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My Lingering Fear: Ranger Manny Ramirez

I got a little scaredy pants vision for the Halo faithful: Manny Ramirez signing with the Rangers.

No sources, no rumors, just stone cold fear rustling out there beyond where I can see, beyond where you can hear, beyond any smell the hounds can pick up. We know he is out there. We know they are out there. they haven't scared us in a long, long time. But if the two of them meet, out there, in the dead of winter, both of them alone and in need of strength...

Well, it would be a match made in the darkness, and with the Ranger farm system about ready to give birth to cheap major league prospects, well, three whole seasons of Midwife Manny could cramp the L.A. of Anaheim solo style with which we have topped off this division four out of the last five seasons.

I've got all the faith a man needs, but I'm stll afeared of what is still out there and how it could all get together to put out the campfire well before sunrise...

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That would suck major ass.

But I don’t see it happening. He is going to be a Dodger again.

by Chzburger Jones on Jan 18, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Man-Ram in Arlington would be a major downer........

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 18, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

well

they lost bradley, so manny would be essentially replacing what milton was doing last season at a very high level. Mannys definitely better, but they fell very short even in a year where Bradley was more or less amazing. The gap between manny’s averages as he continues to age and what bradley did last year isnt THAT huge. Theyd be better served blowing 20+ million on derek lowe and ben sheets, but thankfully they didnt find that to be a good idea.

but ya, adding manny into a lineup with josh hamilton and chris davis would be pretty ridiculous, but im not sure it would necessarily put them over the top

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 18, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Watch them give him a 10-year, $300 million contract

Allowing the baseball executive world to laugh at how dumb they are for yet another 18 seasons or so.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 18, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

because the baseball executive world laughed a lot at the Yankees giving ARod an even more expensive contract than the one the Rangers did.

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by rangers85 on Jan 19, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Difference

1 team could afford it, the other could not.

I guess I already used my Manny bomb for the month?

by hauldog on Jan 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mmmmm

Based on the numbers, that would be an excellent fit for 2009.

They even have an open spot with Bradley leaving.

But even with him they are going to stink in 2009, plus he will wreck the team within a couple of years.

by elricsi on Jan 19, 2009 12:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not worried

Unless Manny can make 34 starts and pitch 200+ innings in each of the next three seasons, this wouldn’t bother me at all. The Rangers continue to baffle me with their never-ending search for more bats. Josh Hamilton was great last year, but how would Edinson Volquez have looked in their rotation instead of, like, Jason Jennings’ corpse? They didn’t feel like paying Francisco Cordero, so they traded him in for two months of Carlos Lee in a sunken quest for a division title in 2006. Not pulling that trade could have saved them a year of Eric Gagne, but at least they got another bat, David Murphy, for him. And Kason Gabbard, he gave them all of 56 innings last year. They got a couple of bats for Teixeira, and Matt Harrison, who put up a healthy 5.49 ERA in 83 innings last year. He might be good some day, if they don’t give up on him and trade him for another bat.

Let’s think of some other trades that cost them good arms. How about Chris Young down in San Diego? Even though he was injured half of last year, he still pitched more innings than all but three Rangers, with a better ERA+ as well. But after 2005, the Rangers traded him and burgeoning superstar Adrian Gonzalez for Adam fucking Eaton! (It should say something that I can’t even describe that horrendous trade without dropping my January F-bomb). The John Danks-Brandon McCarthy swap worked out really well too. And Michael Hernandez for Armando Galarraga. But hey, at least Thomas Diamond is still a top prospect, right? Oh wait. He’ll be 26 in April, and he’s only pitched 53 (very poor) innings in AA since the end of 2006. Maybe they can get another bat for him.

Seriously, what is this team doing? I mean, I’m grateful that they so graciously take themselves out of contention every year. Their offense is scary. They scored 901 runs last year. There was only one team that scored more: the Rangers’ opponents. If you could have made a team out of them, they would have scored 967 runs! Adding Manny Ramirez on top wouldn’t frighten me in and of itself. If they could get him and some arms, I’d be terrified, but I haven’t seen them doing any of that this off-season. Maybe they’ll get Sheets. Maybe a couple of kids will have breakout years. But they didn’t look anywhere near to a competent pitching staff last year. 967 runs is a long way from competitive. But watch out for Derrick Turnbow next year.

by Suboptimal on Jan 19, 2009 12:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

it must be a Texas offense thing...

Same thing with the Mavericks in the NBA.

game time!

by haloforlife on Jan 19, 2009 5:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So many things wrong with your logic.

Where do I start? First off, let me calm Rev’s nerves – you won’t have to worry about us signing Manny…very doubtful that happens. Mostly because of the money. And while he’s an upgrade over Hank, we still have Blalock pencilled in at DH until we (hopefully) trade him to Minnesota or San Fran. So Milton’s departure that others have mentioned opening the DH door isn’t really all that accurate. Second, Carlos Lee was not the jewel of that Cordero trade. Nor was Nelson Cruz, who still has one final chance to make an impact. It was the draft picks we picked up in return. The Gagne signing was outstanding, and led to not Murph or Gabbard, but Engel Beltre as the centerpiece of that trade – look him up http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/18/697246/engel-beltre.

Harrison’s going to be a decent starter for us, maybe as high as a # 3, but you sure missed the main parts of that trade: Elvis Andrus (BA’s # 19 prospect in 2008 – with at least 11 of those ahead of him currently off that list for 2009), Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Neftali Feliz – who in case you didn’t know, has the best fastball in the minor leagues – are all better bets to have an impact on this team, and that’s not saying that Harrison won’t be a good starter. Either way, those four will be major cogs for this team starting in 2009, and sticking around for a good while.

We’re done crying about the past…I give the Angels 2009, and if Vlad and Torii don’t start falling apart, maybe even 2010, because you have a beautiful rotation – but something tells me you’re going to miss K-rod, and you will be stung by losing out on re-signing Teixeira or failing to pick up another impact bat. Look out for Derek Holland and Feliz to make a major splash at some point this year, a revived bullpen, improved defense and an even more opportunistic but equally lethal offense in 2009 with catchers that can actually hit, and a steady run of true pitching prospects in the future.

Best of luck

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by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not likely

For 2007 and 2008 payroll went way down from 2005 and 2006. 07/08 saw a steady 67/68 million payroll. Sure there has been a decrease with the loss of a player, however, there is an increase in Young’s salary by 5.5 million, Millwood’s salary jumps by 2.5 million and Padilla’s salary is up by a million. Then other player’s salaries are taken into account. the economy, the run differential with the Angels and logically there’s not going to be a Manny in the right wing heartland of America.

by Kristy_Joe on Jan 19, 2009 1:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Offense is nice

But without pitching, you are nothing. Just ask the 2008 Yankees.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jan 19, 2009 1:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Of course,

They can rectify it with money, few else can.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jan 19, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball America Rankings

I believe Baseball America has rated the Texas and Oakland minor league systems in the top 5 in all of baseball for 2009. I think Texas is #1 overall and Oakland is #2.

In terms of developing young talent, the AL West is looking to be very competitive for the next 3-5 years.

As for Texas specifically, they seem to have some good pitching talent on the farm currently. Although we all know that does not guarantee success at the ML levels, it’s a helluva lot better than the alternative. Here’s the Texas top ten:

1. Neftali Feliz, rhp
2. Derek Holland, lhp
3. Justin Smoak, 1b
4. Elvis Andrus, ss
5. Martin Perez, lhp
6. Taylor Teagarden, c
7. Engel Beltre, of
8. Michael Main, rhp
9. Julio Borbon, of
10. Max Ramirez, c/1b

by mustard_man on Jan 19, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This doesn't scare me at all

I will be afraid when these guys find out that pitching and defense is more valuable. When they start signing FA pitchers like C.C. or Burnett, or even trading some offense for a starter like Peavy.

Throwing money at Manny would be a good thing for us the more I think about it.

by Wytelitning on Jan 19, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

whenever will they find out defense is important

i can’t think of any major headline stories in the last week or so about something like that.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jan 19, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let Manny sign with Texas

Maybe that would prompt the Angels to actually go out and get a big bat. I’d be all for that.

I'm still not over losing Tex.

by 10 27 02 on Jan 19, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not to worry

Man-Ram does NOT want to play 81 games in 90 degree, 90% humidity weather

by SocalAngelFaninOC on Jan 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He'll follow the money

Manny will play wherever he can get the biggest payday. Plus, there’s no state income tax in Texas……the heat won’t scare him off.

by mustard_man on Jan 19, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The team's Achilles Heel will always be pitching

Damned by geography, cursed by meteorology, fucked by the Tejas heat. What star pitcher worth their salt would ever pitch in that microwave?

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by PieceOfAase on Jan 19, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

don't think tom hicks will give big bucks...

to a boras clent after arod and millwood (19-23, era +5.00 last two seasons).

by thejd on Jan 19, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Probably right

Although that’s not the primary reason Manny is unlikely to end up in Arlington. If you are watching (and I doubt it makes actual news over there) the questions on additions to payroll are more centered on Ben Sheets (RHP with injury questions) and possibly either Chad Cordero or bring Guardado back in the pen. Andrus is penciled in at SS, Young moves to 3B, and JD is trying to get Omar Visquel (mentor Andrus and/or improve infield defense in general). The pitchers who have attracted so much attention are both probably still a year away (Feliz and Holland), but are very very good (best I’ve seen in many years in the minors). Don’t know for sure he can do so, but Nelson Cruz is penciled in the 4 hole and RF. He is a product of the Milwaukee deal. Changed his approach at the end of 2007 and has (small sample + AAA + Dominican Winter League) destroyed pitchers, includin those MLB pitchers who went to the DWL this winter. He, Hamilton, and Davis do offer quite a bit of power.

Looking forward to the 2009 season – but I don’t think Manny will be wearing Ranger laundry.

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by Ed Coffin on Jan 19, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This would not please me.

I guess I already used my Manny bomb for the month?

by hauldog on Jan 19, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My vote...markdown time 60% off

All the leftover sluggers will wind up on the Nationals since the owner (Lerner) made his money in shmates (retail business where items are marked down to rock bottom at wholesale level and sold at retail).

by Kristy_Joe on Jan 19, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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