This is insanity
From the LA Times:
"Come late September, Manager Mike Scioscia and pitching coach Mike Butcher will have a difficult decision to make: Which one of the five starters, who have had seasons ranging from very good to superb, will go to the bullpen for the playoffs?
"John Lackey's status as staff ace makes him a lock to start, and Jon Garland's postseason success gives him a decided edge, so the final two spots probably will come down to the three younger pitchers, Santana, Saunders and Weaver."
If you believe in things like WHIP and ERA+, Jon Garland is objectively the worst pitcher on the Angels' staff. If you prefer wins and ERA, he's still in the running. Either way, Garland and Weaver, without question, make up the bottom 40% of this rotation. Garland had one season, in 2005, in which he pitched very well and did his part to anchor a very much overperforming White Sox rotation during their World Series run. However, that is the extent of his postseason success and (I believe) his only postseason experience.
With all other factors (mostly health and stamina) being equal, leaving Garland in the playoff rotation while sending Santana or Saunders to the bullpen is...well almost as stupid as letting Garrett Anderson start a playoff series with only one good eye.
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by The Limey on Aug 27, 2008 7:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think no question
Garland to the bullpen
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by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 27, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that article too...
it is really frightening if that is the thinking going on in the Angels FO. To think of putting Ervin Santana anywhere but directly behind John Lackey in the playoff rotation is asinine.
Saunders has melted down in September in the past, so if he starts getting hammered this month, I can see him going to the pen in favor of Garland, but only if he shows ill effects from throwing so many innings.
The good thing about Garland is that he is used to this level of workload. He shouldn’t “tire” from here on out. But, that won’t stop him from potentially “sucking” from here on out.
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by jimmuscomp on Aug 27, 2008 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the rotation has to be Lackey/Saunders/Santana
not necessarily in that order, but those 3 guys need to be in there.
in longer series, such as the World Series, I think Garland should get a crack at it UNLESS Weaver, in the next month, magically turns it around and pitches like he’s capable of.
we all know how much Sosh loves track records and veterans, and Garland has both of those things in his favor.
but, we’ll see what happens in a month.
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by howiestheman on Aug 27, 2008 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It has to be Garland
Weaver has shown some flashes of brilliance..garland hasnt shown much at all. He’s a fairly solid innings eater, but I’d need Xanax to watch him pitch in the postseason.
Well…MORE Xanax, anyway.
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by HaloDutch on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A different take
Instead of trying to decide who most deserves to be in the rotation for the playoffs, let’s ask a different question.
Which one of the starters would be best suited to come out of the bullpen? Being in NJ, I only get to see a handful of games throughout the year, so I don’t feel that I can make a well informed decision, but based on what I know, I feel Santana is probably the most well equipped to move into the bullpen for the playoffs.
I am not sure if Garland or Saunders are as equipped to make that move.
That’s just my thoughts on the issue.
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by billhune on Aug 27, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that true
santana is best suited for the BP out of all the others. But then again, Santana is arguably our 2nd best SP right now….at worst he’s clearly #3 with a big drop off to #4-5.
So you would be an idiot to put Santana in the bullpen. Especially when we already have 3 great RPs in frankie, shields and arredondo…..Oliver is very solid too. Bulger may add to the mix as well. With so many travel days and off days for the playoffs, we really won’t need more than 3-4 RPs.
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by Four Ts on Aug 27, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Saunders goes to the pen
Although it removes the only lefty starter from the rotation, adding a lefty in the pen would probably more useful, especially if one is needed earlier in the game (5th or 6th inning).
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by WiHaloFan on Aug 27, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Darren Oliver? Even with reverse splits?
Saunders has been used exclusively as a starter throughout his major and minor league career.
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by scareduck on Aug 27, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think it'd be a problem for Saunders to relieve?
That’s not a rhetorical question, I was truly wondering if that’s a problem for a starter to relieve, at least for a short amount of time.
I’ve been saying all along that the angels need another LH reliever. If the situation arises early in a game for a lefty and Oliver is used then, what will they do later in the game if the situation were there again. Regardless of a pitchers splits, if they’re “normal” or reversed, why give a LH batter the edge when he crushes RH pitching? I suppose it’s goes to how you think…does a RH pitcher who has reverse splits have the advantage over a LH hitter who crushes RH pitching, or does the LH hitter have the advantage?
Also, I never said Saunders would be better than Oliver, but “complimentary” if Saunders can relieve.
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by WiHaloFan on Aug 27, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garland
Ground ball pitcher, leads the team in double plays induced and has a 1.63 FB / GB ratio. Would be a nice reliever with men on.
by HungryHunter on Aug 27, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lackey, Santana and Saunders in that order
weaver and garland fight it out the last month for the 4th spot. But i think weaver might be better suited for the bullpen than garland.
Weaver throws way too many pitches and barly gets thru the 5th inning. Thus it allows the opposing team to get into our pen way earlier than we want.
I sure hope we can let Saunders rest a bit the last 3 weeks. I would maybe skip a start and push him back a day or two another time. Limit his pitches going forward too.
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
up is down, left is right
I don’t think there is a clear 2/3 or 4/5. It depends on the opponents, park and matchup.
I do think Weaver could be very useful in the pen tho. You could keep him away from the tough lefties.
by elricsi on Aug 27, 2008 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LA TIMES ANALYSIS NOT ANGELS POLICY
Read in between the lines there – some sportswriters at Spring Street are probably taking bribes from Garland’s agen – the Angels are never quoted in the article expressing a preference.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 27, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Garland can suck it in the bullpen
Postseason experience? Who cares.
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by hauldog on Aug 27, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's an easy solution
HR Derby, winner take all for the 4th position in the World Series. After all, their start will be in a NL ball park.
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Aug 27, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
or instead of the HR Derby, a Bunting Derby
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Aug 27, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, it's deff not Weaver.
That guy looks totally lost with a bat in his hands.
by MidwayCityLivestock on Aug 28, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on how theyre pitching
i think lackey and santana are locks, and the 3rd spot is either Saunders or Garland. Garland is definitely a gamble but lets face it, when hes good, hes really good.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 27, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense
Giovanna had column inches to fill. There’s no way that Garland slots in ahead of Ervin “Second in the AL in Strikeouts” Santana in the playoff rotation. I don’t see him getting in front of Saunders, either, unless Joe really fades down the stretch. Garland’s been a solid pitcher this year, but he hasn’t been as good as Lackey, Saunders or Santana, and I seriously doubt that something he did three years ago will count more than what’s been happening on the field this year.
by jjackflash on Aug 27, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough call: Weaver or Garland in the pen
Weave doesn’t have the composure Garland has. He still throws tantrums and gets flustered easily. Does that make him better suited for the pen, or worse? However, Weave did ok in relief of Colon against Schilling last year. 5 innings, 2 ER. I think I’m leaning towards Weaver in the pen. So, if Judy (or anyone else) falls apart, Weave can take over.
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by Rally Manatee on Aug 27, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In relief of Colon ?
I think Weaver started that game (game 3 of ALDS) ! I was there, and seem to remember it that way anyway.
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by infant on Aug 27, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
I guess you’re right. I was there too. Shows how good my memory is. I couldn’t find any 07 post season stats on Colon, so I guess Weave started the game. My bad.
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by Rally Manatee on Aug 28, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im starting to think...(ouch)
that in light of last nights start and his previous start against the twinkies that colonel saunders might be more of an asset in the pen this postseason. i’m not completely ready to give up on him for the year, but he did say in an interview that he is not physically fatigued but it feels like his arm is dragging behind him at times. and considering right now he has 164.1 IP and last year between LAA and SLC he had 193.2 (and we all saw him start to deteriorate towards that final stretch last year) that maybe his stamina is starting to wear thin.
on top of that we all know how sosh LOVES tracks records, and our beloved hokie joe, is the ONLY halo on the starting rotation without playoff experience. and wihalofan said above it would remove our only lefty from the rotation, but could prove a vital help in situational play with a second lefty coming outta the pen.
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by halofan4life on Aug 28, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is insanity
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 28, 2008 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
...and then he turns and kicks the obnoxious-smelling messenger square in the center of the chest.
The arrogant slug staggers backward attempting to maintain his balance, but it is too late! The massive density of his over-saturated ego combined with the weight of his ugly-puffy face help pull him over the edge and into the abyss. Alas…Pyrzinski is no more.
by sothball on Aug 29, 2008 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comment in LA Times
There was one sentence in the their article about last night’s game. It stated that when Texas got 2 runners on in the 9th, Jered Weaver started warming up. I suppose its because the pen was used so much the night before, but still, I thought it was interesting Weaver was the next guy to come in if needed.
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by WiHaloFan on Aug 29, 2008 5:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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