Chone Figgins
I'm tired of hearing all this crap of most of you people hear hating on Chone Figgins. The guy is the spark to the offense. Once he gets on, the pitcher has to take in mind his legs. Hey, he stole 62 bags in 05 and every year he steals a lot. Taking Figgins out of the equations would make the Angels less to run. We know what he can do when he is healthy. .330 batting average is good and Figgins can walk. Sure last year he was bothered my the hamstring but hey, injuries happen in baseball. Figgins is also versatile as he can play most of the positions Mike requires him too so don't say he needs to get traded because Chone Figgins is a great player. You know that if Mike puts Juan Rivera to work on the glove at first if Morales isn't producing, guess who is going to left. Figgins. 6 errors at 3rd base in 2008 sounds like a pretty good fielding job so please stop hating on Figgins because he is just the type of player that the Angels should have.
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figgy is a tough call...
but as valuable as he is to us he can be just as valuable to another team. he’s getting older is going to want more money and is slowing down. as much as i love him as a sparkplug, his best days are behind him.
by thejd on
Jan 5, 2009 5:27 PM PST
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Not Sold on Him Anymore
His .330 was 2007, his 62 bags was 2005.
It is 2009. His trade value will never be higher.
He is getting OLD and is no longer fast.
He is not the sparkplug he used to be.
HE is not ANYTHING he used to be, especially cheap.
If Chone Figgins qualifies as a “GREAT” player in his 2009 game-ready version, than the Agels have 38 “GREAT” players on the 40-Man roster.
The Angels will be better with an improvised lineup that omits a certain “sparkplugginess” than to even consider handing over 1/9 of our offense to a singles-hitting groundout machine.
by Rev Halofan on
Jan 5, 2009 5:32 PM PST
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Hmm
I’m kind of in angelfan_007’s corner on this one.
Is he old? If 30 is old, he is. He’ll be 31 this month. Is that really old?
He’s not fast anymore? Really? That’s not a correct statement. He stole 34 bases in 116 games. That was 6th in the AL. He’s really our only “fast” player.
I don’t understand why fans of this team hates players from this team. I don’t hate any of the players on the team no matter how badly they play (including GMJ and Willits and Speier).
I think Figgins has some trade value, but I also think he’s better than Aybar will ever be.
Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?
by hk47 on
Jan 6, 2009 8:43 AM PST
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but will he be better at 33 or 34 than aybar will be at 27 at a fraction of the cost?
People are talking about trading Figgins because he’s in a contract year and blocks younger players who will make pennies for the next 4-5 years.
If the Angels dont plan on re-signing him, trading him and getting something in return only makes sense.
And if we re-sign Vlad and already have Torii on board, keeping Figgins makes no sense. We cant get older and declining while the rest of the division gets younger and better.
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 8:53 AM PST
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Hmmm?
“It is 2009. His trade value will never be higher.” – Rev
If we see his decline…. doesn’t that mean others do too?
by matt92130 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:38 PM PST
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Even a figgins in decline
is valuable for the white sox and many other teams. Plus the difference between Figgy and Wood is less than the difference between a 4th/5th starter type and our in house candidates.
Aka A) figgy to the cubs for harden (necessitating us keeping moseley as a long man) or
B) Figgins to the white sox for Gavin Floyd or Jon Danks (wishful thinking, but the white sox want figgy badly)
C) Figgy to the braves for Jo-Jo Reyes
D) Minnesota for one of their good young pitchers
E) Figgy and prospects for Zach Grienke (that would be awesome)
Trading figgins would create holes, most notably in the leadoff spot, and we could feasibly keep figgins rotating him from LF/RF during Vlads/Juans DH days.
That said getting one of those good young (mostly) pitchers would be a real catch. Getting one of those would really help cushion the loss (god forbid) of lackey. And it gives us crazy good SP depth, also freeing up a starter for a trade. But a Figgy/Ortega/Bourjous trade for Danks/Floyd/Grienke or a Figgy/Loux trade for Harden would be sooooooo sweet.
Rotation of
Lackey
Santana
Danks/Floyd/Harden/Grienke
Saunders
Weaver
and Adenhart/Greene/Moseley as insurance.
wow, CC who?
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on
Jan 11, 2009 12:08 AM PST
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Why stop with those fantasy trades?
Why not:
° Figgins to the Red Sox for Masterson and Lester?
° Figgins to the Yankees for Teixeira?
° Figgins to the Marlins for the Marlins (leaving Figgy to do that Bugs Bunny routine of playing all positions in the game)?
Face it: He does not have the currency you think he does, and his free agency at season’s end really limits his value. He goes for AA-level prospects or a bad contract, but not much more.
by George Kaplan on
Jan 11, 2009 8:49 PM PST
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i think that while I am probably being overly optimistic
you are severely underestimating his value. A speedy leadoff hitter who swipes bags and plays decent defense is pretty appealing, especially to a team like the cubs who have a need for a utility man/rover who can play solid D anywhere, and have a surplus of major league pitching. obviously wed need to add more to sweeten the deal, but that could be teh centerpiece
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on
Jan 11, 2009 8:54 PM PST
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Figgins
I’ll grant you his D has improved, but pitching is a prized commodity, and teams don’t trade guys like Rich Harden for one season of Figgins. GMs who do that get fired.
Other teams are also aware that Figgins’ success on the bases has declined each season since 2004, and last year was his worst percentage at being thrown out yet. He’ll be 31 in a few weeks, and time isn’t kind to guys who use speed as their chief asset.
by George Kaplan on
Jan 11, 2009 9:03 PM PST
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damn. i wrote a whole piece about how valuable figgins and harden were
but the site was down, and then i shut down my computer for the night and lost it.
Basically, using the projections at fangraphs, and callin Figinns a +10 run baserunner, his value over replacement was 3.3 wins. Looking at Hardens projections, his value was 3.2 wins over replacement (actually 3.3, but i docked him for not pitching that many innings and tiring the bullpen), so figgins for harden would actually not be so far fetched. The thing is however that Harden at his full potential is an elite pitcher, so the angels will have to throw in a prospect or two
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on
Jan 12, 2009 4:00 PM PST
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take a nap
Sell high.
You are what you type.
by rjcicc on
Jan 5, 2009 5:32 PM PST
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Not hate, but reality. The Angels have gotten as much out of him as they can. I agree with rjcicc “sell high” although the pre-2008 Figgins was much more valuable than the present-day one.
In Chone’s defense, (I have mentioned this before sorry for being redundant if you have read this), his poor 2008 performance may be related to off-the-field issues with his father’s health. I didn’t see the usual Figgy cheer and fire in his eyes in 2008. I think his father’s condition was really a distraction (very understandibly) to Chone.
Once again, my prayers and thoughts are with Figgins’ dad for a speedy recovery, not only to help the Angels team, but to help Papa Figgins get through a tough time.
by Downing Rules on
Jan 5, 2009 5:51 PM PST
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i think 2007 may have been kind of flukey
if theres a team that really values him and matches up with us, why not capitalize?
I agree though that the leadoff position would get tricky with him gone, but its not something we cant overcome. We did well with Chone leading off last year when he was pretty mediocre.
I think our failure to sign Teixeira coupled with next year’s weak free agent class has forced the front office to start being serious about building for the long haul. Wood, Morales and Aybar should all be getting their ABs this year to see if theyre part of the Angels beyond 2009. Chone complicates that.
A solid outfield prospect with plate discipline would certainly be a nice return for Chone’s contract year.
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 5, 2009 5:56 PM PST
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i would rather get a pitcher
and draft outfielders so that theyll be ready in a few years.
Terry Evans/Bourjos/Willits could be capable to fill in or replace Vlad if he doesnt stay
Getting pitching now is important. If injuries happen this year, we dont have the saunders/santana to fill in. Adenhart cant do it yet, and moseley just doesnt have the talent, and ortegas still unproven
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on
Jan 11, 2009 12:11 AM PST
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I love him too.
Going into last year, Kotch and Figgy were my favorite players. I really miss Kotch. And as much as I love Figgy, I have to admit that IF we could get a power bat or a quality arm for him, I’d be in favor of the trade.
I’m afraid we’ll all watch him fall off the table if we don’t sell high.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on
Jan 5, 2009 7:04 PM PST
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fanboy
“hey he did something good 3 years ago so we need to keep him until he retires cuz he’s the greatest Angel ever!”
…we heard the same crap with GA. the time comes when you have to let it go. Figgy’s time is before the 2009 season starts.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 8:13 PM PST
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Is it possible for you to constructively reply to posts
without being an enormous troll/d-bag?
If not I have another forum that you would fit in nicely with:
http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-mlb
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on
Jan 5, 2009 8:30 PM PST
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pot talking to kettle about coloration
talk about stomping grounds
by Rev Halofan on
Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST
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what? WHAAAAAT?
did the Rev just defend me? hahahaha :P
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST
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It was more
trying to get me to rraaaggggeeeee internet retard status then to actually defend anyone.
Its ok, no matter how much we fight Rev knows deep inside our love will remain ever-present.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on
Jan 5, 2009 9:48 PM PST
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is it possible?
sure… but this is ridiculous.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST
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if its any consolation
i enjoy your d-bagdom. Howie handles stick together.
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM PST
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hahahah thanks 2.0
i’m sorry, but this post deserved some sort of d-bagdom.
the thought behind all of this was literally, “he was good in 05 and 07, so we should keep him”.
excuse the warranted sarcasm. ;)
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 8:57 PM PST
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My softball uni number is 47
Does that count?
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on
Jan 5, 2009 10:31 PM PST
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we'll talk it over
and get back to you on that one.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 10:59 PM PST
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Brick KILLED a guy.............
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on
Jan 6, 2009 8:31 AM PST
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hahahahahaha
i stabbed a man with a trident
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 6, 2009 9:09 AM PST
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what flavor
Was it chewed or unchewed?
by Jay Cal on
Jan 6, 2009 11:42 AM PST
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berry.
chewed.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 6, 2009 11:47 AM PST
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utility infielder
Honestly, he completely fits the bill – doesn’t completely suck with the bat, no power whatsoever, and has speed.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1580&position=3B/OF#fielding
Stats show him to be pretty good with the glove at 3rd, pretty awful in the outfield, and okay at second (albeit in a small sample size), and I don’t think any of us sees him as anything special with the bat. But as we know, the sooner that Wood can claim 3rd base the better. I agree with most people here – we should have traded him when he had that 62 steal season, or when he batted .330 (with an incredibly lucky .390 BABIP). Hopefully he can find somewhat of a Renaissance and we can try to sell high on him, although it will be tough to watch Figgy leave.
visiting halos fan
by 442 on
Jan 5, 2009 8:14 PM PST
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Everyone knows that spark plugs need changing
by linkbruin on
Jan 5, 2009 9:35 PM PST
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when it gets old and slow
;)
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Jan 5, 2009 10:02 PM PST
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clever!
Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!
by Rally Manatee on
Jan 6, 2009 12:33 AM PST
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Figgins
Should have traded him after the 2007 season, when he proved people wrong and had a solid season.
He didn’t quite get it done in 2008, but I’m hoping the Angels ride him for one or two more years, just to see if he has anything left. He is only 31 years old and if he has a ‘bounce back’ year, is comparable offensively to Rafael Furcal.
by BBFan1 on
Jan 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST
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He traded XBHs for singles and walks, then stopped hitting singles
I think you need to trade either Figgins or Izturis this offseason (or both) to clear up the infield logjam, and get available talent back. It’s no diss on either of those fine gentlemen. Figgins in particular has been a great Angel, and he may even be a great Angel this year.
How? Let’s say Izturis goes in a package for a pitcher, and we otherwise keep the offense as is (I hope not, but it’s possible). In April and May, while GMJ is still hurt, Figgins can play LF, allowing Vlad & Rivera to shuttle between RF & DH. Also during that period, Figgins can serve as insurance on 3B, 2B, and even SS (because if Aybar goes down, Wood can slide over). That is some valuable flexibility, and may allow Sean Rodriguez regular ABs in AAA, if that’s something we think is valuable. Meanwhile, the lineup can feature its only natural leadoff hitter aside from the (I think unfairly) reviled Reggie Willits.
So those are the first two months of the season. If a miracle happens and we are injury-free when GMJ comes back in June, Figgins can go back to being a nearly full-time rover. If, say, Rivera or Vlad gets hurt, you could even slot Figgy at DH against righties (career: .298/.361/.398), and put Napoli at DH against lefties. If, somehow, everyone’s healthy and he can’t crack the lineup anymore, trade him at the deadline for whatever we need (hopefully, people in their 20s who can play the outfield).
My fear, though, is that Scioscia uses Figgins (or Izturis for that matter) the way he did in ‘06 — as a way to blunt Dallas McPherson’s career, back when he was at least half-healthy. We need Brandon Wood to play and start growing, not another season of league-average slap-hitting from the 3B position.
by mattwelch on
Jan 6, 2009 2:09 AM PST
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Agreed on all fronts
B-Wood needs to play, grow and develop against MLB pitching. Figgy is a known quantity in Scioscia’s pocket and he will be reluctant to unseat the known for a developing unknown.
I love the idea about the Figgy/Nipples DH platoon.
That is really an inspired idea – the more I think about it – Napoli catching 100 games and DH’ing 50 makes me VERY happy.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Jan 6, 2009 10:25 AM PST
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that would easily result in 30 homers
and probably a higher average because he’d be in a better rhythm
So uhhhh can we please do this
Napoli, Wood, Morales = 70 bombs next year if they get 500 ABs per
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 9:15 PM PST
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We agree...
except in regard to Willits being unfairly reviled ;-)
"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Jan 6, 2009 12:20 PM PST
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As a fan of the team, I love saying FIGGEEEE! when he comes to bat. #9!!!!!
And he is a little guy like me, so i can relate to him. In fact I wonder if there is a correlation between HHer’s who want to trade him and them being bigger in stature , and those of us who want him to bat leadoff in 09 and perhaps beyond, being smaller in stature.
by Big Bad , "VLAD"! on
Jan 6, 2009 5:03 PM PST
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Chone is the SPIRIT of the Angels
just yelling “FIGGGEEEEE” gets the entire stadium electrified.
there’s a saying for you figgy haters. I said it 2 yrs ago and the song remains the same
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby
by ladybug on
Jan 6, 2009 9:25 PM PST
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Figgy rules
If all healthy, he will bat #1 and Iz #2.
Don’t like it, then blame the guy who just signed up till 2015.
This is my story and I’m sticking with it.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
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Jan 7, 2009 3:57 AM PST
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