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With Fuentes Aboard, are the Angels Set?

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim finished a great 2008 with the New Year's eve signing of closer Brian Fuentes. The 2 year deal vests a 3rd season if Fuentes closes 55 games in 2010. If this is the final piece of the puzzle, have the 100-Win Angels improved much? If the season were to start today, would they be ready to defend their division title? The lack of any obvious addition out there along with the team's depth could lead a casual observer to believe that General Manager Tony Reagins could go on a three month sabbatical today and still compete for a world championship.

STARTING PITCHING: The Angels bring back 4 of their 5 starting pitchers form last season - John Lackey, Ervin Santana, Jered Weaver and Joe Saunders. Jon Garland declined arbitration. If the season started today, the fifth starter for the Angels would be one of: Dustin Moseley, Nick Adenhardt, Shane Loux, Nick Green or Anthony Ortega. Look for the battle for #5 to be the story of the Spring in an otherwise set Angels mound.

RELIEF PITCHING: The Bullpen lost Frankie Rodriguez but almost makes up for it with Lefty Brian Fuentes anointed as the Angels' closer. The insurance the team has behind him is sick - Scot Shields and Jose Arredondo could easily be in his shoes. Lefty Darren Oliver accepted arbitration and Justin Speier will pretty much have to be worse than ever to be released, so any improvement will ensure he is the mop of the pen. Kevin Jepsen and Jason Bulger pretty much muscle out anyone else even thinking about cracking this bunch. Darren O'Day and Chris Bootcheck are gone from the organization, by the way.

OUTFIELD: Look for Torii Hunter to start in CF 150 times this season. Juan Rivera signed a 3-year deal in the offseason, so LF is his to lose. Vladimir Guerrero will be testing out that Colorado-Kobe-Doctor knee to play RF and Gary Matthews jr will be baseball's highest paid rover on days Vlad DHs. Reggie Willits looms as a pinch-running option but there is always the hope for a non-roster invitee to make Mike Scioscia suffer an interesting Spring.

CATCHER: There is no reason to not start a healthy Mike Napoli 120 times this seaosn and DH him in games where Jeff Mathis rests him. If Mathis is not traded, this DHing scenario is a better reason for Scioscia to carry 3 catchers at the major league level (Bobby Wilson and Ryan Budde are interchangeable as Hank Conger still needs seasoning in the minors) than his 2005 Molina-x-2 +Pope Josh Paul scenario.

FIRST BASE: The organization traded away favorite son Casey Kotchman and a pitching prospect for the Yankees' 1st round pick and a sandwich pick (plus two months of a Departed Scott Boras client) because they believe in Kendry Morales so much. There is always the occasional Robb Quinlan appearance at this spot, but if Hank Conger were to make strides this season in AA, Mike Napoli trying out at 1B in an experimental improvisation is not out of the question if Morales cannot make it as an everyday producer. Organizational depth-wise, the fingers are still crossed on Mark Trumbo, but even a breakthrough first half will not see him making a difference in L.A. of Ana in '09.

SECOND BASE: As long as Howie Kendrick keeps crowding the plate he is going to keep getting bones in his hand and wrist bruised and broken - maybe 2009 will be the year he dodges the inside pitch and hits 60 doubles, maybe it will be the season that the pitch does him in - oh, and then there are those hamstrings. Sean Rodriguez is scratching at the door and Maicer Izturis needs a place to play, too.

THIRD BASE-/-SHORTSTOP: The odd men out seem to be a quickly aging Chone Figgins and Maicer "Uhmembah Me?" Izturis. Incumbent Erick Aybar might be on more than one sheet list for missing the bunt last October, but that glove sure helps the pitching staff and he will only be turning 25 this month. Brandon Wood can play either position BUT if he is benched in favor of Figgins, Ranger and A's fans can confidently cheer for their teams' title hopes.

IN SUMMARY: There is just about NO position other than Fifth Starter at which the Angels can drastically improve with absolute certainty, save for signing Manny Ramirez, which they have announced they will not be doing. Juan Rivera will be an improvement over Garret Anderson and some combo of Fuentes/Aredondo/Shields should soften the loss of Frankie's 62 Saves. Kendry Morales will have a tough time filling the shoes of Departed Boras Client, but a combo of Morales and Wood will likely add more to the offense in 2009 than the Figgins-BorasClient combo contributed in 2008.

4 THINGS LEFT TO DO BY OPENING DAY: Jettison Chone Figgins, determine the 5th starter, determine the Bullpen roles, determine the Outfield hierarchy in games where Vlad DHs. Then just play ball...

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5th starter shots also to Walden and Reckling during spring training.

Why doesn’t Figgins work out during the off-season and therefore, what is Figgins value on the open market?

by Kristy_Joe on Jan 5, 2009 12:38 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO way

They’re too young, need more seasoning. No need to rush them.

by Sethy on Jan 5, 2009 8:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wtf

Reckling hasnt even pitched in Rancho yet

And exposing Walden to major league pitching when he hasnt even been in AA seems like a recipe for destroying his psyche.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 5, 2009 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly…this is the leading team in the AL West, which is not saying too much, but it means that they have a good shot at getting to the playoffs. With luck and health, they can go deep in the playoffs as is.

by Downing Rules on Jan 5, 2009 10:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some thoughts

1. Figgins is still the Angels best option for a high-OBP lead-off man. I wouldn’t trade him without getting something similar in return, maybe at the deadline? He can play the outfield while Wood gets his tryout at third, and GMJ is out until May, so I don’t see the hurry to move Figgins by Opening Day. But he’s good trade bait if a specific need comes up later. Sean Rodriguez might have the skills to take his place some day.

2. I like Jepsen, but he’s still unproven. Bulger is a 30 year-old still in AAA, not really a prospect. I’d like to see the team hedge its bets on middle relievers. I’m not a doctor, so I don’t know Chad Cordero’s chances of staying healthy, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the Angels take a flyer on this kid. He’s a good pitcher, and he could come cheap on a one-year deal. He went to CSUF, and it sounds as if he’d really like to come back. Obviously he’s not going to close, but right now he just needs to prove his health.

3. Dustin Moseley is a capable fifth starter. I wouldn’t be any more nervous about him taking the mound than I would be with Jon Garland. Escobar could slide in later, if he ever does recover. But if another starter goes down, the Angels might need to swing a trade for another arm. Adenhart and Green just do not look ready to face big league hitters.

4. I would project Figgins in left, Hunter in center, and Rivera in right on Vlad’s DH days. GMJ could take right, leaving in Rivera in left, when he comes off the DL. Hopefully we don’t see Willits in the field much. I like the idea of keeping third base open for Wood as much as possible in the first half of the season. He should get until the all-star break to start producing, maybe longer if the division isn’t at stake. If that doesn’t work out, then flip Figgins for a corner infielder.

by Suboptimal on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup, agreed.

I think the Figgins issue can’t be underestimated. He does a job no-one else at the club can currently do and he can spell any other position aside from catcher / 1B for a day off if necessary. Until we can properly identify another lead-off bat with something approximating patience, then he’s the guy.

Principal issue for me between now and opening day is working out a way of turning the excess capacity we have in the middle infield into someone that makes the club better in ‘09. I don’t really care who it is, so long as they can play – 5th starter, LF, 3B, anyone left handed who knows how to hold a bat…

I see red people

by The Limey on Jan 5, 2009 7:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brendan Donnelly wasn't a "prospect" either

Nor Ben Weber, et al. Relievers are different that way than starters or regulars, especially when they strike out ridiculous numbers of hitters, which Bulger does.

by mattwelch on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulger can still be useful

The context of my remark was that the Halos should hedge their bets with another reliever, not write-off Bulger entirely. Bulger could be the next Brendan Donnelly, but that is a high-risk gamble. He’s not young enough to be on a development track, and his stunning performance in AAA last year might have been because he’s more than two years older than the average PCL player.

He hasn’t exactly made the most of his major league call-ups either, just look at his career numbers. He struck out everything that moved in that one game in Chicago last September, and we all wondered why the hell he’d been at Salt Lake all year. But then he showed us why about a week later, when during two games in Oakland, he allowed five earned runs on one hit, five walks, and two hit batsmen, while recording zero outs. I trust the Angels’ pitcher development people: if they brought up Shane Loux in August instead of Jason Bulger, they must have had a reason.

by Suboptimal on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when i look at our depth chart

the only leadoff hitter i see is Figgins, if aybar could develop an eye, he would just solve so many of our problems and make figgins expendable. and don’t say reggie willits…

by jtkelly86 on Jan 5, 2009 2:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you're right about Aybar.

If OBP a leadoff hitter makes, here’s your man. I could envision him in the #2 spot also.

These are currently your other options.

by wumbug on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

love aybar

aybar is a definite comer, as is Izturis; hope the halos keep them. these are the kind of players that provide depth, which you need to win a w.s.

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how the franchise has been destoyed

I am amazed at how Angel fans and officials can see the world with rose colored glasses:
1. the 2002 w.champs had 7 relievers; our bullpen has been destoyed; does anybody believe that fuentes can replace krod? ridiculous
2. is kendry morales another Matthews? is brandon wood another dallas mcpherson?
3. We have lost G.A. the Molinas, Orlando Cabrera, Kevin Gregg, people who provided depth. where is the depth now?
4. G.A. was a solid .290 hitter with 80-90 RBi’s per year? Where is this production coming from?
5. The most outrageous: Helping the Yankees by giving away Jose Molina; without this trade, the Yanks would have drowned, with the likes of Will Nevas, a .130 hitter.
6. What happens when Vlad and Lackey leave next year? Don’t kid yourself. this will happen
7. Did anybody ever stop to think that negotiating with Boras is a totally lost cause? Did this come into the consciousness of the front office when Casey was ditched? How long will it take to realize that dealing with Boras, who shops legitimate offers, is a totally lost cause? We lost a great comer in Casey. Now what?

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 7:55 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2. should read

“switch hitters”, not “pinch hitters”

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2009 8:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i watch baseball; do you

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you watch baseball

check out jose with yanks in 2007; w/o him, yanks were out of the playoffs. Rose colored glasses do not work

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Protip

Put all your replies to his post in one, combined post.

by Sethy on Jan 5, 2009 12:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too busy ...

stomping feet, with fists swinging in the air, while screaming “I HATE YOU. WHY DON”T YOU AGREE WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!"

by eyespy on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our bullpen has been destroyed?

Are you kidding? If our bullpen isn’t one of the best 3 or 4 in the majors, I’ll be fairly surprised.

I see red people

by The Limey on Jan 5, 2009 8:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's bullpen is better.

Fuentes might not be as lights out as say Papplebon, but who has a better 7-8-9 solution than the Angels.

by Jay Cal on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you...

…I just have a tendency to err on the side of caution. After all, anything might happen, they might all be washed away in a freak yachting accident.

That fairly unlikely circumstance notwithstanding, on paper they look as good as (or better than) any ’pen out there. They only need a reliable long man to put the cherry on the top.

I see red people

by The Limey on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

relievers

you need more than 3 guys in the pen; history bears this out

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2002

Percy, Krod, ben weber, schonweis, callahan, shields, donnelly

these relievers all performed in their roles, as skip asked them to.

also, the bench delivered; check out the roster; where is the bench now?

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 10:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like i said

bad post….i see a pattern arising

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jan 5, 2009 1:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh... I know what you're thinking...

Is it one strike or two? Now, seeing as this is a 99 mph fastball, the most powerful fastball in the world, the question you’ve got to be asking yourself is, “Do I feel lucky?” Well, do ya, punk?

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jan 6, 2009 8:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angels seem to have done okay with Boras

during the Jered Weaver negotiations.

Dare I say that Boras is Arte’s bitch?

We’ve got the only owner in baseball willing to stand up to that guy….and the front office fields a winning team every year. It’s something to be proud of, not something to denigrate.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arte was taken

meantime, arte stood up to boras in a losing battle, and we lost a great comer in casey? what did we gain?

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 10:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

casey was young

youth =/= great.

Kotch was a stupidly good defender, but not a huge hitter. with some seasoning, who knows?
but even with the way everything went, i still would do that Tex trade.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, but I think I'll defer to

Arte’s business decisions….unless you have $8 billion you’re not telling us about.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 10:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To play devil's advocate...

At least he didn’t talk about trading the only leadoff man on our roster.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 3:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who is stupid

your post is revealing; did you get past kindergarten

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 6, 2009 4:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

that is all i have to say.

wow.

bravo good sir

by linkbruin on Jan 7, 2009 3:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feeble

The first time I read this, I thought it was a troll post. After reading it a second time, I realized you’re just an idiot.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 5, 2009 6:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

add another est to lamest, thus making him the “Lamestest poster of all-time.”

by Downing Rules on Jan 5, 2009 6:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I might be in the minority

But I agree with Rev. I’ve been a Figgins fan for years. But I see him getting in the way of a lot of young talent. We jettisoned Erstad for Kotchman. We also let Glaus go for McPhereson. I think Wood needs to start every day, if not at SS then at least at 3B.

Although if I had it my way, I’d trade away a package of Figgins and Aybar with some prospects to either land a solid bat to protect Vlad or a strong 5th rotation starter.

by Jay Cal on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

glaus

absolutely: troy made vlad a better hitter; why did we lose him?

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Troy Glaus did not make Vlad a better hitter…That is foolish.. I do like Glaus ,don’t get me wrong…but to say that is not a fair statement imo…

by raven191 on Jan 5, 2009 11:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We lost him because he was a pouting

malcontent with a steroid problem.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 11:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

figgins

figgy is a jewel; i am surprised that the halos haven’t moved him

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trade figgy for...

glaus. the lou needs speed, tglaus is in the last year of his contract (it will save them money) and past angels do well in the lou.

by thejd on Jan 5, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kotch, etc.

the question is: why did the angels not realize that dealing with boras is a no win situation

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bashing the angels

you don’t see that i am talking about depth; this is what wins world series; where is our depth

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

but depth is the sole reason we won 100 games last year.

it’s why we will win again this year. we have guys ready to be FT MLB players….wood, srod, jepsen, bulger, kendry, aybar, etc.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jan 5, 2009 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...

depth is the least of Angel concerns. The real concern comes down to the same thing…that “big bat” to complement Vlad.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But, even with it (Teix = big bat), it didn’t get the Halos over the hump (Red Sox) last year.

by Downing Rules on Jan 5, 2009 1:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True true.

Unfortunate but true.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a Cards fan...

I would like to see that move made. The Cardinals are definitely missing a quality leadoff hitter to set the table for Mr. Pujols. The Cards are getting plenty of pop from Ludwick and Ankiel. With the addition of Khalil Greene (hopefully he can hit 20+ homeruns again), the Cardinals can spare some power to acquire some speed/leadoff skills. I think the FO would want a little more back than Figgins for Glaus, but I don’t think it would be much.

I’m guessing the past Angels doing well in St. Louis conversation starts and ends with Edmonds and Adam Kennedy is just ignored… BTW, how good was Kent Bottenfield?

by Jumsy on Jan 5, 2009 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like Eckstein sort of careered for you guys, huh?

Chuck Finley threw pretty well for you too.

Oh, and you seemed to do okay with Whitey Herzog as I recall.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 12:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

truth

truth is what counts; the front office would do well to heed this, instead of conning the fans

by disgustedangelfan on Jan 5, 2009 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the downside of the Angels' recent success...

spoiled naysayer bandwagon “fans” with unrealistic expectations.

The roster’s not set yet, dipshit. Or should I instead just call you “troll?”

Hope you’re having fun.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is definitely a sophisticated troll

All of his complaints are designed to make the hardcore angel fan appear as statistically retarded as possible as well as stupidly sentimental. Oakland and Seattle are so desperate to be superior to us that they craft ther own angel fan voodoo doll trolls to manifest their visions of superiority.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems to have joined today.

We’ll see what his future posts look like, but I think “troll” is accurate (though I wouldn’t go so far as to call him "sophisticated").

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 5:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha what do you mean we'll see what his future posts look like

his name is disgustedangelfan. Im pretty sure they’ll echo this irrational disgust.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 5, 2009 6:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Rev will ban him!

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 8:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the hate for Figgins?

It’s true that he’s slowing down, but he’s a better hitter than Aybar. Figgins got extremely unlucky with balls in play last year, indicating that he should be much better this year. His walk rate has increased each of the last four seasons. He does need to pick his spots on the bases better, but he’s still a good leadoff guy, better than we’re going to find anywhere else in the organization. Nobody else gets on base enough.

IMO, DH Rivera or Vlad, put Figgins in left field, Wood at third and Aybar at short. That’s an above average defensive infield, a better defensive outfield than it is with Rivera/Vlad out there, and you keep your best leadoff hitter in the lineup.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trading Figgins for a 5th starter

would solve both problems. do something along the lines of the Garland-OCab deal from last year…. only you could probably get a little better of a pitcher (not that Judy was THAT terrible).

Oh yeah… disgustedangelfan – you’re an idiot. GA was NOT a solid hitter, he was barely league average.
Jose Molina can’t lick Napoli’s jockstrap; get over it.
Our bullpen is easily top 3 in the majors; the 2002 bullpen wasn’t as good.
Kevin Gregg? really?

get over the past and embrace the future, or this is going to be a long, LONG season

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think a league avg hitter is solid

I mean, to be a league average hitter, you have to be doing something right. I think you’re arguing semantics. GA was solid, and I do think he’ll be missed (Rivera isn’t that much better with the bat and is a worse fielder/baserunner), but I don’t think he’ll be missed enough to justify the increased price tag.

I’ll say this again, Figgins is the only guy on this team who can hit leadoff. The only other guy who gets on base enough is Vlad. Maybe Willits (yeah, I went there). Erick Aybar, Howie Kendrick, and Maicer Izturis are not leadoff hitters. GMJ is not even a hitter, much less a leadoff hitter.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maicer could be a good leadoff hitter

given the time. i’d have no problem letting him leadoff… Izzy (when given full playing time) puts up an OBP of around .350. While it’s not amazing, it’s better than league average, and solid from the top. and personally, i think he’s a smarter hitter than Figgy.

who knows, man… we’ll find out soon enough

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 10:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Izzy would be better than the other options

But Figgins, if he gets even a little bit luckier with balls in play this year, should put up a .375 OBP. That’s MUCH better than .350. Plus where will be play Izturis if we want to play Aybar AND Wood? Izturis and Aybar are solid defensive super utility guys, but I don’t think we really want both of them in the lineup at the same time if we can help it.

I’ll admit some bias since I really like Figgins, but the numbers bear it out – the Angels just don’t have anyone who profiles as a leadoff hitter except for Chone. Izturis could fill in if we needed someone, but I would hate for that to be a season-long solution.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops, I think I repeated your sentiment below.

Sorry.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 11:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never apologize...

…for agreeing with me.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 5, 2009 12:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lackey

The wildcard with Lackey is the WBC.

It’s early and if he throws too much, well….

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jan 5, 2009 12:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree...

I’m very nervous about Lackey and the WBC. It’s a terrible decision on his part given his early season arm troubles last year.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

and nicely said

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 12:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Great post. I agree with all of your points except maybe the point about the bullpen.

With Speier out of a leveraged innings role until he proves he can handle it again, plus projected improvement from some of the younger guys, I think the bullpen may very well be better. I have no qualms about saying that I think Fuentes could have saved 62 games if he were on the Angels last year.

Other than that minor quibble, I think you hit the nail on the head. The Angels should still be the division favorites and should still be playoff contenders. But it’s hard to see how they got better when their best players are almost all on the wrong side of 30 and it’s impossible to look at the past performance of Wood and Morales and say that they are sure-thing bets as everyday starters.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This will come as a shocker to everyone...

but the only point of Rev’s with which I disagree is the rather factual statement that “Juan Rivera will be an improvement over Garret Anderson.”

Via Angels Win, Bill James’ projections for Juan Rivera are as follows: 99 Games, .281/.327/.467/.794 13 hr’s 52 RBI’s. Should JR post those numbers (and it’s amazing how often James is correct), that would most definitely not be an improvement over GA, nor would it be better than what GA will be busy posting for some team in ’09.

Rivera posting better numbers in ‘09 than GA did in ’08 would be more than welcome (and is possible) but would also be somewhat surprising. It’s a possibility, but far, far from a certainty.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

those are probably based on last year's numbers

which were faulty because of playing time.

believe it or not, Bill James and math DO NOT always have the right answer. we’re dealing with humans and flaws… crazy things can happen. How many people projected Napoli to end up with the numbers he did? How about Saunders or Santana?

i’ll take my chances, thank you.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 11:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

I believe that James’ projections are based (in large part) on the last three seasons, which, in this case, would include Rivera’s career year (2006). In the case of Juan Rivera, the 2009 projections are essentially in line with his career numbers. James is estimating that Rivera will exceed his career average for games played. JR’s career numbers are .284/.331/.468, which is, for all intents and purposes, what James has projected for him in ’09.

The only thing “faulty because of playing time” is Rivera’s career. Good players find playing time. Marginal players, for a variety of reasons that encompass more than raw talent, find the bench.

I’m rooting for Juan Rivera so long as he’s on the Angels. I hope he has a .325/.375/.550 season with 25 HR and 100 RBIs, I really do, but logic (which can often include some "math") would suggest that such hopes are ill-founded.

Juan Rivera needs to prove himself over an entire season (something he’s never done). He needs to play capable defense (something he has struggled with). And he needs to have a decent first half (something else he’s never done) so that he’s still on the field to post what has traditionally, for him, been a strong second half. His career first-half numbers (.252/.304/.425) are the biggest reason for the spotty playing time over the course of his career. Juan Rivera is going to finally get his big chance. Let’s see what he does with it.

When you’re done taking your “chances,” take a statistics class; JR outperforming his career averages would be known as an outlier.

Since you mentioned the “human” factor, though, give some consideration to the fact that Juan Rivera will be under some pressure to replace an Angel legend, and that pressure will begin at a time (the first half of the season) when he has, traditionally, shit in his hat. My prediction for Juan is that, sometime just before the All-Star break, he injures himself while pushing his slow and growing ass down the line so as to avoid grounding into his 20th double play of the season. Of course, I’ve always been a pessimist, so take that prediction with a grain of salt.

That said, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong…I truly do.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3yrs

so that includes his injured time. He’s now 100% healthy and will get FT play. so real JR numbers will be somewhere inbetween 2006 and 2008 (prorated over a full season).

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Jan 5, 2009 1:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GMJ also contributed to that lack of playing time, IIRC.

by Downing Rules on Jan 5, 2009 1:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last year, yeah

but not in 2007.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but then again

neither did GA in 2007

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, GA had a pretty solid 2007.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, aside from JR's injury

he would have been on the bench, rightfully, behind Anderson in ’07.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GMJ even more so...

GMJ’s obscene contract made him Scioscia’s choice over Rivera.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And, of course, JR didn't make the most of what playing time

he got early in ’08 either.

And if Juan Rivera hadn’t broken his leg, the Angels wouldn’t have ever fallen in love with Reggie Willits either. Rivera cost himself playing time and cost me a case of aching eyes.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For you statheads vis a vis Juan Rivera

Go back to his 2006 year and give your thoughts. It might just be me (and my memories of watching those games), but it seems that he started horribly, blazed for about 3 1/2 months, and then faded again. I just can’t shake this nagging feeling that we are pinning great hopes on a player who has only done well for a relatively short period of time.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 5, 2009 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His 2006 was phenomenal...

He had a fairly decent first half (.277/.337/.505), which gained Scioscia’s confidence and allowed him to play more in the second half (.335/.381/.538). We can only hope that his 2009 approaches his 2006. The truth, though, is that he’s a different player in 2009 than in 2006 because he’s 1) three years older, 2) three steps slower and 3) three years removed from regular playing time.

Nobody seems to mention his 2005, when he sucked to the extent that Jeff DaVanon took his playing time.

Will we get the 2006 Rivera? Will we get the 2005 Rivera? I’d settle for the 2004 Rivera. Of course, even in that season, when he was playing very well, he still couldn’t seem to fend off Termel Sledge enough to be considered a full-time player. Something or someone is always blamed for holding Juan Rivera back.

No excuses for him in 2009. He’ll put up or everyone will shutup, and we’ll finally have our answer.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is only one way to find out

and that is to let him play a full season.
After the Boras/Tex drama, the Halos decided they were not going to deal with Boras again, so that nixed the 2nd best offensive option out there: Manny. The Angels do not see anyone else out there worth signing. So they get Juan at a cheap price.
Nothing lost (at this point) by the Halos.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Jan 6, 2009 8:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anything, James generally overestimates offense.

Unders on both could be the safest bet.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a minute...

Did you buy James’ book?

Or did you actually visit Angels Win?

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 3:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at the way the wind is blowing...

…and you have a more sophisticated analysis than Aryanswin.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 4:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are they Aryans?

I didn’t get that impression. But if you know something I don’t, I certainly don’t want to be visiting an “Aryan” site…especially as a Jew (which I am).

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HEY REV

WHAT ABOUT KELVIM SAVING THE DAY

stay humble in a ferari

by MYSPASCOBAR on Jan 5, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

We can’t hear you.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to see us get another OF

preferably a lefty or switch hitting bat. I think the FO has not gone after ManRam/Dunn/Burell, etc. because we don’t have room for a starter (those jobs belong to Hunter, Rivera, Vlad), but for another backup OF, I believe there is a need.

Everyone has been saying the market is deep for OF, so I think Arte is just waiting it out and see which bat is willing to take a small contract to come off the bench. I think there are bats out there to supplement our lineup and supplant Willits.

by matthiasstephan on Jan 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder where we could find a lefty OF bat?

Hmmm…we don’t want to spend too much money, and it would be great if that guy could play at least average defense in left field, and was generally considered to be a decent guy in the clubhouse, maybe we could even find someone who is top 5 in like every Angels hitting statistic ever…

I just don’t know if someone like that is out there…

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 4:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, still learning about the reply button apparently.

see below.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like GA too.

My problem is I think we need someone willing to fill in off the bench. GA is still a good player and deserves the chance to find a starting gig if he can.

I would welcome him back for less money in a new back up role, if he wants it (or the market makes it worth his while). Until then …

by matthiasstephan on Jan 7, 2009 4:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That signing would short-circuit this site...

and 75% of its visitors, too.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um...

I’m admittedly new around here…so I’m treading with this as lightly as I possibly can…but Rev, I’ve never seen a site before where the moderator is so ruthless. I love coming here…but remarks like that make me think twice about sticking around. (I know, I know…you don’t really care if I’m here or not…but I’m still sayin’.)

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 5, 2009 4:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well for the record i do care...

…but once i ascertain that a poster doesn’t care, i only care about killing. i only go for the jugular on truly contentious assholes.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 4:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Truly contentious assholes"

for offering a disparate opinion?

You should kick your dog instead, it’s easier.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apology accepted.

It still might take me a few minutes to diffuse my own TSS though. I’ll work through it.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While we're at it...

Is there any way that you could make an adjustment that would allow us to remedy that reply mistake whenever we do accidentally make it? I realized I had done it immediately, but couldn’t fix it.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 5:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SBN is working on an edit feature

and obama is working on a stimulus.

while backside shots of Michelle Obama walking up staircases is certainly stimulating, do not hold your breath waiting for it to be YOUR staircase… or those other two happening any time soon…

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 5:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

And the mea culpa is appreciated by this third party.

Still, the first time you responded to one of my posts, it was to make fun of me for the title. It’s cool…I’m a big boy. But I do prefer open discourse and minds to insults and name-calling.

Thanks for the reply.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 5, 2009 7:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is an evolving community

we are leaning as we engage in cybersocial intercourse.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 7:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how you put that.

But then, in another thread, I was just accused of having a nerdgasm, so it’s probably just me.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Jan 5, 2009 7:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me?

First, I think that’s maybe the second time I’ve ever made that very simple mistake.

Second, your response is maybe just a bit heavy-handed.

Third, you’re risking toxic shock syndrome by not changing your tampon often enough.

Dude, get over yourself. What kind of reply is that? Seriously.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you all twisted up because I didn't use the reply button

or because I joked about everyone hating on GA?

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My sincere apologies

I thought you were someone else – with almost 1400 registered users (the most of any Angels blog by far), i get some user names confused.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 4:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, I really like your site...

so I’m inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Out of curiosity, for whom were you confusing me?

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never mind, let sleeping trolls sleep

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 4:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 4:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GarretFellator

is always a jerk too!

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Jan 5, 2009 8:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe so

But it would make me incredibly happy. We’re not signing Manny. Dunn is a good hitter, but he’s abysmal in the field, worse than Rivera, and he’s just not the Angel’s type of guy. I’d be fine if they signed him, but I doubt it’s happening. Abreu is Dunn with a higher batting average but less homeruns (he’s equally abysmal in the field – Abreu is the worst fielding OF over the past two years). That leaves our favorite left handed left fielder.

With Burrell just signing a deal for $8 million per, I’d imagine that’s about what it would take to sign GA. Do it. Now.

(Actually I’m not sure they CAN do it, since they didn’t offer him arbitration. Doesn’t that mean he isn’t allowed to sign with the Angels until May? I forget the rule.)

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Jan 5, 2009 6:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They changed the MAY rule

Anyone can sign anyone at any time for any reason.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 5, 2009 7:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playing time

As a long time Angels fan I love that the Angels are now a contending team EVERY year. I wouldn’t change that at all. But the one downside I see is that the Angels are in a situation where it is hard to gauge the talent they do have. Morales should have been given big league ab’s far before this year. And I’m fairly certain that at least one of the following players (Wood, S-Rod, Jepsen, Bulger, Bobby Wilson, Aybar, Thompson) will not have success in the bigs until they go to a team that can afford to give them regular playing time without worrying about the results as much if they are in a down year. S-Rod and B. Wood in particular NEED playing time in the bigs. They had sick numbers in AAA when given regular abs and I’d love to see what they could do.

When GMJ is out at the start of the year, I’d make Figgins an OF and give more abs to those two guys. I also agree that Naps absolutely HAS to Catch/DH at least like 145 games this year. He has 70 power and patience and it’s stupid to have that bat rot on the bench in case Mathis gets hurt when he’s playing. I’d rather go with Mathis/Naps and Bobby Wilson. With Figgy being able to play the OF and IF they could easily carry three catchers especially since S-Rod/Wood/Izturis/Aybar can all play just about any IF position.

by MH252525 on Jan 5, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a long time Angels fan I love that the Angels are now a contending team EVERY year.

And this, ladies and gentlmen, is the reason why Arte Moreno is a better owner than Gene Autry, even though Autry gave us the team.

by Downing Rules on Jan 6, 2009 8:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't that old when Gene was actually running the team

but didn’t the Angels have a payroll comparable to where it is now when he was buying free agents?

And as much as I love Arte as the next guy, I think moving from a 7 team division to a 4 team division with the A’s, Rangers and M’s as competition helped Arte just a bit ;)

by MH252525 on Jan 6, 2009 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GA Ga GA GA

ah the laziness caught on to me so im gonna stop

Tex went to the dark side.

by vlad IS my man on Jan 5, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

typical

With more free agents lost than gained, the frustrating reluctance to sign Manny, and a commitment to “let the kids play,” it seems like the Angels are going in a direction typical of teams that have just won the World Series. Too bad they didn’t…

by ronster on Jan 6, 2009 12:58 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2009

I think it is going to be great to finally see our young studs start and play thru an entire season. It will be tough to stomach at times…and that is part of their maturing. But in the end, I think there will be far more upside.

The Angels will win the AL West by 7 to 10 games and everyone will be asking why we didn’t play our young guys sooner.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Jan 6, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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