cartwheels.

This is going to be the best impact bat to be hitting behind him since he’s been an Angel, and possibly in his entire career.

That 1-2 combination, is very Ortiz/Manny-esque…

by bc56274 on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT   0 recs

LOL

he cant even run let alone do any cartwheels!!

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Possibly?

It is not even close. Previous to this Jose Guillen

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't select any of those 3 options in the poll

If they resign Tex it’s a good deal, if not then I’d rather have Kotchman.

Also Tex’s numbers will go down in Anaheim. The NL East is not a pitching dominated league. The 4 teams in the NL East other than ATL rank 6th, 7th, 11th and 14th in ERA.

by MH252525 on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Bandbox stadium.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In 2006

He hit better on the road then at home. .298 to .266 and 21 HRs to 12.

by ReggieBullits on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Look at his home / road splits in Texas

Better hitter on on the road by far.

by HungryHunter on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus

A .978 OPS in the last 3 years at Angel Stadium (91 AB).

by HungryHunter on Jul 29, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve personally seen Teix hit some monster HRs at the Big A, much to my chagrin. I’ll be singing quite a different tune if he does it again, though, at least in 2008!

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Only in one season.

Otherwise always better there.

That one season he wasn’t good in Texas is the same year that Juice did something similar. 1-year anomalies do not change park effect.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a bandbox really

but it plays one on TV. Their problem is the jet streams in the power alleys.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

If we can resign him then this is the greatest deal in Halo History! If he walks, then it is a terrible deal because we lost our 1B. And dont tell me that Morales is just as good as Kotch because he isnt

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But do the math.

Assume that Tex does not re-sign. Assume that the Angels are a lock for the playoffs. Now:

Going forward starting in 2009, the difference between Morales as 1B (both defense and offense) and Kotch at 1B (defense and offense) is the performance cost you are paying for Tex at 1B (offense and defense) versus Kotch at 1B (offense and defense) in your playoff run.

Francisco Rodriguez: 190 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We better put you...

in protective custody.

Beware of Acuda

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Jul 29, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sh!t. damn.

Bigger than the earthquake. Can’t imagine we gave up Kotch for a few months of Teixeira…which means what, 3, 4, 5 years @ 20M? And I guess this indicates we’re in it to WIN IT which I can’t argue with. Still, Kotch, we hardly knew ye…but we’ll be sure to get your ring to you…

by LUVtheLAA on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT   0 recs

i would rather lose with Kotch

than win with Tex

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Jul 29, 2008 3:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Dumb

Always want to win

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What does "lose" mean?

I’m an Angel fan.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What have the Mariners ever won?

116 and out is not an accomplishment.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 30, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That makes no sense.

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Jul 29, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's the team not the players

I always like the players but I love the Angels. I like Kotch but I like the Angels winning more! I’m here for the ride till the day I die. Today was a good day!

by Monkeyspanked on Jul 29, 2008 9:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose I kind of suspected it would happen.

With Morales in AAA and the perception being that we need more power RIGHT NOW, it’s not surprising. Still I’m going to miss Kotch. It was fun watching him become a major leaguer and I wish him luck in Atlanta.

Logically this trade makes sense whether Teix stays or not… but damn. I really liked that guy.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 29, 2008 3:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Somone get a paper bag...

Hud is so excited he’s hyper-ventaliating. HA HA!

Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!

by Scuff on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Please god dont let Manny be next.

I got a nasty feeling Tony isnt done plucking the homegrown garden.

by SFV88 on Jul 29, 2008 3:53 PM PDT   0 recs

With a tear in my left eye, and a smile cocked to the right...

This is bittersweet, I’m sure most of us would agree. But what’s done is done, and I see no need in compaining about getting a hitter of Tex’s caliber as much as I’ll miss Kotch.

Bottom line: we have a sick playoff lineup and five solid starters. There are no excuses now.

Btw, I just watched the four clowns on Around the Horn declare the Angels not only a threat to the Chowds, but to EVERY team in baseball. And that was before this trade went down.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Angels didn't ask for an extension negotiation window

Per Keith Law.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2008 3:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Oops, Jayson Stark

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh always believe what Jayson Stark tells you

FFS duck get a brain

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Jul 29, 2008 7:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Aubrey Huff

is playing his age 31 season; Teix is playing his age 28 season. There’s a big difference right there.

Teix’s career OPS is .909 (132+), Huff is at .822 (116+). Teix is a Gold Glove 1B.

Big difference

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but...

Teixeira didn’t have the surrounding cast in Atlanta that he will here. It should be awesome to behold. Every night somebody in this lineup is gonna trash the rival pitcher.

by Monkeyspanked on Jul 29, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Think About It

This is, far and away, the best deal for a “Big Bat” that could possibly be imagined – far better than anything that’s been rumored over the last three years. It cost only 1 player off the ML roster – the guy who’s being replaced by the Big Bat. It did not cost a single pitcher from the ML roster, nor did it cost anyone expected to contribute in 2009.

by jjackflash on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Contribute

Kotch would have been a guy in 2009. Not sure if Tex will be though.

Never been a big fan of trading everyday players that do play a major factor in the teams success for a guy that will also in a teams point of view play a big part in the success. I have always been good with trading future so called prospects with little or no experience at the big league level in order to upgrade the current teams run for a championship.

This is the reason I had brought up someone like a Huff (4-5 / HR 22 / 4 RBI tonight @NYY) The thinking was you give up some minor league player that is stuck behind current young proven players at the big league level. With that said though I think Tex does make the team better today and for the rest of the season. Just hope he is in an Angel uniform come late Feb of 2009. Huff would have been.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Jul 29, 2008 11:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a hard time stomaching this deal

Even though I think we got a great deal, I am truly going to miss Kotch as homegrown talent. Tex is a major upgrade and should make us a lock for a WS title… however, I am concerned about where this leaves us for next year.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Jul 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Long-term?

From ESPN:

The Angels didn’t ask for a window to negotiate an extension with Teixeira. But it’s expected that they’ll make a massive effort to sign him to a long-term deal, after trading away their every-day first baseman, and a player they were especially fond of, in Kotchman. Teixeira is a Scott Boras client, however. And early rumblings are that his initial asking price will be in the neighborhood of 10 years, $230 million.

Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!

by Scuff on Jul 29, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this was a bad move...

If they could have worked out an extension as part of the deal, it would have been ok. As it is, we get two months of a mild bat upgrade at first (I don’t think Tex is really that much better than Kotch) and we’ll have neither of them for next year. All this for a possibility of more power in the playoffs this year? Nobody is a lock for the WS… we could easily get knocked out in the first round by the Rays for all we know.

This is a move to satisfy the talking heads on TV and radio… nothing more.

by thetooth on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM PDT   0 recs

And how is his personality?

Will he be good in the clubhouse? Is he going to play Angels-style team baseball? These are big questions to me since we had arguably the best team in baseball before the trade with NO issues in the clubhouse and a solid team effort every game.

by thetooth on Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up