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One of the all-time Angel greats, and dark horse Hall of Famer Garret Anderson added to his legacy tonight with a 2nd inning single to make him the 89th player in MLB history to reach 2,500 hits.

Way to go, G.A. I miss having you around, man.

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It proves how underrated Angel players are in this league.

by eyespy on Oct 2, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After his 50 game 'roids suspension.

Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.

by AlanFalcon on Oct 2, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GA is a platoon player in Atlanta.

So it’s probably pretty close.

This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.

by halofan4life on Oct 2, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Saw a R.A. commercial earlier tonight

and it made me wonder how GA was doing, thanks for the update.

R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34

by Seik1177 on Oct 1, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

not even 100 players have achieved that mark. Good for you GA. If you were not so lazy you might have had 4,000 hits easily by now.

by eyespy on Oct 2, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Panther

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Oct 2, 2009 5:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If GA were a Yankee he would make the hall

but because he played for the Angels, he has no chance. Same reason Salmon never made an all star game. Same reason K-MO won’t win MVP.

RIP Nick. We will miss you!

by KingF15h on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

His only chance

is to get to 3,000 hits and thats just the way it is.

by ryanfea on Oct 2, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will the fact that he hasn't been linked to steroids

while playing in the steroid era, make his numbers look better? In the sense that they are honest numbers against potentially dishonest competitors, ie. Roger Clemens?

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Oct 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't kid yourself

Bernie Williams probably won’t make the Hall, and he was a much better player than Garret. Roy White was a better player. Jorge Posada is a much better player, and he might not make it, either. Do you think G.A. deserves to go before Don Mattingly? Willie Randolph? Graig Nettles?

The Yankees might have more players in the top 20 of their respective positions who have not made the Hall of Fame than any other team. It’s easy to assume that a pro-Yankee bias clouds HoF judgment, but it’s wrong.

(None of which is a slur on G.A., who is an all-time Angel, etc.)

by mattwelch on Oct 3, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I agree that Mattingly should be in, but I don’t agree that Bernie Williams was better than GA

RIP Nick. We will miss you!

by KingF15h on Oct 3, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bernie was a much better hitter, and he played center field

.297/.381/.477 vs. .295/.326/.465. That 55-point difference in on-base percentage is enormous, and Bernie had a bit more pop to boot. As a result, his lifetime OPS+ was 125 (same as Bobby Grich!), good enough for 158th all time since 1901 (minimum of 5,000 PAs); Garret’s OPS+ of 104 ranks him 497th, placing him next to such decidedly non-HOF material as Steve Finley and Brian Jordan.

Bernie scored 300 more runs, walked 600 more times, stole twice as many bases. G.A. drove in 100 more, and hit 70 more doubles.

For an 8-season span (1995-2002), Bernie never had a batting average less than .305, never had an OBP less than .391, never slugged less than .487, and never scored less than 93 runs. Garret, on the other hand, only hit higher than .305 twice, only slugged higher than .487 three times, his career high was 93 runs scored, and he never got remotely close to a .391 OBP (his career high was .345).

There are only 18 CFs with a higher OPS+ than Bernie Williams; of those 11 of the 15 eligible are in the Hall of Fame.

by mattwelch on Oct 3, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to oversimplify TOO much

but the statistical career difference between Derek Jeter and Garret Anderson is almost entirely in the “BB” column. Not to poo-poo the meaningfulness of that stat TOO much, but that’s pretty much THE big discrepancy to this point. And we all know in their primes that G.A. was a vastly superior defender, as well. Given their similarities, the discrepancy in their media coverage, public awareness, and “Hall of Fame considerations” amongst fans are completely FUBAR.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 3, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"almost entirely"?

Derek Jeter has a career batting average of .317. Only 42 players since 1901 with at least 5,000 plate appearances—and just two shortsops—have hit for a higher batting average. Garret Anderson has a batting average of .295; a full 166 players have done better than that, including 24 left-fielders alone. Considering that batting average is one of Garret’s chief strengths, he’s in trouble from the get-go.

Jeter’s .388 on-base percentage has been topped by just 75 players. Do you know where Garret Anderson is on that list? 637th. Right between the immortal Roy Hartzell and the sinking Alfonso Soriano. He’s 71st just among left-fielders, between Kevin McReynolds and Vince Coleman. This is in one of the two most important statistics in baseball.

Yes, Garret slugs slightly better, .465 to .459. BUT HE PLAYS LEFT FIELD. That .465 is good for 33rd on the list of left-fielders; Jeter’s .459, meanwhile, is 7th among shortstops. Every one of the top 16 slugging shortstops who is eligible for the Hall of Fame is in there.

And we’re not close to being done. Jeter, despite playing nine fewer game, has scored FIVE HUNDRED more runs. Garret’s 280 edge in RBI doesn’t begin to make that up. Jeter has stolen 305 bases at one of the highest rates in Major League history; Garret has stolen 79, and not particularly wel. Jeter has been hit by pitches 143 times; Garret just 8.

I love the guy too, but Jesus Christ.

by mattwelch on Oct 3, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

at the HBP remark…as if that’s relevant in the least.

Like I said, he’s better. But I don’t think markedly so…particularly when you compensate for park factor (and sorry, OPS+ does not accurately reflect park factor as much as it should…at least not on B-R, Coors Field is ample evidence of this if you’d like me to pull numbers), strike-zone size (biased, I know…but I don’t doubt for a second the shear volume of calls Jeter gets), or lineup presence (Jeter’s entire career spent surrounded by bigger lineup threats).

You also have to account for the fact that G.A.‘s averages are dragged down considerably by playing a few of his ’final years’ that Jeter has not yet had to. In fact, Jeter’s regression last year pulled down his averages substantially for his career (B.A. alone dropping FOUR points). If not for the current band box, those numbers would be continuing to regress (albeit not at the same rate as they did the year before). Removing the flukey arthritis G.A. has coped with, I’m confident they would have been neck-and-neck.

It’s more than a little dishonest to tell me Jeter has played “nine fewer games” without also noting that despite nine fewer, he’s had EIGHT-HUNDRED more plate appearances…a number that’s far more a result of their respective lineups than anything else. That’s about 1.25 SEASONS worth of baseball right there. Surely that puts a substantial dent in G.A.’s run deficiency, while also buoying the strength of his RBI total (1.25 seasons worth of G.A. RBIs is about 130; 1.25 seasons worth of his runs is about 85), to essentially negate that gap.

In those 800 fewer appearances, he has 61 more homers and 78 more doubles. At G.A.‘s career .295 average (and Jeter’s .317 will in all likelihood be closer to .310 by career’s end, as an aside), those 800 plate appearances (about 750 at-bats at G.A.‘s career pace for PA/AB ratio) translate to 221 hits. I’ll be fair and move it down to around 200. It doesn’t put him very far behind Jeter’s hit total. For his entire career, Jeter has only 29 total bases more than G.A (3,971 to 3,942)…this despite an additional 800 plate appearances? That’s rather staggering. It’s also a product of their ISOs. Jeter’s being .142, and G.A.’s being .170.

The only compelling argument is that of the position they play. And while this holds some weight, I’ve honestly never thought much of it. Surely people “expect” certain positions to do better than others at the plate, but that doesn’t mean much. If someone happens to be able to hit very well, as both men do, it’s not like the position they ended up spending most of their developing years at would somehow be a drawback to their continued success at the plate. Jeter grew up hitting well. He also grew up playing shortstop. This doesn’t make it somehow any more amazing that he can hit that well. He’s a hitter who got slotted in to play shortstop, not a shortstop who somehow, defying expectations, can hit. In fact, the very fact that for most of his career he’s been an (at-best) below-average shortstop belies this notion. Perhaps his skills would have been better utilized in an outfield role, where his slower reaction time would have been less exploited than at shortstop, in which case his offense goes more unnoticed. Nevermind that the last 15 years or so have bucked the historical trend of offensive-inept middle infielders, where we saw the likes of Nomar, A-Rod, Jeter, and Tejada all coming up at the exact same time. So while historically it appears significant, really all it amounts to is showing me that poor offensive players had a history of playing at shortstop, rather than showing me that we should somehow EXPECT the two to go hand-in-hand.

And, since it bears repeating, Jeter is just plain and simply a SHITTY fielder. The type who could legitimately cost games. Something that was never even close to true about G.A.

So, all things considered, is Jeter the better player? Yes. Find where I said otherwise. The simple point was NOT that they’re equals. It’s that the discrepancy between their nationwide exposure could not possibly be more out of whack with their statistical contribution on the field. And, as evidenced statistically, the BIGGEST discrepancy (in OPS, OPS+, R, and OBP) is due largely to their walk totals. And it’s important to note that I never said walks weren’t significant. You act like I said Jeter is a mediocre player or something. That’s never been the point in the least. He’ll go the the Hall (frankly, though I obviously have no substantiation, I think a career with the Royals would have made him a markedly different player, statistically, and in terms of notoriety), and he should, given the established standards.

Of course, given those established standards, about 70% of baseball should be following Phil Rizzuto to Cooperstown. ;-D

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, not "relevant in the least" to someone who doesn't care about getting on base

But in the world of winning baseball games, an extra 10 times on base per year matters, yes. As does the extra 22 points in batting average.

Give them each 680 plate appearances, and Jeter gets 1 more hit (in 40 fewer ABs), 4 more times reaching on base via error (a category he has often led the league in), 9 more HBPs, and 29 more walks. That’s 43 more times on base, which is bolstered by the 15 more stolen bases while getting caught just 2 more times. He does this while slugging just 6 percentage points less than G.A.

As for park factor, the old Yankee stadium was no Coors Field, particularly for right-handed hitters. Very quickly eyeballing the data, I don’t see much difference at all w/ the Big A.

And yes, it’s clear you’ve “honestly never thought much” about the fact that the same offense from a mediocre defensive shortstop is more valuable than the same offense from a good-fielding left-fielder, because otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Adam Dunn and Albert Belle and Greg Luzinski cannot play shortstop, period. Therefore, the offensive talent pool at SS is much more shallow, making LF-caliber offense more valuable.

This would be true if Jeter and G.A. were offensive equals. They’re not; Jeter is much better. And though Rizzuto probably wouldn’t make my Hall, he’d get there a century before I’d even think of G.A.

by mattwelch on Oct 4, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phil Rizzuto would make your "hall" before G.A.?

Good lord, why am I even having a discussion with someone who thinks that.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 4, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I don't consider HBP to be 'relevant'

is because this is an argument about a player’s abilities. And I don’t classify getting HBP to be an ‘ability’ in the least. Some players crowd the plate more than others…either as a necessity for their reach, or as a matter of comfort, or whatever other reason. G.A. wasn’t NOT getting hit by pitches because he was incapable of unwilling to do so. He just moved out of the fucking way, or didn’t hang over the plate. Hell, Jeter’s life-long obsession with hanging over the plate is half the reason he gets so many calls…any pitch over the plate that he can pretend to jump out of the way of is all of a sudden a ball. But, again, that doesn’t mean NOT getting hit is somehow indicative of a single thing. It’s like telling me someone’s not a good fielder because the balls never hit to him.

And you took my “honestly never thought much” line so ridiculously out of context. It’s not that I “haven’t thought about it.” To the contrary, I have thought about it, and have more or less disregarded it (i.e. I don’t “think much of it.”), as I don’t see its intrinsic value necessarily…ESPECIALLY in a case where we’re discussing a shortstop who has been a DETRIMENT to his team by playing at his position. No, Adam Dunn couldn’t play shortstop. And while Jeter isn’t as bad as Dunn would be, that he’s been statistically billed as “probably the least effective defensive player in the major leagues, at any position,” pretty much negates the idea that there is any fairness to saying Jeter has value as a defensive-capable shortstop who can hit. Can he hit? Yeah, no doubt about it (as could G.A. with that lineup protection). But can he play shortstop? Sure, if you’re willing to have him routinely cost your team hits and runs.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 4, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love GA

It cannot be overstated how important GA was and is to the Angels organization. So glad to see this post made it on the site and kinda surprised the angels official site didn’t have a shoutout.

by UrbanoLugo on Oct 2, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As long as I post here

G.A. news will never be in short-supply.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 2, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome news! Saw this while at Hooters last night...

good times. Free wings, 2,500 hits. I WIN!

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Oct 2, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Congrats GA.....

If I wasnt so lazy, I’d put more down.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Congtrats GA!!!!!!!

:)

"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc

by Figgi4life on Oct 3, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Garret, I was too lazy to notice.

Hey Ian Kinsler -- Get the F off OUR field!

by PieceOfAase on Oct 4, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I noticed G.A.'s 2500th hit the other day.

I know keeping GA was impractical and it was time for both sides to move on, but damn, I still miss him, congrats to my favorite Halo!!!

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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