9 Year Old Banned from team for being "too good" + Baseball memories thread
Jericho Scott, a nine year old boy from new haven, CT has been banned from his youth baseball league for "being too good" at pitching. Does anyone else think this is ridiculous? Who is a league to ban a kid from playing the game he loves? Have any of you ever heard of anything like this happening before? As the reaction of one ESPN viewer said "So I guess teams that face C.C. Sabbathia and Dan Haren should forfeit their games too." What is your opinion on this?
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I intensely hate this decision. These people running this league are actually afraid of greatness – they are trying to shield their children and themselves from greatness.
People, have the balls to acknowledge, confront and experience greatness. Fuggin’ cowardly sniveling sheets, all of them…
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 26, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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Fake shielding of children has gone on for a while
When I was twelve, the parents of opposing teams tried to get me thrown out of the league completely. First they said it was unfair, later they tried the argument that it was unsafe for someone my size to be competing with other kids my age. I was 5’9" at the age of twelve and threw a 75 mph fastball. Luckily for me, after several hearings, the league decided to let me play but I was warned not to get anybody hurt.
The funniest thing about this, in the next town over (Fullerton) they had a player who was bigger (and threw much harder) than me, I never heard about him having to deal with this.
by Rhapsode on
Aug 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
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Whcih city?
La Mirada, Brea, La Habra or SoFu (South Fullerton)
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 26, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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What about the kid who got banned a few months back because his mother was too busy with her full time job to do a shift at the concession stand.
If I ever have kids, it’d be kinda cool if they participated in baseball/softball, but i’m already dreading having to interact with those crazed parents/coaches/directors.
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on
Aug 26, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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how do u tell a kid that
“jimmy, we’re not gonna be able to let you play with these kids anymore.”
“why?”
“well son, no one can hit your fastball and it’s really unfair.”
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and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 26, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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this was beyond stupid
“Oh we can’t let our kids feel bad, so let’s just take all the good players away!”
they claim it’s because it’s a “developmental league”. Hey idiots… how are you ever going to develop if you never face anybody better than you????
this is such a shame
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by howiestheman on
Aug 26, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
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and i remember when i played little league
we all wanted to play our summer ball in the youth leagues because those were the advanced leagues.
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 26, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
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I agree with all your points
it encourages mediocrity
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
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I believe people are focusing on the wrong thing here
The problem is not that the kid is too good, it is that he turned down a chance to play for the defending league champs and now his current team is undefeated.
Basically they created a bullshit smoke screen to hide the fact that something needed to be done to stop this kid from leading his team to the Championship.
I’m a pretty competetive person, but these parents are Pierzinski’ing their way to a whole new level!
by Wytelitning on
Aug 26, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
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Screw that league.
Just sign him now, long term contract.
Ice creams and video games for 15-20 years.
by matthiasstephan on
Aug 26, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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That's absolutely woeful
…the people who made this decision should be truly ashamed
I see red people
by The Limey on
Aug 26, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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A nine year old banned for being too good?
Since when did Jose Guillen get demoted to the little league level?
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on
Aug 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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Ahh, this brings back fond memories of my days as a parent and coach in youth sports leagues...
This has “cluster frack” written all over it.
The attorney for the league states that “Liga Juvenil De Baseball De New Haven” is a development league. If that were true, then accomplished players do need to play elsewhere. BUT, if that were ACTUALLY true, then the emphasis would be on development and there would be no such thing as a league “champion”. Certainly nto any “championship” worth tearing the league apart.
But there IS a champion and, apparently, that champion has a lot to gain by eliminating the entire team that this boy plays for. That’s right, the main promotors of this idea to ban the kid are actually trying to break up the entire team and move the kids to the remaining teams, except for our one 9 year-old. And just in time to restore the past “champion”. Sweet. The defending champs, therefore, want to crater an entire team of kids who comprise their primary competition (in a “development” league, remember) and then hide behind one particular 9 year-old as their excuse. That is an interesting “development”, for sure.
So this IS a competitive league and there ARE real winners and losers and, as is pretty much always the case in such youth leagues, the parents step in and establish themselves in their rightful place as reigning champion losers, still undefeated. Nothing like living vicariously through little Johnny to prove your manhood and fill up your shelves with youth trophies. And there is nothing as predictable as the parent who’s child is confronted and defeated by a better kid, reminding mom or dad of their own frustrated shortcomings in their own childhood sports experience.
Honestly, as much fun as I had growing up and playing organized sports, after all these years I still recall the best times I had were playing pick-up games of whiffle ball or over-the-line where the only people present were other kids. I think that it is awesome that these adults are getting shamed on a national level.
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 26, 2008 2:36 PM PDT
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Does anybody remember when youth baseball was just supposed to be about having fun?
When I was a kid, if I got beat my coach and Dad told me that it was part of the game and part of life. Seems like we need to bring that kind of thing back.
Chuck Finley is my homeboy
by HaloDutch on
Aug 26, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
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amen to that
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on
Aug 26, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
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I doubt that ORGANIZED youth ANYTHING was ever about having fun.
Adults do the organizing. Adults define the rules. Adults define what is “fun”. If you want kids to have fun, just throw a pile of equipment out into the middle of the diamond and walk away. And keep walking.
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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Go to your local library
And find a book titled “A Promise Kept: The Story of the Founding of Little League Baseball”. Give that a read and report back if your opinion has changed.
Carl Stotz, the founder and creator of Little League Baseball, defected from LL as he witnessed it slowly grow into a corporate machine concerned with the bottom line. He had absolutely nothing to do with what it has evolved into today. He truly just wanted to give his nephews and their friends an organized way of emulating their big league heroes.
I knew Mr. Stotz as a boy. He taught me how to throw a curve ball. I can tell you that his only concern in starting LL was that the boys had fun.
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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Ok, a little over the top.
change from:
“I doubt that ORGANIZED youth ANYTHING was ever about having fun.”
to
"I doubt that ORGANIZED youth ANYTHING ever remains about having fun. "
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 26, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
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That's better.
He was deeply troubled in his last years having witnessed his creation evolve into what it is today. Not the competition or the LLWS or the spreading of LL around the world, but the corporate part of it. He hated it. He fought ferociously with corporate Little League.
Of course it wouldn’t be what it is today if it hadn’t gone that route but it still gave him fits. Up until about 10 years ago corporate Little League wouldn’t even acknowledge him as the founder. They finally put a little bronze bust behind center field at Lamade Stadium to appease his surviving family. Too little, too late.
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 26, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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i agree with every thing u are saying reggie
but at the same time, some of the corporate money has turned Lamada Stadium into a truly magnificent and beautiful ballpark. i went to see a couple of those games this year and waas blown away with how amazing that field looks.
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
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and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
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by halofan4life on
Aug 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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*lamade
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and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
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with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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That's awesome
Every baseball fan should make the trip at least once. I spent many summers sliding down the hill behind Lamade on my ass or if I was lucky a piece of cardboard. It’s still free to sit out there right? Man, I miss that place!
And I did say that “…it (LL) wouldn’t be where it is today if they hadn’t gone that route (corporate)…”.
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 26, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
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yeah its still free to sit out there
and we took my daughter and nephew, my daughter is only but my nephew is 4 and we let him go sliding down the hill, it was an absolute blast. the food is still at a decent price too.
i dont recall you saying that LL wouldnt be where it is today, i am agreeing with everything you said, it is a shame that corporate sponsors and ESPN have turned it into a cash cow. however, without that corporate money the field does not even come close to what it looks like today. the upside to evil i guess you could say
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
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Plus they may not have been able to install lights or build Volunteer Stadium.
Both of which allowed more regions around the world to send a team to Williamsport (or South Williamsport, technically) increasing the field from 8 teams to 16 teams in 2001. When I was growing up it was just the US East, South, Central, and West and International consisted of Canada, Europe, Far East (they dominated when I was a kid, to the point where my Dad refused to take me the year that Trumbull, CT pulled the upset. He was like that…) and Latin America. It’s insane how much it’s grown since then. So yeah, I get that it has probably been a good thing in terms of opening it up to more kids.
I was just reading some numbers from this year’s Championship Game. The attendance was 28,500. That’s more than the A’s get at most homestands!
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 27, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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they guestimated 37,000 for the championship game
early that day
thats 9.5 times the amount of people in my central PA town.
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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Geez man
Where do you live? Perry? Turtleville? Leck Kill??
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 27, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
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shamokin
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
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with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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Great so he was teaching young kids how to ruin their arm.
teaching young kids how to throw a curve ball? You would have been better off learning the change.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Aug 26, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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not to summarize the sentiments of hh
but this is rediculous! when i was i kid, playing for the doyahs (not my first choice) in brea, i got struck out by some kid throwing HEAT! what did i or my parents do?…. they took me to the batting cages and i worked on my swing until i could catch up to the heat. the practice of bettering myself when defeated has made me a better person today, i can only imagine the whiney little sap of a person i’d be if this fundamental wasn’t instilled upon me from day one.
in this day and age we are sheltering our kids, in the name of protecting their development. well that is not what this country was founded on. if we got beat we picked ourselves up by the bootstraps and made ourselves better!
stirrups your right, my fondest memories were all the pick up games i played as a youth, playing street baseball with my moms car as third base and the manhole cover as 2nd and the neighbors pick up as 1st and home was another manhole cover…. oh man im getting amped all over again
sorry for the diatribe but banning a kid due to their advanced ability is effing ludicrous! what next, kicking a kid out of 3rd grade because they read at a 5th grade level?
There is an "Angel in the outfield" and his name is GA! ps. he is lazy but not a bum GO HALOS!
by wallispdub1 on
Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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WRONG!
Home plate was the manhole cover.
First base was the curb across the street where the street numbers are painted.
Second base was that patch of tar in the middle of the street over there.
And third base was mom’s hybiscus bush.
No wonder you ended up a web blogger. You couldn’t even find first base!
(Just kidding, and remembering all over again, too!)
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT
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lol
i definitely ran into alot of my moms car trying to avoid the tag!
oh man those were they days!!!!
There is an "Angel in the outfield" and his name is GA! ps. he is lazy but not a bum GO HALOS!
by wallispdub1 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
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anybody remember that one kid who u threw in the outfield
because nobody wanted him and then watchin him chase a ball ALL the way down the street because the hitter decided to go babe ruth on the tennis ball???
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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hahahaha
i was usually the one going babe ruth on the tennis ball, JUST so i could watch that kid chase it!
Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by howiestheman on
Aug 27, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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hahahahahahahahahahaha
classic
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
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with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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Well said my friend.........
I am on the field each and every day working in the game of baseball that has given me many things in my life including the house I live in and the car I drive.
I see so many parents and coaches that have not a clue as to what it is all about for their little “johnny”. The game of baseball is full of ups and downs but we learn from these things and become better.
In this “juice box society” were everything is given to a kid it is hard to find anyone that will compete. I remember riding my bike/skateboard down the hill (sign said it wasn’t allowed) and injuring myself to the point that when I came in the house bleeding like a stuck pig my mother didn’t scream with terror because I was bleeding, but because it was getting on the carpet. Point is in todays world the parents would go to city council and fight to have the hill removed.
Over protective parents that are afraid to see there son/daughter fail is the true reason for the way things are in youth sports today. I could go on and on with the things I have done and seen in this game but the truth of the matter is the best place to coach is the orphanage………no parents!
Sports do not build character. It just reveals it.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Aug 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT
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All of you fools are forgetting something
every child in the world is a precious, fucking little snowflake. They are unique, special little shits who need to be shielded from anything and everything in the world that can be considered bad, and if any one small thing doesn’t go their way ever, it is the parent’s responsibility to pass the responsibility for their child’s failures onto something else, be it video games, a television show, a prescription drug, ronald mcdonald’s seduction away from home cooked meals, or the kid with the 40MPH fastball.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
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please
language
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT
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Lo siento
I just can’t get over how insanely precious each child is.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:29 PM PDT
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thanx for the apology :)
and yes, i know enough spanish to know what that means:)
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT
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Promise me you will remember that when you have one of your own.
If you fail, I will banish your ass to the family section out in left field. Forever.
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 26, 2008 5:34 PM PDT
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My child will be precious
but won’t be shielded from a think in the world. In fact, I think I’m going to splice some 9/11 footage into his family video’s slide show for his 3rd birthday to get him a dose of harsh reality.
He will also watch pulp fiction with me at age 6.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
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i really hope
thats sarcasm
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:42 PM PDT
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It's the only thing I do well around here.
Aside from defend G.A., and talk about how much as I miss Casey.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:43 PM PDT
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alright
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:44 PM PDT
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that one was just a little too far with the 9/11 part for me
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
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I'm originally from that area
and used to visit the place a million times. I’ve been inside the ‘footprint’ since.
It wasn’t meant as a “9/11” joke, so much as an obsessively-strict parent joke. I apologize for construing otherwise. But I’m running low on apologies for the day. :)
But I also come from the line of thinking (and believe me, I have to “bite my tongue” around here plenty because of it) that very few topics are off limits as far as humor goes. The greatest fault of humanity is that we take way too many things seriously. Anyone here like Louis C.K. for just that reason?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:55 PM PDT
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ok well thnx anyway for apolagizing
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by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:58 PM PDT
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my kid was born on 9/11 last year
hows that for harsh reality
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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My half-sister was born on September 10th
the year after it happened. I think, from what I recall, labor was induced a couple hours early to ensure that it happened that way, since she was already over-due by about 4 days anyway.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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my son was born c-section on that day
because it coincided with my work schedule (maximized days off after birth so i could help, and so my wife could sleep).
we got a lot of crap from people about that, them saying that we were “burdening our son with that awful day.” i agree it was a horrible day and one of those days that you look back in life and know exactly what you were doing when you heard about it. but the only way that the kid is gonna feel “burdened” by it is if people around him make it that way.
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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Eventually it'll lose some meaning anyway
No one born on December 7th gets hassled anymore, I’m sure…and that’s the day that’s supposed to “live in infamy.” By the time your kid is 20 or so, it’ll be little more than a birthday that people just say “oh, yeah…” to when it’s mentioned, and that the newscasters make a comment about on the 6:00 news. But yeah, the only burden it really offers is the one that other people make of it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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what you said about dec. 7th is whjat makes me mad at some of these people on 9/11
it got me so riled up last year that my wife went out and bought me a shirt that was in memory of dec 7th 1941
i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all
by halofan4life on
Aug 27, 2008 3:12 PM PDT
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I was born on 12/7/1956
I speak with authority on this one. You are correct.
When I was very young, and woke up on my birthday, the newspapers and the televisions were full of film of the Arizona burning. Year after year. Flags at half staff. Memorial ceremonies. Everybody somber. No birthday parties.
Nowadays, few people even remember that December 7th is Pearl Harbor Day. Everybody wants to know where the party is going to be.
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 27, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
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I was born about 5 months after you.
My parent would never have let me forget that day. No way. I have made sure my children remember what happened on 12/7/41, but I think I am part of a distinct minority.
During this Memorial Day’s Dodger broadcast, Vin Scully went half-postal on the lack of acknowledgement that it was….MEMORIAL DAY!
by sothball on
Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
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I give shit to my little brother all the time
Because he was born on April 14th. Titanic sank on his b-day, Abe Lincoln was shot that day, and Lincoln ordered troops ready for war in the Civil War that day. Tax day is the day after.
But really, all that tragedy in one day, and it’s all an inside joke to them because no one cares about that date anymore.
Hell, I think Greg Maddux was born that day, too.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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Titanic actually sank on the 15th.
It hit the Iceberg late the night of the 14th. The 15th is also the day Lincoln died, tax day, and yes, the day of my birth.
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 27, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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I'm a titanic nerd
or was from when I was 5 years old, until 16 or 17…i still remember it all. 11:40PM, April 14th – 2:20AM, April 15th.
But the fatal blow was the 14th, and that’s all that matters. Same with the shot on Lincoln. We actually always tease about it because the event inevitably begins on his birthday, even if it doesn’t come to its grand conclusion later. So, basically, his birthday is “just the beginning” of disaster.
One of my grandfathers also died on the 15th. Miserable 2 days, I guess.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 6:04 PM PDT
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True fact.
If those on the bridge of the Titanic had made the decision to steer directly at that iceberg and crash into it head on, the ship would not have sunk. Almost all those lives would have been saved.
Of course, nobody would have been ballsy enough to actually do that, which would have condemned about 100 crewmen bunked up in the nose to death, and injured 1000’s of passengers, all on a ship that was promoted as unsinkable.
Francisco Rodriguez: 196 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 27, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
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As opposed to a false fact? :-D
Doing so also would have likely led one J. Bruce Ismay (Chairman of White Star Line, and a coward who took a spot in the first boat he could get on) to fire about half the damn crew for sailing Titanic into New York Harbor on its maiden voyage with a dent the size of a tugboat in its nose.
There was about a two foot buffer at the front of the ship before the crew quarters…some people would be killed, but likely not hundreds: See the impact of bow collision in the S.S. Stockholm with Andrea Doria, 1956.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
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Just imagine, Titanic sailing in looking sorta like this
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
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better than it not sailing in at all.
the titanic has some crazy coincidences in my family. I was born on april 10th, the day it set sail. I had a great aunt or something who died on the titanic, and i was deathly scared of water until i was about 14. I mean i would not go on a boat or ship or anything, and i live in socal.
Exceeding expectations is less a matter of luck than possession of certain assets.
by anaheim angels on
Aug 28, 2008 12:35 AM PDT
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Of course better
That’s why hindsight is 20/20.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 28, 2008 4:03 AM PDT
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Said it before
The shielding/protective parents are way out of bounds.
I ran around barefooted and rode my bike without a helmet or shoes (rebel) when thirsty we drank out of the hose then jumped in the back of a pickup truck to go hit at the batting cage again no helmet. When I got hit I was told to suck it up and get over it. If I didn’t like it then I could go play checkers. If I wanted money for the movies or baseball cards I had to mow the lawn (no gardener ) to make a buck.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Aug 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT
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I was born in '86
and aside from the pick-up truck part, I can relate to almost all of that. I also wore a helmet in the batting cage…but more because I was paranoid, not because my parents cared.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 5:38 PM PDT
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Same here..........
No helmet
Had to help around the house for 1 or 5 dollars. If I wanted to go to the movies I had to help around the house all week like taking out the trash, mowin the lawn, raking the leafs ect.
Got paid for good grades…..sucked all the way till 5th grade were I got low grades, but from 6th and on I got all A’s and some B’s.
I broke my arm once and didnt go to the hospital cuz I didnt want to tell my parents cuz my dad was laid off from construction and we didnt have insurance. Finally told him like 6HRs later and we went to his frinds house (Doctor good family friend) and he put my arm back in place then put a cast thing on it and gave me pills(didnt work at all for the pain/sleep). Next day went into the hospital where he worked and he took Xrays and said he had fixed it and put on a full cast.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
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you hit 6 homeruns with a broken arm?
or is that 6 hours :)
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by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 9:38 PM PDT
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Paying kids for good grades is also an example of coddling.
You are SUPPOSED to get good grades.
You get an A, you get an “atta boy”
You get an F, you get grounded and sent to summer school.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
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You're SUPPOSED to do your job too.
But you get paid for that.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on
Aug 27, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
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Bleh
And how many kids do you know who have to pay the rent?
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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How many kids do you know who own a house?
Being rewarded materially for good work is a feature of the world these kids grow up in. You study hard, put effort into your papers and projects, congrats kid, you earned some leisure money. It shouldn’t be excessive, but I don’t really see the harm in it.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on
Aug 27, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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Kids already get everything for free
why do we need to pay them for good grades? Adults have to buy the things they need, therefore they need to earn money.
Rather than rewarding my kids materially, I would rather teach them that life is full of situations where you don’t get paid for doing the things you need to do and that you should be diligent regardless. Nobody pays me for mowing my lawn or doing the dishes, but it’s something that needs to get done.
The reward is in the results themselves. If you pay a kid for getting good grades, they only want to get good grades for the money and not for the ultimately more fulfilling satisfaction of just having the good grades.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
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if u pay them for getting good grades
kids will know that getting good grades are a good thing, not just for money, but that it also makes mom and dad happy, and when mom and dad are happy, your usually happy. you dont have to pay them a huge wad of cash, just a little incentive here and there just to let them know how much you like them doing that and what a great job you think their doing.
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 27, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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If you leave money out of the equation...
then you teach kids that getting good grades is a good thing because that’s how you get into a good college, get a good job, get out of the house, get a hot wife, etc.
At that point, they’ll have plenty of time to greedy, materialistic bastards.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
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but whats so wrong with instilling that
just a little earlier? theyll still know this for the other reasons, and that will just be more motivation for them
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 27, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
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When I was growing up,
I was the one mowing the lawn and doing the dishes.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on
Aug 27, 2008 11:02 PM PDT
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Isn't kinda like bonuses that the players get?
Don’t most have incentive bonues for things like AS games, Gold Gloves, etc.? Isn’t that what they’re getting paid for in the first place? Shouldn’t they be trying to get those awards without having to be paid extra to get them?
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Aug 27, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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So no scholarships for students who do well, either I guess?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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Of course there should be scholarships..
but it’s not the same thing dude.
If you say to a kid, “For each A you get, I’ll pay you 10 bucks.” That’s a guaranteed reward.
Scholarships are not a guaranteed reward. I might get straight As in high school and still never receive a scholarship. A scholarship is a bonus not to be counted on.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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They may not be guaranteed (though if you have the grades and apply for them, you're almost certain to get SOMEONE to give you one)
But in the end, it’s still the same thing. Someone out there is willing to give you money for doing exactly what it is that you’re insisting they should do: get good grades.
When you’re 10 years old and need leisure money, what the hell are you supposed to do to get it? You’re not legally allowed to work, and you’re saying doing a ton of work around the house, or excelling in school to a major degree aren’t enough, so what are you supposed to get money for doing? Or should your parents give you an allowance for just doing nothing?
There’s no “coddling” involved in paying a kid for good grades. I got great grades my entire academic life, and my parents stopped paying me after 5th grade, so it’s not like I have anything to be particular defensive about. It’s just that, as far as the many examples of “coddling” go (especially as a generational thing, since my GRANDPARENTS probably got paid for their grades), tossing your kid a few bucks for being an exceptional student hardly seems to rank. In life, the better you do “your job,” the better you are rewarded…merely doing it sufficiently gets you not fired. A kid’s “job” is to get grades that pass him on to the next level (i.e., “not getting fired,” in some areas, that goes as low as a "D"). For kids that perform at a level above and beyond almost all of their peers, there’s no reason to NOT show them that the world rewards exceptional behavior. Setting the “default” job of a kid as getting straight-As every quarter/semester is absurd…and I doubt most parents reward their kids for Bs and Cs. It’s like setting the default for your job to be climbing one step closer to C.E.O. every 5-6 months.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
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OK, here's the distinction as I see it...
The kid earns money for doing “extras” (things that are not expected of him and things would necessarily fall to the parents to perform). These would include performing tasks that could deservedly be done by other members of the family, but the kid takes upon himself to do. Things like doing the dishes or picking up dog shit. Everybody used the dishes and everybody enjoys the dog, but if he takes it upon himself to wash my shot glasses or pick up Rover’s turds then he gets money. He would NOT get money for cleaning his room or brushing his teeth or getting good grades because no one would logically expect another member of the famliy to perform these tasks for him. This is how the kid would earn leisure money.
Just for the record, I don’t think you guys are wrong per se, I would just parent a different way. I’m sure our kids will all grow up to be drug addicts anyway no matter what we do.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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Here's a good system them
A = $10.00
B = $1.00
C = -$1.00
D = -$10.00 and a week’s grounding
F = -$20.00 and a month’s grounding
Then, not only do you get a nominal amount for doing well, but you’re on a slippery slope to losing everything REAL fast if you even fuck up once. And if he’s losing that much money, that fast…he’s got no money to get addicted to drugs with.
I win the parenting contest. Is there a monetary incentive for that, or do I not get paid for merely ‘taking care of my kids?’
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
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Could work...
Sheesh, taking money from a kid would suck though. Then again, if my kid was really stupid I’d be one rich daddy.
The answer to your question is no. In this country, you only get paid to parent if you can’t keep your goddamn legs closed.
by Higz on
Aug 27, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
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Or I could just find a McDonald's
and take my kid there 4 times a week, until he develops an eating disorder, and sue the hell out of ’em?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 27, 2008 3:09 PM PDT
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Or do what the Asian cultures do
No monetary incentives.
Just: “Get good grades. Or else.”
Those kids never wanted to find out what “Or else” meant. So they achieved kick ass grades.
(Purely tongue-in-cheek. No offense intended.)
by XYZ123 on
Aug 27, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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I plan on adopting genetically engineered super-human clones of myself.
If nothing else, it’ll be fun to watch the world burn.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on
Aug 27, 2008 11:04 PM PDT
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i should rename this thread
summer memories
Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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:)
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Its all fun and games till Soth's warriors come to town.
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
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Someone told me that the nine year old was Kelly Leak
AKA Jackie Earle Haley

If GA wasn't so lazy the Halos woulda won the 2008 WS by now.
by melvintoast on
Aug 26, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
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Fast forward 30 years to the movie "Semi-Pro"
Man Jackie — what happened?
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on
Aug 26, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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Ironic isn't it?
Jackie Earle Haley would go on to portray a man who exposed himself to a minor in the 2006 film Little Children.
by ReggieBullits on
Aug 27, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
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And will next be seen March of 2009
Playing the role of Rorschach in Zack Snyder’s adaptation of Alan Moore’s “Watchmen.” (OT, but interesting.)
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 28, 2008 6:44 AM PDT
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I agree with all the rants on parenting
As a teacher I see it a ton in the classroom. It’s the reason why America will no longer be nearly the same superpower that it was 30 years ago as it will be in 30 years.
Little League Baseball: A kid is too good for the league and so efforts are made to kick him out.
American Schools: Far too many gifted students languish away in classrooms that aren’t anywhere near their pace or level of ability because American schools tailor themselves to fit the bottom-dwellers. We spend way too much money as a society on the lowest performing students, trying to get them to be mediocre even when they don’t even try or have IQ’s so far below normal that a team of award winning teachers teaching for 20 years wouldn’t be able to turn them around.
I really think that the parents of a gifted student would have a much better case that our schools are not meeting their needs than any parent of some ADD class disruptor.
by MH252525 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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In a nutshell, its the basic fault line betwen liberty and equality.
Liberty was the highest value of our revolution. Equality was the highest value of the French Revolution 20 years later.
We still struggle between these 2 values today.
Those that trend toward liberty say “Suck it up.”, “life isn’t fair..what else is new.”, " You got an owie? Rub little dirt in it.“, "Pick yourself up by your bootstraps”, and so on.
Those that are more interested in equality say, “It’s not fair that he throws so hard. He should be in another league.”, “ALL the participants deserve trophies”, My son/daughter worked just as hard on their report. They deserve a better grade", and so on.
I don’t see this getting better or being resolved any time soon.
by sothball on
Aug 26, 2008 7:11 PM PDT
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The problem is
Some people are looking for “equality of result”.
That is wrong. What we should be striving for is “equality of opportunity”.
The sad part for the coddlers is “equality-of-opportunity is does not mean equality-of-result”.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Sep 7, 2008 8:49 AM PDT
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My best baseball memory.......
Started playing organized baseball last year. My first team was the “Whittier Dodgers” and I was #17 (Not by choice but ended up likeing it cuz of the 7) and hit .316 with only 1 extra base hit (RBI Double in first AB).
This year I started my own team “Los Diablos Rojos” centered in La Habra. I am #21 (Roberto Clemente) hit .296 (kept fukin with my stance and how i hold the bat hit .189 and it screwed up my swing, but I went back to my old stance/grip and hit almost .500 the last 4 games) with 1 Triple, 3 Doubles and my BEST BASEBALL MEMORY my FIRST CAREER HOME RUN!!!!
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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Similar.
I play softball (modified fast-pitch, for those interested).
I’ve been playing for 7 years, and have finally evolved into a decent catcher. I’m now learning outfield and have the same best baseball memory as acuda: My first homer ever!
Actually, my best memory is my second homer. I “missed” my first. I thought it was only going to be a double, but the guy coaching third had me keep going. My second homer, I realized what I had done and was able to “enjoy” it.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Aug 26, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
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Its Funny
i know someone who in a slow pitch softball league once absolutely crushed a giant homer, then proceeded to miss home plate on his way home lol. he had a george brett pine-tar incident like argument and the homer never counteed.
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by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 26, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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Here's a pot line for switch hitter. Some like it hot!
9 year can’t play in little league because he’s too good so he dress up like a girl because there is a quota or maybe people can’t bring themselves to say that our boys can’t play because they’re getting their asses whipped by a girl!

If GA wasn't so lazy the Halos woulda won the 2008 WS by now.
by melvintoast on
Aug 26, 2008 6:46 PM PDT
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If this is stroll down memory lane
when I was 16, and in a pony-colt league, I was ejected from a county championship game in the last inning when I was thrown out at the plate. Good times, good times.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 26, 2008 10:43 PM PDT
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haha
nice
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by AnaheimHalos61 on
Aug 27, 2008 12:22 AM PDT
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Anyone who has played Little League
or has kids in little league know that its extremely political.
The part about the mom being somewhat crazy leads me to believe they just don’t want that family around.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on
Aug 27, 2008 8:24 AM PDT
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I dunno, maybe I was too naive as a kid
But I when I was on the diamond as a kid, I was having fun, and thats what I thought it was about. Course, that was 15 years ago, but still…..
Sit down, shut up and let the kids play their game.
Chuck Finley is my homeboy
by HaloDutch on
Aug 27, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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If I didn't know any better
I’d say this story must be an excerpt from an Ayn Rand novel.
I played Little League. I didn’t enjoy it. Okay, maybe that one game where I had the inside-the-park home run to tie it up in the seventh and keep us from elimination. But other than that…
I know that some of those kids must have enjoyed it immensely. I was not one of them. I’m definitely with Stirrups: toss the equipment in the field and walk away if you actually want the kids to have fun. In general, while out in right field watching the dandelions grow, I saw too much sick adult behavior, too much vicarious clamoring for vague glory, too many strange fantasies puppeted through one’s offspring.
My coach even pulled an Earl Weaver once – got himself intentionally tossed out in order to spur us on. Or something.
Again, not looking to debate the general merits of LL – I’m sure some of these kids have a fine, pure experience.
But a buddy of mine just returned from a trip to San Francisco, and described an activity the fogbreathers engage in that breaks my heart: he says that up north there is a group of punk rock kids who like to go to the park, down a few beers and play baseball. I wish I was with them now instead of in this cubicle. This is truly what has always been missing from my life.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 28, 2008 6:30 AM PDT
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Ayn Rand
That bitch had a curveball-slider combo that was unhittable in her prime.
by Rev Halofan on
Aug 29, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
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Did you win the game your coach got intentionally tossed out of?
Guessing no if he was coaching kids that did not enjoy playing baseball
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Aug 29, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
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Easy, Tiger
Most of those kids had a good time. And no, sadly, we did not win that game, but we definately buckled it up at that point. We had been plagued by what was agreed upon generally as really bogus calls. So we didn’t mind seeing him let the ump have it a bit.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on
Aug 29, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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True Story
One day, late in Little league season back in the late 60’s, the coach of one particular team had a conflict and would have to miss the final game. The team itself was a single A, pee-wee, team that had lost every game by the usual 27-3 scores. The kids were miserable, and the coach got tired of it all, and bailed. But the coach did something odd. He asked an older brother of one of the players if he would step in and coach the kids in that last game. After all, what was the league going to do? Banish the coach? The season would be over at that point. Have the team forfeit the game? They were going to lose anyway.
Well, this older brother did not know much about baseball either. Just a 14 year-old kid who did not want to let his little brother down. So he accepted. And then he walked across the street and knocked on our door. He asked my older brother if he would help coach the upcoming game. All four of us brothers in my household were baseball nuts all year round, so my older brother – also 14 years-old – recognized the predicament immediately and said sure.
Later that week the day of the game arrives and these two teenagers show up and introduce themselves to the team. My brother tells them that, hey, whatever happened all season before that was old news, and today they were going to have some fun. None of those earlier games mattered. There would be only two rules: (1) if you hit the ball, don’t stop running until you were told; and (2) if the ball came to you, catch it and run to second base. Everything else that happened was only going to be about having fun.
Yeah, that team had fun. They laughed and ran and yelled and screamed and had a glorious day of playing baseball together. None of the adults present had the guts to call out two teenagers who had obviously been put into a bad situation by some absentee adult by being called in to do something they were not supposed to be doing. So no bitching or complaining from the bleachers. And what transpired on the field, kids coached by kids, was inspirational. That team won their only game all season, 40-0.
(It really happened. North Sunrise Little League in Orange California, probably around the 1967 or 1968 season. Lynn B. was the older brother. Nelson B. was the little brother on the single A Braves. My brother, who stepped in to help, is Mark H. I put these facts out there for any doubters reading this story.)
Francisco Rodriguez: 197 career saves. 3 career Panthers, 1/3 as awesome as GMJ.
by Stirrups on
Aug 29, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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Good story.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
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