Maybe The Halos Can Shed GMJ!
For once, I'm hoping that the Angels will follow the Dodgers' lead and release GMJ.
We've all thought that releasing GMJ was unrealistic but they did release Kevin Appier, didn't they? As I recall, they owed about the same to Appier as the Dodgers do now to Andruw Jones.
Come on, Reagins, dump his ass and improve the club! Where there's a will, there's a way, as they say! You can do it.
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.
0 recs |
53 comments
Comments
What The Hell?
I messed up the link…The Dodgers are releasing Andruw Jones.
Link to Dodgers’ move here.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust that article.....
Towards the bottom it says the Angels are interested in Manny again……Smacks of Boras lies to me.
by alcor805 on Jan 3, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is a couple of things
Boras needs friction to generate heat, so he will float tales of interest in his clients to get the other teams to up their bids. Think the Dodgers aren’t concerned that the Giants are allegedly offering 3yrs plus option for Manny? Boras certainly wouldn’t be above trying to pit Moreno against McCourt to drive up the bids as well. Which LA team will grab the headlines by signing Manny—this is the sort of question which causes the Cubs and White Sox, Yankees and Mets, and Giants and As to make sure the other team doesn’t get more media coverage.
As for the Angels, I suppose this is like a guy who is tempted to date a woman he knows will hurt him and take all his money in the end, but she’s so damn cute… Intellectually, the Angels know what Manny would mean to their offense, especially with the DH slot to place him in so that he causes minimal damage to the defense, a luxury not possible with Papi on the roster in Boston.
But the negatives have already been cataloged—I think Manny has poisoned the well with his antics in Boston last year, the salary would bend the salary expectations of Lackey and Vlad for their own deals, and the well-covered glut of OF candidates would place an insane amount of payroll in the OF/DH category.
by George Kaplan on Jan 3, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"So damn cute"????
I’d say more like a “Vegas 10”!
by matt92130 on Jan 5, 2009 6:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he looks good
but you know you’re getting some kind of disease at the end of it?
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seems like if this were to happen, itd be next offseason
i think theyre gonna give the guy one more shot with healthy legs to see if he can contribute.
If he repeats 2008, all bets are off. They could and should try to buy him out
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 2, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think this is what they’ll do. More likely, if he fails to perform in 2009, they’ll trade him for a minor prospect or two to whichever team will take him (maybe the Pirates would like a shiny new CF?). Gary’s career, sadly, would then probably be done after 2010 or so.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Jan 2, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they won't do it
too much pride.
but i do agree that it should be done.. one reason not to overlook is the fact that Jones wanted to play somewhere else – he said he wanted out of LA. this just makes it easier for him to leave.
i haven’t heard GMJ say he wants out of Anaheim
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Jan 2, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not that it is the slightest bit scientific, but...
as of this post, 65% of those responding (17 out of 26) recommend keeping GMJ and seeing how his healed knee allows him to play.
I guess there isn’t the groundswell of support for getting rid of him.
by George Kaplan on Jan 2, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the better time to ask is June...
when everyone remembers how awful he is.
But, who knows, maybe the knee has been holding him back and he’ll have a strong 2009. We can only hope.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that's the case, yes
2006 was a career year for GMJ, yes, but when you combine those numbers with the great numbers and defense GMJ put up throughout 2007, prior to when he injured his knee, it seems pretty clear that he’s capable of that level of performance.
At this point, though, age may have set in anyway and it might be that even a fully healthy knee won’t help.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Jan 2, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well its not a question if we think he's good
its a question of getting ANYTHING out of the money being spent. If we buy him out, you’ll have Reggie Willits spelling guys on days off and if Rivera, Vlad, or Torii went down, Willits would be in the lineup everyday.
He makes starters money, but Matthews is a great insurance policy to have on the bench. Buying him out would being essentially throwing away money to have an inferior player take his place.
Think of the production removed from the contract. Coming off the bench, a guy who can play good defense at all 3 positions and possibly draw a walk or get a hit is not a bad thing to have.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 2, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Issue
I think it’s more of an issue of cut him and pay him $10 mil when we can hold onto him and see what he can give us. It’s a 100% chance of getting zero production if you cut him, yet you’re still paying him his full salary. He’s not taking a restructured contract like Andruw Jones.
by Sethy on Jan 2, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're correct, but...
keep in mind Andruw Jones is getting his full 2009 salary in the restructured deal. The only difference is that some of it is deferred, so that McCourt has some payroll money freed up now to use on another player. In no way is Jones getting less than every dollar in his contract; there is no way the Players Association would allow that to happen.
But you’re 100% correct that it is better to hope for production from GMJ in 2009, rather than DFA-ing him and paying the remaining $33M on his contract while he signs a minimum salary deal with another team.
by George Kaplan on Jan 2, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great, maybe we can sign Andruw Jones now....
for a Vet’s minimum. There’s a lot of OFs on the market, so I think he can be had cheap. I know it sounds really, really stupid……but for a Vet’s minimum, he still would be an upgrade over Willits, even now. In Angels tradition, we can overload the OF again. Maybe he could return to some sort of form……………..I know, just dreaming.
I love LAC.
by oasisman on Jan 2, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Releasing would be a waste.
Yes, his contract is ridiculous. But, before we declare it a sunk cost, check out his production against left-handers. Last year, he hit .285/.359/.415.
Granted this is not great production, but it is about what GA provided. Why not keep GMJ as a 4th outfielder who only plays against LHPs? Otherwise, we’d be paying him to play for some other team who can figure out how best to use him.
by snowhor on Jan 2, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GA OB = poop
I only wish GA could’ve posted a .359 OB.
by Sethy on Jan 2, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA just might produce a .359 OBP...
if he only faced favorable matchups, just like Matthews wouldn’t sniff .359 if you let him play with any regularity.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what would those be?
GA had a higher OB vs L in ’08 (.333) compared to righties (.323).
by Sethy on Jan 2, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'08 was the first year in which Scioscia
was willing to sit GA against certain lefties, whereas he played him against nearly all righties.
The point being that favorable matchups can often make hitters seem better than they are (see Adam Kennedy’s 2005).
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 2, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
Is that GA would do that simply if he wasn’t so lazy.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Jan 3, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ba Da Bing.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, thank you
I’ll be here all night folks! Try the cut fastball, I hear it’s nasty!
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Jan 3, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem with this
is that all of our other outfielders already hit right-handed. What we need is a lefty swinging righty-killer. GMJr= Still useless.
by dmhead on Jan 3, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I’m not defending him being on the team and certainly never will. I hated the signing from the beginning. What I am saying is that releasing him provides no value, whereas, making him the world’s highest paid right-handed pinch hitter/defensive replacement at least gets something back for what we are required to pay him.
by snowhor on Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And after Arte releases GMJ and eats his contract, then maybe GMJ
can travel down to Zihuatanejo and meet up with Stoneman on the beach as he’s rebuilding his boat, then they can hug and then the credits roll.
Thank you, Stoneman, for rolling the dice on the journeyman, one-year wonder Matthews. Must’ve been one eerie night at the crossroads in Mississippi when GMJ sold his soul.
Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.
by PieceOfAase on Jan 2, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, 2 great movie ref's in one post
Sweet pieceofaase.
Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!
by Rally Manatee on Jan 3, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would've included a third reference
but Bill Stoneman would’ve made a horrible Linda Lovelace and GMJ a most “limp” Harry Reems.
Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.
by PieceOfAase on Jan 3, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the end of you GMJ
I’m pretty sure he is useless, but not positive. Since we owe so much and only have a year to go before we can exile him to the NL, I like him for 2009 as a 4th OF.
Counting on him to be a good starting OF is a mistake.
by elricsi on Jan 2, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GMJ has been bad.
But not as extremely ridiculously epic fail as Andruw Jones so I don’t think his contract is going to get re-negotiated anytime soon.
by Chzburger Jones on Jan 2, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seems like the Angels' outfield could be
getting even more crowded?
These guys are linking to an MLB article claiming that the Angels are interested in Manny Ramirez again.
WTF?
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
pure speculation
theyre referencing SI.com’s John Heyman and Tom Verducci. Both on the MLB network said “they wouldnt be surprised if the Angels decided to get back in it” because they need the offense. They were just speculating, no base to it.
dont get your hopes up
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 3, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the MLB Network is already spreading rumors?
Damn, I’ve got to start watching that.
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 3, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha seriously
Its just funny what warrants a “circulating rumor” or whatever MLB.com called it. Its basically tabloid journalism.
Peter Gammons saying the Red Sox/Hanley Ramirez talks lasted about 20 seconds also shows how little it takes for a news outlet to go ahead with a major story to get you to read.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 3, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know the best thing about
this whole GMJ thing is. We all knew his offense was nothing special, but his defense was supposed to help us out. And his defense was just as bad as his offense. Yea his knee is jacked up but you do not catch a ball with your knees, especially when it is hit right at you. The dude is terrible and I feel bad for him but he has gots to go.
Give the young guns a chance...if they suck wellll...
by angelskid2210 on Jan 3, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
well, if nothing else he's probably convinced Arte to stay away from mediocre free agents
which explains our current position of going with our young guys.
Gary Matthews is a prime example of wasting money on a player one of our own farm hands could probably hold down with comparable production or at the very least, more cost-efficiency.
Block promising prospects for the right guys, not the mediocre ones.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 3, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even worse, we haven't had an outfield prospect since Darin Erstad, and still don't now
by mattwelch on Jan 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Borjous?
i hear they’re pretty high on him
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Jan 3, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we're still an 85 win team....
…without the addition of a slugger
by mustard_man on Jan 3, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
doom and gloom
you guys have too much time on your hands. lol. relax even without a bat were as good or going to better then last season if everyone stays healthy.
reasoning:Vlad will be healthy for the first time in a couple of seasons. Howie stays healthy. the rooks have solid seasons. JR finally getting a chance to play everyday and not worrying about platooning. Pitching will be as a good or better also.
by HALO_86 on Jan 3, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will take a LOT to have the pitching be as good
Santana had a career year, Saunders doesn’t strike anybody out (always a shaky sign for the future), Garland is gone, and the Moseley/Adenhart combo was brutal. I expect Weaver to be better, and hopefully Lackey will be healthy all year, but 100-win teams and 73-win rotations don’t grow on trees.
by mattwelch on Jan 3, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pitching
your right that Santana had a career yr last yr but i don’t think thats his ceiling. as he matures i feel that he’s going to get better. he potentially has ace quality arm. Healthy Lackey. Saunders i think will go down lil this yr. Weaver i think will have a good solid yr. of course the #5 will be a ?. with our pen being as good or better then last yr we still have a good chance at winning in the mid 90ish.
by HALO_86 on Jan 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Health is the key!
Santana is underrated and will continue to blossom! He may be our #1 starter as soon as this season!
What I really don’t understand is what it is about Saunders that gets everyone’s ire…all the guy does is WIN! He is a keeper and a solid #2 or 3.
Lackey has a contract year to work on so I expect him to be at his best this season!
IF there is someone to worry about it is WTY, cuz his career sure looks like WTE’s to this point! And we all know it went downhill fast!
- starter…personally I would go offer Judy a contract similar to Fuentes with incentives, but I staunchly believe that one of our young guns will step up!
Kotch and Marek for Teixeira...hmmm, what a deal! Or NOT!
by K3YEROUT on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure where that formatting came from…must not have liked the pound sign eh?
should have read…“Number 5 starter…personally…”
Kotch and Marek for Teixeira...hmmm, what a deal! Or NOT!
by K3YEROUT on Jan 5, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your reasoning
is based on way too many uncertainties.
by Chzburger Jones on Jan 3, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's young and fast, but .295 with 9 HRs & 19 BBs in a hitter's league ain't much
by mattwelch on Jan 3, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty much a non-prospect, really.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Jan 3, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disputing either of your opinions.
However, due to his base stealing ability and his age, I give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt regarding possibly being the next Figgins.
by wumbug on Jan 5, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry Evans could outplay GMJ right now.
Of course, he was hurt last year – but he could at least put up .250/.300/.350 which is about what GMJ is good for.
BTW, Evans is NO prospect just organizational filler at this point.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Jan 3, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was the HGH
Pure speculation – but he sure put up good numbers around the time he allegedly knew HGH…
by mustard_man on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all agree about GMJ
But I see a ray of hope.
I know it was only Spring Training, but the guy was hitting close to .500 when he hurt an ankle going into the start of last season. He was by a wide margin our best hitter in the Cactus league, and looked like he was going to be an invaluable part of our every day lineup.
He is out with knee surgery. There is no need for him to rush back. Let him get fully healthy and bring him back after an extended spring training and a stint at AAA to make sure he is 100%. He’ll be around the big club in mid-late June/early July, ready to contribute.
If he is still horrible – do what you have to to get him off of the roster.
If you don't remember when there weren't rocks in center field, you might not be a real Angels fan.
by Jagsnoot on Jan 5, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

by 























