Adam Dunn and the numbers
With Pat Burrell signing with the Rays for $8 million a year, discussion is picking up about the other big bats left on the market. Some people would like to see Adam Dunn with the Angels as full-time DH. I want to offer my justification for why Dunn actually does not make sense for this team. I do a lot of math for a living, so I can't avoid explaining myself with numbers. If you're not interested in the details, just skip to the last few paragraphs.

Note: This is not intended as a promotion of Moneyball as an organizational philosophy. According to Fangraphs, the "Mathletics" came out $21 million ahead in value last year, and the Angels were $46 million in debt, but in the standings, the Angels finished 24 1/2 games ahead. My point is that if you like Adam Dunn because of his sabermetric qualities (ISO, OBP, K/BB), you have to use sabermetrics to look at the whole picture.
If the roster doesn't change at all, here is a simplified projection of playing time at third base, left, and right:
LF: 50% Rivera, 50% Figgins
RF: 50% Guerrero, 50% Figgins
3B: 100% Wood
DH: 50% Rivera, 50% Guerrero
According to career statistics on Baseball Prospectus, this is about how I'd expect these players to do in the field:
Rivera: (14 FRAR in LF) * 50%= 7 FRAR
Guerrero: (4 FRAR in RF) * 50% = 2 FRAR
Figgins: (14 FRAR in LF) * 50% + (10 FRAR in RF) * 50% = 12 FRAR
Wood: (22 FRAR at 3B) * 100% = 22 FRAR
This adds up to 43 FRAR. At the plate, I'll assume:
Guerrero: 60 BRAR
Rivera: 30 BRAR
Figgins: 25 BRAR
Wood: 0 BRAR? 20 BRAR? 40 BRAR?
Just how well Brandon Wood will do is anyone's guess, I'll call it w. Adding it up, I get (115 + w) BRAR. Adding the offensive and defensive contributions gives (158 + w) RAR for a team without Dunn.
I'm going to suppose, like others have suggested, that the Angels would use Dunn as a full-time DH to compensate for his horrific defense. Now the playing time breaks up like this:
LF: 100% Rivera
RF: 100% Guerrero
3B: 100% Figgins
DH: 100% Dunn
I'll use the same assumptions for fielding performance (Figgins has been a slightly below average 3B in his career), which have to be adjusted for different playing times:
Rivera: (14 FRAR in LF) * 100% = 14 FRAR
Guerrero: (4 FRAR in RF) * 100% = 4 FRAR
Figgins: (17 FRAR at 3B) * 100% = 17 FRAR
The total is 35 FRAR. Now for the offensive numbers:
Guerrero: 60 BRAR
Rivera: 30 BRAR
Figgins: 25 BRAR
Dunn: 35 BRAR
This assumes that Dunn repeats his performance last year. This adds up to 150 BRAR, and the total of both offensive and defensive contributions is 185 RAR. The amount of production that Dunn adds to the team is:
185 RAR - (158 + w) RAR = (27 - w) RAR
The general rule is that 10 extra runs equals 1 marginal win, and 1 marginal win is worth $5 million to a franchise. Adam Dunn's total worth to the Angels would be:
(27 - w) RAR * (1 win/10 RAR) * ($5 million/1 win) = $(13.5 - w/2) million
Actually, it's about $450,000 less than that, because I'm assuming that Wood stays on the roster as a backup even if the Angels sign Dunn.
For fun, I'll make this more complicated. Scioscia likes to cycle Guerrero in and out of the DH spot because of his injury risk. I'll suppose that for every game Guerrero spends in the outfield, there's a 0.1% chance he sustains a season-ending injury. This means there's an 15% chance he gets hurt for some period of time if he plays 162 games in the outfield, and an 8% chance if he plays 81 games--believable numbers to me. If Vlad goes down, GMJ plays right field, who I will (very generously) say is an average hitter and average defender. That's a loss of 40 BRAR and a gain of 10 FRAR, so it's a 30 run hit in total: the equivalent of $92,500 per game in value. Adding up all of the risks (I'm skipping the math) means that playing Vlad as a full-time outfielder carries about $900,000 in risk. The price of the risk comes off of Dunn's salary. Rounding it off, I have:
Value = $(12 - w/2) million
This formula is a quick way to decide Dunn's worth depending on Brandon Wood's performance. He cannot be worth more than $12 million, because w cannot be negative (if Wood hits below replacement level, he gets replaced). If Wood has a good rookie season and hits about average (w = 20), then Dunn's value drops to $2 million. If Wood does great (w = 40), then Dunn should pay $8 million to play for the Angels.
So how much faith do you have in Wood? To get a sense of what this means for Dunn, I'll suppose that Wood has a 40% chance of totally flaming out, a 40% chance of doing well, and a 20% chance of doing really well. If I got to play next season 1000 times over, how much money should I bet on Adam Dunn and expect to come out ahead?
($12 million) * 40% + ($2 million) * 40% - ($8 million) * 20% = $4 million
Now, inventing all of these numbers may seem silly, and I've arbitrarily chosen what factors to consider and what to disregard (like the effect of Dunn behind Vlad in the order, which I believe is minimal). That's why I'm just a fan posting on a blog, not an actuary or an investment banker. But if Tony Reagins came to me and asked how much Adam Dunn was worth to the Angels, I would tell him about $4 million. Spend any more money than that, and you're playing a losing game. There's only one trial, so you might luck out, but I don't like the odds.
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whoa
this is a very brainy post.
I’m not wild about Dunn because between Rivera, Dunn, and Vlad…youre gonna have two bad defenders flanking Torii no matter what. I’ve also read much about how Dunn is pretty easy to pitch to, which to me suggests alot of his power numbers may come from feasting on bad pitching (I cant back that up, just an assumption I made)
If he can be pitched to, I cant see him being all that much help in the post season where pitching is the best.
Bill James’ 2009 projections has Wood & Morales good for about 42 homers this year if they get their ABs. That’s A-ok with me.
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 5, 2009 6:11 PM PST
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Glad the numbers don't pump up Dunn
The dude has FIZZLE written all over him and this team needs SIZZLE
by Rev Halofan on
Jan 5, 2009 6:20 PM PST
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the only sizzling will be the fans in the right field stands...
this team isnt picking up anyone else.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on
Jan 6, 2009 4:56 PM PST
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i'll take the hopes of morales and wood in our infield for the next 5 years
over one dimensional aging vets
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 9:11 PM PST
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Ahmen brother
Wood, Morales, Kendrick, and Napoli are the collective future.
by Jay Cal on
Jan 7, 2009 2:26 PM PST
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the future's bright, no?
man that’s a good group of kids….
add that to guys like Santana, Saunders, Weaver, Arredondo and Aybar, too.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 7, 2009 2:40 PM PST
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Or, to put it in a Star Wars way
Strong in the stats this one is, hmmm? His padawan you will be?
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Jan 5, 2009 10:29 PM PST
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I dont understand a darn thing on here.........lol
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on
Jan 5, 2009 6:52 PM PST
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Can you join the Angels FO?
I doubt they have anyone doing this kind of statical analysis. How else would one explain the signing of GMJ and even signing Hunter for that much money. And yes I know that one signing was by Stoneman and one by Reagins, but they are similar in my opinion in what they value out of players.
by MH252525 on
Jan 5, 2009 6:52 PM PST
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Sometimes it pays to overpay
I think you have to think of the Torii Hunter deal in terms of bargaining. During the last off-season, the Angels FO was desperate for a star center fielder (i.e. not GMJ). There just aren’t many good CFs coming up in the next few free agent classes, and there aren’t any exciting candidates in the farm system either. It was worth more to them to “make him an offer he couldn’t refuse” than to risk making a bid they might lose, shutting them out of a quality CF for a very long time. Will paying a 37 year-old Torii Hunter $18 million look silly in 2012? Of course it will. But not nearly as silly as paying Andruw Jones to do absolutely nothing through 2014.
Unfortunately, there is no offer that Scott Boras can’t refuse, but I’m over it now. Go get ’em, K-Mo.
by Suboptimal on
Jan 5, 2009 11:45 PM PST
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But didn't the Dodgers...
…pay Jones $18M in 2008 to do absolutely nothing? In a forest of bad free agent decisions (Pierre, Schmidt, Kuroda), what makes the Andruw Jones contract significant is that it manages to stand out from some really horrible deals on that team.
by George Kaplan on
Jan 6, 2009 4:57 AM PST
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Actually...
…they paid him $18 million to hurt the team. Fangraphs thinks his production was worth negative $1.6 million—at least Jason Schmidt is worth $0 on the bench. I honestly don’t understand why Ned Colletti still has a job.
Fangraphs also thinks GMJ was worth -$2.9 million, so the Angels aren’t entirely without shame here either.
by Suboptimal on
Jan 6, 2009 12:52 PM PST
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How did they rate Juan Pierre?
Certainly Pierre + Jones is far worse than GMJ.
by George Kaplan on
Jan 7, 2009 9:52 AM PST
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I teach math
and that post made me all tingly.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on
Jan 5, 2009 7:02 PM PST
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I teach math too
Algebra II and Geometry here, what about you?
by MH252525 on
Jan 5, 2009 7:33 PM PST
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It changes from year to year...
…but this year it’s Alg II and Calculus.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on
Jan 5, 2009 7:46 PM PST
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Nice Schedule!
I love teaching Algebra II, mature students, easy material, and I find teaching test taking strategies for Alg II easier than Geometry.
Are you the math chair at your HS?
by MH252525 on
Jan 5, 2009 8:28 PM PST
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Yeah, Alg II is fun to teach...
…and the older students are always more fun. We even get to talk baseball sometimes.
You couldn’t pay me enough to be chair. LOL
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on
Jan 5, 2009 9:22 PM PST
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Math Instuctor #3 here.
I follow the math, but the big picture has me skeptical. What is it about my Moneyball/Earl Weaver view that’s off here? Is it my tendency to undervalue Wood?
by cj1646 on
Jan 6, 2009 6:58 AM PST
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Undervalue Wood?
I’m beginning to wonder if that’s even possible.
Still, there’s part of me that hopes he hits 30 HR this year. I’m just not seein’ it.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on
Jan 6, 2009 8:46 AM PST
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I teach reading,
so I read the intro and scrolled right down to the comments!
Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!
by Rally Manatee on
Jan 5, 2009 8:48 PM PST
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I love the
“brainy posts” so many post are just eh “hey here is my idea for a line-up” which is fine and everyone especially in the offseason gets bored and antsy for Angels topics.
The reason I love these types of posts is that whether you agree or disagree it gives plenty to talk about.
There is no shortage of topics during the season but it is these types of topics that are refreshing during the doldrums of the offseason, I personally would love to see Dunn just because of his HR ability. I think his worth is about 6-8 mil a year and a 3 year deal or so I would be very happy about. He is young and could play Occasionalyl at 1b and a couple of times in RF a month just for poops and giggles.
The one thing I disagree with in this post is the “i don’t think Dunn hitting behind vlad is all that important”—i think it is, And I would love to see what would happen when there is a man on second, pressure situation and a middle reliever has to sling a fastball to Vlad in the sweet spot because he doesnt want two on for Dunn to park one out. I think that a 3 year deal with an option and a below 10 mil, would work for me.
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on
Jan 5, 2009 7:35 PM PST
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Plenty to talk about here
AGREE … it is like a BUFFET … any way you look at it there is something to eat!
by Rev Halofan on
Jan 5, 2009 8:38 PM PST
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umm... yeah
what this guy said. (that was for you, PhiSlamma)
but seriously, i agree that he’d fit very well in the cleanup spot.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 8:50 PM PST
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Lineup protection
Saber-heads love to attack conventional baseball wisdom, and their usual answer is that pitching around a batter almost always favors the offense, except when the next batter is a pitcher. Think of it this way: if you had a player so good that he was intentionally walked every time he came to the plate, you’d have a player with a 1.000 OPS. So while it wouldn’t be any fun to watch, a player who walked every time would produce almost as offense, statistically speaking, as Albert Pujols, who has a career OPS of 1.049.
I think that lineup protection is a little more important than that, but I don’t think it makes a difference for Vlad. He attacks everything. A pitcher isn’t going to purposefully throw him anything hittable whether he’s backed up Adam Dunn or Maicer Izturis. Of course, you want a good player to drive him in when he does get on base, but that is independent of Guerrero’s own performance.
by Suboptimal on
Jan 5, 2009 11:13 PM PST
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Bearing in mind, Vlad's freewheeling hitting philosophy & Dunn's OBP...
…wouldn’t it make more sense, hypothetically, to have Dunn hit in front of Vlad rather than behind him? Dunn’s more likely to wait for a good pitch, and he’s more likely to see one with Guerrero behind him. Vladimir is just going to hack away regardless.
Very nice post, by the way.
I see red people
by The Limey on
Jan 6, 2009 2:33 AM PST
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Nicely done!!
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Jan 5, 2009 8:15 PM PST
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I do like your suggestions for sharing time.
It makes me feel safer going into the season with no more moves. Figgins, Rivera, and Vlad still get a full season of AB’s, AND it gives Wood a chance to prove himself along with Morales. If things look shaky in May and June, start thinking trade.
Someone needs to mail this to Reagins and Sosh.
Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!
by Rally Manatee on
Jan 5, 2009 8:53 PM PST
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question for stat guy
Have you ever seen a ballgame where your team hits a 3-run homerun. Lots of times you win that ballgame. Our current lineup is not good at this stat.
by thedon on
Jan 6, 2009 7:31 AM PST
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Question for thedon
When has Dunn ever done that? Not all that much. His RISP numbers are HORRIBLE.
This is the worst offseason in years. But hey we got Colorado's closer!
by hauldog on
Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM PST
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Ballgame?
That’s where guys swing sticks at a round thing? I might have seen something like that once on TV.
More seriously, yes, big home runs often win ballgames. But striking out with a big scoring opportunity can also lose them. Adam Dunn hit 6 3-run home runs last year. He also whiffed in 24 of his 85 chances, and had just 11 hits and 17 RBI from balls that didn’t go over the fence. The other team might bring in a lefty to pitch to him in a tight situation like that, and Dunn hit lefties at a .195 clip last year.
He’s not a bad player. If you add up the pluses and the minuses, I think Dunn still comes out ahead, but not so far ahead that he becomes worth the Angels’ investment.
by Suboptimal on
Jan 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST
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thanks
Im curious, how many games were won in the 6 games that Dunn hit those homeruns? How many 3-run jacks did we hit total and who had the most? How many times were we playing college baseball and trying to squeeze home game winning runs in deciding games in the playoffs? How many saves did we have to get from Rodriguez to cover our lack of power? I love the halos, I just want to see the ball hit the people more often.
by thedon on
Jan 7, 2009 7:33 AM PST
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I seem to recall a four-run jack that won a ballgame (Torii walk-off).
by Downing Rules on
Jan 7, 2009 9:19 AM PST
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I was one of the proud 24K fans that stayed..
To see that home run. My friend and I convinced a group of 5 guys in front of us to stay. All we could say was: “Come on guys, it’s Joe Borowski. You never know what can happen.”
by MidwayCityLivestock on
Jan 7, 2009 9:47 AM PST
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I was there, too, man. The fellow season seat-holder next to me gave up and left. I let him hear about that ALL SEASON long. Hence, the age-old adage “it ain’t over til it’s over.” Never leave early.
by Downing Rules on
Jan 7, 2009 10:19 AM PST
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Huh?
Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?
by hk47 on
Jan 6, 2009 8:45 AM PST
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I'm getting the impression...
…that as a group, we’re more Arts than Sciences.
I see red people
by The Limey on
Jan 6, 2009 9:02 AM PST
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