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Worst case playoff scenario

As of now the Angels and Rays have a decent lead on the 2nd tier teams for homefield advantage through out the playoffs.  However it's not out of the realm of possibility that either the Twins or White Sox catch the Angels and the Angels wind up having the worst record of the Divisional winners. 

That scenario should scare Angels fans pretty bad.  The reason being is that the Red Sox will likely be the Wild Card.  That means that the Rays and Angels would matchup in a 5 game series with Tampa Bay having home field advantage and the Angels having to beat them in Tampa.  The Rays have an absolutely sick record when they play at home but it is like 10x better when they play in front of a decent crowd which they will have during the playoffs.

Why am I mentioning this?  Well because today's loss just felt like winning was like the 4th priority.  I'm all for giving Vlad and Hunter the occasional day off, but does it have to be on the same day?  Especially when HK and Aybar are BOTH out and being replaced by hitters hitting under 200.  Especially when you chose to go with Mathis instead of Napoli when their OPS vs Right Handers is OVER 250 point difference.  Espeically when said replacements for Torii and Vlad are hitting right around 200 with no power. 

Then if they are being given the days off would it kill them to just take one ab with the game on the line in the 9th?  Soth easily could have put Figgins at 2nd and Q at 3rd after having Vlad or Torii bat for S-Rod.  Anyway with massive injuries to our MI, a HUGE Divisional Lead, and Minnesota and Chicago playing for their playoff lives, I just wanted to point out how horrible it would be if the Angels record fell below either of theirs and how it's actually a very very real possibility.

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1. We have an awesome road record
2. In our last 4 games, we’re .750 — I’ll take that record anyday… guys gotta have their rest, and we have several injuries, so there’s really not much we can do

We’re in the hunt for best record, Scioscia will do everything in his power to do what’s best for winning a WS… no worries.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Aug 31, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you stoned?

Winning 3 of 4 from the Rangers has NO bearing on the way we’ll play Tampa in the playoffs. Tell me, which Texas starters are most like Scott Kazmir and Matt Garza? That’s right, none of them.

Remember, the Rays are throwing James Shields out there as their #3, I think. This is a good team with shutdown pitchers. The Halos should be very afraid of playing them w/o home field in a short series.

The Rays are for real and that’s w/o Crawford and Longoria over the last 3 weeks…

by jimmuscomp on Aug 31, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two answers to this one...

1. The Angels will not be facing some junk throwing minor leaguer who was brought up the same day during the playoffs – ADVANTAGE HALOS.
2. The Angels have a great mark against “good” teams and are so-so against sub-.500 teams – no sub-500 teams in the playoffs (unless the Dodgers make it to the Series), so…. ADVANTAGE ANGELS.

;)

by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points, all around!

Sunday lineups typically annoy me to no end.

It IS like Mike just phones in some games from a lineup standpoint. They have an off day tomorrow – they can rest then, no?

by jimmuscomp on Aug 31, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good point about resting both

This somewhat reminds me of late last year when we just kind of went into cruise control and treated games as things we simply had to do before the playoffs, not things we absolutely had to win.

im glad we’re getting vlad and torii some rest, but i agree to rest both and have a lineup that had willits, wood, rodriguez,, matthews, and mathis in it was basically a giant white flag.

and ya, the rays scare me more than anyone. Theyre basically us but younger and hungrier. Its exactly the type of team we were in 2002 and we are exactly the type of teams we were beating back then en route to that WS….and it scares me

by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 31, 2008 7:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no to mention...

im sure that taste of collard green wall was getting to him

i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all

by halofan4life on Sep 1, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cold, hard facts:

1.) If we play Tampa in Tampa, we will lose.
2.) If we continue to play like we did today, we will play Tampa in Tampa.
3.) If we don’t make it to the Series this year, it’s not getting any easier in the foreseeable future.
4.) If we play well enough to have the best record in baseball for three months and don’t have it at the end, we need to seriously re-evaluate our front office, from Arte to Mike, and figure out why home field advantage doesn’t matter to them.

I’m not saying anything any idiot couldn’t figure out. I don’t give a flying fuck (August) how good we are on the road: Every other AL team is downright mediocre, if not terrible, on the road. Instead of trying to outplay teams in their house, why not force them to figure out how to play in Anaheim? It’s nonsensical, and it is Mike Scioscia’s biggest failing.

And finally, here’s my typical idiot fan side coming out: I get to go to maybe three games a year. It really sucks when I get to a game and don’t get to see Torii Hunter or Vlad Guerrero. It really sucks that my manager phones in a game which can drop his team’s magic number by two and give his closer another save on his way to major league history. It sucks that I have to watch Sean Rodriguez strike out three times in one game and then check-swing groundball his way into a game ending play at first. For once, I’d like to see the damn team win when I see them.

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by Carl Johnson on Aug 31, 2008 8:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

While I share your ominous feeling about all this

The Angels have TWO remaining days off. Yes, one of them is tomorrow, but the last of them was a bimonthly paycheck away (8/14). 2005 was proof enough that an unrested Vlad is an ineffective Vlad (ditto Figgins).

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Aug 31, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

incorrect

The Angels have September 29 off. They also likely have September 30 off.

Think about it.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 31, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the last part

A friend of mine finally got tickets to the Diamond Club (big expense for her) but Soth had one of his super sub lineups with Q, GMJ and Budde in it IIRC. I would be pissed and I was on her behalf that the one game she shells out big bucks she gets stuck watching a whole bunch of guys with splinters on their butts.

by MH252525 on Aug 31, 2008 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i'll freak out more in a few weeks

for now, Sunday’s lineup pissed me off, but I’m trying to take small high point from the game and focusing on those (ie Wood had 3 hits, Juan’s homer).

we have an off day tomorrow… i think we’re on the verge of turning the corner again. remember how bad we were all freaking out during May/June? “Oh, we’ll never make the playoffs with THIS offense… Oh, we suck so bad! MAKE TRADES!!!!” Granted, I was a part of all of that… which is exactly why I’m chilling right now.

Playing Texas this weekend was exactly what this team needed. It was a pretty good series for a few potential key players (Speier, Wood, Santana, Weaver), and I think, as I said earlier, things are about to get better one more time.

Hopefully, we’ll make a great run, which should include our starters playing at least 80% of the time, and we’ll steamroll everyone in October.

Mike Scioscia: He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by howiestheman on Aug 31, 2008 8:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You never know what the genuine status is of a players health on any given day.

And how that without immediate rest, some of those aches and pains can turn into serious injuries. This could be why two power hitters could be out of the lineup on the same day.

All teams hide players’ injuries from other competing teams, the public, and the press for various good reasons. Many players hide their injury from their team’s officials for fear of losing playing time or even being replaced. We fans are rarely privy to this information unless we actually see it happen on the field of play or read it in the paper as “day to day” or eventual DL status designation. Equally unusual to hear about are personal and psychological issues a player may be dealing with at any given time.

Health is just one important issue that is held behind clubhouse doors. If we knew every little thing that goes on with a team organization composed of so many players, some decisions we question would probably seem perfectly logical. I’m not saying this is the reason for Soth’s decisions in every instance, but this is what I think of when trying to makes sense of why he puts up some of these rosters when he does.

If the Angels are truly the best team, they will win against whatever team they have to face in any venue they are required to play in. It really just comes down to that.

by 44FAN on Aug 31, 2008 9:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BRING EM ON

Our worst possible offense just eked out a loss to the AL’s best offense. We are the dominators. Those Rays have been playing so many games on that turf that they will be sick ass cripples when we come in for the ass-stomping.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 31, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunno 'bout that

Vlad had a .346/.446/.538 line in his 2003 season as a 27-year-old on the Montreal turf. If there’s a problem it’s over a much longer time.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Aug 31, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last Time I looked

Vlad was not on the Rays.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 31, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Largely immaterial

The problem with knees comes up after the guys come up for free agency, is my point. Expecting them to fall because they’ve played all year on turf is wishcasting.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas Terrible

The Rangers pitching staff is one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball this year. They very well may be the worst staff in MLB. Don’t think I would use them as a bench mark for the success the Angels had this weekend. I think the biggest thing is they battled back in all 3 games they won. That shows character!

As you know good pitching and defense win Championships, and the Angels will have to pitch their ass off. I think the biggest issue is making sure guys like Shields and Speier are at their best. That TB staff is nails and has been all year. Don’t think that astroturf will cripple the pitching staff. Not to mention they would have an advantage since GA and Vlad seem to be allergic to the stuff.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Aug 31, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not character so much

as the leading offense in the majors.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

You SAID IT.

Panther.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 31, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for trying to have a healthy team come October

However I don’t feel having Vlad come up to bat in the 9th for ONE ab with the game on the line for one of your worst if not your worst hitter is going to negatively effect him come October.

by MH252525 on Aug 31, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was rooting for Vlad to PH for SRod...

he would have won the game AND gotten me 3 points in the PGG game.

by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys really know how to kill a buzz

Tampa Bay is entering a brutal 19 game stretch where they play NY six times, Boston six times, Toronto three times (anyone that thinks Toronto is a pushover should remember that with Doc on the mound it’s always tough), and the Twinkies four times. They have one day off before the end of the year and double header thrown in there too. The question is not whether they have a better record than the Halos, but whether Boston catches them.

So before anyone jumps off the Vincent Thomas, have little faith that when the games count again (and they haven’t for a while), the boys can ratchet up another level. I’ll worry around the last ten days or so.

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand your point ............BUT

Tampa Bay has played good baseball all year long. Sure they had that little bump in the road just before the all star game losing 7 in a row, but they turned it around right after that having only lost 2 games in a row twice since then. They can pitch and they have shown heart.

I see your point with the tough schedule, but Boston plays a tough schedule as well with 6 games against TB. Then Tor 7 times in Sept. with a Sat DH of their own against the Blue Jays. Have to think that Doc will make a visit in 2 of those games (TB vs. Doc 2-1 this yr).

Boston also ends the season against the Yankees who you know will play that series as if its the World Series. The plus for BoSox is they play a bulk of these games at home while TB is only home 10 times this month. I just think that this is the time when they will beat on each other but not a lot will change. My reason is the Rays are a better team then the Red Sox. Boston has some pitching problems.

The big thing is those teams in the East and the other teams that have playoff type atmosphere games will benefit from them. Hard to flip it on when you have had the power off so long. Not sure there is any meaningless games……..

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Sep 1, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree that Boston also has it tough, but...

I can’t imagine any team, not even Tampa, going that 30 day stretch unscathed. Our schedule is much kinder here on out than the Rays. The point that you make that I feel is most important is " I just think that this is the time when they will beat on each other." I still believe that Tampa will win the division and I am hoping against hope that the wild card comes out of the Central (if that happens, we sure as hell won’t be playing the Rays in the first round). But I also believe that Tampa will slow a bit. I’m waiting for the Longoria injury to have an impact and Kazmir has had a couple rough outings in the second half.

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Sep 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The schedule

is probably the most compelling part of this discussion.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think

of how McCarthy, Nippert, Feldman, and Millwood did against your offense. Now lets replace that with Kazmir, Garza, Shields, and Jackson. I would be praying if I were you guys that you face Minneosta, Boston, or Chicago in the first round.

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by hinduplaya on Sep 1, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

think of how

brandon wood, sean rodriguz, gary matthews jr, jeff mathis, robb quinlan and reggie willits did against your “starting pitching” if you can call it that. Now think of how a lineup of Figgins, Howie, Tex, Vlad, Torii, GA, Juan Rivera, Mike Napoli and Erick Aybar will do, with alot more rest than any of the pitchers. Keep in mind, Kazmir, Garza, and shields are all really young and have no playoff experience and will have very tired arms come playoffs. Advantage, Angels

Exceeding expectations is less a matter of luck than possession of certain assets.

by anaheim angels on Sep 1, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the 4 game series

you had atleast 6 of the guys from the 2nd group you listed playing in the first 3 games. Figgins, Tex, and GA played in 4, Vlad and Torrie played in 3, and Napoli played in 2. I imagine they didnt some of them didnt play because your manager’s resting them for the playoffs. Now, my question to you is, do you think Kendrick and Aybar are really going to make that much of a difference to your offense?

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by hinduplaya on Sep 1, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if wood starts to rake,

then to me, him and saybar are interchangable. but i will gladly take howie doubles over s-rod anyday

i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all

by halofan4life on Sep 1, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean changing the .160 hitter with limited power for the .310 hitter who has doubles power.

Hitting second nonetheless with a decently high OBP. No, not that much of a difference at all. I mean, OBP doesnt really matter from the two spot, does it?

Exceeding expectations is less a matter of luck than possession of certain assets.

by anaheim angels on Sep 3, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angels have winning record against all potential playoff teams except TB.

Our offense was a little beat up for this series against the Rangers,but I also agree that our offense has sputtered 2/3 of the year.
Playoffs are a completely different animal. The last 2 times in the playoffs, we have entered far less than healthy. We hope to be (mostly) healthy by the end of the month. If healthy, we have at least as good a shot at the WS as any other team.
Besides its the playoffs….you just never know what can happen…
Anyway, good luck to you in college…I hope you make it as a walk on.

by sothball on Sep 1, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

A little luck always helps

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by hinduplaya on Sep 1, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TX fans, come on over!

We’ll take you under our wing during the playoffs. Show you how it’s done. A’s fans, M’s fans too. Why not? Keep it in the AL West family.

Besides, you can’t root for the Rays. If they win, TX and Seattle will be the only AL teams left with no championship. That’s just sad.

No more hammies! Please!

by Rally Manatee on Sep 1, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

With our farm system, it shouldnt be too long. And anyways, imo, Tampa is one of those teams, like Colorado, that you cant help but root for.

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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

'cuz it's Angels' baseball, exported. Of course you like it.

see “Maddon, Joe”.

Francisco Rodriguez: 199 career saves. 4 career Panthers, almost 1/2 as awesome as GMJ.

by Stirrups on Sep 2, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd for the 1st paragraph

well said

i pledge alliegance... to mike Scioscia
and the angels way of baseball
and to each pennant and ring we are sure to win.
one fanatic, under the halo, unwavered
with in n out and world series rings for all

by halofan4life on Sep 1, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely!!

If Tampa beats on our ass, tip your cap and be happy for a great season. I refuse to be like Jeter and the rest of the spoiled yankee nation who feel the season is a failure if they don’t win the world series. If that were the case, I’d save a lot of money by only buying playoff tickets.

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Sep 1, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We beat down TX's offense

TX is 2nd in the AL in hitting, even better than most of any of the teams we will face in the playoffs. Our pitching held them to 13 runs in 4 games (that’s 3.25 a game) while we scored 17 (4.25 a game).

If our pitching remains solid, we should have no problem against TB, even in a 5 game series. Their offense is inferior to TX and us. Just get ready for some pitcher’s duels is all.

I’m also banking on the mental edge we will have. I don’t care how hungry the Rays are. I’ll take experience over eagerness anyday. Our guys don’t want the ring any less than theirs.

No more hammies! Please!

by Rally Manatee on Sep 1, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TB appears to be fading

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Sep 4, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Predictably

Note their schedule.

Francisco Rodriguez: 200 career saves. 4 career Panthers, almost 1/2 as awesome as GMJ.

by Stirrups on Sep 4, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we did not seem to have much trouble with NY ;)

Seattle I would like to thank you for sucking. It allows me to get back to my roots: Hating Fremont.

Kobe tell me how my ass tastes

by hauldog on Sep 4, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because we OWN that city! : )

(Methinks the Yankers are rather enjoying their end-of-season opportunity to beat up on the upstart AL East team that used to behave as their personal bitches and provide them with a free playoff slot.)

Francisco Rodriguez: 200 career saves. 4 career Panthers, almost 1/2 as awesome as GMJ.

by Stirrups on Sep 4, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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