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Rev Halofan
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if i didn't live 3000 miles away from angel stadium i'd buy
as many as possible.
one point of advice: if you live close enough to get season tix, do it. some of us would kill to have that opportunity. i will buy from one of you when i get down there this summer…
man i wish i could be in on this…
Just work the games....
you can go where you want, and make money too!
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
This is also a factor of the loss in the ALDS last year
A lot of fans lost interest after losing yet again to the BoSox. I believe you posted something about this right after that series Rev.
This is a combination of a bad economy and fair weather fans moving on to something more shiny.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Price Increases
They raised the prices this year (again). This is all on the Angels, instead of rewarding season ticket holders for their loyalty, they kept raising prices and decreasing perks and now that the economy is worsening they are seeing the downside.
by HungryHunter on Jan 24, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if the fans want the payroll, the fans have to do their part
this isnt arte moreno’s charity case for the OC. The guy wants to win and fans got used to it. Everyone demands we sign this free agent and this one and do this and that and then doesnt get why ticket prices are raised?
Ya, the ticket prices suck but thats what comes with the territory. At least our team is somewhat worth it (if any sports team really is)…..the Knicks are pricey as hell and theyre garbage
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
“waaah, waaaah … we ONLY get to the first round every year … waaah, waaah”
by Downing Rules on Jan 24, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed
the GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SIGN that was on Mervyn’s last month is now on Circuit City. The same yellow sign was also on linens and Things. It is the sign of the liquidator.
Now, you know, it may seem penny wise pound foolish to let Frankie go over a few shekels, or not negotiate a new contract with Lackey, or blowing smoke and saying that you’ve gone after Teix when in fact you never had intention of bidding competitively.
Now, the farm system is rated 26th, Oakland #3 and Texas #1(is it Baseball America?), the fan base is shrinking, the players are not being replaced and maybe the team will play .500 ball this year?
So you still are raising prices!!!!
Calm down
Minus Teix and GA, the Halos will field the same team this year as they did last year. Even before Teix, and with GA hitting .222 before finally turning it on, the Angels had the best record in baseball. GA turning it on and Teix coming in later were fantastic additions, but their departure does not spell doom for the Angels.
On July 1, with the Halos in the #1 spot overall, and Arte having come to his senses and lowered prices to where they were, the fans will come surging back.
Light Up That Halo!
Why...
are you telling me to calm down? The team needs overall mentality that it can obliterate any of its foes. I’m certain the Yankees will have that this year and the Red Sox have always played that way. Will the Angels play that way? I doubt it and here’s why.
Now, the Angels feel it necessary to drag one of their stars, Ervin Santana, into the courtroom and tell him why he’s not worth the 4 million, or so, he’s asked for; that is after they cut his pay by $5,000. So he had a bad year in 2007.
Then there’s the 30+ crowd. Lackey and Vlad. Why no talk of an extension? Because it’s become a fad to management to let the 30+ guys be smoked out till they give into a 1 year deal.
But Lackey will get A.J. Burnett money and the Angels are not comfortable with that otherwise they would have signed A.J. Burnett. And Vlad, he’ll be hitting ‘em till he’s 40 or more.
So let’s sum it up. Ninja was head of player development, now ranked 26th by Baseball America. Ownership is fighting with the up and coming superstar over his pride and a few hundred thousand dollars. Ownership has not renewed Lackey or Vlad. Frankie and G.A. are gone.
So will Mike motivate the players to win and beat the other teams with a vengeance? No. It will be the same field general, using the troops given to him. Well this division will have a suckfest this year. The team finishing above .500 will probably win.
While I am in the boat of “as is, it could be a really good season” I cannot help but understand all of your complaints.
by Downing Rules on Jan 25, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
please stop supporting the angels
i cant stand “fans” like this
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 25, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
bottle cork y'aal
some “fans” oscillate in reverse. They try and blow the bad air out. And it sure does stink.
when you go to the ball park does every fan sit there like a moron as if in Church?
Moreno has deep pockets. Unlike Texas, who hired Nolan Ryan as president, the team hired some financial guy. That was great when it was time to build a financial brand for the Angels. But how can that help now during the recession? Any moron with Quickbooks can balance a check book.
So this has nothing to do with attitude. BTW, if you’d like to come over I could hit you over the head with my Harvey little league bats. I’ve also lived in the OC for 50 years.
The flaw in your logic:
Moreno has deep pockets = guarantee that spending lots of money will deliver a championship.
the farm being ranked 26th? Gosh, how many cheap homegrown players do we have on the MAJOR LEAGUE squad? I lost count, but all the bandwagon fans can do is whine about losing Jock Teixsniffah and blame Arte for not flushing money down the toilet.
guarantee
Want to come to my funeral? Now there’s a guaranteed event.
As to Teix, well taking the Kotch gamble failed and now the dice rolls with Morales. Does that give the team a 3-4 punch that it had with Vlad and Teix? Please. Forget the plunger, call Roto-Rooter.
As to the homegrown, they haven’t all budded into lustrous colors. The infield has Howie, who keeps losing it, before he shows it. The others are just that, either TBD or just average players.
The pitching is superb, but not signing Lackey to that extension is awful. It’s as bad as dragging Ervin into the arb court to argue and say how bad he was.
The outfield still has limited power bats.
Anyway, I’ll still watch every game and pass out during the game where Physioc is the announcer. But I will see most of the games.
I’m gonna be in Mesa all spring, no guarantee. But, when I first saw Howie hit it was in Tucson at a Rockies game 3 or 4 years ago and he got 2 hits…and he’s still my favorite Angel.
What team are yu watching?
Sorry about your team where your owner MADE Teix leave. My team got jilted by a Boras client with a wife in search of pinstripes.
Sorry about your team that didn’t sign Lackey to an extension – My team did, in fact sign Lackey to an extension – 2009 is the 3rd year of that extension.
Sorry about your average players. My team’s farm system developed Mike Napoli, Howe Kendrick, Erick Aybar and Kendry Morales and Brandon Wood – Hey lookie there, a complete infield for $4 Million bucks this season and all of them young with more upside.
Sorry your team lost Casey Kotchman for Teix and was left with nothing. My team has the Yankees first round draft pick and a supplemental round pick, plus Kendry Morales with nothing left to prove is no longer blocked.
Sorry about your limited power bats in the oufield – Viva Vlad JR and Torii!
by Rev Halofan on Jan 25, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
As my friend Cleve says
bull…What have you done for me lately? Not what did you do.
Teix had no offer from the Angels except the fixed price. It was as good as no offer and had nothing to do with Mrs. Teix.
There has been no negotiations with Lackey, at least no public notice. So it feels like this could be it and Lackey may be a high priced free agent at the end of the year. One has to ask why not bother to negotiate?
Regardless how you feel about the tremendous value of the $4 million dollar infield, it still does not have a power bat at the corners, a second baseman or SS that can have 500 – 600 ABs. Maybe Morales and Wood will come around. Maybe they’ll get a chance to play. Maybe.
And so what? Does it really buy you a bring it on mentality from the players who are dealing with management they can not seem to satisfy? That’s why the Ervin arbitration is so disturbing. After all, Ervin was only making 440K. When his number was called for a raise to 3 – 4 million management was all over it. So there should be no sympathy for see what I got for minimum,(my whole infield is 3 – 4 million bfd) because in the end its like the reserve clause in baseball all over again.
Players do have rights!
Seriously, dude
The Ervin situation is simply how the arbitration process works.
In fact, there’s a word for it: Negotiation. Ervin asks for higher than he thinks he’ll get. The Angels offer lower than they think they’ll get. The two parties settle in the middle, where both are satisfied.
I seriously doubt this is a F-U from the Angels to Santana.
P.S. Ervin’s 2008 was fantastic, but his 2006 was shaky at best and his 2007 was a near-complete bomb. Don’t be surprised if baseball execs want to see something at least approaching 2008 in 2009 before they give him a gigantic pay-raise.
Light Up That Halo!
i think you should donate roughly 100 million dollars to arte moreno
so we can get everything that makes you happy. Clearly wins arent what youre looking for.
You’ll want all the big power bats next offseason and then complain when our team’s worse because of it down the road.
Its the Teixeira trade redux: We take the gamble of acquiring a big bat and deal with its consequences after. Sign a Matt Holliday and the consequences are possibly even worse because the contract FORCES you to play him when hes not effective anymore. At least after Tex left we have a 25 year old Cuban with upside making pennies to replace him AND draft picks.
Call me crazy, but I like the odds of being in the post season every year vs. being particularly strong in 1 year and risking not being good enough to make it the years after
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 25, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
my point which was not included being:
our front office knows what theyre doing. Let them continue to do it in peace
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 25, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
it's not that
ask a c.i.a. ,k.g.b. or mosad agent about their business and while they won’t tell you how they could drop a canister of nerve gas on a town and walk away without thinking about what they’d done; so too it’s possible for some professional sports teams to have that type of a group mentality. Win at all costs.
While the Yankees think they can possibly buy their way onto a championship, it’s clear that somehow the Red Sox seem to have this group mentality that rises above that of the single athlete. Perhaps that’s why the Red Sox will spend $5 million a year to bring back that crappy catcher, the captain Varitek. Can you honestly compare Varitek and Napoli and say Napoli is only worth $2 million? So there’s more to it than the stats.
We saw it with the 2002 Angels. We saw it in Jeff Kent’s face in 2002.
I’ve gotta get more optimistic. It’s the damn winter and lack of good news Anything. Even something about Escobar. What days are the pitchers reporting? Is it February 13th?
I think you are in denial
about the depth of your crush on Teixeira that has torn you from being a true Angel fan.
On the next Doctor Phil…
by Rev Halofan on Jan 26, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
what?
i’m hearing blah blah blah. jk
theres nothing wrong with going to arb with Santana. alot of players have gone through it. even players better then Ervin if you can belive that. he sucked in 07. i don’t think he offered to give back his salary that year. isn’t arb based off of the last 2 seasons???
why would we have signed AJ? i don’t know how serious the Angels were with CC but if we were serious about CC then spending money on the right player isn’t a prob.
i don’t think anyone would resign Vlad until we see him in game situations.
farm systems don’t stay on top forever.
the farm
The teams that have the “best farms” on all these lists are the Rangers, the A’s, the Orioles, the Rays, the Giants etc etc.
These are teams that have been getting top 5 draft picks for the past 5 years where its pretty hard for prospects not to be pretty awesome. As such, they have great prospects right now.
BECAUSE THEY SUCKED. Did you notice, with the exception of the surprising Rays, that no great teams were up there, because they dont get the high draft picks and because they may use the prospects they have to make their big league team great.
We have Ervin, Weaver, Arredondo Howie, Aybar, Morales, Wood, Saunders, Napoli and Mathis all up here making dirt. Do we need any hot AAA prospects right now? We have all our great young guys in A and AAA right now, which isnt a bad thing because theyre still 2 years away, ready to step in when we lose one of the guys listed above.
What Im saying is we dont NEED the best farm right now because we basically just emptied out the bank the past 2 years. If our farm isnt top 15 in 2010 or 2011, then we can worry. Until then, we’re set at most of our positions for the forseeable future
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 25, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Look at the Nationals…they’ve made news twice in the last week once for some really cheap ticket offerings and now today I’ve heard they are offering to allow fans to purchase tickets on a payment plan. That’s thinking quickly and smartly to combat this recession and keep people coming to the park.
by Downing Rules on Jan 24, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
they need all the help they can get too.
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 24, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
OC, DC not socioeconomic parallels
nor are the angels and nationals. people in washington have no reason to spend what money they have on the nationals this year. The Angels at least have reason to believe they can still draw despite the economy
Sure, we here who are very informed on the team know this isnt the sexiest roster theyve put together recently…but they also know that the die hard fans who care enough to know this are the same people who will be there no matter what. They also know that the casual fans still see Vlad and Lackey and Torii Hunter and Santana and Figgins etc etc etc. and that casual fans dont care enough to be alienated by playoff losses.
So in theory, the Angels are simply banking on the assumption that the die hards still care about the angels despite the probability that we’ll be worse this year. And we will
And theyre banking on the assumption that casual fans who only recognize the stars will still recognize Vlad et al. and still see Angel stadium as a fun place to go hang out for a night and not pay attention to the game.
So really, theres not enough there YET for the angels to back off on ticket prices.
Theyll probably be proven wrong this year, but until they see that they cant keep making money by raising tickets, theyll keep doing it.
damnit, i was positive i did that as a reply to Downing Rules' post
my bad!
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
you did
but norcali finished his whilst you were still typing, so you dropped down in the queue
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Jan 25, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I understand...
but I was just showing what one team has done to combat the economic woes. Sounds like a few feathers are ruffled here on the increase. I agree with you, not enough panic to slash or get creative with the payment plans, HOWEVER, I am starting to think that an increase at this point in time was inappropriate.
I cut my tickets off, not because of an increase in prices, I simply need to scale back on expenses. HELOC funds and refinancing for the 100th time have not been options this year to allow me to afford my luxurious season seats.
by Downing Rules on Jan 25, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I could never make sense out of season tix
Because my experience with friends who own them is that they basically give away or throw away (because they didn’t sell on Ticket Exchange ) 20% of their tix. Even I couldnt go to a lot of games for which I was offered tix.
I watch almost every game that is televised and go to about 8 games a year, which costs me about $150 per game for 3 tix, and we get to sit in different seats to watch different players each time, etc., AND, I get to see the opposing teams I want to see instead of being forced to watch the Pirates, for example.
I know a lot of season holders sell their tix to the LAD, SOX, and NYY series to recover a good deal of cash, but that makes going to those games even worse for the Angels fans because of the obnoxiousness of it all.
So, at the end of the day, I can’t disagree with those of you who DO own the Season tix being miffed at the price increase because that just basically means more $ down the drain.
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Jan 25, 2009 9:02 AM PST reply actions
Except
You blew your wad at the beginning and then recovered enough to go to Chuck E Cheese every so often.
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