What do you think of this move?

by Jay Cal on Jul 3, 2008 8:52 AM PDT

Here's my moves

Cleveland: Juan Rivera, Maicer Izturis, and Nick Adenhart for C.C. Sabathia

Colorado: John Garland and Mike Napoli for Matt Holliday

I really like Napoli, Willits, and Izturis. But if they could bring us another world class starter and a spark to our outfield offense.

That would make our starting line up look like...

3B Figgins

2B Kendrick

LF Holliday

RF Guerrero

DH Anderson

CF Hunter

1B Kotchman

SS Aybar

CH Matthis

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Rocky Mountain Hijack

I think it’ll take more than that to get Holliday.

Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!

by anaheimisnotla on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 AM PDT 0 recs

both of these offers are grossly unrealistic

by Of Angels and Angles on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 AM PDT 0 recs

Isn't Jerry West the GM of the Rockies?

by melvintoast on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

you've got a few holes...

first off, both teams would want waaaaaaaaaay more for both of those players.

secondly, GA has no business batting 4th in the order anymore. he shouldn’t be hitting anywhere higher than 6th. ever.

thirdly, we’re in no position to trade out starting pitching, and BOTH of those teams would want it, not just one of them.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 AM PDT 0 recs

I cannot even make a sarcastic remark

There is no way shape or form that either of those clubs even returns an email with those offers in them.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs

wow

you know it’s bad when the Rev can’t even be sarcastic

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Maybe we can throw in our version of Kwame Brown (GMJ) in there,

and the Rockies brass will be as stupid as Memphis to bite. And GMJ will waive his no-trade clause????

Nah, back to reality …........... We’re stuck with that albatross.

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM PDT 0 recs

When at sea

the most fortunate ship is the one with an albatross sailing alongside.

by TheTypingFiend on Jul 3, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up 0 recs

Maybe GMJ as albatross is an insult to the albatross

How about GMJ as iceberg to the Titanic Halos?

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 3, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, that should work

except in your analogy, we’re the Lakers…which would mean we’d have to lose to a Boston team rather than win a championship.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 4, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Meh,

I was just trying to get some discussion going. What would it take for Sabathia? Would it be worth it? What would it take for Holliday? Would it be worth it?

by Jay Cal on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 AM PDT 0 recs

And...

would you be willing to make them.

by Jay Cal on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up 0 recs

The Angels are going to stand pat.

by Downing Rules on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up 0 recs

i said this in another post

to me, holliday would cost weaver, wood, willits and adenhart

people are comparing the contract he’ll be getting to the one miguel cabrera just got. He still has another year on that contract after this season, so its not a half season rental, thus hes more expensive. So put your offer more in the ballpark of what we were offering for Miguel Cabrera

also, fyi, jon garland is a free agent after this year and mike napoli is not better than yorvit torrealba really. So youd actually be paying about .01 on the dollar there. if even. thats like 1 peso on the dollar.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 10:30 AM PDT 0 recs

"mike napoli is not better than yorvit torrealba" ...

... is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard in a while. Napoli has a career OPS of 109; Torrealba: 80. Napoli has 38 homers in 626 ABs, none of them in Coors Field. Torrealba has 34 in 1499.

by mattwelch on Jul 3, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

While I agree

with you that I would rather have Napoli, I would suggest that Yorvit is a superior defensive player. That is purely opinion however.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 3, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yorvit

Is a rich man’s Jose Molina.

by BBFan1 on Jul 3, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

i tend to agree

naps+coors field=40 HR potential (at least). While the rockies would love that, the discussion is moot. Why? Because anyone familiar with the rockies needs will realize they already have a hotshot catcher prospect. they dont need a catcher.

I AM THOR, GOD OF THUNDER. BOW TO MY WILL AND MY HAMMER!

by anaheim angels on Jul 4, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up 0 recs

although I agree

it would take more then the diary suggested to get him (Naps and a pitcher in his last yr of contract) – I don’t think it would take as much as you suggest. I am not necessarily for getting Holiday but I think it would probably be along the lines of Matthews (+50% of his salary), Adenhart, Napoli.

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 4, 2008 7:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

H O L L I D A Y

sad sad sad how many of you fall for the matt-H “great white hope” hype.

and sabathia would be our #3 at his current best.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM PDT 0 recs

thank you rev

i dont know why we would be after sabathia at all.

by kingfish on Jul 3, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

We don't need another pitcher

Especially one that would take a lot of proven talent and/or great upside prospects for a pitcher in his walk year when you can get a solid pitcher avaialble for nothing but money – Freddy Garcia. Wouldn’t even need to sign him long term.

BTW – did I mention pitching really isn’t our need right now

Outfielders For Sale.

by gorams77 on Jul 4, 2008 7:19 AM PDT up 0 recs

All Indications

OOps, hit the post buttom. I think CC is hurt!!

"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"

by Hapyorange on Jul 3, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

Here's my moves

Cleveland: Nick Green, Brandon Wood, and Nick Adenhart for C.C. Sabathia

Colorado: Nick Green, Hanley Statia and Nick Adenhart for Matt Holliday

by BBFan1 on Jul 3, 2008 12:12 PM PDT 0 recs

Neither of those offers is enough

by Rev Halofan on Jul 3, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

My opinion is

that Cleveland may have thier sights set too high. Sabathia IS a CY winner, but clearly something is amiss with him this year. They are NOT offering any negotiation window, so that would seem to lower thier return..

As the deadline approaches, I think it will become clear who is still a viable contender and who is not. The wild speculation will give way to what the tribe can really hope to get in return for 2+ months of thier (potentially hurt) ace.

Cleveland really has no choice but to trade him, regardless of what Shapiro says about draft compensation.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 3, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

add an MLB player into both of those and you may be on to something

an Aybar or Kendrick kind of player

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

No Halo there is proven talent

I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...

by Rally Manatee on Jul 3, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

We can get

CC Sabathia for FREE (relatively speaking) in NOVEMBER. Apparently his agent has already contacted Reagins about being interested in a deal (not sure if I read that here or elsewhere…).

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jul 3, 2008 12:21 PM PDT 0 recs

contacting Reagins would be TAMPERING

they don’t work that way.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 3, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hypothetically

They would never mention names, but maybe the agent calls up and says:

“What if, and we are just spitballing here, I had a 6’7” 300 lbs pitcher who is a Cy Young contender each year and strikes out lots of guys …. what would someone (not naming names) like that be worth to you?

I don’t see that we really need him worse than the teams that are really going to open the wallet. I know the Red Sox would want him, but they have no room at the moment. Most likely he winds up in New York.

But me, just once I would like to have an off-season where we don’t sign any “type A” FA, so we can have a first round pick.

by elricsi on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

The players you wouldn't mind trading away

are the same players other teams don’t want. Teams are going to ask for Saunders, Santana, Weaver, Kendrick, Dondo, K-Rod, Lackey and Kotchman. Unless Im forgetting someone everyone else on the team would basically be worth minor leaguers or be fillers.

You would never accept a trade for three unproven players for Lackey, would you?

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree with you...

and that’s a good way of putting it by comparing a trade for Lackey.

I think the Angels will be fine, no way they should trade for Holliday…he’s good, but not THAT good. And definintely not worth what it’d take to get him. The only move they should make is maybe to upgrade the bullpen, but then only something minor. Playing Rivera full time (if he’s able to duplicate his 2006 numbers) and sitting GMJ would be like making the trade the Angels need.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Jul 3, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

Oh, and another thing

If a team signs Bonds now, would they have to give up a draft pick? Was he a type A free agent, and if so, how long would a team have to wait before they don’t lose a pick?

I personally think Bonds would be a good addition, but only with the strict stipulation that there’d be no entourage, special treatment, etc. The guy’s a dick, but he’s an on base, slugging machine.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up 0 recs

nicely said

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

If Chris Wallace is not the GM then those trades are not going to work

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

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by hauldog on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 PM PDT 0 recs

How about Chris Hanson?

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

Why dont

you take a seat over here for a minute.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jul 3, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

With Chris Hanson as GM, the hoped-for Luis Polonia comeback would never be.

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 3, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

that's not funny.

Children are raped like that every day.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

Deal for Jason Bay

Wouldn’t a “rebuilding” team be a tad more willing to take a gaggle of unproven players for one hitter? That way, if more than one turns out to tear it up in the bigs, they’ve got young, cheap talent for years.

The Pirates seem to be unsettled on a SS and have an offensively weak 2B. Bautista at 3B has a bit of power, but a low BA, and their starting rotation looks dismal.

So, we ask for Jason Bay who’s career OPS is .892, and he isn’t a free agent until after ‘09.

We give them a replacement outfielder (Rivera or Willits), 2 AAA infielders (Wood, Brown, Rodriguez…take your pick) or just Maicer Izturis, and 1 AAA starter (Adenhart or Green). I think they would only stand to improve, and we’d have a 2nd genuine slugger.

Then, we go with a lineup of Figgins, Kendrick, Bay, Guerrero, Hunter, Kotchman, Anderson/Matthews, Napoli/Mathis, Aybar. Pretty fierce.

I acknowledge that this leaves us a little thinner on the bench and in the farm, but we’ve got to shake things up a bit.

I will now accept your criticism.

I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...

by Rally Manatee on Jul 3, 2008 4:44 PM PDT 0 recs

if we were 5.5 games back i would see the need to "shake things up"

...but we are in FIRST PLACE by 5.5 games on the 4th of July!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Rev Halofan on Jul 3, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

And we'll stay in 1st

Yes, I’m confident we’ll remain in 1st all the way, then lose in the 1st round. I’m not the only one who thinks we’ve been 1 bat short of a world championship for the last 4 years.

I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...

by Rally Manatee on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

We don't have guys with patience and power

It seems like the Angels’ offensive ability is hindered because there are not enough guys who are going to work the counts and make you pay when it counts.

I’m going to be banging my head against something, when we are down 6-2 in a clinching game for the other team in the Division Series. I can see it now, Juan Rivera and Kendry Morales are still sitting on the bench despite being legit power threats. HGH or Aybar are trying to unsuccessfully bunt for a hit, Vlad is hurting, while GA strikes out with the bases loaded as our season dies in the wind.

by BBFan1 on Jul 3, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

Except the problem the last three playoffs has been actually getting our team on the field

2004- Bart is hurt, Glaus is hurt, Guillen is gone, Garret is hurt, Erstad is hurt, Salmon is hurt, Bengie is hurt. Rather unsurprisingly, we lose.

2005- Mostly fine until game 5 of the ALDS, where our second best hitter (Bengie) is pegged by the Yanks. Cy Young winner Colon pulls something. We still win the first game, and probably would have won the second if not for a certain jackass umpire. Instead, momentum shifts, and short series being what they are, we lose.

2007- Vlad hurt, GA acquires pink-eye, Figgins hurt, GMJ hurt, Kotch gets food poisoning.

The whole “one big bat” thing is a myth. All we’ve really needed is 9 healthy guys.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

Health

The front office stance for the last several years has been ‘oh if all these guys are just healthy, they’ll perform to their capability.’

The problem is the Angels have never been healthy come the post season [as noted] and if the Angels don’t get help, maybe the team is the equivalent to a Oakland team [gets to the playoffs, but doesn’t quite get it done] as opposed to a team that can reach the World Series.

by BBFan1 on Jul 3, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

Problem is

health tends to be the determining factor in who wins. In both 2004 and 2007, Boston had all their guys ready to go (Though Curt Shilling did tough out that ankle injury). St. Louis sucked all year, but in September they got healthy, and the Mets got hurt.

In 2002, we were healthy, and we won. In 2005, we were healthy for the first series, and we won. One more big bat would not have made the difference in 07 or 04 with the other problems we had. Things like pink-eye and food poisoning are random and uncontrollable. And in fact, most of the time the WS winner was healthy through the regular season too.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

speaking of jason bay...

“The Angels are in the hunt for a big bat before the trading deadline arrives at the end of the month and the team wants either Colorado’s Matt Holliday or Pittsburgh’s Jason Bay. Bay is more likely since the Angels probably wouldn’t be able to trade big leaguers for Holliday and the team would also need to divest itself of Gary Matthews in order to afford the deal. Matthews has a no-trade clause and apparently doesn’t really want to go anywhere. (Denver Post)”

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by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

The bench is always open.

He can enjoy his NT clause from there.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

i agree

so do we all finally agree on something? is Jason Bay universally accepted by HH?

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

No.

Bay is basically Holliday without Coors. I (and others) still say Juan should get his shot, and would deliver most, if not all, of what those guys will.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

juan will get a shot

but i think it’s going to take more

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think you forget what a healthy, full-time Juan is capable of

.310, .362, .525, .887

That was his line the last time we actually played healthy Juan Rivera. Jason Bay and Matt Holliday will NOT do any better than that out of Angel Stadium. I guarantee it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up 0 recs