Vlad Guerrero wants to stick around. EXTEND HIM.

by TheOptimist on Aug 13, 2008 1:20 AM PDT Comment 91 comments

I know this might be a bit late, but I felt I had to comment on this. With a hat tip to Rob at 6-4-2...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-shaikin10-2008aug10,0,3425244.story

So if this article can be believed, Vlad would like to stick around and end his career as an Angel. Now far be it from me to question Reagins and I know Arte says he wants to keep Vlad around, but...DEAR ****ING LORD SIGN HIM NOW. THIS IS NOT A HARD QUESTION.

Even at 75-80%, which is what he's been for most of the year, he's still put up around an .830 OPS, which we can certainly use. More than that, he's been tearing it up since the break and I give it even money he'll finish the year with 30 or more HR's, a .300+ avg, and a .900+ OPS. In a year where for half the season he was struggling with a leg issue and poor luck. If he wants to stay and he'll take a discount to do it, FOR GOD'S SAKE EXTEND HIM.

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There's no reason why the angels shouldnt extend Vlad now........

give him 75-80 over the next 4-5 years…..........back load the back end with incentives and such….....and keep the division titles and (hopefully) WS titles.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 13, 2008 3:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

coming........

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 13, 2008 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

75-80 over 4-5 yrs?!?!

wow, that is some crazy money for a guy who is old and getting older quick. He’ll soon be a FT DH.

I think adding 2 yrs onto his 2009 yr is acceptable. So 3 yrs after this current year. Total amount 3/45-50.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Aug 13, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats why i said backload the contract...........with incentives and such.....

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 13, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

Probably the first HOFer to go into the Hall wearing an Angels cap. I know that’s been mentioned before on here, but it makes sense to me to repeat it. It means something to me …

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Aug 13, 2008 3:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

I’m not sure why I feel so strongly about this, but I do. I would be proud to be able to say he was the first. I DO NOT want to see him in another uniform ever again. Ever.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 13, 2008 4:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nor do I

But then again, I feel that way about Garret Anderson as well. What are we going to do with Garret? He can still mash.

As per the previous point about Vlad going into the Hall in an Angels cap … I suppose Troy Percival could beat him to it. But I have a sinking feeling that Percy won’t make the Hall.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Aug 13, 2008 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Percy will either.

But it’d sure be cool. I love GA as well, but he gets no love. Frankie has a great chance if he remains a Halo. But let’s look WAAAAYYY into the future and envision Howie in the hall. Nice.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 13, 2008 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't wait

by tbone_cutter on Aug 13, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless we re-structure GA

I dont think we will pick up his option

by SocalAngelFaninOC on Aug 13, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's restructuring himself

He’s actually hitting as a DH, given in to the role. Give Juan left field and let GA DH at least in 09, maybe give him an option for 2010. And yes, sign Vlad now!

I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...

by Rally Manatee on Aug 13, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

restructure GAs deal for $7M in 2009

Try to sign Rivera—but i doubt it happens.

Kendry becomes the FT DH. If Kendry must play 1B for Tex leaving, then make a better effort at signing Rivera…or move Figgy to LF with Wood at 3B.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Aug 13, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dont have to pick it up

Forget the $14 million option. Give him the $3 million buyout then re-sign him for 1.5 or 2 million for next year. with perhaps a club option attached.

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 13, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way he takes a deal for $2 million

not only is he WORTH more than that, but he could easily make more on the open market.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if he's worth more in terms of production, but someone probably will pay him more.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he finishes the season at the same numbers as last year

or even if he was finished for the year right now, he’s done more than 2 freakin’ million dollars worth.

Look around the league at the average contract right now and I dare you to say otherwise.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dare taken.

A .763 OPS (because this year counts too) for a corner outfielder is well below league average. If he could somehow get that number up to the .828 number he had last year, then I’d guess he’d be about league average for a left fielder.

A $2 million contract I recall is around the league average salary. Also, keep in mind this salary would be on top of the $3 million buyout currently owed to him, so we’re really talking about $5 million for a below average player (or an average one in your extremely sunny scenario).

The reasons for resigning GA are sentimental, not production based. I wouldn’t mind seeing him back next year in a part time role to finish off his career, but I don’t think that’s what he wants or that the front office would dare offer. And looking at his production broken down month by month over the past 2 years (famine then feast, then more famine, then a little more feast) indicate to me that he can no longer handle being an every day player.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't factor in the bonus

it’s a previously committed-to-sunken cost. It’s been due to him, no matter what, since 2004.

Given Garret’s tendencies in production, what he has done in the last month and a half is exactly what should be expected of him for the next month and a half. He’ll likely finish around an .800 OPS overall. Currently he sports a 101 OPS+.

And a .763 OPS isn’t WELL below league average for a corner outfielder…you just generally want better than that. And it’s incredibly naive to judge how much Garret is worth solely on OPS. If that was the only factor ever weighed into a contract, every contract in baseball would be different.

When it comes down to it, a free agent 36 year old outfielder with 18-20 homers, 80 RBIs, and a .290 average is NOT a $2 million player in any market. That precedent has been established repeatedly. If you want to argue otherwise based strictly on OPS, then enjoy. However, it is rather disingenuous to say “Garret’s OPS is average, therefore his salary should be exactly league average.” Nevermind the dozens, if not hundreds, of major leaguers who drag that salary number down TREMENDOUSLY because they are not working on a free agent contract (the only type of contract that matters in such a debate, since the only basis for comparison is against his peers in free agency, not 22 year old farm hands making league minimum, or 25 year olds trapped in arbitration), but Garret has a proven track record that dictates far more respect than a contract 1/25th the size of Gary Matthews Jr. or 1/18th of Andruw Jones.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Andruw is a pretty good comparable

since, when he signed his contract, he was a heavily declining player with an otherwise good track record in fairly recent years. I’m not saying Garret should be getting $18 million a year here. I’m saying a $2 million offer for his production in 2008 is just a fucking laugh.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

$5-8M/per is more the range he would get.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Aug 13, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll shit my pants if GA ends the year with 18-20 hrs.

I don’t doubt that he’ll get more than $2 million. In fact, I’d bet that the Angels would pay him about $5-7 million and then plop him in the middle of the order next year. And we all know proven veterans produce better than rookies despite what the stats may indicate. Remember Erstad delaying Kotchman getting the 1B job even though it was clear it’s was time for Casey?

GA will struggle early in the season. Then he’ll heat up a little bit. And that will be followed by some more struggles as those nagging injuries he’s had for the last 4-5 years linger further.

You can ignore OPS if you want, but .763 is in fact well below average for a corner outfielder. Here’s a link to LFs ranked by OPS. I’m no math whiz, but ranked 16th out of 18 seems to me to be below the median.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=lf&startDate=null&endDate=null

I’d try to save some money for Teixeira, Rivera and Vlad when his contract is up.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You'll shit your pants

if Garret somehow manages to hit 5 home runs over the course of 48 games? Lord. Better get the washer and dryer ready.

And go back and read what I said. It’s not a matter of what I think in regards to OPS. That’s just not how contracts get signed. At the end of the day, he’ll be a free agent outfielder sitting on the market with more than 80RBIs and a .290 average. Simple fact to anyone who has watched a single baseball game in the last decade: THOSE GUYS MAKE MORE THAN $2 MILLION A YEAR.

$2 million is absolute shit-on money in today’s game. He’d likely get an 8 figure, multi-year deal (and not be wholly undeserving of it) from some other team. A one year, $2 million contract is what Darren Oliver gets, or what an early-arbitration player with little track record gets. And mark my words…he finishes the season about .763.

This isn’t a matter of me grossly over-valuing Garret Anderson, or salivating at the mention of his name, or saying we should give him a 5 year, 100 million contract…it’s a matter of you obviously having absolutely no clue how little a 1 year, $2 million contract really means…especially in the terms of a still-producing outfielder.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I haven't been clear. I've never disputed that he'll get more, I just don't think he's worth it.

I very much have a clue how little it is.

Last year, GMJ hit 17 HRs and had 72 RBI. So, I assume his contract is appropriately valued?

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um

Gary doesn’t make $2 million a year.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No shit.

My point is that he very nearly hits the production metrics you set for my “fucking laughable, clueless” opinion that GA’s production is worth an eight figure salary.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You also failed to mention

that Gary hit .252 last year, and I have repeatedly mentioned average as one of my metrics.

Not to mention, I said that Garret is worth, on the market, a MULTI-YEAR, eight-figure salary. Don’t distort my words…or at least read them more carefully. All that means is that he could get a 2 or 3 year, 10-15 million deal. Not 5 years and 50 million.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is that we shouldn't over pay GA at the expense of signing or resigning players who can produce throughout the entire season.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is there is a way to not overpay

while also not paying him a 2 million dollar slap-in-the-face.

You seem to have no sense of middle ground. If you really want to continue to argue that a player of Garret’s calibur (and outside the context of this argument, you and I would both likely agree that Garret will finish the season with 18-20 homers, probably close to 90 RBIs, and a .290 average, with an OPS at or just over .800) is only worth $2 million a year in production terms, I suggest you become the general manager of the A’s or something. That’s not what that type of production gets paid today. The only thing you seem to be able to hammer home right now is that GA has a 101 OPS+. You take nothing else into consideration, and slap a 1 year/2 million price tag on that. That’s why I question how much you actually follow this sport, because that’s just NOT what those players get, nor is it what they “deserve.”

You say Garret is ranked 16th of 19 in OPS amongst left fielders. Okay. He’s also 9th in RBIs, 8th in average, and 10th in HRs. Since this all essentially puts him at league average, and since league average producing veterans have been getting better than 1 year/2 million for 6 or more years now, it has long since been determined that Garret’s production, on the open market is WORTH more than $2 million. Period. Saying otherwise is just a lie.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is this baseball sport thing you speak of?

Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruin your day with my stupid opinion on a sport that I’ve never heard of.

I think you miss my point that we shouldn’t be letting a player like Teixeira go due to cost concerns while we overpay for league average production (and I get that we disagree on this league average thing).

I’m done with this.

by snowhor on Aug 13, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can back out if you want

but you seem to have an obscenely black-and-white view of this situation. 1 year/2 million is a slap in the face. That’s what I’ve been saying.

The only thing you don’t seem to be able to grasp, at all, is the idea that somehow, maybe, just possibly, the Angels are capable of giving Garret a FAIR contract while also keeping Teix. Because, as you may or may not know, there are contract values that exist somewhere between 1 year/2 million and SO LARGE THAT IT IS PROHIBITIVE TO THE RE-SIGNING OF KEY PLAYERS. You’ve repeatedly refused to even accept this. That is why I’ve found your suggestions absolutely ludicrous.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Comparable veterans to G.A.

David DeJesus. Aaron Rowand. Nick Swisher. Ichiro Suzuki (only categories Ichiro has him in are SBs and AVG, and the latter not by a whole lot).

Rowand and Ichiro are overpaid, obviously. G.A. is producing at all of their levels at an older age, showing persistence as he gets older. If any of them went to free agency right now, even at Garret’s age (and Ichiro isn’t that far), they’d spit in your face, rightfully, at a one year/2 million contract. If a person alive had the balls to offer it.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, GA has hit .280 or better since what 95 ?? Hes been productive his whole career.. He is owrth GMJ money,no question.. They set the bar high when u give a player like GMJ that kind of money.. Also,Vlad may take a discount,but you think hes gonna take less then what GMJ is getting ?? Vlad should get the 5 year /75 mill deal from the Angels, as for GA- he should get 12 million,if not someone else will pay it 2 him.

by raven191 on Aug 13, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the $2 million number was a bit low

I wasn’t really thinking. My main point was you can give him the buyout and resign for 1/2 at a decent rate for much less than his option.

For the record, I agree with you

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 14, 2008 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not acording to EaSsPee"iN

The Vlad will be going in as an Es’Po

by eyespy on Aug 13, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN doesn't decide. MLB does.

(yeah, the player no longer decides, either. I think that’s Gary Carter’s fault?)

If Vlad gets a ring here, odds are he goes in as a Halo. Otherwise, MLB may throw another bone to the Expos (since Vlad’s all-around game WAS more fearful back then.)

That is, if he goes in at all. (I always worry about the ever changing benchmark of thos who have an official vote on these things.)

Francisco Rodriguez: 192 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Aug 13, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no way MLB has vlad go in as an Expo

especially if he resign with the Angels. His MVP season was with the Angels and all his playoff appearances too.

Going in as an Expo would be an embarrassment to MLB. The team failed and was sent to DC. Having a great HOF like Vlad as an Expo just puts a spotlight on an otherwise embarrassing 5-7 years and the joke the way they handled that situation.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Aug 13, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he wants to be here

than extend the man immediately. If not sooner.

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 13, 2008 6:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

One less p;roblem to deal with in the off season. Sign Tex and extend Lackey as well. Frankie…well…not my money—sign him too

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Aug 13, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

While on the subject of extending players...

I agree that we should extend Vlad.

However, we also have to extend Juan Rivera ASAP. Dude has been solid in the clubhouse and has done everything he can to prove that he has the bat to play everyday.

by Ajax on Aug 13, 2008 8:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes. He'll be the bargain big bat on the market.

I don’t want to see him go mash for some other team.

I swear, if one more person tells me to "work smarter, not harder"...

by Rally Manatee on Aug 13, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

would help if GMJ mysteriously disappeared.

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 13, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

like traded

for some avg minor leaguers

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or like in a hole in the Las Vegas desert?

You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?

by PieceOfAase on Aug 13, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ill bring the rope :oP

Halo tailgate party... offense optional

by BigBangRobbDawgg on Aug 13, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where's the hole that Ozzie Smith fell into?

Somewhere in Springfield I assume.

by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 13, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Conflicted

I think vlad has to be extended just because hes our franchise guy. I dont think he’ll be worth the money he’ll get, but whatever. I didnt like what i saw from him the first half and you could argue that his recent surge has a lot to do with teixeira, torii and GA being red hot.

hopefully next year we get back to the .320 vlad

by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 13, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

When you see guys making loads of money and not deserving it,you have 2 give Vlad 15 mill a year. U gave Hunter more money then him,and you have guys like Vernon Wells making more then they should,so I think he has every right to make 15 mill.He has produced every year of his contract,and there is no reason to insult him by offering him less then 15,its the standard price for a producing player.If you don’t sign him,another team will and he will continue to silence the doubters. Hes only 32 ,lots of good years left.. Nobody mentions Derek Jeter making 19 mill this year,or Sheffild making 14 million,do those guys deserve that money on a new deal..

by raven191 on Aug 13, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

but in an interview

vlad said he would take less to stay with the halos

i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all

by halofan4life on Aug 13, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you have a lnk?

Not doubting you, It would just make Vlad that much more of a favorite if true.

by Ajax on Aug 13, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He may take less,but what is less ??? You think he wants to be paid less then a GMJ or a Rowand,and then you see a Rios a Wells , thos guys gettin high salaries.,its only right that Vlad would want what is MARKET value.. I agree he may take a cut,but its not gonna be much.. I say pick up his option for next year at 15 mill,then offer him a 5 year/75 mill extension,hes worth it compared to what others r paid…

by raven191 on Aug 13, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we have to choose between Teixeira and Vlad...

I’ll take Teixeira. You got prime vs. decline. But I hope Arte signs em both.

by Higz on Aug 13, 2008 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thing is, it's not a choice, because Tex has said repeatedly he wants to test FA.

Sure, we may sign him, but it’s gonna take a boatload of money to do it. Vlad has no interest in free agency. He’ll almost certainly take a discount to stay. My point is, sign Vlad now and worry about Tex when the time comes. We have the money to get both (if Teixeira will sign for a reasonable deal) and either way, letting Vlad go when he WANTS TO STAY HERE is the height of stupidity.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Aug 13, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can see where u are coming from,however I don’t buy into this decline theory ..Also,got to watch the game last night,and its on again tonight.We have a station called Rogers Sportsnet (owns the Jays) and they show most Seattle games on Pacific,which is awesome.I stay up late. Last night was awesome.. Rivera and Anderson are really playing well, thank god GMJ is on the bench where he belongs.. They gotta have the best OF in baseball,they are great 2 watch..The team is soo much better with Tex in the lineup.. As for Vlad playing somewhere else,I would imagine he will prove any doubters wrong wherever he goes,as he has done year after year…

by raven191 on Aug 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If Vlad agrees to DH more I believe his decline will slow down to the point that he has 5 consistently great seasons in him at least.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 13, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think so too

His “decline” is overexaggerated a lot on this site as well. Vlad only recently admitted that he hadn’t been able to get his weight over his back leg for most of the season do to strains.

Now, he says the problem has gone away, he’s swinging like he used to, and voila! Look, we’re seeing 2 knocks a game from Vlad most games, and he’s running the bases so much better: Hence, when he scored from second base yesterday on the wild pitch.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Aug 17, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmm...

“I’m 33 now,” he said, though the Angels’ media guide lists him at 32. “I’m not even thinking about how many years I want to play.”

Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August...?

by K3YEROUT on Aug 13, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah baseball reference has him at 32 also

Maybe it’s another one of those Miguel Tejada “lied about his age things.”

P.S. Shame on Tom Farrey for the spineless tactics he took in that “Outing Miguel” thing. I’ve wanted to scold him somewhere but haven’t had the venue to do it and now it’s too late.

by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 13, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

After GA

Vlad and Lackey are the ones I would most like to see retire an Angel.

Then it would be our 2002 World Series Champion rookie sensation and still the best closer in the game – K-Rod.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Aug 14, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I've said it once, and I'll say it again...

MAKE HIM CUT HIS HAIR!
It’s the opposite of the Samson thing… that hair has hindered him this year, i swear it.

Hooters anyone?

by Chone's Chonies on Aug 14, 2008 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make him?

This Arte’s team, not Steinbrenner’s. If hitting near the .300 mark wih 22 home-runs is the result of the “hindering” due to the length of one’s dreads, the no razor nor scissor shall touch this head henceforth.

And for the record, my newly-discovered powers will only be used for that which is evil.

Amen

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 14, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

*then no razor

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 14, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the hair is not the X-factor

I think he needs to eat less goats this winter.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 15, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, make Ervin bend the bill of his cap

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 15, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aww

I like his flat bill. I mean, yeah, he kind of looks like a townie, but unlike every other poseur who wears a fashion-cap with a flat bill for whatever team, he actually likes baseball.

Take for example this kid Eric, who sits next to me at work. On any given day he may come in with a flat-billed cap for either the Reds, Astros, or Yankees. He hates baseball. He couldn’t tell you what a ground-rule double is to save his life. But his hippedy-hoppedy idols wear them like so, thus he imitates.

Bubblegum’s flat brim says “the difference between you and me is, I make this look good.”

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 15, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I don't bend the bill of my hat,

And I am a full blown “fashion hat” collector (seriously have 14 different Angels hats). And I LOVE baseball. Admittedley, I am the exception rather than the rule.

by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 15, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wearing a fashion cap for YOUR team is good

Very, very good.

Wearing a ballcap of any kind for an arbitrarily selected team with a dandy logo just because DJ Roofies does it too, that’s asinine.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two generalizations in the same sentence.

I have countless New Era caps from teams that I could give a shit about. Is that asinine, of is it only if I am attempting to emulate? You make the assumption that people who wear their hats a certain way are doing so to copy the artists in a genre you wont even legitimize by creating a stupid name for a DJ that doesn’t even exist.

Point is, I pay around $30 a pop for a cap, and therefore will wear it however I see fit. Forward, backward, to the side, stickers on or off, Angel logo or not, or perhaps I’ll even staple it to my face if I deem it fashionable.

How many girls in malls, etc. have you seen wearing a Ramones t-shirt? You think the majority of those girls could name THREE songs from that band?

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 15, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

THREE SONGS?

Every Ramones song is the SAME. Damn. Song!

by Rev Halofan on Aug 16, 2008 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy, tiger.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 16, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Yeah really. Who the hell was that drunken asshole ranting with my name?

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 17, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bend you bill, man.

Zip up your fly.
Tie your shoelaces.
Straighten out those buttons on your shirt.
All the little things.

Learn how to wear your clothes.

Francisco Rodriguez: 192 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Aug 15, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Church.

DiSarcina is my co-pilot

by HaloDutch on Aug 15, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well, I've got 4 out of 5...

That should get me by for now.

by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 15, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey yeah...

And maybe we could all pass a measure whereby all American citizens wear school-type uniforms.

It’s time to eliminate that pesky free-thought. It only pisses off our great leaders, and none of us would want that.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 15, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see having the freedom to think for yourself

is not being wasted on such things as flat-bill conformity, and is instead being used with laser-like focus to dissect the totally non-serious.

Francisco Rodriguez: 192 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stirrups, you are a hippie fascist

GET A HAIRCUT and throw away your Steely Dan albums. Doobie Brothers too.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 16, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lord, if I only still had hair to cut...

Meanwhile, musically, think ZZ Top. You can pry that vinyl out of my cold, dead hands.

Francisco Rodriguez: 192 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vinyl?

how are things there in 1971?

Chuck Finley is my homeboy

by HaloDutch on Aug 18, 2008 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not too bad.

The Halos are going to finish 25 1/2 games out, so there are plenty of home games with only us die-hard and core 5, 000 – 6,000 fans in attendance, and we can all sit on field level between the bases, and not one of us is on their cellphone. Halo Harry is wearing his straw hat and thumping is tambourine, and interrupting our chatter.

There are no whiny-assed freakouts out about any 1995 collapse (which is still in our future).

Messersmith is on the verge of winning 20 games, and in a couple of months we are going to dump the aging Fregosi for some bucket of bolts out of the New York Mets which will include Lee Stanton, and some kid named Nolan Ryan. I hear he throws pretty hard.

Someday, I swear, we are going to win a World Series.

Meanwhile, gas is only 35 cents a gallon…

Francisco Rodriguez: 193 career saves. 2 career Panthers, tied with Hector Carrasco.

by Stirrups on Aug 18, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

and everyone (not just the children) are allowed to run on the field when the Angels win!

by yeswecan on Aug 18, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Tres Hombres"

love that album

by yeswecan on Aug 18, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Old man screams "Get off of my lawn!"

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Aug 18, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed ...

Hitting 96 on the gun late in games make even the flat brim look good. Stick with both please, Voodoo.

Don't call me Desmond

by highlandhalo on Aug 17, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why? To appease the frivolous.

I have an idea. Call me crazy, but how about we concentrate on playing ability, and not the manner in which the bill of a cap sits on an All Star’s head?

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Aug 15, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's the face of the franchise

Without him you’ll have a lot of half-naked fans at the park next year not sure what to do without the number 27 on their back… it would be the sexiest but saddest ballpark ever.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 15, 2008 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs