Marketing Perfection
It is absolutely harder to write about a baseball team when they are winning, as so much coverage one gives a team is either about what has happened and cannot be changed or what needs to be done in order for things to change. When things are happening that you like - where it ain't broke so don't fix it - instead of writing – which comes from an impulse to create or RE-present reality as you wish it to be – I simply kick back and watch the team like everyone else.
The biggest disagreements on this blog are about the coming offseason and beyond. Heated discussions concern Frankie and Teixeira, New York budgets and perceived grudges divined by casual comments reported in the sports sections of the area’s desperate, dying print editions. There was quite a quibble with Izturis batting 2nd instead of Howie, but 19-5 since the All-Star break sort of stops people in their tracks and makes even the most impassioned lineup nitpickers shrug with delight.
There is always ESPN lack of respectful coverage, Physioc’s tortuous broadcasts and why we bother with Gary Matthews Junior, but what is a complaining, pessimistic Angels fan to do when the team has suddenly transformed into the universally-acknowledged best-run franchise in sports? Our starting pitching is nails, our lineup is deep and dangerous, our defense is alert and smart, our bullpen is as solid as it gets, our bench snuffs out any other in baseball, our manager is a meticulous genius, our general manager is the gutsiest gambler on casino Earth and our owner is a championship shy of becoming a universal folk hero.
The funniest part in all of this is that there is still a segment of fans who analyze the team with the budget in mind. This is a recent, yet deeply ingrained tradition, exploited by Michael Lewis in his Moneyball classic to amplify the genius of a general manager employed by a tight-ass penny pincher. Moneyball is ancient history. It’s methodology is laughably antiquated. It is simply from an era long passed and it also has not demonstrably accomplished shit, save for making a cult hero out of Billy Beane to like, what, 400 internet baseball geeks.
Clever propaganda to the end, Moneyball saw the demise of the valuation of the Oakland franchise from the top 3rd of baseball into the bottom quarter – why? Because fans were taught to bring the budget into their analysis of players, of trades, of signings - every discussion included Lew's dollars as sympathetic sacrficial lambs - the discussion of optimisitic hope was predicated with a downer fiscal discussion as the team allegedly just could not afford talent and insisted the mantra of crystal ball stat-projections would trump investing in the hopes and dreams of fans by paying star players what they are worth.
The players did not strike in August of 2002 (amidst the Moneyball narrative) and suddenly a new era was born. MLB-AM – the internet wing of baseball – poured every franchise flush with cash. Billy's Oakland Elephants, though, cling to the past. Lew Wolff regularly lies to his fanbase while pocketing the cash the franchise reaps, while Arte Moreno has built the best team in sports ... never once saying the dream was impossible due to the lack of green. Wolff’s partners are wealthier than Arte, the Bay area is drenched with silicon valley cash and the geniuses cry poverty to foment real estate deals in all of their shortsighted glory.
Don’t think about the budget, the salaries or the income. Like the rastaman sang, You can get it if you really want it ... and as Arte Moreno would add... but you must market, market... market your dreams.
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Everyone Loves a WINNER
Much easier to market a winning product Rev.
You can also say the classic line from a great baseball movie “If you build it they will come” That would go for fans and top players.
The best part for me in the book is that there was a lot of people that still believed that there was a need for baseball people (scouts) thank god for that. I understand looking at the numbers but this is still a game run by baseball people. I like the fact that Mike is given a lot of input into player acquisitions. The club has a scouting director that is very good at recognizing talent and not afraid to take chances on players.
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by Angel Aviator on Aug 11, 2008 12:10 AM PDT 0 recs
We're still reaping the Donny Rowland benefits
Will there be a drop-off from “Mister Insubordination” to “The Bane”... stay tuned!
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 12:46 AM PDT
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Lets not forget
Bane has not had a 1st round choice the last 2 years picking late in the draft both years 2008 #73 and 2007 #118.
In 2006 he had #25 Conger and then didn’t pick again until #102 (no 2nd round pick).
2005 saw the team pick a few times in the 2nd though. Of course his 1st draft in 2004 the Angels had no 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Donny had a few picks along the way.
Two 1st rounders in 2000 taking the great Joe Torres #10 and Chris Bootcheck #20 then a catcher out of San Diego area Jared Abruzzo #50. In the 3rd he took Tom Murphy #80.
In 2001 draft he took Casey Kotchman at #13 in the 1st round, Jeff Mathis with #33, 2nd round Dallas McPherson #57, 3rd round Jake Woods #89.
In 2002 1st rounder Joe Saunders #12, Kevin Jepsen 2nd round#:53.
2003 1st rounder was Wood at #23, 3rd round Sean Rodriguez #90.
So you see there was a few good picks made from good positions in the draft. Not having some of these picks for the last few years makes things tougher on the scouting department.
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by Angel Aviator on
Aug 11, 2008 1:49 AM PDT
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Interesting Read...
This is the impression that I get from the Oakland A’s moneyball style in terms of baseball (I’m not an expert by far so bear with me). They trade their “proven” players for top prospects. And they do this when their value is at its peak (i.e Swisher, Hudson, Haren, etc). They unleash the young guys into their starting lineups. Since new rookie pitchers need some time to get figured out by the other teams, they do alright in the beginning. But, eventually they either get figured out or they fade late in the season because of a lack of experience.
Recent examples: Gaudin last year, Eveland/Smith this year. check out how these guys started the season
I think they’ve gotten lucky (in the past) with their prospects. In my opinion, the As have hit the bottom quarter because recent prospects have not lived up to their potential combined with bad signings (ie Chavez) which has locked them up cause of their budget. I always thought that once they hit a string of busted prospects they’d spiral.
On the other hand I am so glad the Angels are a big market team with quality management running the show. Its great being an Angel fan these days. I have the confidence in the front office moves. Of course they’ve made some mistakes – Spier, Yan, Carrasco, GMJ, Finley, Hilenbrand come to mind. But, on paper and when the signings happened it seemed pretty legit to help the team. I thought the Finley signing was perfect when it happened. I don’t care if Tex (still a good trade if he walks imo) and Krod don’t get resigned. If the prospects taking their place don’t work out, I know the team will attempt to fix it.
Bottom line is we’re in first (& contenders for a long time to come). Although its easy to criticize Moreno, Reagins/Stoneman, Soth, we should be thrilled to be Halos fan this decade and not Mariner/As fans.
by stezo on Aug 11, 2008 12:47 AM PDT 0 recs
Good Points
Compare where we were as a franchise at the beginning of 2002 versus Oakland – they have fallen of a cliff completely based on a strategy of talking down their value while we have reached for the sky and are succeeding. I mean… at least good, knowledgeable Seattle fans HATE their ownership/management… Oaland has created a loyalty cult…
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 12:59 AM PDT
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ah i see what you’re trying to say. now that I think about it i met a few As fans in college and it does seem that they have been conditioned that way. it’s almost like they pride themselves on being able to get the “bang for the buck” when in fact it doesn’t directly really matter (to the fan that is)
by stezo on
Aug 11, 2008 2:31 AM PDT
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Indeed.
They pride themselves on their success with little money while ignoring that Beane was spending about $40 million more on the team last year for not much success. They laud high-risk signings like Thomas or Bradley, then complain about their horrible “luck” when those signings fail. They buy into Beane’s philosophy that closers are overrated while Street’s continual choking costs them game after game.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on
Aug 11, 2008 3:07 AM PDT
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Agree with you on the closer point. But, I actually think that the Thomas/Bradley and even Piazza signings were good for the As. It was their way of matching other teams’ signings of say Soriano, Vlad, Carlos Lee etc (they can’t afford them). They sign these guys and bat them 3rd or cleanup at half the price. While they have high risk, they also have a high reward, look how Thomas turned out for them. Where they failed is with their young guys… the ones that were to replace Tejada, Giambi, Dye, etc. Crosby was supposed to be an MVP? ... Harden was supposed to be an ace but injured all the time.. etc. .. Nowadays they got Hanrahan, Barton, Cust, Gonzalez… not really scared of them.
by stezo on
Aug 11, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
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But that's the point.
They can afford them, at least a few of them. They chose to give a big contract to 3B Chavez, and took on part of Kendall’s hefty contract. Thomas worked out in 2006, but what about this year? What about Bradley and Loaiza in 2007?
$40 million between their salary last year and this year. If they’d spent some of that in the offseason, would they have needed to trade off more talent this year just six back at the break? Like Rev said, the whole “we can’t afford this stuff” line is a lie they are told by the A’s organization.
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by Zu Long on
Aug 11, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
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We're beginning to see this in other sports too...
...in England, Arsenal FC have for several years now employed a policy of selecting very young, high ceiling talent from around the world and selling on their more experienced players when they’re at peak market value to save money. They can do these because their manager, Wenger, has an obscenely good eye for talent. But they are also forced to, because the costs of their new stadium require them to pay lower wages than their competition. I guess that this is what Beane is doing to a certain extent – mortgaging the present to preserve money for the new ballpark. In Arsenal’s case it also sends a poor message to other footballers, most of whom are from overseas, Arsenal are a ‘selling club’ – which creates little loyalty among the players who know now that Arsenal is just a step on their journey to greater things.
Where Arsenal have really come apart is not so much in sacrificing talent of the senior players, but in sacrificing their leadership, which is really all that has prevented Arsenal from being Champions – they do play the most beautiful brand of football (which is probably where the analogy breaks down), but have lost their way at the back end of the last two seasons when old heads were needed to guide tehm down the stretch.
It’ll be interesting to see if Oakland suffer in a similar way, through a lack of loyalty and leadership…
I see red people
by The Limey on
Aug 11, 2008 3:20 AM PDT
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"Beautiful brand of ...ball"
Comparing Baseball to international football/soccer.
Reputation-wise, the Yankees are the Brazil of MLB. The team everyone knows about, and either loves, or loves to hate.
Yet, on the field, the Angels are the Brazil of MLB. Brazil’s reputation is for playing the “beautiful game”, and that’s how the Angels play baseball.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
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Or to give it a club spin (rather than a national team one)
...let’s have the Yankees as Real Madrid – successful, granted, but so obsessed with their own image/legacy as to represent a complete turn-off to any normal fan who doesn’t live in Madrid.
I’d have the Angels as either Barcelona or perhaps Ajax – the architects of ‘total football’
Everyone loves Brazil (unless you’re from Argentina), difficult to say that about the Yankees.
I see red people
by The Limey on
Aug 11, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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FC Bayern Munich
I will take FC Bayern Munich and the way they have done things. When they had Beckenbauer as player/coach/president things were good.
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by Angel Aviator on
Aug 11, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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By putting out a better product
You make more money. The product (in theory) becomes better because you have more money to invest. However, their is a temptation to run a dept beyond the market. That is where baseball sense becomes involved. Ted Turner had it. Arte Moreno has it.
Baseball sense? Pitching and Defense and Winning and keeping the dept down. Dept is ok for the present, but too much can ruin the future. Without it, you can have all the Big Bats in the world and come away with nothing. Look at NY.
Marketing plus baseball sense. Me thinks Arte has it.
Having said that, I think Arte is a genius. Got the Big Bat for the Home Run push for only 12.5 million. Beat that.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Aug 11, 2008 2:07 AM PDT 0 recs
Marketing
Need I remind anybody – we would not have this great team if Arte had not expanded the Angels market by changing the name and negotiating better media deals as a result.
Genius.
by SurfCity on Aug 11, 2008 2:13 AM PDT 0 recs
yeah i forgot about that. so many people don’t understand the business aspect of the name change. idiot writers and/or dodgers fans highlight the top of the list. the angels will benefit long term from the name change. genius indeed
by stezo on
Aug 11, 2008 2:25 AM PDT
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I'm not convinced...
that the name change has had a significant impact on revenue. Although I no longer live in SoCal and don’t know what the local population thinks of the name, to me it seems like the name change just provides the punchline to a seriously over-killed joke.
I still have hard feelings about the name.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Aug 11, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
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I guess the revenue benefit is somewhat vague
but all we know is that it was part of Arte’s reasoning for the name change. Since he has sufficient business sense to now own the Angels I guess I defer to his knowledge, but it does make the half-a$s nature of the change really puzzling. He ‘wins’ the right to call his privately owned enterprise the name of his choice, then the organization proceeds to completely disavow the name with no LA reference from the club, the announcers, at the stadium, etc. If it’s used at all it’s only nationally where it’s generally butchered up or, as you say, turned into the tiredest of jokes. A good way to hammer the name home would be to wear it in a World Series, so they should start using a Los Angeles road uni now. Then, sell that jersey since a bunch of fans running around with the name is a good way to get the word out. This is more tangible name-change revenue. They should even continue to merchandise our forever beloved ‘02 Anaheim Angels. So, they could easily market both names yet they choose to market neither…very strange.
by LUVtheLAA on
Aug 11, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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I agree with you...
He obviously knows what he’s doing.
You bring up a good point, I too wonder why the organization doesn’t use LA in any of its branding. Yep, strange.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Aug 11, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
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ONLY ONE INSTANCE USING LOS ANGELES
The only instance of branding the Angels as LOS ANGELES is by FSN WEST. They have a promo for the fact that they carry the team with a montage of Los Angeles and the narrator says “LOS ANGELES… THE CITY OF ANGELS…” and the illustration rises to the clouds where Weaver and Vladdy stand.
The name change took place SPECIFICALLY to get a better television contract because Arte new that TV ADEVRTISERS would pay more money to advertise with a team labeled L.A. than they ever would to team labeled ANAHEIM … and he got a 10 year, $550 million contract after the name change – bigger than the Dodgers Fox Prime Ticket.
It is a fact the “We Are Not L.A.” local yocals never bring up – Big advertisers will not pay top dollar to be associated with your little suburb. You might have a major league team but you don’t have a major league name and they are not buying advertising for suburbia at top dollar.
Meanwhile Arte brands the Angels simply as THE ANGELS. The brand is as prominent and powerful as ever, bitchfest whiners be damned.
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 11:38 PM PDT
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Too true
and that sounds like a great promo, I haven’t come across it yet…
by LUVtheLAA on
Aug 13, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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meh, I probably wouldn't be a fan without the LA in the name
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by Carl Johnson on
Aug 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
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Seriously? Why is that?
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Aug 11, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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2nd'ded! Need to know!
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And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 12, 2008 12:31 AM PDT
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No, I'm serious
I came to college and needed a team, and I sure as hell wasn’t gonna pick the “Anaheim” Angels. I’m from LA, not Anaheim. I chose the LA Angels. They play the Red Sox and aren’t my childhood losers, the Dodgers.
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by Carl Johnson on
Aug 12, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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suspect CJ is being facetious… ;)
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August...?
by K3YEROUT on
Aug 12, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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Here is to a
2008 World Series:
Game seven going into the top of the ninth, game tied at 3, K-Rod comes in to hold it with Samardzija warming up in the Cubs pen.
Watching this team make everyone in ChiTown wait 101 years might make me giggle like a school girl.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Aug 11, 2008 5:55 AM PDT 0 recs
Seven games against the Cubs?
I got the Angels in Five.
by Andyman on
Aug 11, 2008 7:14 AM PDT
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AHHHH!
Stop it! Seriously!
Jinx…....
Ugh!
Just kidding, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves folks…
I lived through 1982, 86, 95, 2005, 2007, etc….
Bad things can still happen – like injuries.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Aug 11, 2008 7:42 AM PDT
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I'd like to remind everyone
That on this date in 2002, Seattle ahd a 2.5 game lead in the AL West.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 8:37 AM PDT
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In 2002
Oakland won the Div by 4…...........shit happens
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by Angel Aviator on
Aug 11, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
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The root of all evil
Even the Yankees run out of money at some point. But the excuse making A’s do need to stop making everything about money. I think some of the Angels biggest mistakes came from trying to save a few dollars. Identify the guy you want then sign him. Imagine if we had just spent a little too much on Beltran, instead of going to plan B with Finley and GMJ. So, I guess the lesson is figure out who we want to keep then just pay that dude whatever, but we can’t afford to keep everyone.
Re: HK47, I really like him in the 6 hole. His hot streaks always seem to come when he is lower in the order. The only reason to bat him #2 is to get him enough AB’s for the batting title.
by elricsi on Aug 11, 2008 8:35 AM PDT 0 recs
Then we probably wouldn't have
Torii. I think that the Torii signing was a realization that the GMJ signing was probably a mistake.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
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Interesting Read
I agree with many of your “points”. It is hard to be critical of a team doing so well, but people being people, they have to something to bitch about. I don’t think anyone is truly unhappy about anything Angels related. How can they be?
I think we differ in our opinion on Billy Beane and Oakland’s team. I feel there are two types of owners in baseball; the “fan” owner who wants to win at all cost, and the “business” owner who wants to make a profit at all costs. Thankfully we are blessed with an owner who embraces both theories and has built a successful team while pocketing some serious coin. Billy Beane doesn’t have the luxury of this type of owner and must do what he can to do earn profits for his owners and create the perception of assembling a competetive team for the fans. In this, I think, he’s doing a great job.
Also, being a “baseball geek”, I realize our differences in the types of fans we are, but that doesn’t make me less of a fan. At the core, we’re both Angels/baseball fans, we just take different paths. Doesn’t make either of us wrong, just different.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Aug 11, 2008 8:39 AM PDT 0 recs
Just to add on to your good points, WiHaloHan...
Unless a team has unlimited monetary resources, budget always has and always will matter and we as fans SHOULD look at every transaction’s budgetary consequences. Here’s why:
Let’s say Moreno is willing to spend up to $120 million (and no more) in a given year. As fans (and since it’s not our money) we would hope that he would spend the maximum he is willing to spend to put the best possible team on the field. However, when $10 million of that money is wrapped up in Gary Matthews Jr., that is $10 million that could have been spent on a good player.
So, while it’s easy to say, “Oh well, it’s not my money,” the fact that it “uses up” some of the budget precludes the team from using those resources for other (possibly better) players. Therefore, budget DOES matter to us fans due to the opportunity cost incurred whenever a contract is given to a player.
That said, I am incredibly grateful to have an owner who is both a fan and a business man and is willing to spend big bucks, rather than just being a business man. Wolff is free to do what he likes and I think, on the whole, Beane has done a decent enough job with a small budget, but I’m enjoying the lifestyle of a big-market team with great management.
by Dogman on
Aug 11, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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when the team changed their name:
I said (in no reference-able format) “As much as I hate the sound of the name, if the business end of this name change brings the revenue to turn this team from a playoff contender to a WS contender/favorite, then so be it, We’re LAA.” And although I can’t point to anything specific that depicts where the “LA” has paid dividends, I am ecstatic with the product on the field.
In Reference to the ESPN coverage
Despite their best efforts, the word is out. I have had the luck to travel a bit to other major baseball locales or have had friends do the same and the reverence for this team from other fan bases is universal. While in Philly, New York, Bay area, San Diego, Orlando, Kansas City, St Louis, Tempe (for spring training) and Cooperstown (everybody NEEDS TO GO THERE) the fans have been blown away with the quality of baseball we play at the Big A. Nothing but the utmost respect. That is something that I as an Angels fan welcome even though I/we don’t get to see that praise from the national media.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 11, 2008 10:35 AM PDT 0 recs
Utmost respect?
Wow. That has never ever been my experience. I envy you. I don’t think you’re making it up. But I just have never observed anything but contempt. I’m clearly talking to the wrong people.
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by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 11, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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Actually, contempt isn't the word I'm looking for.
Condescention and mockery, more like.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 11, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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perfect choice of words
I predicted something like that would happen, but when you consider that we make more than the Dodgers on our local television package, the name turned out to be a blessing, as Arte predcited it would.
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
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Not Sold
Then why not just go back to …..........
CALIFORNIA ANGELS
Love the old school logo as well.
Covers all of LA and OC and so on...........
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by Angel Aviator on
Aug 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Lost the type Rev
California Angels
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by Angel Aviator on
Aug 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Concur! (Note the avatar!)
And we better do it quick, before the A’s decide that calling themselves “The San Francisco A’s of Fremont By Way of Oakland” is not as big of a marketing conquest as “The California A’s”.
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
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not specific enough
It’s worth remembering that Gene Autry was awarded the Los Angeles franchise in the American League – meaning the Los Angeles market. The team has always played in the L.A. market, and the name simply reflects this fact (just like the NY Jets and NY Giants play in the NY market, even though neither team currently plays in the state of NY).
by jjackflash on
Aug 11, 2008 4:04 PM PDT
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It's also worth remembering that
this franchise has already been known as the California Angels for 35 years, roughly 73 percent of it’s existence. And that is still the banner under which they have the most playoff appearances. And that the only reason the name was dropped was because Disney wanted to promote Anaheim as a ‘specific enough’ travel destination.
Everything since has just been the haggling of papa bear, mama bear and baby bear.
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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False.
1 under Anaheim Angels, 3 under California Angels, 3 under Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.
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by Zu Long on
Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
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Not quite
Arte didn’t change the name until 2005. So that would be 2 under Anaheim, 3 under California, and 2 as LAA. So Stirrups is actually right (though it surprised me; the first mention I found of it was a Nov. 19, 2004 story in the Times, “Anaheim or L.A.: Which Is Baseball’s City of Angels?” by Mike Anton and Dave McKibben.
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by scareduck on
Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM PDT
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No yeah, you're right.
Wow. I forgot that Arte waited a year before changing the name. It seems longer than that.
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by Zu Long on
Aug 11, 2008 7:14 PM PDT
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Correction.
16 games as CA. 1979 was a 3-1 series loss.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 7:23 PM PDT
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Alternatively....
15 games as CA (* I think. 3-0, 3-2, 4-3 losses)
19 games as Anaheim (3-1, 4-1, 4-3 series wins in 2002, 3-0 loss in 2004)
13 as LAA (4-1 win, 4-1 loss in 2005, 3-0 loss in 2007).
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 7:20 PM PDT
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It surprises me when I am right, as well.
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
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oh i agree
i have a california angels logo tattoooed on my left shoulder where it was on the uniforms of the players I watched growing up.
where was all the bitching, pissing and moaning about the name change in 1995/6????
WE ARE NOT ANAHEIM !!!!!
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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Dude, when you live in OC, you learn not to bitch at The Mouse.
Mouse is one seriously wicked mean SOB.
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
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So I got the best of bothe worlds
The Angels are my team and I am not the mouse’s bitch.
WOOT!!!!!!
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 4:39 PM PDT
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We get our revenge.
Every night you drive home from the stadium, zooming north up the 5 and past the 91, only to come to a screeching halt at the perennial bottleneck as soon as you get back into LA County, brought to you by the LA DOT.
Mouse made sure that the 5 was built 15 lanes wide through Anaheim, with special ramps sucking their patrons out of everybody’s way.
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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I will take the bottleneck at 30 MPH to slow down the cracksmokers weaving their way toward the city of Angels….
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM PDT
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So that's YOU?
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by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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Now I know
who to blame for those long rides home from the stadium
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 11, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
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Now I know
who to blame for it taking so long for me to buy crack.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 11, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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California Angels would be my pick as well
although I didn’t hate Anaheim.
Other Suggestions I have heard:
Southern California Angels: To appease the the Orange County USC fanbase…
Orange County Angels: not bad in terms of what it represents I think, except for the obvious and unfortunate reference to “The OC”
by MidwayCityLivestock on
Aug 11, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
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Why/ "The OC" came after and they are the ones who suck.
(to plagiarize Office Space)
Francisco Rodriguez: 191 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.
by Stirrups on
Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
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Got a meeting with the Bob's do ya?
http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/
by norcaliangelsfan on
Aug 11, 2008 7:56 PM PDT
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OC?
I’m a proud resident of the 714 and I think that of all possible name variants, Orange County Angels would be the most detrimental to this team’s image / mojo. The name sounds like a minor league moniker.
Not that I’ve ever fallen in love with the current name. In fact, I have never typed or spoken aloud those words in that sequence, and I doubt I ever will. I don’t say this to bag on Arte, I won’t do that. I know what his motivations are and I wouldn’t trade him for anything.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 11, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
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We Are Not Anaheim??
Did they move the stadium since I’ve been gone?
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Aug 11, 2008 11:20 PM PDT
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Let me rephrase
...How about: We are so much BIGGER and BETTER than “just Anaheim”...
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 11, 2008 11:31 PM PDT
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Okay, yeah
But this is the impasse, by which no no one gains a moral or psychological difference:
I know, as a resident of the 714, that we have no national identity. So on that end, it makes perfect sense to a billionaire Arizona native like Arte, to brand his new team with LA, in order to make not just the country, but the world, understand where this outstanding team is (since, as we all know, in 2002 there was this resounding outcry of “Anaheim?! Where is that?”)
But…
Firstly, anyone who thinks they have an impression of Orange County from all those television shows needs to acknowledge, first of all, that those shows are shot in LA.
Secondly, the Weekly’s class-warrior garbage about OC being a “bubble” is a FUCKING MYTH. (that’s my first F-bomb, by the way, and I spent if for a reason.)
I’ll put up the 714 against any culture LA dares to throw my way. LA has it’s barrios. I live in Fullerton’s barrio. We have more in common than apart, frankly.
That’s why it is hurtful, to be honest, to be called JUST Anaheim.
On the one hand, I understand: Anaheim is nothing on a national scale. It makes us sound like minor leaguers.
On the other hand: I do not in any way feel beholden to Los Angeles. North County does not have any commercial value, but I don’t feel the need to hide from it.
So it’s an impasse, really. I love my team, and I want the world to understand why my boys are the best. But I am not in the least bit ashamed of where I live, and I will gladly go toe to toe with anyone who thinks they know shit about my lifestyle.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 12, 2008 12:51 AM PDT
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