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"The Angels offered outfielder Bobby Abreu a two-year contract extension for about $16 million, SI.com has learned. However, Abreu did not accept the offer and is believed to be looking for more after helping to lead the Angels to the ALCS against the Yankees." LINK

What do you guys think? How much is Abreu worth and how many years?

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I hear you...

the Vlad syndrome.

by figgifig on Oct 15, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was the last 38 year old to steal 30 bags?

Rickey?

If Bobby’s 38…hes doing fine.

Do it for Nick '09

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Oct 15, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

$16-20

Two years for $16-20 is going to be the market value for him. Didn’t he just say how much he LOVES this team and wants to return? So take the $16 then, Bobby.

My biggest fear is Bay becomes too expensive for Boston, and they then grab Abreu to play LF for two years.

: (

by Sethy on Oct 15, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're probably really high on him right now too

Right after he made their pitching his bitch.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Oct 16, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

i can’t believe he didn’t take that offer…
i think it was a fair deal. I don’t think he’s worth more money. we should spend that kind of money for Figgy or Lackey

Angels 2009 WS Champs

by dan73962 on Oct 15, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Leaning your way

We have too many free agents this off-season to be throwing money around. Lackey, Figgins, Vlad, Oliver. I gotta be missing someone else.

by Sethy on Oct 15, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

All things considered, what they’ve offered is more than fair. Great guy for the team or not, if he really likes the Angels, there’s nothing wrong with it. If he’s all about greed, then see ya later.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 for 16 seems fair

Maybe throw in some production based incentives that will raise it to 20

by Epic Dean on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Wonder if there were any incentives in the Angel’s 2/16 offer?

by hbhalofan on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

  I think if he deserves more then put it in incentives. 2 years is the right amount though.

by Nashdiesel on Oct 15, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

incentives are neat

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 15, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fingers crossed

i hope he stays and he’s probably worth at least 18-20 mil, but it was the first offer. it’s negotiations. we’ll see if he continues being awesome in the ALCS and they bump it up a few mil.

by daze on Oct 15, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Burrell got 2/18

And Abreu is a hell of a lot more useful than Burrell, even if he’s older. However, something like 2/20 makes me nervous, since it doesn’t leave a lot of room for Abreu to decline due to age. There’s no guarantee he’ll have two more years as good as this last one.

I don’t think Abreu is going to get much better than what the Angels are offering. There are a lot of OF/DH/1B types on the market, and some of them will go cheap. Can’t blame the guy for wanting to try the market though.

by Suboptimal on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand. Why would the Angels break their policy of waiting until the offseason to negotiate?

Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.

by AlanFalcon on Oct 15, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because interest is clearly very mutual in this case

All the same, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out this is a hoax rumor.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a bad offer

but i think he will fetch 2years at $20 mill. if he has a great ALCS and World Series his price would go up. on the other hand…..well there is no other hand because he is going to have a good ALCS and World Series.

Pay the man he has been nothing but positive

R.I.P. Nick, you are missed!

by P237 on Oct 15, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a fair offer, especially since he says that he wants to stay with the team. I think if they offer it to him after the season…he takes it.

by gohalos912 on Oct 15, 2009 9:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bobby is probably looking for an Ibanez type contract

The money may not be the issue, but Bobby probably wants one additional guaranteed year.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think its a fair offer

He’s getting old. Might be a big mistake to pay him $10 mil/ year.

But remember, Jon Heymoron wrote this article. You know, the same guy who wrote that an “anonymous scout” said that the Angels wouldn’t win a game against the Sox.

I wouldn’t trust him. Just wait and see, if Bobby’s not ready to sign then hes not ready to sign.

by TheAntiSox on Oct 15, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem

With Abreu turning down the offer for now. He has every right to negotiate for the best deal.

by ryanfea on Oct 15, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He will be 36 years old next year. His defense will only get worse, so I’d say around 2 years $15M-$18M is about right. Doesn’t hurt him to see if someone will give him a third year at that annual salary. Can always fall back on the Angels offer or something close to it at worst case.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Oct 15, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A moderate raise???

Even discounting all the zeros at the end (more than any of us will ever see in our life), $6M to $8M is a 33% raise.

I’d LOVE to get a 33% annual raise.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 15, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be realistic

Would you love the 69% paycut he received prior to that?

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Oct 16, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Oct 16, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Comparing athletes salaries to ours always gets under my skin

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Oct 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope we don't lose Bobby

Bobby is worth more than the offer and rightully turned it down. He made 6 million this year and the offer is only for 8 million a year, at best a moderate raise (hell Matthews is making more than 10 million sitting on the bench).

Raise the offer to 20-22 million for 2 years maybe throw in an option for another year. We do not want to lose Bobby!

by kbrown on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I was Arte / Tony / Mike

I wouldn’t want to pay Abreu for what he’s done this year – with a younger player perhaps, but not for a guy who will be hitting his mid 30s.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what?

You do realize that what he’s done is valued at well over twice what he made this year, right? Yeah $20 million might be a bit high, but there really isn’t a price on how valuable Abreu’s been for this team. No more than 2 years, but I hope Reagins does the right thing and keeps him on!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 15, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three letter: GMJ

Overpaying scares me.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GMJ had a career year amidst a bunch of general crappiness and got overpaid

Abreu has had an above-average year for him amidst a bunch of general awesomeness over the course of his career.

That, and I didn’t see that the Halos had offered Abreu $55 million over 5 years!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 16, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then don't sign Marlin Byrd

But don’t let that stop you from signing consistent, outstanding players who really fit in well with the team.

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 16, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You missed that I was joking?

Seriously, $20-22MM for two years of his time. He deserves it.

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Oct 16, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he does.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 16, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good opening offer, IMO

and probably a fair one. i don’t think it’s the years that are the problem (no way he’s getting more than 2 years ANYWHERE), it’s the money.

i’d go for a 2 year, $20MM deal, with incentives that could push it up another $1-2MM per year.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 15, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess he doesnt love this organization THAT much...

he could accept. Thats a solid deal for a guy his age.

Do it for Nick '09

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Oct 15, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point about his lasting influence.

However, I remember someone else on HH suggesting we sign him for a couple more years, then keep him on as hitting coach. I really like that idea. That way he can continue to influence new players as they come up. Maybe the Orioles will hire Hatcher as their manager, so Sosh won’t have to feel bad about letting him go.

This season is my best chance to get called out of the stands to pitch.

by Rally Manatee on Oct 15, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets make a groundbreaking deal

3 years $25 million but in the last year the angels have the option of making him a coach. Any takers?

by BruinHalo on Oct 15, 2009 11:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I'd take that

Still seems a bit high, and he’d probably be started off as a roving instructor in the minors or an assistant to Hatcher, but otherwise sounds good.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 16, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very creative, I love it.

Doubt that Abreu’s ready to consider stepping down as a player though, even if all the rest of us think he’ll be through after a couple more years.

Make it a player option and he’d take it, but would we?

Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.

by AlanFalcon on Oct 16, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

Either 2 years 20 million, or 3 years 27 million? Offer him both and let him pick his preference.

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 16, 2009 6:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh

Why would anyone choose to take 7 million dollars less?

We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s

by Higz on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

guaranteed money............

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 16, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or...

$1M more per year….

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 16, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this is NEW news,

it’s the first act of several necessary for the FA situation to be decided for the 2010 team. If the news is real, the offer won’t change; he will take it, or leave it….no negotiations.

The Angels have succeeded in setting a precedent they want to continue: that of making a “fair” offer which will be accepted or rejected in a reasonable time (Hunter, Teixeira).

If Abreu walks, it will make decisions regarding Vlad and TEvans less complicated.

I personally vote for Vlad and TEvans.

by wumbug on Oct 16, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t TonyReagins JUST SAY aw eek ago that no offers have been or will be made to players until AFTER the postseason is over???? Gee, I wonder if it might get in the heads of Lackey and Vladdy to find out Abreu was offered a contract before either of them? The article is bullshit meant to fuck with the Angels.

by firebird81 on Oct 16, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't beleive it

The club has made it clear they do not negotiate during the season. Media making up a story to fill the space between games.

Plus the club has made a habit of making its best offer upfront & that doesn’t sound like its best offer.

R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34

by Seik1177 on Oct 16, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a fucking weak offer

I hope they did not insult him.

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A Low Offer

It seems strange that the Halos would give this kind of offer at this point in the offseason.

If you’re Bobby why would you give up Free Agency for an offer that is at best “fair.” If you’re Reagins, and you want to keep Bobby out of Free Agency, you are going to have to overpay. You would be overpaying him and in effect blowing him away with an offer that would induce him to avoid the uncertainties of free agency.

I also gotta laugh at all the fans who gripe that Bobby says he wants to stay with the Angels, so he should take this deal. Really???!! This could be the last contract he signs as a ballplayer, and you think he should take a lowball offer just because he likes California, likes his teammates and like the Angel style of ball. Give me a break. Which one of us, would forgo the opportunity to make 3-4 million dollars more for sentimental reasons?

In the end, Abreu will get 2 years at 10-12 million with incentives and a mutual option year.

What makes Abreu more valuable than Vlad is that the guy actually knows the strike zone. Vlad is used to hacking, and he will probably always be a hacker. The problem with this is that as Vlad gets older and his reflexes and body gets slower, he won’t be able to hit all of those balls out of the strike zone. Those are pitches that Abreu never tried to hit in the first place.

Where you will see a downward trend with Bobby is in the power numbers. Looking at his numbers you see a decline in his doubles and homers. That trend will continue, but he’ll still be a clutch hitter, albeit, one who hits more singles and walks more.

It’s fine to say, that the Angels shouldn’t overpay Abreu, but then who is your right fielder? Gary Matthews? Reggie Willits? Terry Evans? The Angels are not going to try to sign either Bay or Holliday. Both of those guys would cost far more money that they are willing to wrap up in Abreu. Moreover, both of those guys will receive love from NY and Boston, so it will be hard to compete with that kind of cash. When it comes down to it, we might have no other choice, but to moderately overpay for Abreu.

At this point, all of the Angel Free Agents want to test free agency. Lackey is likely gone since he has the most market value and someone is going to overpay for him. Moreover, the Angels picked up Kazmir with the understanding that he would be insurance in the event of Lackey’s departure. Figgins is also gone, since he’s a legit leadoff man and those guys rarely are on the market. Of the Angel free agents Abreu might be the one who the Angels have the best chance at retaining. The nightmare scenario is if the Angels retain none of their Free Agents. It’s a prospect that I don’t want to think about. Moreover, with the Angels in the ALCS, why not enjoy the moment and not think about the future. After all, the present is pretty awesome.

by righteous halo on Oct 16, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who Knows?

It’s fine to say, that the Angels shouldn’t overpay Abreu, but then who is your right fielder? Gary Matthews? Reggie Willits? Terry Evans?

RF: GMJr, TEvans, Vlad, JRivera, Figgins, KMorales, Abreu?

LF: Willits, Figgins, Pettit, Holliday, Bay, CCrawford, Quinlan?

Everyone here has their own thoughts and wishes, but I think we’ve got lots of options and trade scenarios. Lots of balls being juggled here.

It does seem very odd that this “news” story would come out late yesterday.

by wumbug on Oct 16, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

FTW

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 16, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Years

and 22 mil is what he will get

by CaptainCarlos on Oct 16, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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