MLB contemplates salary cap
I'm not sure if this is really that big of a surprise considering the NYY offseason and the state of the economy, but I thought it would be interesting to get everyone's take on this.
I have mixed feelings on the topic. Instead of the NYY being in on virtually every free agent, it may open up opportunites to smaller market teams. But, then again, should MLB tell someone how to spend their money?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9080116/Some-baseball-owners-call-for-salary-cap?MSNHPHMA
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i dont think we're allowed to whine about the yankees
when we had a major spending spree of our own in 2004
Not whining....
just representing the fact that the general public, given the press coverage, is more familiar with the Yankee binges than our own (in my opinion). As hauldog indicated below, their payroll is less than it was a year ago.
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Jan 15, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, we did in 2004
The Yankees on the other hand…2008, the entire 1990s, the majority of their history since Steinbrenner took over….think that pretty much outweighs our one or two years of major spending.
That, and a salary cap might help smaller market teams become more competitive in their offers, which in turn might lead to them signing better talent and thus might help them be more competitive overall. That said, I don’t think ThatGuyInNewYork ever planned to go to the Nationals even if they’d offered $400 million…Still, teams such as the Royals, Pirates, and Nationals to name a few are uncompetitive in their divisions at least in part due to their inability to simultaneously develop new talent and sign big free agent talent when necessary. A salary cap might help alleviate that.
In fact, I’d be willing to bet that one of the reasons we’re competitive right now is that we have an owner is both able and willing (Disney, I’d think, was certainly able, just not quite so willing) to open up the wallet. If the Halos weren’t able to compete financially, we probably wouldn’t be where we are…
Light Up That Halo!
No salary cap
For 2 reasons, the 2nd more directly relevant to us.
1) There’s still no salary floor. The Marlins and Royals can keep spending the minimum, while the teams who want to spend wouldn’t be able to.
2) The Angels have the resources to be big spenders and usually are in recent history. We have an advantage for almost every non-Yankee/Red Sox team, why give that up?
by gilbert on Jan 15, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like the salary cap idea
Let’s even the playing field so to speak. But obviously it would have to include a salary floor, as well.
I'm still not over losing Tex.
#1 is the best reason...
This is one thing that Costas got right in his book – Fair Ball – a few years back. He proposed a salary floor 1/2 the salary cap. So the highest payroll would be $140 million and the lowest payroll could be no lower than $70 million.
But, this doesn’t make teams smarter; this will just lead to more signings like Jose Guillen for 3 years and $36 million to meet the requirements of a salary floor.
I like it how it is mainly because smart teams are rewarded and dumb teams are not. Dumb teams eventually have to learn how to do business and build from within or find a player that is under appreciated and get them. When they do have money, they have to spend it wisely.
Leave it as it is…
Jim Scully
its still not fair the way its set up
the NYM and NYY have the whole NY market to themselves because of the anti trust exemption. they have all that money to spend because they lucked out with their market they got. there has to be somekind of cap or it will never give mid to small market teams room to breathe with mistakes. NYY aren’t smart, their just have a huge market to afford to make mistake after mistake without consequences. i would put more teams in the NY market to cannabilize the advantage they have.
Well...
They were smart enough to start their own network, thus increasing revenue.
They were smart enough to develop their own players throughout the 90’s – which led to their run. Jeter, Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Bernie Williams, etc. Yes they had the money to go get great FA’s to fill out the roster, but they have never been shy about building from within.
Also, if you look at their current dry spell, it coincides with Cashman getting pressure from ownership to sign every Tom, Dick and Harry available. Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, and other stiffs while the young guys expected to fill holes haven’t produced or got hurt (Hughes, Cabrera, Cano, Kennedy, etc.)
I agree that small and mid market teams have less room for error – but they can compete. Their ownership or front office is either unwilling or unable to figure out how to do so. That isn’t the fault of the Yankees; that is the fault of the stupid GM’s and lazy owners.
Just my 2 cents.
Jim Scully
They were smart enough to start their own network, thus increasing revenue???
Really?
That’s your position?
I think they did exactly what any owner residing in New York would do. But, it is absolutely not fair to the small market teams. It doesn’t make the New York owners smarter. It only makes them richer and more able to spend their way out of mistakes – a luxury not all teams have. And if not all teams have the advantages then it’s an unfair system.
I'm still not over losing Tex.
YES is worth more than the Yankees. pretty smart IMO
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
I completely agree
But it doesn’t mean we should allow the Yankess to have an ufair payroll advantage because they set up the network.
I'm still not over losing Tex.
YES is the least of your worries now
Say hello to New Yankee Stadium. The first stadium where every revenue stream inside of it is controlled by the team.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
Boo hoo. It is not fair. There has only been one repeat WS winner this decade. Seems fair.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
Exactly...
the system seems to be working fine to me. When the Royals and Pirates get their collective heads out of their asses the system will be even better….
Seriously the late 1990’s Yankee teams were an anomaly. They had money to spend on FA’s and spent wisely. They also happened to have a great wave of prospects mature at the same time.
To a lesser extent, this current Angel team has had the same luck, except they have spent unwisely occasionally…
Jim Scully
Agreed. You hit the nail on the head.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
wait
i don’t think the point is that if you have the most money to spend that you automatically are going to win the WS. its the fact that a team like the NYY can make huge mistakes and not break a sweat because they know that they can just buy another player. even if every team uses its resources wisely it doesn’t garantee them being competitive for a WS.
I thought faith won world series?
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
I have some, mixed with a shot reality
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
Sour grapes
The Yankees payroll is lower than it was a year ago.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on Jan 15, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Second team in Boston
Would be awesome. Of course, then it would become an even bigger focus of the EastCoastBiasMachine…
Light Up That Halo!
We need better polls.
A few of the polls that have been posted on this site lately are pretty hard to answer.
On this one, for instance, my choices were NO, NO, Screw the AL East, or I don’t know.
I think we need a salary cap, but certainly not because I want to screw the AL East.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
geez....
it was just a flawed attempt at humor.
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Jan 15, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
If no salary cap...
…they could increase the luxury tax…which would also nail the overspenders
Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?
No problem.
And sorry if that was too harsh.
It’s just that the last few polls haven’t provided an answer that many would like. One recent poll had a “WTF” response…which was about the only one that would have been even close to what I agreed with…but I didn’t choose it ‘cause it just didn’t make sense. I guess I’m just suggesting that we at least provide all the possible choices.
Sorry again.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
no worries!
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Jan 15, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not so much a salary cap...
but better revenue sharing. Television money should be split among all teams (like football). I realize this would take away a large amount of market value of a team (so unlikely to happen), but why should the Yankees get so much revenue – 100% – from their television rights when the Royals are part of the product being sold.
This might already be happening as more people watch games online, and outside the regional network area. Eventually, as more and more people watch online, games will become “networkless” and become the property of MLB exclusively (and not individual teams) whose revenue gets split evenly.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
Buncha commies
I’d abolish the luxury tax, but give each visiting team 50% of a given broadcast’s slice o’ cash. That would, unlike a salary cap, actually be based on something like sense, instead of unseemly whining and billionaire socialism.
Don't Know If A Cap Is The Answer
I just know that right now it takes an incredible convergence of talent, from the front office down to the field, to field a great team. The Rays are great, but what about in five years, when more players have been given big contracts by teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets? Constant player turnover can hamper team identity, and a constant need to bank on young players breaking out (a la Longoria) because veterans are unaffordable basically creates a weird class system in baseball where teams are on one end or another of a scale, letting teams like the Marlins and Rays develop players while the Red Sox and Yankees buy them once they’ve turned out to be good major leaguers. I’m not sure that’s a system I enjoy in my favorite sport.
No cap. No tax. No fees. No sharing. No nothing.
Not without some mechanism that controls how owners of the small-market teams (which would be the beneficiaries of any such plan) invest their revenue back into their team.
You cannot be telling the Yankees or Red Sox or Cubs that they have to fork over money to Lew Wolff while allowing Wolff to pocket his revenue AND that from other teams instead of using that money to maintain a viable product and a viable game experience for his customers.
Nor can you be telling those same clubs that they are artifically prohibited from plowing their revenues back into their clubs because Wolff chooses not to do the same, and wants to keep the money for himself instead.
Guys like Wolff market their team, in no small part, based on being able to showcase the talent of other teams when they come to town. It is just plain wrong to mandate that those other teams must pay via sharing, or be penalized via artifical contraints, just for the privilege of flying out to Oakland for the weekend and watching Wolff take all that extra revenue from sharing AND the revenue from all those extra seat and concession sales, and stuff it in his personal wallet.
by Stirrups on Jan 15, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
thats the big problem
how to motivate those type of owners into spending the money and not pocket the sharing. i don’t follow soccer that closely, so someone else who does will know better how its done, but in england they punish the worse teams by demoting them to a lower div and promote lower div teams to the top level. that might be something to do. imagine the value of a team from being in the MLB then getting demoted to the AAA.
I would guess that the demotion concept,
although highly intriguing, works best when all upper division and AAA teams are homed within the the same geographical area slighlty smaller than Montana. Demoting that A’s in order to promote the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees would be a bitch for the rest of the AL West.
(Yeah, I know that Sacramento Rivercats beat the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees for the AAA title. But the Rivercats are the AAA affiliate of the A’s and putting the Rivercats into the AL West would mean that the A’s have to play against themselves.)
well i didn't think it out
but since the MLB owners don’t really own the minor league affiliates, then their AAA team can get promoted then sever ties with the MLB club.
Yup, and it's the best part of the football season...
…watching a formerly big team take a nose dive into total obscurity. You know with a few weeks to go, who’s going to win it. But when 3/20 teams are relegated, that’s when the misery/schadenfreude begins.
Look at it this way – we could have relegated the Mariners last year to AAA and been done with their bitching, moaning and self-obsessed number-wanking blogs. Nothing says ‘Adios’ quite as completely as ’you’re not good enough to play us, come back when you’re better… in about 5 years’
On the flip-side, the AAA teams would have to be independent for it to fly…
I see red people
I like laughing at Mariner fan every year
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
most luminous fan of Angel team laugh histerically to many fan of not-so-luminous Mariner fan.
by Downing Rules on Jan 16, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
awesome
is it every year the worse 3 teams get demoted? with a team that gets promoted do they get exemption from getting demoted for a certain time period for them to at least have a chance to get better?
every year bottom 3 get demoted
and no grace period. very often, a team will be up for only a season or two. But the difference of revenue from the second league to the top league is enormous. For example Juventus was relegated because of a cheating scandal, and they lost an estimated 50 million euros because of it. Even the teams that are up only for a little get alot of money and help them build a solid team.
Ive thought about this before but it wouldnt work in the MLB because the AAA teams are made up of prospects, and the MLB teams would not be able to develop players anymore. Unless they loaned them, but also how would the draft work? And if a team is promoted because they have like 10 loaned young good players, when tehy go back to their original teams, you get the 2008 Mariners, and theres not much point of them playing because they suck
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Jan 15, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
cmon
think dammit!!! lol jk.
lets use the Mariners for an example. if they got demoted because of their bad season. best minor league team gets promoted from the NW area. obviously they would lose all prospects that belong to whatever MLB team they are affiliated with. lets say the MLB has money to give as a bonus for getting promoted. let it be enough so this new team can sign some FA. i would say give these promoted teams a 5 yr grace period. instead of having affiliated minor league teams just have the MLB loan out the players like soccer teams do. make the draft universal. no signings. everyone that turns 18 goes into the draft.
i’m not making sense. just throwing out alot of stuff. i have to think some more. lol
Hell, end our no-trade policy with cuba
and each promoted team gets to pick 3 or four players from the team. They have no luxury tax and they get some MLB revenue streams…
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Jan 15, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
relegation
is a great idea in soccer, but i don’t think it would work with minor league affiliates… doesn’t that defeat the purpose of having a minor league team?
replacement level analysis
well some pro soccer teams in europe have minor clubs
to develop talent. But with like 8 or so different levels needed it seems extreme to attempt to implement in MLB
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Jan 15, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
sure.
That’s the same as me contemplating a date with Jennifer Connelly.
Because that isn’t going to happen either.
my argument is simple...
isn’t it way more fun kicking the yankees ass knowing they are the “evil empire” of baseball? let’s keep it that way.
as much as people hate the east coast spenders, they love beating them more.
not to mention baseball has had a more diverse group of champions than any other sport over the last 8 years or so.
i think the issue is over-thought.
“if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
remember, the marlins have more world championships than we do and the rays have been to as many world series as we have.

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