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Prospects in Review: Rancho Cucamonga Quakes

Previous Prospect Posts: Cedar Rapids Kernals, Orem Owlz, AZL Angels, DSL Angels

Fifth in the series. The Quakes were the only team in our minor league system to miss the playoffs this year, due partly to injuries.

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Rancho Cucamonga Quakes-

High-A California League is a player's first opportunity to really get their name on the radar of the general fanbase. It's fairly close to the Angels' Major League stadium, so guys tend to rehab here a lot as well, which in turn brings those fans who feel it's easier to get autographs and such from players while they are rehabbing. Because of all these factors Rancho is where people really start to gauge whether you're "for real" or not. Things to remember:

  • Launch Pad. This place will jack up offensive numbers and eat pitchers alive if they aren't up to snuff. A hitting prospect needs to hit .850 OPS or higher here to really look solid, though occasionally guys will surprise you. For pitchers, 4.5 or better ERA is considered solid.
  • Age Range. 21-22 is okay, 20 is young, 23 is creaky and 24 or higher isn't generally a good sign.
  • High-A. Guys here are typically 2-3 years away.
  • I am not a professional scout, though I have seen some of these guys play a few times.

Top Prospects

Hank Conger- C/DH Born 1/29/1988 (20) - .303/.333/.517/.850, 73 G, 294 AB, 20 2B, 2 3B, 13 HR, 14 BB, 55 K, 2 SB, 1 CS

As good as those numbers are from a switch-hitting catcher, this season can't really be considered anything more than a disappointment for Conger. To begin with, he missed significant time with injury for a third straight season. He's starting to approach JD Drew or Milton Bradley levels in the injury-prone department, which is bad, though not necessarily panic-inducing just yet (Casey Kotchman was exactly the same way). Perhaps because of those issues, Conger stopped catching for the last half of the season or so, relegated to a role as DH.

The other reason to be disappointed is the numbers themselves. They're pretty good, especially for a twenty year-old at the high-A level, but people were expecting something closer to Brandon Wood or Howie Kendrick than what we got (again, Kotchman is probably the right area). As it stands, Conger can't really hold a candle to either guy. These numbers are closer to what Erick Aybar put up at the same age, in the same place. If you want the ultra-pessimistic interpretation, Jeff Mathis put up better hitting numbers in Rancho than Conger.

However, there IS a bright spot, specifically that Conger picked it up big time in the last three weeks at Rancho, raising his average from .283 to .303, while hitting 8 doubles and 5 homers. He has gone on to make a significant difference in the AA Arkansas Travelers playoffs, becoming the Travs main RBI producer with 12 in 7 games. The deciding game of the championship series will be played tonight at 8pm ET.

Hopefully Conger will pick it up even further next season at Arkansas, though whether he has any future at Catcher remains to be seen.

 

Jordan Walden- RHSP Born 11/16/1987 - (20) 4.04 ERA, 49 IP, 1.35 WHIP, 24 BB, 50 K

Walden spent two-thirds of the season at Cedar Rapids and thoroughly dominated before being called up to Rancho for his last 9 starts. These stats, while not what he was putting up with the Kernals, are still quite good for a 20-year old. Walden actually improved on his K-Rate while moving up, though his walk rate also increased. His groundball rate predictably dropped a bit, but still remained an encouragingly high 1.76.

Walden possesses our organization's best fastball, regularly hurling 98, and combines that with some good offspeed. With Adenhart's problems at Salt Lake, Walden may have become our best pitching prospect. Despite the brevity of his time here in Rancho this season, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if he moves up a level to Arkansas next season.

 

Alexander Torres- LHSP Born 12/08/1987 (20) - 3.91 ERA, 53 IP, 1.53 WHIP, 29 BB, 62 K

Torres is the latest proof that anything can happen during a season, and that sometimes guys just need time to figure things out. Two years ago, Torres put up  unremarkable numbers with the AZL Angels, and then in 2007 posted even less remarkable numbers with the same club. He began this season still mired in the AZL... but he didn't stay there. After posting a 1.54 ERA through his first 4 starts, Torres got a break with a call-up to Rancho Cucamonga to fill in a few starts, and impressed enough to stick for the rest of the season. While he was fairly erratic, dominating in one start and getting lit up the next, he still put up impressive numbers for a 20 year old at this level, especially the strike-outs.

Torres managed to post a ground ball rate even higher than Walden's at 2.26, and his K-Rate was better, while being a month younger. Torres was not as good as Walden at keeping men off base though, allowing more hits, and surrendering more walks.

Where Torres goes from here is less certain than Walden, due partially to the erratic nature of his starts, and also to his lack of history in the system. He might find himself with the Travs, but could also conceivably end up staying in Rancho. I have some suspicion that with his small frame (he's only 5-10), Torres might end up becoming a reliever, but only time will tell on that score. It will be interesting to see if he cracks any top-prospect lists.

 

Sean O'Sullivan- RHSP 9/01/1987 (21) - 4.73 ERA, 158 IP, 1.37 WHIP, 50 BB, 111 K


O'Sullivan almost didn't make it on here, which would have been a shame, seeing as how he's been one of our better pitching prospects that last few seasons. He had a truly ugly first half, posting an ERA over 6 and failing to average even 5 innings per start. However, Sean picked it up big-time post All-Star Break, bringing his ERA down to 3.31, lowering his BB-Rate and BAA, and putting up just over 6 innings per start. The only thing that didn't dramatically improve was his K-rate.

O'Sullivan is also quite young for the league (he turned 21 here in September, but he's only 2 months older than Walden), and his WHIP suggests that he may have simply been unlucky during his dismal first half. Another odd aspect to O'Sullivan's numbers (which I also noted in July) is the large disparity between his home and away numbers, which as we know from our struggles with Santana, indicates a certain level of immaturity in a pitcher that is fortunately correctable.

 

Also worth a mention...

Peter Bourjos- CF Born 03/31/1987 (21)

Ryan Mount- 2B/SS Born 8/17/1986 (22)

Anthony Norman- LF Born 10/22/1985 (23)

Trevor Bell- RHRP Born 10/12/86 (21)

Two months ago, I'd have sworn up and down that Bourjos would make the prospect list, but he dropped off a cliff post ASB. His batting average dipped to .284 at one point in August, which doesn't sound that bad until you realize that he was hitting .326 in mid-July. He did manage to avert total collapse by going crazy the last two weeks or so, bringing himself back to .295 for the season, but it's still disappointing when you consider where he was. Hopefully he picks it up next year in Arkansas, and he could always get a job as a pinch runner.

Mount is just the opposite. He had an injured April followed by a horrible May, and then was great for the rest of the season and nearly made the prospect list. Norman's problem is that he's old and had a really low batting average for some reason. Other than that he's great. He has good speed, ripping off 36 bases to only 6 CS, great BB-Rate, decent K-Rate, and decent power. Trevor Bell, our first pick in the 2005 Draft, wasn't very good as a starter, but put up solid numbers as a reliever, with a 2.43 ERA in 37 innings.

Wrapup

This 2008 Rancho team was kind of disappointing over-all. There was way more talent on this team than, say Arkansas or Cedar Rapids, but injuries to Conger, Mount, and Matt Sweeney, plus pitching that didn't show up until late in the season, ended up costing the team a playoff spot by one game. Hopefully this group will do better in Arkansas next season, especially if Walden and Torres stick around. Speaking of the Travs, they're up next.

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King Conger.........

pick it up mang……….thanks Stu

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 15, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a note, but it seems that BA has started their League top 20 lists for this season.

You can check out the AZL top 20 here. Feel free to go back and compare it to mine. _

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 15, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your note should say

I am not a profession scout, although I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Exceeding expectations is less a matter of luck than possession of certain assets.

by anaheim angels on Sep 15, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conger....

The guy had 75 RBI in less than 300 abs, was young for the league and was injured for a big chunk. Sure he should have posted a 900 OPS at least if he was healthy the entire year but he mashed at the end when he was fully healthy.

Conger could come up right now and out hit Mathis….. Mathis REGRESSED after that year at Rancho when some thought of him as our best prospect. After his age 20 year in Rancho he only hit for a .700 OPS at AA. Conger will far surpass that!

The scary thing about Mathis which I didn’t notice until right now….

2005 Age 22 in AAA .839 OPS 427 AB
2006 Age 23 in AAA .763 OPS 384 AB
2007 Age 24 in AAA .671 OPS 250 AB

How in the world does that happen Jeff!!!!! Can anyone explain that w/o mentioning Mickey Hacker?

by MH252525 on Sep 15, 2008 5:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummm....shit, I'm stumped

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by halofan4life on Sep 15, 2008 8:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conger could come up right now and outhit Mathis?

Wood and S-Rod outhit Conger in AAA THIS season, and haven’t been done a whole lot better than Mathis in the majors overall, though lately they’ve out-hit him somewhat. I’m aware of Mathis’ problems after High-A. That’s why I called it “the ultra-pessimistic interpretation.” I’m pretty sure you know as well as I do that RBI are largely a function of opportunity, and not a good predictive indicator.

As far as Mathis getting progressively worse at AAA, that could easily be explained by increasingly accurate scouting by opponents, as they have realized that he is simply incapable of hitting breaking pitches, which is why he ALSO fails at hitting in the majors.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 15, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conger moved up to AA, didn't he?

or was that just for the playoffs?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Sep 15, 2008 6:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just for the playoffs and, as I said, he's done pretty well for himself, hitting .265 with 13 RBI in 8 games.

Arkansas won tonight, 11-3 with Conger having a hit and an RBI.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 15, 2008 8:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was just clarifying

i thought he’d done well during the playoffs

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Sep 15, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You rock Zu

Really happy to see Anthony Norman mentioned. He’s one of the few players I keep up with on a daily basis. For what its worth I played with the kid on a couple of traveling teams and can tell you that you wont find a smarter, harder working player. He runs extremely well, has an above average arm and range in center to go with surprising power.

You are what you type.

by rjcicc on Sep 15, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm really kind of pulling for that guy.

He’s a long shot due to age, but he does a lot of things well. It’s cool that you met him.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 15, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pulling for him too.

We played on a Fullerton based traveling team together while in high school and still shoot him texts every now and then. Great, great kid.

You are what you type.

by rjcicc on Sep 15, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zu, in the offseason

If it is not too much of a pain in the ass, this winter I would appreciate some review of how players moved and down throughout the organization, and what impact that might have had on their development – positive or negative.

I would suspect that the Halos injuries at the top, and how well management dealt with those injuries as they brought up and used minor leaguers – caused a positive chain reaction that has resulted in improved depth throughout the food chain. I would be interested to know if this was verifiable.

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 145 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Sep 15, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, there'd be a lot of speculation involved, but I could give it a shot.

Just off hand, I’d say you’re correct, but I think that happens fairly often. When the milk is churned, the cream will rise to the top, after all. The guys who are just better than everyone else tend to move up faster. I do think we look better than we did last year because of our new depth in the AZL and Orem. There weren’t a whole lot of guys, especially at Orem, who looked all that hot last year, which mostly comes down to a bad draft. We did see Reckling, Clay Fuller, Angel Castillo and Darwin Perez in the AZL last season (though only Reckling and Fuller really looked good), but at Orem it was Walden, and that was pretty much it. There just wasn’t much there.

On the other hand we also had a lot of our former depth hurt by injuries this season. Guys like Tim Schoeninger, Matthew Sweeney, Miguel Gonzalez— all of those guys missed the whole season with injuries. All of them were also fairly young, so if they show up next year, it’ll be like we suddenly got deeper. Young-Il Jung was supposed to be a big prospect for us and still could be. Mason Tobin looked pretty good last year, and was doing alright this year before being injuried early. Terry Evans and Chris Petit both missed about 2/3rds of the season with injuries and didn’t put up very good numbers once they got back. That might not be true next season.

Then, like Alexander Torres, sometimes guys disappear for a year and then suddenly break out. Like Kevin Jepsen or Arredondo, they’ll look mediocre for a season and then just show up the next year ready to pitch in the majors. In 2006, Freddy Sandoval put up an absolutely pathetic .709 OPS in Rancho Cucamonga, then came back the next season and did great in Arkansas. This year he carried that over to AAA, and judging by who has been getting playing time here in September, he may very well have passed Matt Brown on the organizational depth chart.

The thing I always try to remember (and something I feel a lot of sabre-guys forget) is that what I look at is just numbers, and there is an entire WORLD of things happening in the minors that I don’t see and have no way of knowing about. Even during the “offseason” guys are going to winter ball, baseball camps, private coaching, etc.; and who gets better in those places often helps determine which level they end up at the next season.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Sep 16, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to read chronicles of the lads pretty religiously

for the 2007 season when i discovered it. Real disappointment when it was discontinued. It really gave me a view of the angels farm system, and how our future was doin in the minors

Exceeding expectations is less a matter of luck than possession of certain assets.

by anaheim angels on Sep 15, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Baseball analysts just posted their lists of AL West prospects.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/09/rating_the_pros_4.php

Lots of names on there I would be unfamiliar with were it not for this series.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Sep 16, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw three of Walden's starts

Kid’s got serious upside. That fastball is major-league level.

I was pretty disappointed in Bourjos the second half, myself. Still, we’ve seen flashes of is potential, and I think he can be the next home-grown Angels star OF, in the tradition of Salmon and Lazybones Anderson.

Bryan Harvey- king of the 'Stache

by HaloDutch on Sep 17, 2008 6:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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