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Blame of the Game: Frank Rodriguez

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Frankie

and I won’t hear any argument otherwise.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 10:47 PM PDT   0 recs

BOTG=Frankie

i’m not drinking the frankie haterade either but he’s supposed to be the best at what he does.

by SCHalo on Aug 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

he gets 2 botg in one for this

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.
Yogi Berra

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT   0 recs

off topic

anyone know how to embed a yoitube vid?

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.
Yogi Berra

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:51 PM PDT   0 recs

$15 mil/yr gets the BOTG

Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!

by gorams77 on Aug 13, 2008 10:54 PM PDT   0 recs

like your sig

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.
Yogi Berra

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

K-Rod.

He does his job, Speier doesn’t even get a chance to give up a meatball.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Aug 13, 2008 10:56 PM PDT   0 recs

still the strangest

of all the lose pictures…
i suppose thats a good representation of frankie though

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.
Yogi Berra

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Exhibit one in argument for:

CLOSERS ARE OVERRATED. GIVE TEX HIS CASH.

The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Aug 13, 2008 10:56 PM PDT   0 recs

agreed

seconded, thirded, fourthed, fithed, ..... you get the picture

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.
Yogi Berra

by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

7thed, 8thed, 9thed, 10thed, 11thed....

12thed, 13thed, 14thed, 15thed….

and guess what??? i’m not bugging out on my closer. i said he was bad from day one. and then regreted it. and then realized i was right from the beginning. and can’t wait till all you haters start hatin’.

"Life is a luminous halo, a semi-transparent envelope surrounding us from the beginning of consciousness to the end."

by NoDakHalo on Aug 13, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll Drink 2 Dat cardinalwraith

No brainer on the reason why they lost tonight.
Fing-Rod

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm already gonna retract some of that statement...

he isn’t bad, but he isn’t as good as many people think. he is what i like to call “replaceable.” let me make this clear: i do not hate krod, i’d just rather have teixeira. if it were possible to extend both, i’d be all for it.

"Life is a luminous halo, a semi-transparent envelope surrounding us from the beginning of consciousness to the end."

by NoDakHalo on Aug 14, 2008 1:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dear Teix

Don’t hit any more clutch home runs for the Angels.

We will just lose the game right after you do it anyway.

Thanks Anyway,
Scott K.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Dear Teix

Please disregard CKOD

Thanks A Lot,
Kevin F.

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Aug 13, 2008 11:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dear Teix

…what he said.

I think you’re awesome,
Matt T.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Aug 14, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You knew this was coming....

<VOICE type=“emo-kid”>
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!
</VOICE>

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

K-rod Gets it

He was throwing batting practice tonight

I wish GA wasn't so lazy, or he would take care of the GMJ Problem by himself

by WillGoAngels27 on Aug 13, 2008 10:58 PM PDT   0 recs

gotta go with KRod

dis-honorable mention to Justin

by ladybug on Aug 13, 2008 10:58 PM PDT   0 recs

F-Rod by a mile

Maybe getting too comfy with those one out saves.

Justin was just being Justin, circa ‘08

by kdoc on Aug 13, 2008 11:02 PM PDT   0 recs

What if

the link is the very last one on the chain, and the thing you’re holding on to is linked to the second-to-last link in the chain?

That’s sorta what Speier is. That last piece of chain, holding on to nothing, mattering not at all.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a chain.

And a chain by definition is a series of objects connected one after the other. Therefore the weak link is connected to the whole regardless of it’s position and will affect the whole when it fails.

by ReggieBullits on Aug 13, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know what you're saying. I was joking.

Visualize what I’m saying here, though. If you have 80 links in a chain, connected to the ceiling, and you’re supporting a grand piano with it, and the piano is connected the the 79th piece of the chain from the ceiling, with the 80th dangling in excess, perhaps resting on the piano, that last, 80th piece, serves no purpose. Like Speier…dangling in excess with no purpose.

It was a joke.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 13, 2008 11:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I get it.

But are we really discussing metaphorical chain hypotheticals? Too many icals makes my head hurt.

by ReggieBullits on Aug 13, 2008 11:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OUTSTANDING

Rev

ReggieBullits post should go down in the HH Hall of Fame.

It is so well said that it just killed the whole thread. I mean what is there to say in regards to the worst Angel game played this year

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Earned

works out to what Zu?

About $140,000 a save opportunity by the time the seasons over
That is good wages.

Also brings the boo birds out when you don’t get the job done that your paid a great deal of money to do.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cheaper than your boy Nathan. ;-P

And the boo birds seem to have been out since last year. Kind of buzzard-like, almost.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 1:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not over the same period

Come on be real Zu. Your better then that!

F-Rod’s going to be more $$$ over the same period.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 1:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

Nathan is signed through 2011 with a club option for 2012.
09:$11.25M, 10:$11.25M, 11:$11.25M, 12:$12.5M club option ($2M buyout)
So he is signed for another 4 years. Taking him through his 37yr.

With the numbers F-Rod is talking about (5yrs / $75mil) That would be like $16mil more over the same 4 years then toss another $15mil on top of that for F-Rods last year of his 5yr contract and we are talking $31mil. Nathan is not going to catch the number.

So that takes us back to …..
F-Rod’s going to be more $$$ over the same period.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speier

I tried to stay positive when he came in, but deep down….. I knew we were Doomed

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Aug 13, 2008 11:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Me too......I just sat back and waited for something good when I knew it would ruin my night by watching.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Aug 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speier

Come on, he’s a nice guy and all…but…he has been a gascan all season long.

If K-Rod got the save, he would get one nomination for Panther.

But since he blew a save, everyone is on his ass.

by BBFan1 on Aug 13, 2008 11:27 PM PDT   0 recs

Seriously

Speier needs to quit goofing around with his goddamn impersonations and start getting about his pitching. He effing blows this year and no amount of jokes is going to endear me to him.

by Higz on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's kind of how this whole panther/blame thing works.

Do something good, get nominated for panther. Do something bad, get nominated for blame.

by snowhor on Aug 14, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Howie the Wowie Kendrick

Just to spread the love a little.

And of course Tex for not hitting his third homerun when he had the chance. Slacker.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Aug 13, 2008 11:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Lucky Loux

Can we see him throw more? I know he has better stuff then Speier!

I think Speier and GMJ should share a locker and keep there shit in one pile.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:28 PM PDT   0 recs

I want to see Bulger.

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Aug 13, 2008 11:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to see Jessica alba

But hey, to each his own. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Aug 13, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jessica Alba FTW

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Aug 13, 2008 11:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would take my chances on a save

To see Ms. Alba come on for a save in the 9th wearing that outfit on the Sin City cover. Booonnnnngggggg. I give her Panther even if she blows it.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Aug 13, 2008 11:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Only a Panther

I would think you would be willing to give her almost anything it she “blows it”

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Salt Lake City

Southwest flies there all day

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

F*** Rod

--
Zot! Zot! Zot!

by mjhsieh on Aug 13, 2008 11:32 PM PDT   0 recs

How did Dondo blow a save?

In the box score it says Dondo and Shields blew the save, yet from what I can see Jose got the two batters he faced out, so how is he on the hook there?

by Matt UK on Aug 13, 2008 11:43 PM PDT   0 recs

Was on the mound when the tieing run scored.

That’s how it works.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 13, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah

So he allowed an inherited runner to score, gotcha. Hard to tell exactly what’s happened from the box score!

by Matt UK on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

NO NO NO HOWIE KENDRICK allowed the inherited runner to score with his dumb ass play.

Should have been an easy double play and the moron threw double clutched home then ended up throwing to first to get the 2nd out while Izturis pulled out his hair yelling for Kendrick to throw him the ball so that they can get out of the inning with a 3-2 lead. Even Santana got pissed off when he saw dumb ass BLOW the “EASIEST DOUBLE PLAY OF 2008”

Yes Im a little pissed at Howizle even though he is one of my favorit Angels.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Aug 14, 2008 12:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shazzzzzzzam

That is why a save is crap..

Had the run not scored (HK DUMB) then it is credited as a HOLD. He wouldn’t get a save! But when the run scored he gets a blown save (BS) That will make for great ttopic when F-Rod doesn’t sign and people say “Dondo had X amout of Blown Saves. Which at that time I will once again have to say its BS

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 13, 2008 11:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Man Crush

You got it bad!

I don’t say that at all. I have spoken many times with you about how I think the job of a closer is highly over priced. I value the strong back of a pen but not at that price that is being tossed around. I am quicker to say Dondo is a legit replacement. I use what I see for the evaluation. Not all about stats. Stats don’t play the game.

Dondo
throws strikes with plus movement on the FB, can control both sides of the plate,command of the CHG, has split for out pitch, hard to square up a pitch, great poise for such a young age, gets LHH out as well as RHH, has thrown well on the road and at home, ability to pitch on back to back days out of pen,

Summation

All the tools for a dominant closer at the big league level.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All I said was I bet you let people get away with quoting 5 blown saves against Franky.

If you really believed any of that stuff you said back there about how it’s not the relievers fault if the defense blows it, you’d be just as staunch about insisting this is true for K-Rod as you say you’ll be for Dondo.

I’m at least even-handed about it. I told you it all counts the same to the saber-stats, and tonight is no different. I might have a man-crush on Franky, but at least I can admit the bias and have a method of dealing with it, namely relying on a stat that doesn’t take that bias into account.

Can you say the same? Will you defend your “defense blew it” ideal as strongly for Franky as you will for Dondo or will you do what so many do and let your double standard rule?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 12:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I said...

I did not say one thing about how he blew a save the other night. I find myself using more stat talk here online then anywhere else I go. Seems like the only thing that people think they have a understanding of. Me I am not the stat guy / bean counter.

Remember there is reasons that the guy gets on. Was the runner on because he was walked? Did that walk happen prior to the fielding error? There are some reasons that the blame will fall on the relief pitcher even if there is an error. Follow me with that? I know there is and has been many times that F-Rod has bailed himself out or the team, but he often has created the problem(s) on his own. Tonight was an example, and when it came time to man up he pointed the finger at someone else. Never liked those sort of guys. Now had he got tossed prior to being yanked and giving up 3 I would give him credit for standing up for his belief.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So when he argues only after it can't possibly damage the team

he’s being a huge baby. If he were to argue only when getting thrown out could hurt the team, then he’s “standing up for his belief.” Well, that’s one way of looking at it. I guess I just prefer the guy who, if he absolutely must argue, still puts the team before his own gratification.

As far as stats/stat guys go, I don’t really care. The question is whether you apply the same standard to everyone. K-Rod had a blown save earlier this year where the game is OVER if the player makes his play. If you claim Dondo isn’t responsible for his blown save, simple fairness says you apply the same standard to everyone. If not, it’s bias.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Above, rather.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tools Play not the damn stats.

Just thought I would give you another look at it.

Not sold on F-Rod since 2006. Liked what I saw in the Minors and his first few years in the league, but I think the league is catching up to him more and more each year. Thats my evaluation.

Not saying he can’t still be successful for another few years just not sold on him being what amounts to $14.5 million better per yr. then Dondo. We are talking about what $65-70 million more for F-Rod during the same time period.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 12:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So we bet it all on Dondo and hope he doesn't turn into a Betancourt.

Gutsy, but I don’t really have a problem with it. I have a problem with people hating on K-Rod, now, despite the fact that he’s been the best in the game the last four years, which is true whether you’ve been sold on him or not.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is the thing

When Gagne was tearing it up and saving everything in sight I was always saying the Dodgers needed to trade him and get product back. People (friends outside the game) thought I was crazy then. You can say what you want about his steroid use and all, but I was the lone wolf crying for the club to trade him for legit prospects and a couple current everyday players. They needed them!!

Late last year I spoke about how the club could probably trade Frankie away to the Dusty Baker Reds. Thinking was the club needed a CL and Dusty still has nightmares about F-Rod and the 2002 WS. My trade was for Josh Hamilton who would solve a lot of OF problems and help the team out as GA rides off into the sunset. I posted that on Oct 14th 2007. I also spoke about acquiring a prospect down on the farm that is a closer Enerio Del Rosario and maybe include someone else of excess for E. Encarnacion.

Me I would take Joe Nathan before F-Rod. Thats me though I could live with him and his contract (4 years/$47M 09 option $12.5) and feel good. The 5 year 75 mil that F-Rod wants is not easy to swallow.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 1:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember that topic.

Your proposed trade was a pipe-dream, IIRC. K-Rod, McPherson, Aybar for Dunn, Encarnacion, Hamilton, or something like that, correct?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 1:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No No

Never spoke of them. Just using F-Rod. Maybe an excess OF but never mentioned McMuffin. Why was it a pipe dream He was traded. Doesn’t F-Rod have value?

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 1:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I spoke of this trade

in early Oct and he was traded to Texas in late Dec.

Zu I am not some yahoo fan.

I did toss around a few names of interest, but brought Hamilton’s name into it a few times and on other occasions through the off season.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I'm fairly certain of this...

Found it.

With Dusty Baker now the Reds manager and still remembering how Frankie made his Giants look silly maybe we can have him push for a trade. Reds have a few attractive options. Maybe the Reds pick up Dunn’s option and trade him along with say Edwin Encarnacion. Angels need a 3B and he is showing promise at the MLB level. Encarnacion is still young and not able to file FA until 2010. Maybe we take Josh Hamilton if he is clean he is a huge talent. Who is also another lefty pop guy that could fill a void. For a guy that did not play for 4 years+ he had good numbers and with a guy like Scioscia he would be fine.

So Rodriquez, Wood/McPherson, Aybar for Dunn, Encarnacion, and Hamilton.. Angels don’t need a bunch of Aybar, Izturis, Figgins, and Willits. Not saying I don’t like them, but the club does not need 4 of them.

So yeah. I’m gonna have to stick with pipe dream.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Aug 14, 2008 2:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ummm...

that would’ve made a KILLER trade

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Aug 14, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs