A Few Other Trade Options
by marshgr on Jan 1, 2009 6:29 PM PST
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There are some small to mid-market teams that may be willing to deal some talent to shed payroll. Here are a few guys who could be available for the right deal.
#1 - Carlos Lee, Astros
Yes, he is another right-handed bat, but could fill our DH/OF slot and could leave Figgins in his super-utility role.
Proposed trade: Brandon Wood and Nick Adenhart +?
#2 - Prince Fielder, Brewers
He would be the huge lefty bat we are looking for and a primary DH with some time at 1B to rest Kendry.
Proposed trade: would have to be a biggie! Figgins, Wood and Adenhart?
#3 - Chris Duncan, Cardinals
They have a log jam in the outfield and are looking to deal one. They need to bolster their pen and are a team who covets speed.
Proposed trade: Aybar for Duncan?
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yes...i love the duncan idea...
because we DONT have a logjam in the outfield…idiot
by cmy912 on Jan 1, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Duncan would be a lefty bat
And he absolutely mashes right-handed pitching, so he could have a nice role in the Angels all-righthanded lineup. Giving up Aybar would be too much, but if the Angels could get him for real cheap I wouldn’t mind that at all.
Saving countless runs with my defense.
by Sam Miller OCR on Jan 1, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Aybar...
Jesus… just trade him. Far too over-valued in my opinion. Izturiz can do the job better anyways. Or how about, Izzy would have got the bunt down.
I’m not knocking you…. I just don’t understand the love for Aybar. He’s not just not special in any way shape or form.
by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aybar is considered good because defense matters, too.
I’m not convinced he’ll ever hit much at all, but from what I’ve read in other HH posts, his defensive value is huge.
by snowhor on Jan 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah... I'll agree with you
The guy has insane range and a great arm but Izturis can do it too… and hit. To me, Aybar is very expendable. Sean Rod can become your infield rover after Aybar is traded. Alone, I don’t think he’d garner a ton of attention, but he has value has a puzzle piece of a deal.
by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not opposed to trading Aybar, necessarily
But he really is one of the five best defensive shortstops alive. If he can hit even a little bit during his peak years he’s a nice guy to have at the minimum salary. Trade him for value, definitely, just not for a platoon bat.
Saving countless runs with my defense.
by Sam Miller OCR on Jan 2, 2009 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
his defense is ridiculous – some types of analysis show him being worth around $8~9 million, even with the atrocious bat.
visiting halos fan
by 442 on Jan 2, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him now
While his value is what it is, and when he’s not making that kind of money. People will find that as an asset… again, as a puzzle piece of a deal, not centerpiece.
But agreed.
by matt92130 on Jan 2, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give Aybar a break
No one could have bunted that pitch, not even with a cricket bat.
Aybar will be just 25 next year, and look at how much he improved from 2007 to 2008. His career minor league numbers are .312 / .348 / .453, and while he’ll never be a menace at the plate, his contact rate and spray charts are good enough to show that with some more development, he has a chance to be a regular .300 hitter with great speed and occasional gap power. Defensively, his range and throwing arm are already excellent, and his error rate should decrease with experience. Add it all up and you’ve got one hell of a valuable young shortstop. If you’re going to trade him, it had better be for something good.
Izturis is also a valuable player, and criminally under-appreciated, but he’s more than two years older than Aybar and closer to free agency. I think he’s already reached his potential, and it might be worth waiting to see if Aybar can top him.
by Suboptimal on Jan 2, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um that pitch was very buntable. He f'd up
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on Jan 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was still a stupid call by Scioscia
they were WAITING for the squeeze. they KNEW it was coming, he was way too predictable on that one.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Jan 2, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Poor decision by Scioscia; poor execution by Aybar. The fact is that the season should not have come down to that one play, there were many other aspects beyond this one play to getting wumped by the Sox.
by mustard_man on Jan 2, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
And Veritek dropped the damn ball. Someone explain that to me please.
If the collision was at the plate and the ball comes out…. the runner is ruled safe. Same situation, just no collision and at 3rd base. Reggie was safe.
by matt92130 on Jan 2, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go man, let it go.
We have all complained quite loudly about that call, and wether it was the right call (I don’t think it was) or just another terrible call in an offseason chalk full of really really really bad calls (probably the case), it is what it is.
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by halofan4life on Jan 3, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the funny thing about the squeeze
Even if they “know” its coming, if the bunt is dropped then the run scores. That’s why it is a suicide squeeze.
For what it is worth, if the Red Sox “knew” the squeeze was on, then Francona would have called for a pitchout. Since he didn’t, I think we can conclude that Francona suspected that Scioscia might squeeze, but that he didn’t know for sure.
Finally, this is mentioned elsewhere but worth repeating: if the offense was so impotent that the success of the game and series depended upon a suicide squeeze, then the Angel hitters as a group were to blame, not Scioscia, Aybar or Willits on that particular play.
by George Kaplan on Jan 2, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The last paragraph says it all.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on Jan 2, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to get into the merits of Scioscia's call...
but the pitchout (by the Red Sox) isn’t necessarily what’s done if the suicide squeeze is expected.
Pitchers are taught to bury fastball in when the squeeze (or any bunt) is suspected as well. So, the fact that their wasn’t a pitchout doesn’t mean that Francona wasn’t expecting bunt there. The fastball buried into a tough bunting zone does actually suggest that they were suspicious of it, though.
Some coaches prefer the fastball buried in as it can so easily result in a popped up bunt (and subsequent double play).
If Aybar had made a fundamentally correct effort at bunting that ball (instead of just sticking his bat down at a poor angle and hoping for the best), though, it absolutely is a buntable ball (especially by a purportedly good bunter).
As to your last paragraph, I totally agree; the whole season came down to a botched suicide squeeze, which speaks volumes about how poorly our offense was performing.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
suicide squeeze
but if you risk throwing the ball hard and in, you can say you hope for a foul ball and DP, but don’t you risk putting the ball in play, causing more problems then needed? if you know in your gut that the suicide is comin then pitch out and get the sure out right?
by HALO_86 on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on the pitcher, a pitchout can adversely
affect rhythm. I don’t know enough about Del Carmen to say for sure, but there are plenty of pitchers who can be rattled a bit by having to make the adjustments necessary to throw a pitchout.
For example, pitchouts are hell on Scot Shields. It’s better to have him deliver a strategic pitch than it is to watch him struggle with his control after throwing a pitchout.
Again, I don’t know Delcarmen or Francona well enought to speculate on this…just playing devil’s advocate.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burying the ball
You are correct, of course, assuming the pitcher has the control required to pitch the ball hard inside without either hitting the batter or causing a passed ball.
I don’t think that pitcher is Manny Delcarmen. I don’t think his business card contains the legend “Control Specialist”.
It sucks that the play turned out as it did, but I still believe that the call was the right one for Scioscia to make. The simple fact was that the Angel offense was MIA for the entire series, and expecting that Aybar or anyone else was going to drive in Willits with a base hit wasn’t an expectation supported by the experience of the prior games in the series. Scioscia wasn’t left with better options than a gadget play, and any bunted ball reaching the ground would have scored the run.
That’s the problem with all-or-nothing calls such as Scioscia calling for the suicide squeeze—if it works, he’s a hero, but if it doesn’t, he (unfairly) gets called an idiot by outraged fans all Winter. Had his hitters done their job earlier, that call with Aybar at the plate would not have been necessary.
by George Kaplan on Jan 3, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still wonder, if the suicide had been successful,
if K-ROD would have saved the game (or choked it away).
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not
But each of us would have aged 10 years watching that 9th inning.
by George Kaplan on Jan 4, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't that the truth!
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 4, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan plays . . .
1B as well.
Not a bad idea IMO. As long as he comes cheap.
by krush40 on Jan 2, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you
We need a left-handed power hitter. Do you think he could DH? We have a logjam of crap… are you really excited about Juan Rivera, Willits or Matthews?
You are the fucking idiot.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Jan 2, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A ....... DOUCHEBAG says what???????
Relax, man. Light up a bowl and just re-effing-lax.
Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.
by PieceOfAase on Jan 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now now
hes right, check out our DH options
Willits, GMJ, and Rivera if either of the other two are in the field.
Now, dont you feel the overpowering rage as well?
We might have the absolute worst DH in the history of the rule in 09.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Jan 2, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Vlad SHOULD DH
but hes got that whole pride thing.
He’d also have a point if we signed Dunn because Im not sure Vlad would even be worse in Right than Dunn. Maybe Abreu but I cant see him coming here for what wed probably want to give him (1 year). Milton Bradley would get hurt if he stepped in the field.
But ya, an outfielder can be had because Vlad would just DH. Its just that for me personally, none of the outfielders out there are guys Id be excited about having on the team in 3 years.
Why did we close the door on manny again? Im starting to second guess that one.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Until last year
his numbers steadily declined every year.
Either he doesn’t care enough to play hard every year, or he just got all hulk-ragey on it after getting spurned by the Sux and put up monster numbers he will not be able to re-create under normal circumstances.
Either way, I do not care. I want a walk-off by Manny for the Angels in Fenway and watching the Bawstin fans BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW all over as I bask in their tears.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Jan 3, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rage justified
no reason to randomly call people idiots as cmy did in response to his post.
The offseason tension is rising!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Jan 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reply function should be utilized when swearing at others. You look foolish
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on Jan 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda looks like he did use the reply function...
His reply is inset further than the original statement, it’s just way below it due to the number of comments (he was called idiot in the first comment). Have a second look.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct my bad
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on Jan 2, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey...I thought the rule was ONE f-bomb a month...
I think I’ll take the second one
by cmy912 on Jan 2, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people make up their own rules
when it suits them
by Seik1177 on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear marshgr,
Since I’m a nice guy, I’ll let you use my January F-Bomb for the month since I won’t use it.
—- cmy912
by cmy912 on Jan 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like prince isnt available now, but...
will be at the trade deadline. I think the brewers will go see how their team is and if they fail because of crap pitching, they’ll decide a slight rebuild may be in order.
an extra outfielder might not be the worst idea because vlad might as well become the DH now that garret is gone. I just dont think the Astros would give up Lee. He was on an MVP pace before he got hurt last year
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 1, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like Prince
and feel he is the most available but it would be a rental for however much he has left on his contract since he is a Boras client. But we could send a package revolved around fellow Boras disciple Jered Weaver lol.
by Chzburger Jones on Jan 1, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Prince is good
But the Brewers will plunder our farm system before they’ll even think about starting talks.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Jan 1, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fielder would be great as an Angel!
But I agree Clutch…. they’d take all they could get from us at this point. Maybe July would be kinder…. but I doubt it. I think it would take more than Figgins, Wood, and Adenhart.
I like the trades though.
by matt92130 on Jan 1, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Brewers trade Prince?!?
He doesn’t even hit arbitration until next season. Though Boras is his agent, nobody would have to deal with him in contract talks until after the 2011 season—Boras typically doesn’t have his players sign deals which take away the first year(s) of free agency, though he might negotiate a deal which covers the arbitration years.
The Brewers need players to build around, and Prince, Hardy and Braun (who is locked up through 2015) form a nice offensive core to add to. The pitching staff has taken a hit with the loss of Sabathia and Sheets, but the GM has shown savvy in the players he has obtained.
The Brewers would have little use for Figgins or Wood, since they have Lamb and Hall both under contract to play 3B and Hardy at SS—maybe Figgins to play 2B. They could use a catcher to replace Kendall, but doubtful that Mathis would excite them. They need pitchers
GM Doug Melvin could trade Prince and get (for example) Adenhart and Jepsen (plus younger arms) in the deal, but that creates a hole in the offense, and face it, chicks dig the long ball—if the fans build an attachment to Prince, then the GM risks alienating the fan base.
by George Kaplan on Jan 2, 2009 6:45 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
well they lost CC, probably ben sheets, and traded their best offensive prospect
Unless they got some gems waiting on the farm, a midmarket team can only be competitive through trades really. Theyre not gonna be signing any impact free agents ever and as i noted in the title, their best trading chip went towards getting CC.
To make matters worse, their draft pick for CC got bumped to a 2nd rounder because the Yanks took Tex.
I think they’ll hold on to Prince but if theyre gonna lose this year WITH him (which is likely because of their pitching), their fans wont care. Fans like winning more than they like players. Brewer fans would rather win without Prince than lose with him.
And really, they need pitching to compete in that division. If we were to sign another starter, we would have the pitching depth to offer them.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 2, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
if they trade him, the only good player that they would really have is Braun. From what I’ve seen, there’s a prospect coming up named Gamel who can rake, but can’t field to save his life, so maybe they would consider trading prince, but it seems unlikely… players like Fielder don’t come around very often.
Besides, who would we give them? It’s not like our farm system’s bursting with potential right now.
visiting halos fan
by 442 on Jan 2, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing about fielder
Players that only hit home runs, with no speed or batting averge, tend to age poorly – if you look at the one-dimensional sluggers now, they all used to be decent in other areas. If you look at the players that really excel into their late 30s, they used to do some other things (Thomas used to hit 300, etc). Prince is as one-dimensional as you get.
visiting halos fan
by 442 on Jan 2, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
With the bulk Prince carries...
…he reminds me of Mo Vaughn. When did the wheels come off Mo – early to mid 30’s?
by mustard_man on Jan 2, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the astros as an organization are in shambles...
i think lee, berkman and maybe oswalt would be available for the right mix of young cheap talent. i’ve got a gut feeling that oswalt might be available at mid-season which could lower the value for peavy. we could be players for oswalt or peavy.
by thejd on Jan 2, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oswalt is so goddam sexy
SO underrated and delicious
Dear Sweet Baby Jesus that would be an amazing trade.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Jan 2, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've read the term "man crush" on this blog
more than a few times.
Would this be an example, or am I reaching?
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive had him on my fantasy team for years
He absolutely is dominant especially against weaker teams.
Kinda man crushy, more fantasy love.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Jan 2, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just having some fun.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crush
Calling someone “goddamn sexy” qualifes as a crush, and Roy is a man.
by Sethy on Jan 2, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about "delicious?"
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yummy??
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000
by halofan4life on Jan 3, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Astros
On the one hand, it would be difficult to trade the ace of the team and then tell the fans with a straight face that this team intends to contend for the NL Central.
On the other hand, the team payroll is supposed to be under $100M (maybe $95M) and there is a total of $60M in 2009 payroll tied up in Tejada, Oswalt, Berkman and Lee alone. That means just about everyone else needs to be cheap and young (or an affordable veteran like Boone, Hampton or Erstad). The Astros need to free up some salary room to invest in some mid-level players who can help the lineup, or to provide them with the chance to bid on free agents next Winter.
The player they want to trade is Tejada, who is in the final year of his deal begun with the Orioles. But Lee’s goes on until 2012, Oswalt has a club option for 2012 and Berkman a club option for 2011, so the rest of them are tied up contractually for at least two more years. Besides, Oswalt likes playing for Houston, since it is near his Mississippi home. It isn’t like he is lobbying for a trade—he even offered the GM to restructure his contract and defer salary if it meant the Astros would be able to bid on some key free agents.
ALL have full no-trade clauses, though, so they would have to be on board with being dealt—this means a trade is more likely at the deadline with the Astros circling the drain, rather than before Spring training begins and the Astros have an unbeaten record.
by George Kaplan on Jan 2, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Astros . . .
gave Oswalt a tractor. He’s not going anywhere.
by krush40 on Jan 2, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outfield Log Jam?
Have you looked at our outfield recently?
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 2, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the tractor is pretty funny, newport coast might not be...
a good fit but the stros are going to dump salaries. they won’t get anything for tejada (declining production, roid & age ?’s). oswalt, lee, tejada & berkmann should all be available mid-season.
by thejd on Jan 2, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The City or the Team?
Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.
by PieceOfAase on Jan 2, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. let wolf walk (after trading a prospect for him while in last place)
2. release wiggington (not a star but a solid player who can contribute)
3. off season signings: aaron boone, mike hampton, jason michaels, doug brocall
4. not even close to being involved w/any decent available free agents
5. owner is crying the blues and wants a salary cap
6. owner hasn’t even given his gm a budget for 2009
by thejd on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And unfortunately they still have the crazy idea that they can contend
so there is no way we are prying Lance Berkman, Carlos Lee, or Roy Oswalt from them so those rumors should stop and if they haven’t started yet, they should never start.
by Chzburger Jones on Jan 4, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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