A'ss trade harden and Gaudin for...
by wallispdub1 on Jul 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
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absolutely nothing. On the surface this will seal the west for us but one cant count out the ability of Bean to find talent out of nothing....
http://sportsline.com/mlb/story/10890977
what do you guys think of the trade?
In my opinion this trade is the best thing to happen to the angels this season and for future seasons to come. they traded two quality starters for nothing in return! thank you billy bean! i can imagine that when we look back on the season we will see this as the turning point as to how the west was won and how it will be won for the next few years!
GO ANGELS!!!!!!!!!
sometimes the best trades are the ones never made, or in this instance the ones others make!
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right thats what i thought when i first read about the trade
but come on they got absolutely nothing in return
by wallispdub1 on Jul 8, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this might help the A's in the long run
but is good for the Angels in the short-run.
Angels in 08!
by tanana40 on Jul 8, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Will it help the Angels get past round 1 in October?
No.
I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...
by Rally Manatee on Jul 8, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, possibly...
A suddenly lifeless A’s could mean an additional 9 automatic (or close to it) wins for the Halos…that could help the Angels get homefield in the playoffs, my sea-dwelling Halo friend.
by Downing Rules on Jul 8, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru-dat.
You’re right. And that seemed to be a big factor last year.
I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...
by Rally Manatee on Jul 8, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also allows
players that are hurt or tired to get an extra day or 2 prior to playoff games (assuming they are far enough ahead in the standings.)
Lamest poster of all-time.
by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 8, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane got raped on this one.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 8, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if harden can stay healthy, he did
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 8, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude they got a tub of crap
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 8, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tub bigger than bucket
not luminous changing of player between two team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 8, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
their all friends didn't study every match of player exchange
green shirt white shoe men don’t have luminous resistance power to player change
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 8, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh... Murton and Gallagher were supposed to be good
and if Harden breaks down, like always, then i dont think Beane got raped
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 8, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
It’s a pretty even trade says USSM and I agree. Gallagher is the deal’s centerpiece; he can be a very dominating lefty when he’s on, and he’s still a bit young to write off, but the Cubs’ future is this year the way they’re playing. In all, a good deal for both sides.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 8, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
USSM sucks
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 8, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is overrating Gallagher and underrating Gaudin.
Bottom line is the A’s blew up their season for a guy who needs a ton of work, two outfielder who are worse than what they already have, and a catching prospect at least three-four years away.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as it seems for Fremont
Gallagher is a 22 year old potentially very solid pitcher who has pitched well so far this year for the Cubs and will immediately be a factor in a still pretty good A’s rotation. Murton was the starting LF for the Cubs at the beginning of ‘06 and has great potential. His window though may be closing as his potential has gone somewhat unfulfilled. Patterson looks to be speedster who might get a chance for some playing time in LF for them and I think is about the same age as Murton.
Pretty even deal, I actually think.
by swiss mcgee on Jul 8, 2008 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher is a 22-year old
Who needs work and has pitch-count problems. Murton is a guy who will probably hit fairly well if given a shot, but expect the AL transition to hurt him. Patterson is getting old for a prospect, might hit well, might not. Donaldson is years away.
Overall? If they get lucky Oakland breaks even on this trade next year when Gallagher blooms into a good pitcher. Otherwise, they got beat, but not too badly. Biggest problem is they got a bunch of OF already, but Beane may flip them for someone else.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Billingsley had pitch count problems in 2007
Doesn’t seem to have affected him much in 2008.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still having the pitch-count problems.
Under 6-innings per start. And he was pitching a lot better last year than Gallagher is this year.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They traded two quality arms. It was a very light haul.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 8, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs
Gave up nothing of any value to their team. They’re 5th starter, extra outfielder, extra infielder, and catching prospect (blocked by soto anyway), for two solid starters. To me, even if harden breaks down, this is a relatively low risk trade that still strengthens their rotation with gaudin slotting in behind 2 all-star starters.
Howie for MVP!
by angels.vlad27 on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but the A's still did get some good pieces
it’s obviously a better looking trade for the Cubs at this point, but in a few years, who knows?
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 8, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great for us, another limp-dick feeling for A's fan!
The Ace has left that Hole in Oakland! Why be a long-term A’s fan when players at or on the verge of stardom leave that place? At least there’s two pitchers - Gaudin and Harden - that we don’t gotta face!
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on Jul 8, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's some serious cliff-diving going on at AN
It’s pretty ugly.
by Downing Rules on Jul 8, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm happiest about is we don't have to face Gaudin again unless it's in interleague, the World Series or spring training
... and your nick is still the best in HH history, Aase
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 12, 2008 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I left out why I don't like facing Gaudin
a) He usually pitches shit lights out against us
b) He’s a damn ugly inbred hillbilly with a stupid goatee and looking at him makes me want to puke
c) He hits a lot of our batters, usually our good players, and usually injuries our guys when he beans us
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 12, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade is good for the Halos today and tomorrow.
I don’t understand this move at all. Harden and Gaudin could have commanded much more from other teams. Hell, the trading deadline is still weeks away. Beane normally trades for high ceiling pitching prospects. Just don’t get this one.
Touch'em all
by THE VOICE on Jul 8, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher has a pretty high ceiling.
He needs to work on pitch count and control, but who doesn’t? He’s got some potential with 7.5 K/9 and a big frame though. Think Colon or CC Sabathia as his high end, Blanton as his low end.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson, Murton and Donaldson are just "eh"
But Gallagher… go take a quick peak at the dude’s minor league numbers. He threw up a sub 3.00 ERA and good 1.24 WHIP with a K an inning in the minors, and did so at young-ish ages for each level.
Definitely scared of Gallagher, but yeah, the rest is crap.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on Jul 8, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's got work to do though.
Bottom line is that he’s not replacing Harden this year.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 starters > Gallagher
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 8, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're not competing now
2 starters (not under long term control) = Gallagher + pieces (under long term control.)
Still say the Cubs (and the Angels) come out slightly ahead overall. If harden is healthy, he is a bargain at 7M next year.
Lamest poster of all-time.
by ineptituderunsamok on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson, Murton and Donaldson are just "eh"
But Gallagher… go take a quick peak at the dude’s minor league numbers. He threw up a sub 3.00 ERA and good 1.24 WHIP with a K an inning in the minors, and did so at young-ish ages for each level.
Definitely scared of Gallagher, but yeah, the rest is crap.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on Jul 8, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
doh... it looked like it froze. sorry for the double post.
Willits needs to play, every, single, freaking, day. Now.
by 101halo on Jul 8, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little jealous
Whether it’s a good trade or not cannot be evident to anyone at this point, but what I do know is that Beane makes these significant mid-season trades in his sleep, and Rea-stonema-gins is paralyzed.
This makes me think we should be able to get Jason Bay for Willits, S-Rod, and Adenhart.
I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...
by Rally Manatee on Jul 8, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we could just play Rivera
Get the same numbers, and keep all our awesome minor league talent.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easier to sell than buy
Although Beane picked up Dye, Damon and some other pieces during an impressive early 2000’s run.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 9, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great trade for the Cubbies, but then again ........
It’s the Cubs; they’ll find some reason(s) to fuck it up in the end.
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just heard on ESPN that we'll be facing Gallagher on Friday night.
so we get the first look at the kid… interesting
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on Jul 8, 2008 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs only won 2 of the 10 games he appeared in this season.
Including his last start 7/6 against STL in which he went 6 and gave up 6 hits, 1 ER with 4 Ks and a BB. Tthat was on the road against a division rival. He lost his only other 2 starts this season, both to AL teams (CWS & BAL). The loss to the CWS looks like a product of no run support. He went 7 and gave up 3 ER on 5 hits.
by ReggieBullits on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap. That's a loss.
We have a knack for making rookies on their first start look like Cy Young.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jul 9, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially LHP's
Like the Angels faced last night and will face again tonight.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 9, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Gallagher
is a Right-Handed Pitcher.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 10, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His comment had NOTHING to do with a watermelon smashing comedian....
he was discussing the Halos lack of ability to hit out-of-nowhere leftys.
by Downing Rules on Jul 10, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd hit them better
if we left our best lefty hitter in when we faced them.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 11, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't the Beane screwed up
It’s definitely a good trade from our perspective, but it’s only a matter of time before harden breaks down again and so beane sold him for less than his value when healthy. He basically gave up going for full value in order to get most of his value before he breaks down again.
Howie for MVP!
by angels.vlad27 on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Healthy?
I have a sneaking suspicion that Harden is already breaking down again. In his start against the Angels last Tuesday, his velocity was down noticeably and he had trouble throwing strikes – the Halos (of all teams) ran his pitch count to its limit in all of five innings. He got beat in his next start as well. I have a feeling that Beane didn’t want him to make even one more start for Choakland.
by jjackflash on Jul 8, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs approached Beane
so maybe he saw a golden opportunity to keep Harden off the A’s DL and still get new blood on the roster at the same time.
by TheTypingFiend on Jul 8, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He claimed dead arm
after that start. Not a great way to start off your stint with a new team. Fortunately he’ll get some time off with the All-Star break.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet Beane
Don’t for a second think BB didn’t know what he was doing. I am with the post saying Harden is a few innings away from the DL. The guy has been on it more then he hasn’t in the last 2+ years.
Knowing BB I am guessing that as soon as the Brewers made the deal for CC Beane picked up the phone and called Jim Hendry knowing the Cubs would be willing to talk about a trade.
Murton is a guy that will help the A’s and can play. As for Gallagher he is a guy that has shot through the Cubs system. Cubs look like they may have gotten the best of the deal right now (Harden healthy) but time will tell for the A’s. After all im sure the Tigers thought they won in the trade for Doyle Alexander when he went 9-0, and all they gave up was a guy named Smotlz who wouldn’t see the big leagues for another year and when he did he went 2-7.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 9, 2008 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
He is just gun shy because Blanton’s value has absolutely fallen off of a cliff since the trade deadline last year when he did not move him.
Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.
Kobe tell me how my ass tastes
by hauldog on Jul 9, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much
The Cubs were in talks about this weeks ago.
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by scareduck on Jul 9, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite reaction from our "friends" at AN
” Well.
Thanks. Nothing like the good ol’ FUCK MY DAY (at least) for the midseason, too, since doing it every offseason isn’t enough.”
HA! good times….
Gather around, children, for the Legend of Mighty Kirk McCaskill
by HaloDutch on Jul 9, 2008 7:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand this reaction
Harden wasn’t going to help them that much, and it was a big question mark as to whether he would be able to get them to the promised land even if he did hold up for a whole season.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Jul 9, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they are just a few games off the pace for a playoff spot
and half a season left to get it, with a favorable schedule. Why would you think that Harden would not be of enough help to get them into those playoffs? Why ditch two top arms in your rotation when the possibilities are lining up pretty well for you at the moment?
by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden's DL time
‘Nuff said.
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by scareduck on Jul 9, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's brittle.
And most likely will break down again. But my point is that it’s not like the A’s needed a huge amount of support from him to make up those 3.5 games. Take as much as he gives ya’.
by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorable Schedule for the A's???
Not really. After the All-Star Break, The A’s have 41 road games remaining. 26 Home Games…to go along w/ a ton of injuries.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 10, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A home game...
is like playing in a library…11,000 people…the crickets would be louder.
It seems likely that the team will play better on the road, more excitement with a crowd actually attending the games.
by Downing Rules on Jul 10, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Good Read
Here is a look at the trade by the folks at Baseball Analysts
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/07/cubs_land_harde.php#comments
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 9, 2008 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy boy bean
Regardless, he just traded away any possibility for this season. Maybe Harden tanks, maybe not.
And we may not be able to hit Texas pitching, but others will.
The new odds for the Angels winning the division in Vegas must be very tempting for non-angels fans.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 10, 2008 3:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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