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What should we do with 40 Million Dollars?

What should the Angels do with 40 million dollars leaving the payroll?

Guerrero:  15,000,000
Lackey: 10,000,000
Escobar: 10,000,000
Figgins:  5,776,000
Abreu: 5,000,000
Oliver:  3,665,000
Quinlan:  1,100,000

Here is a list of Potential FA for 2010:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html

In terms of notable positions I think OF, SP and RP are the highest priorities.

Lackey, Abreu and Oliver help fill positional needs.  I'd like to see either Holliday or Bay as well and another reliever Billy Wagner?

Looks like the payroll is going to have to increase if improving the team from this year is the goal.

Anyone like anybody else on the list?

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I’d like to see either Holliday or Bay..

.

No Holliday and no Bay. Holliday is represented by Boras and Arte won’t go there, and Bay will be the object of a bidding war between the Red Sox and Yankees (too rich for our blood).

What else you got?

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think any Boras client is untouchable for us

We, as in our front office, is not going to ignore a player just because they are represented by Boras. If anything, I think the team’s relationship is better with him after Nick’s murder and the handling by Boras as well. Some of the burnt bridges from Teixiera dealings are probably rebulit.

This is just my take. None of us are really privy to the mindset of out front office though.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the main thing when dealing with Boras is simply to be careful

He’s a slick weasel who prides himself on getting way more money for his clients than they will ever be worth with obscure stats and double talk. I think the part about the Tex dealings that bugged me was it looked like he only got a top offer from the Angels in order to shop it, since Tex’s wife made it clear to him she wanted to move back east. If I’m a GM, I feel used after that.
The trick, I suppose, is to have a set top offer decided in advance and just be ready should you reach it and Boras says “you aren’t even close” to just shake his hand and say “have a great day” and walk away, even as he plays the used car salesman game of “well, there was a young couple of your rival owners in here this morning kicking the tires on my client and, gosh, they looked real interested”. Don’t forget that his favorite tactic is to get owners to bid against themselves.

by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I'm a GM...

I don’t feel bad about the whole Texeria thing…

The Yankees are my oppononets, if Boras takes my offer and uses it to drive up the price they’re going to pay for a player, then that’s fine. It hurts the Yanks in the long run. Even they have a budget, although it’s twice what anyone else’s budget is. If the Angels hadn’t made the offer they did, maybe the Yanks get Tex for less which means they have that much more to spend on someone else, or reinvest in their scouting or minor league system.

As someone else mentioned above, Arte’s strat is to make an offer that he thinks is fair, put a time limit on it and if it doesn’t work then move on. If the time limit expires, that doesn’t mean the player is shut out, it just means the Angels are now focusing on someone else. If the player decides after the time limit that he wants to take the Angels original offer, maybe they’ll agree, maybe they’ll cut the offer. Look at how the Lakers handeled the Lemar Odom deal. They put out an offer, put a time limit on it, Lamar shopped around, time limit expired, Larmar shopped some more, then came back and took the original offer. No hard feelings on either side.

The main thing is to make a fair offer but don’t get saddled with an albatross contract.

by Jietoh on Oct 27, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't about being "untouchable"

The simple fact is that Boras likes to drag negotiations out for weeks and weeks, extracting every last penny from the bidders. That’s fine, but it is 180 degrees removed from Arte’s style, which is to blitz with an offer and put a time limit on it.

Adenhart has nothing to do with it. Nobody is saying Boras is evil, but simply that the way he does business is anathema to Moreno’s style. Arte won’t stick around for 3 or 4 weeks while Boras shops the Angels’ offer to other clubs, beats it, then comes back for a re-bid. Arte hates having his offer shopped, which is what happened with Teixeira. It happens with all Boras clients; the two men’s styles are simply contradictory.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

This appears to be exactly right.

Arte offers whats he believes is a fair contract, maybe not top of the market, but damn close.

If a player (like Teixeira) is looking for absolutuely top dollar, they are unlikely to sign-on with the Angels.

by sothball on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

True enough

Remember, the Red Sox thought they had a deal in principle with Teixeira, only to get backdoored by the Yankees.

Arte just doesn’t function well in an environment than that. For that matter, neither did John Henry.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

A small market team...

… we are not.

We don’t exactly print money like the Yanks do, but I would NEVER count the Angels out in regards to giving top dollar to a position player they feel would be a good fit.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Just not entirely accurate.

Look at the premiere free agents the Angels signed:

*Guerrero fell into their laps at the 11th hour, signing with the Angels (A) because he didn’t feel comfortable playing in Baltimore or NYC [Mets], the two franchise cities which were in the final consideration, and (B) because Arte spoke to Vlad on the phone in fluent Spanish, which made the shy Guerrero feel comfortable. He apparently signed for less money with the Angels than the top dollar bid he received from East Coast teams.

*Hunter signed a deal which was rich but had an expiration date on it like a jug of milk. Take it or leave it was the gist of the offer.

*GMJ chose between the Angels and Giants, and Stoneman knew his ace in the hole was Matthews’ desire to live close to his son in SoCal (Northridge). That deal was sewn up quickly.

Other players (Teixeira, Kornerko, etc) decided that they preferred more money or greener pastures, but in both cases the negotiations dragged on and on. Arte seems to have learned that his style is to make an offer which the team considers fair and essentially bottom-line, and let it sit only for a brief period of time.

Meanwhile, the Yanks and Sox will fight over Bay like dogs over a pork chop, and that is the sort of fray Moreno detests.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

All very good points….

however….

the angels have definately established themselves as a perennial postseason powerhouse like the Braves in the 90’s. Sure we havent had the best postseason luck, but players everywhere know that if they come here, they will still be playing in october.

That said, our winning enviroment + weather/location = ideal destination for players. Especially players from latin countries who feel particularly at home in LA.

I agree the Angels arent likely to get into bidding wars this summer, but the angels will definately target some good players.

i really dont think Lackey will be coming back after the great post season he had, and the lack of faith scioscia showed him.

I predict we will get an outfielder, a sp, and a quality setup man,

In Kobe we trust!

by robi s on Oct 27, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If GA weren't so lazy he'd FLY the plane back

This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.

by halofan4life on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree.

This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.

by halofan4life on Oct 26, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vlad 2 years 10 mill
Lackey 3 years w/ 4th option at 15 mill
Figgy 3 years w/ 4th option at 9 mill (small overpay)
Bay – 4 years at 13
Q- 2 years 1.5 mill
 
Move Rivera to RF, Bay in Left
Figgy at 3b
Trade Wood + Catcher for Top end reliever that we can keep long term
That is 48.5 mill (on average)

Quit Bitching about Wood not playing, The guy does deserve his shot but quit pretending that we have Willie Mays riding the pine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 26, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Q is happy you're the only one thinking about his contract.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

ROFL

This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.

by halofan4life on Oct 26, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quinlan

Sorry Robb will be starting in KC next year.

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, what?

Trade Brandon Wood for a top-end reliever?

A top end RELIEVER? Who do you have in mind? 1996 Mariano Rivera? I can’t think of anyone in baseball who pitches 1 inning every 3 nights who I would trade for in a package including Wood.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Oct 27, 2009 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand you.

People complain about the bullpen constantly.

Without a good pen, a decent 7 inning outing by a top of the line starter, with reasonable run support can still blow up.

Relievers are part of the game, even if they only pitch a few innings every other day or so. We need them, we need to pay them, and we need to do better than we have sometimes. Think if Oliver were able to get out the Yanks in that explosive 6 run inning. Think if Lackey could trust that someone was coming in when he tired and was able to keep up the same level of performace. That is gold.

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by matthiasstephan on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Need a Bullpen

Nolan Ryan once said that he pitched complete games in his time with the Angels, because he didn’t trust the bullpen could keep the game close when he was losing or hold the score, when he was winning. Arson Squad Bullpen.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gee, thanks

I didn’t know what a bullpen was for…now I feel so enlightened.

No one said we don’t need bullpen help, buddy. I just said there’s no reliever out there worth trading for in a package centered around our top prospect.

And of all the relievers you can single out for not being able to hold a lead, you bring up Darren? The man was GOLD for us all year…he had one shaky, particularly shitty relief appearance in the playoffs (and he was really good in the playoffs otherwise), and now it’s ‘imagine if he could get guys out?’ Our bullpen wasn’t very good in the first half of this season in spite of Oliver, not because of him.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 28, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget.

Shields is back from knee surgery next year.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only picked the example ...

because it was fresh and showed how important a reliable arm can be. Oliver is nails, and I want us to resign him. I want to replace Speier (well, who Speier was supposed to be), and I feel that if we keep Figgy, then Wood has to go anyway. If we don’t make room for Wood ourselves, then keeping him in AAA diminishes his value in the eyes of others, so it is best to move him. Getting a good reliever would be a great return for a top prospect (we are not talking sure thing, just prospects, even if he is our top one).

My main objection was the way you referred to the pen. Trading for someone “who pitches 1 inning every 3 nights”, is a certainly derogatory way to talk about the pen. The value is not how often they pitch, but how much you can count on them to come in and get the guy you need out. The role is more valuable, and in a different way, than the way you presented it here (and it isn’t you specifically, I see that argument a lot, which is why it got to me).

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by matthiasstephan on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't derogatory statement toward the bullpen

it was giving a point of reference between what was being suggested as a trade. The value of our #1 hitting prospect is not something that can be made as the centerpiece of a package for mere relief help, short of that reliever being someone extraordinary…and right now, ‘extraordinary’ relief options available for trade are few and far between…making the man we’d be trading for little more than a complimentary piece. Look what we’ve traded for past bullpen pieces: guys like Jose Molina, Alexi Casilla, Dusty Bergman, and Alberto Callaspo. Those four guys COMBINED aren’t worth Brandon Wood.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your initial post...

seemed shocked at the idea of trading for a reliever, ignoring the idea of it being a ‘top-end reliever’. Maybe there isn’t one available (or that we know might be available), but that was the idea that was floated.

Can you not imagine anyone out there that would be worth a package including Brandon Wood??

Heath Bell, Soria? No one?

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by matthiasstephan on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ignored the idea of it being a top-end reliever?

Really?

I’m sorry, what?
Trade Brandon Wood for a top-end reliever?

A top end RELIEVER? Who do you have in mind? 1996 Mariano Rivera?

I mentioned it TWICE in my first two sentences in the initial post, quoted above.

It’s not that I don’t value relief pitching…it’s what is being suggested we trade to get it that I take issue with. Reliet pitching is valuable to be sure…but Heath Bell (whom I’ve been following since he was a Mets prospect, and would wait for a longer track record before giving away our future slugger at 3B plus more) and Joakim Soria aren’t what we would be trading for. We’d be trading for the difference between Soria and Bulger or Bell and Jepsen. Men can be found to eat late innings that aren’t going to cost one of the top prospects in baseball. And the effectiveness of the men most likely available on the market isn’t so far above and beyond what we have in-house that we should give up something of that sort to get it. Particularly with Shields coming back, Oliver potentially available for a season, Bulger and Jepsen coming into their own, and with Arredondo a distinct possibility to get things straight again. Like I said…the price of relief help in the past has been B- or C+ level prospects, or 2nd string major leaguers…not Brandon Freakin’ Wood.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry

but your money contract/money is not even close.

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not too thrilled by the 2010 free agent class.

Other than our guys that we might lose. And I don’t really mind if they go either. Holliday seems like a NL guy. And Bay is ok but overrated by being a Red Suck.

Maybe next year will be the year to see who steps up when given a chance out of our minor leagues. Could be scary too though. Lots of chances this year. And honestly, at this point, I think Sean O’Sullivan or Trevor Bell or Matt Palmer is probably a better choice than all those pitchers besides Lackey.

Happy Birthday to the ground!

by Monkeyspanked on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

if we loose Lackey

i hope Toronto puts Halladay on the market and we are able to land him. if it means giving up one of the three(Weaver, Saunders, Santana).

leave our young pitchers at 3A and let them develop some more. i don’t think there ready yet.

Maybe take a risk on Harden. when he’s healthy he is a capable ace. idk

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten that Escobar got 10 mil this past year

…for basically doing nothing. Wow, where do I sign up for that gig? lol

by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I would take 10%.

Basically Quinlan money.

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by matthiasstephan on Oct 28, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh cool ... like "KARR", who was KITT's evil twin brother/car thing

*British accent: “Yankees suck my ball bearings Michael”

by Red on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does a British accent sound like exactly?

England, Scotland, Wales – all entirely different countries with different accents.

It’s kind of like me saying someone from Mexico City has a North American accent – it makes no sense.

I see red people

by The Limey on Oct 27, 2009 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guy Ritchie has put this steriotype in my head.

Sorry didn’t mean to offend anyone from the UK :(

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is well documented that everyone in Britain speaks like Eric Idle.

Nobody in Britain speaks like Sean Connery, because he is Scottish. Nor like John Rhys-Davies, because he is Welsh. But way back in the medieval times, everybody throughout the British Isles spoke like this guy.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 29, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

The surfer Brit!

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

KITT/KARR didn't have a british accent.

He had an upper-crust New England accent.

Voiced by William Daniels (Dr. Mark Craig, or Mr. Feeny for you younger types).

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

So let the multiple offseason fanposts begin!

Holliday is a must, better hitter than bay thats for sure. Id be down for Vlad, Holliday, and Abreu taking up the 40 mil. With potentially trading Juan and Naps (among others) for Roy Halladay, due to Lackey leaving us for the Doyers.

34 open the door...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I've heard some crazy shit

… but getting Roy F’n Halladay for juancho and napoli is perhaps the most batshit thing i’ve heard in awhile.

And if that happens, I will personally buy you a steak dinner at Flemmings.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't take it!

Flemmings is nowhere near as good as Fleming’s.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhh....

Cizzler would be my second offer… you don’t want to go there, trust me.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next they'll be offering burgers at Tammy's

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or hot dogs at Punk's.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey maybe there is a chance

I haven’t heard all of the details and am just speculating but if the Divorce ends up anything like the Padres owner it may end up being a total break down of the team in LA doyertown

by RedAces on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

hah, deal.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your thinking

The two things we needed most this post-season were a middle of the order RH hitter and a shut-down ace like Halladay.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I would love a 1-2 punch.

trading for Halladay would only replace Lackey. So maybe Weav continues to become a co-ace. And we need Santana to fulfill his potential more than any other pitcher. Can you imagine Halladay/Weav/Santana when hes on. P.S. Just won a cool 130 monies on NFL games.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers?

Lackey to the Dodgers? Dude what the F%$# are you smoking?!

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

dodgers REALLY need a rotation

their rotation is shit right now.

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 27, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lackey and Padilla in the same rotation. LOLcats

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by 44FAN on Oct 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

54 million, actually

according to Cots, we have 59.5ish million in committed money next year, and had a payroll of 113 this year…and you have to think we’ll keep about the same payroll.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 26, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Aroldis Chapman

should be our number 1 priority

by 3eyes on Oct 26, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions  

He is a big "if"

A lot of teams will be courting him in the off season (i believe the yankees already wined and dined him during an ALCS game).

I’m very interested in where he lands, and it would be a pleasent surprise if he winds up on the Angels… maybe kendry can tell him how great it is out here on the left coast?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wants 40-60 million

I don’t think he should make more than Strasbourg, nobody that unproven should command that much money.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one unproven should be making 7 figures

money taints the game enough as is…having it taint the last remaining portion of the game in which the playing field is level for small market teams is just an awful way to completely destroy the last part of the game that allows others to compete.

These guys want money? Prove you’re worth it. There’s plenty of time to prove you deserve the game. I’m an aspiring writer in T.V. and film. I have a couple of 15 minutes shorts written right now. Should I submit those, and based on them demand the studio give me $1.5 million for my screenplay, sight unseen, if they want to have a chance that I’ll produce? Fuck no.

Does a summa cum laude guy with a B.A. in business and a couple internships get to demand 6 figures at his first job based on his 3.9 GPA? Fuck no.

You want money, prove you deserve it. Screw the agents turning that around.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

T.V. and Film?

have you seen Oldboy?

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it really the best movie to come out of Korea?

that movie was good shit.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

you just ruined the movie for me

loved it

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the rest of his revenge trilogy?

Alright I’ll try to get my hands on it.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to develop more pitches. He cant rely on blowing people away all the time.

but its a high risky high reward type a deal with him.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh oh, I have an idea

we can wave 40 million dollars in front of the texas rangers while they attempt to make payroll

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

BAHAHA

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really want a real closer

can you imagine if somehow and not impossible we could land Holliday and resign Lackeys big bucks.
Let Figgy walk and resign Guerrero and Abreu for a lil less $.

1) Aybar SS
2) Abreu RF
3) Hunter CF
4) Holliday LF
5) Guerrero DH
6) Morales 1B
7) Wood 3B
8) Kendrick 2B
9) Mathis C

Lackey, Weaver, Saunders, Santana, Kazmir

I would wet in my pants

Am I aiming too high?

by RedAces on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Expect half of what you want is reasonable.

But maybe this ALCS gets Arte going, therefore trying harder for Big FA’s. Kind of like after the 05 ALCS, if anyone remembers. We made offers to Soriano, Zito, Konerko, J.D. Drew.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting the top FA hitter and top FA starting pitcher

in the same off-season is stuff only the Yankees can do (and absorb if things end up badly). I love Big John, but as many others here have pointed out, some team is going to overpay him and give him the Burnett deal he wants. And Holliday probably isn’t going to be worth the money he will command. We have a solid rotation already, might as well take a chance on someone like Bedard and save our money for next winter and the likes of Roy Halladay, and though it pains me to say it, Josh Beckett if we still feel we need an “ace.”

by Bly-lovin on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Lackey deserves just about as much as Burnett

Some teams will not balk at meeting his price tag. Now is not the time to get thrifty because the Angels are so close to being in the WS. If a certain closer gets the job done in Game 2 and if we had a guy like Halladay pitching 2-3 during the series instead of Kazmir or Saunders the angels would have gotten over the edge

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He deserves more than Burnett

because he’s proven more than Burnett, IMO.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biggsy had a good point last nite on The Drive

It’s not so much that tge Skanks can outbid everyone, but that they skew the market for the remaining FA’s.

For example, “Burnett money” is now what? 5/82? Whereas if he had signed elsewhere, the market would be much lower.

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by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

and get a reliever, any reliever who doesn't wince in the late innings.

resigning big john is #1.
he’s the top pitcher on the market so will probably go first, thus setting the market and the players for whoever is next.

sign holliday #2.
put him in LF. bat him in between hunter and kendry.

be willing to let figgy go if he wants more money and the cubs or ny mess overpay for him. aybar can lead off and if they land a holliday, they can afford to groom wood on an everyday basis provided he plays a decent 3B.

offer to resign vladdy and abreu. i doubt too much will be made of either of them beyond one year. for abreu maybe because he isn’t injury prone. vladdy is, but hey, he’s our vladdy and if he’s willing to fill out his career as a DH, i can’t see him going back to the NL, and if the halos can sign holliday, vladdy would make a nice #6 hitter after hunter, holliday and kendry. imagine that, vladimir guerrero is your #6 hitter. that sounds like a potent lineup to me.

by SoCalCMH on Oct 27, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Napoli?

And Rivera? These guys are too good for the bench.

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by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 27, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

where does

rivera and his cute streaks play??

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Throwing away Rivera isn't gonna happen

      and I doubt we’re gonna get Lackey back here. I don’t think Holliday is out of the question, Rivera in RF and Abreu at DH.

by Nashdiesel on Oct 27, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abreu, Saito, Matsui, Bedard would be nice

I think Abreu will end up coming back for slightly more than the $16 million / 2 year deal that we apparently offered him recently and which he rejected. Saito is a FA and while no longer the dominant force he was with the Dodgers, it looks like he’s healthy and I’d much rather have him close next year and make sure Fuentes doesn’t finish 55 games in 2010, which would make his $9 million option for 2011 vest. I’m thinking Matsui’s inability to play the field this year will keep his price depressed and he could end up being an Abreu-like bargain next year. He’d obviously be risky, but an incentive laden deal to Bedard with a club option for 2011 might pay off handsomely. And I’m thinking all four of these guys can be had for under $30 million next year.

by Bly-lovin on Oct 26, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I kinda like how your thinking

I like Abreu, Saito, and Matsui for sure.

I really like the thinking of not getting Fuentes the option

by RedAces on Oct 26, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, and if we do sign Saito

then Fuentes could slide over and take Darren Oliver’s spot as the left-handed handyman able to take care of multiple tasks in the pen. And I don’t think Saito would cost much more than Oliver.’

by Bly-lovin on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shields crumbles in high-pressure situations

Also sometimes he would come out of the bullpen and do his best K-rod impression.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shields>Fuentes

Not saying his shit is unhittable, but If Shields pitched for us this ALCS we might still be playing. Not to mention Dondos shitty play this year. I dont know I guess I like Shields postseason experience.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuentes

would just be an over paid middle relief man. 48 saves and an all star appearance and the guy should be in the pen? c’mon!!

me and the wonder dog got high!

by YOUknowulovetheIE on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

He seems more suited for the 7th or 8th inning

good thing he is only signed through next year.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK here goes, sorry in advance for the long post

Sign
1.Lackey
2.Holliday
3.Wagner or another quality reliever
3.Bobby
4.Vladdy
5.Beltre
6.Ollie

Dump
Figgy

Trade
Wood+Johnny+Reckling+1 or two more prospects for Halladay

Lineup
1.Aybar
2.Bobby
3.Holliday
4.K-mo
5.Torii
6.Vladdy
7.Beltre
8. HK
9. mathpoli

Rotation
1.Halladay
2.Lackey
3.Weaver
4/5 KAZ/Saundo/Voodoo

I figure Arte bumps up the payroll because he will be hungrier than ever to win a ring after coming up just short against the Yanquis. If they fail to sign at least one of the premier free-agents this year, then the MFY or bahston will, and we know what happened after he came up just short of CC’s and Tex’s asking price.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Mathpoli? Does that mean they do a fusion dance like in DBZ?

I would love a Roy Halladay to the Angels trade, but we held onto Wood for so long now its only right to give him a shot at 3B. And I probably wouldnt trade Reckling or Walden away either. Maybe Will Smith? And I really dont like Beltre at 3B.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

next year.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Next year?

Then would it be worth giving up players for some for 1 year?

Might be best just to wait til he is a free agent, but then you would have to bid against the Yankees and the Red sox for him……

On second thought, Trading for him and then trying to keep him does not sound bad.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

DBZ! lulz

I figure you are around my age(early 20’s)

Anyway I like Beltre because of his awesome defense and he is a decent RH bat(not great) that will be available at a bargain(like bobby). We need at least one more RH hitter to counter guys like Lester, Sabathia, etc… Holliday would be great in the 3 spot because he hits for average, some power and can steal a base.

I don’t see Wood starting at 3rd next year. I think if Soth had any confidence in him he would have played him a bit this year like K-Mo in years past. Soth probably thinks something is not right with that kid.

Toronto on the other hand needs a SS, LF, C, Pitching all things they can satisfy with a Halladay trade.

NA 34

by blochead on Oct 27, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope
I don’t see Wood starting at 3rd next year. I think if Soth had any confidence in him he would have played him a bit this year like K-Mo in years past. Soth probably thinks something is not right with that kid.

You’re simply not paying attention to the 2009 roster. What purpose would having Wood on the roster serve if Scioscia already had two SS (Aybar and Izturis) and two 3B (Figgins and Quinlan)? There was nothing to be gained by having Wood ride the pine even more than Quinlan did, and he clearly could benefit more from working on his game at AAA under those circumstances.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUSION HA!

In Kobe we trust!

by robi s on Oct 27, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

+7

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is what I'd like to see happen

1) Re-sign Lackey. Though I am aware that this is rather unlikely at this point. Rumors say that our pursuit of Aroldis Chapman is the beginning of the Lackey replacement process.

2) Sign Holliday or Bay. I’m not sure which one I prefer. Bay has more power and I think our lineup needs that but Holliday is more suited to the “Angel way” since his defense isn’t as bad as Bay’s and he has more speed and can swipe a bag from time to time. Also, Holliday hits for a better average. Both are good OBP machines.

3) Re-sign Abreu and Oliver. Not much needed to be said here.

4) Sign a good veteran power arm out of the bullpen. Rafael Soriano, Mike Gonzalez, Jose Valverde, and Fernando Rodney come to mind but all of these guys might be looking for closer gigs we may or may not be willing or able to offer. This move isn’t as necessary IMO because with the emergence of Jepsen and Bulger, the return of Scott Shields, and the real possibility of a bounce-back year from Arredondo, our bullpen should be better equipped to enter 2010 than it was in 2009.

I am not going to say that we should re-sign Figgins because I’m torn on the situation. One one hand, he is the only legitimate lead off hitter we have. I don’t think Izturis or Aybar are ideal leadoff candidates since they do not pose the same basestealing threat nor do they have the OBP skills that Figgins has. However, Figgins is getting older and while he still steals a high volume of bases, his stolen base percentage isn’t all that great and it’s safe to assume his speed numbers will go down as years progress. Also since he had a career year, he might end up getting more than he’s actually worth. But if we DO keep him, then we have virtually no choice but to trade Brandon Wood and his trade value isn’t all that high since he’s never really been given a real shot at succeeding in the big leagues.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 27, 2009 12:27 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

So I guess the real ? is how much money will Arte want to dish out

I love that he is a competitor but yet he is also a smart businessman.

by RedAces on Oct 27, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions  

it could be worse . . .

we could be doyer fans having to endure the mc courts nasty breakup that will distract most all of the attention onto them and off of the team. not that the doyers act like the big market club that they are and throw their weight around mlb. good thing la has arte to run circles around big blue.

by SoCalCMH on Oct 27, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trade

Mathis, Wood, Arredondo, Kazmir for Joe Mauer (provided Mauer signs a contract extension). The Twins need starting and relief pitching, 3rd base and may not want to spend the money it takes to resign Mauer. Resign Lackey,Figgins, Oliver and Abreu. The 2010 lineup would be:

1. Figgy — 3rd
2. Abreu — RF
3. Mauer — C
4. Kendry — 1b
5. Torii — CF
6. Rivera — LF
7. Howie/Izzy — 2b
8. Napoli — DH
9. Aybar — SS

SP Lackey, Weaver, Saunders, Santana, Palmer/O’sullivan
RP Fuentes, Shields, Jepsen, Bulger, Oliver

The addition of just 1 big bat is all it will take to beat the Yanks and Red Sox in October

by AngelsFanInMinnesota on Oct 27, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

This would be great

but I thought that Joe M was a home town hero and that all indications are that the Twinkies would break the bank to keep him.

What if the Twinkies wanted WTY instead of Kazmir? Still do the deal?

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 27, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not with the new stadium opening in Minny

Twins would have taken a massive PR hit dealing Mauer even if it weren’t opening next season, but with Target Field it’s even less likely they move him. Plus that package isn’t nearly enough for someone with a legit shot at multiple career MVPs.

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by BigKahunaMan on Oct 27, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with the new stadium

Is that it is an Outdoor stadium, with no covertable roof.

Wasn’t it Snowing in Minny when the Yankee’s played the Twins in Game 3 of the ALDS?

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now your talking.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

your trade proposal is admirable

but are you serious? proven stud like Mauer. only thing you get back is defensive C, prospect SS/3B, SP who just blew up in a bad way during the playoffs with a huge contract, and reliever who couldn’t even make our own BP this past season. i’m a fan too but thats just not even a starting point.

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

You really want to trade for Mauer?

It would begin with Kendrick. It would include Reckling or Walden, or maybe both. We take their catcher, they take Conger. Toss in another couple of AA and/or AAA names. Or younger, like Alex Torres or Dillon Baird.

You think dumping Mathis and Arredondo on them will get the job done? Guess again. To make a deal like this would require trading some of the jewels of the Angel minor league system, including some of the very pitchers we’ve been counting on for 2011 and beyond. You’re not going to get it done with young arms already hitting their arbitration years or with ones carrying fat contracts for the next couple of seasons.

Oh, and by the way…you can make that deal and Mauer still becomes a free agent at the end of 2010. Are you really game to trade away top young talent and possibly get only one season of Mauer in return?

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't only having one year left on his contract make it a realtively cheaper trade.

I’d understand you argument if we were talking about getting Mauer last winter. I think Kendrick might still be the starting point, but I’m willing to venture that it doesn’t include up to possibly 6 of our best young studs to net Mauer.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point you're overlooking

Twins management would have to make it a huge haul to sell the trade to the fans.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Among other things, he was born and raised in St. Paul.

The Twins management would need an extra-incredible haul to keep the locals happy for trading a hometown hero. Aside from a hometown success story, they open a new stadium next year.

There’s a better chance of trading Jeff Mathis for Roy Halladay straight up.

by sothball on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

people within the Twins Management. Publically, they are saying that they will do all it takes to resign Joe Mauer. However, there is a debate as to whether resigning Mauer at such a high cost will handicap the team and prevent them from filling gaping holes in infield, starting rotation and bullpen. They project that the new stadium will bring in an additional 40 million a year in revenue half of which will go to player salaries and half to organizational maintenance. If they spend all 20 million on Mauer, then they will have nothing left for free agents and mandatory player salary raises. There is a vocal minority arguing that Mauer or Morneau be traded for major league-ready talent to fill their other holes and not break the bank.

by AngelsFanInMinnesota on Oct 27, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Mauer

will be wearing pinstripes after he becomes a FA.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he goes somewhere else other then the Yankee’s

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Skanks will need a catcher.

Posada is old. JoMo is old. They’ll throw so much money at him it won’t even be funny.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Holliday?

I am sorry, But i see so many people saying that the Angels should get Holliday.

Don’t get me wrong, He is a good player, but he was with Oakland at the Begining of the year and didn’t do very well, then he went back to the National League and did awesome for the Cardinals (Minus tha mishap in the 9th inning in Game 2 of the NLDS)

In my opinion, if he came to the AL and didn’t perform well, but performs awesome in the NL, then he should stay in the NL. I feel that if the Angels go after Holliday, then he will look almost similiar to how he did with Oakland.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

He'd be in a better environment here

plus he OPS’d .831 with Oakland (not bad by an stretch), and after an extremely slow start to the season (OPSing in the .600s for the first month or so), he heated up to around .900 for about the last month and a half that he was there. I think it’s reasonable to suggest he’d do pretty well for us. Maybe not what he did in St. Louis, but not his Oakland self, either.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not advocating Holliday

But jeez Louise, can we recall events of the past season accurately?

Holliday made a change to his hand placement on the bat and his stance, and the result was that he was hitting very well before he left for St Louis. In the final 30 days on the Athletics, he hit .330/.398/.543, which is very good considering the alleged offensive threat of Holliday, Chavez and Giambi never materialized and it was easier for pitcher to pitch around Holliday. It wasn’t as if he suddenly came alive when fed a steady diet of NL pitching.

I don’t think he’s a good enough defensive OF to warrant the sort of money he’s expecting and I think the Cardinals will move Heaven and Earth to keep him in the lineup to protect Pujols—both situations which make the Angels spending a fortune to sign him very unlikely—but he needs to be cut a break regarding the perception that he was a complete bust in Oakland.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, so he played for Oakland for something like 90 games, and he did good in the last 30 games he was with them…. Its the first 60 games or so that he didn’t do well, and yes I know that those games are in the begining of the season, but those games still count.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the point

He had a mechanical flaw in his swing which he worked out prior to leaving Oakland, which the numbers clearly show.

The statement of yours implied that he did well only after going to the NL—a common misperception—when he was hitting the ball quite well in the month prior to leaving Oakland. Had he stayed, it figures he would have continued to do well, though he wouldn’t have been surrounded with hitters as good as those he played with in St Louis.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary Mathews Jr

Can/how can we get rid of him?

by jessthelion on Oct 27, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

He has No Trade Clause on his contract, but I thought someone mentioned earlier this year, maybe around trade deadline that his No Trade Clause ended at the end of this season, not sure if that is true though.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

No trade clause

Only applied to the first 3 seasons. We can trade him now. Here’s the catch: Good luck trying to find anybody who wants him.

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by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 27, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok cool

I remember someone mentioning it, but didn’t know if it was true or not.

That is a good point, maybe the Royals or the Pirates would like him…… but doubt they could affored his salary. Like it or not, looks like we are stuck with him, so hopefully he can be more productive next year, when he is in the lineup.

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 27, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

HGH

I say package HGH, Brandon Wood and Sean O’Sullivan and send them to the Reds for Bronson Arroyo and Scott Rolen. Then we can let Figgy go with no worries.

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

If we let Figgins go and trade Wood, who plays 3B? It is a given that Rolen will break down before the season is midway. If you look at his productivity in the last 5 seasons, it has been many years since he’s been “Scott Rolen”. Since 2005, he’s averaged .279/.353/.448, with 11 HR and 60 RBI. If Wood can’t better those numbers between 2010 and 2014, I’d be astonished.

Besides, his deal is up at the end of next year. You’ve traded Wood and let Figgins go, so who plays 3B in 2011?

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 1, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I mentioned it as a silver lining to the offseason...

about 10 minutes after the Angels were eliminated…

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does everyone want to dump Fuentes?

He had one mediocre year. Not a terrible year. He still managed to lead the league in saves.

Don’t forget, Joe Nathan also gave up a bomb to A-Rod in the DS that blew a game for the Twins. And how about K-Rod serving one up to Drew in the ’08 DS? Or K-Rod to Manny in the ’07 DS?

Who exactly do you plan on REALISTICALLY bringing in that would be better than Fuentes right off the bat? And don’t say Billy Wagner.

Between Bulger, Jepsen, Shields, Arredondo, Fuentes, Palmer, and Oliver we should be able to put together a decent bullpen next year without having to give up ANYTHING.

It is highly unlikely that most of these guys do any worse than this past season. There is really only room to improve.

RIP NA

by NoDakHalo on Oct 27, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Fuentes

its not a prejudice thing on soft throwing lefties. i love what Oliver has done and i would love to have him close out games over Fuentes. there very similar RP and i have more confidence when DO comes in the Fuentes.

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ramdon "Office Space" quote:

Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I’ll tell you what I’d do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That’s it? If you had a million dollars, you’d do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; ‘cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that’d double up on a dude like me do.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

If by F'd you mean awesome.

The way it’s directed always makes me feel like I’m doing the drugs with the characters.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 28, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I liked how they did that.

instead of just showing them doing drugs.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts for 2010 Roster

Bay and Holliday will be way overpaid- I would stay away from that! I say give Woody his shot, (he may just have a monster season, just like Morales this year) – If we trade him instead and he has a monster season somewhere else we will be very, very sorry!

Resign Lackey and Abreu, keep Vlad for a lot lot less (if not put Napoli at DH)-

If Lackey insists on moving to Greener pastures despite a decent offer, we’ll have to do with either Palmer, O’Sullivan or Mosely, which may not be so bad after all-

If we can’t get Lackey see about trading for Morneau- Twins might be willing to let him go for the right package- then use tha Lackey $$ to sign him to a long term deal.

Offer Figgs 2/12 M (basically the same money as this year), if he wants more let him go. Sign Morales up to a longer deal (I think his contract is up at the end of next year)- we do not want to lose him to the yanks now that he has arrived!

We’ll have Shields back next year, that along signing Oliver for another year should take care of the back of bullpen. Do another year of Fuentes at closer and by 2001 Jepsen will be ready to take over (or even later next year if Fuents falters)

We’ll have enought to win the West again and the post season is really a crap shoot- Go Angels!!

Xavier Calvera

by xavier c on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

no way

if we lose Lackey we have to get an established SP, to replace him in the rotation. our top prospects i don’t think are ready( Bell, O’Sullivan) i have no confidence in Moseley, Loux, or any other journeyman. i would risk going after a injury plagued pitcher like Harden or even Sheets.

Morneau already has long term deal. Twins are in no rush to deal him.

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wagner is a choker

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Oct 27, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Matthews wants out:

“I don’t expect to be back; it’s time to move on,” outfielder Gary Matthews Jr. said as he packed his belongings in the team’s Angel Stadium clubhouse today. “I’m ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that’s OK.”

As for the money, Sarge Jr. doesn’t think it’ll be much of a hurdle.

“It’s definitely not as big as it was a year ago,” Matthews said. “Obviously, there are some teams that can’t afford it, but when I’m playing every day, I feel I can be a top-line center fielder, and that, I would think, is what a lot of teams want.”

I am fan various years ago.

by Fred Fredrix on Oct 27, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

is he serious???

or am i delusional. his contract isn’t a hindrance. unless we can sucker the NYY or another big market team in taking his contract he’s going to be an Angel next year i think. unless he just eat that contract and buy him out.

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least offer these

Theres no guarantee anyone takes these offers but heres the offers that should be made

Guerrero: 1 yr/ 5-6 mill with incentives that could go up to 8 mill
Lackey: 4 yrs/ 60 mil
Escobar: No offer
Figgins : 3 yrs/ 21 mill
Abreu: 2 yrs/ 18-22 mill maybe add a 10 mil option
Oliver: 1 yr/ 3 mill
Quinlan: No offer

I dont think Lackey or Figgins will take the offers proposed, but I dont believe its in the interest of the Angels to give long term deals to any of their free agents due to age and injury history and 15 mil for a SP and 7 mill for a solid 3B is extremely fair, while protecting some long-term team interests. But I think both are gone.

I think Abreu takes the offer and Guerrero takes his after he finds nothing else much better. Oliver is simply a matter of whether he retires.

Assuming those numbers, the Angels will spend about 15-21 mill on those free agents, leaving another 20-25 mill leftover for this year…Sign two bullpen arms, and I think most importantly lock up Weaver and Morales long term.

by Kgdadude on Oct 27, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

this is what i would do

i would offer ARB to our FA, except to Vlad and Escobar, Quinlan. most would probably reject except of DO. i would love to bring him back(1Y/4M). my gut tells me that we will lose Lackey, Figgins, Abreau, Quinlan, Escobar, due to being outbid or not having serious interest.

i would try to sign Bay, he has a pure power bat that we are lacking in the lineup. solid OF. 4yrs in the 16-17 range. try to sign him before Holliday signs because then we dont have to wait and see Boras set the market. kinda like TB did with Burrell even though that was kinda a bad signing. i would resign Vlad if he’s willing to take 1yr at a big discount. 7M with incentives that can bring it to 10M

I don’t think we will have Lackey. so hopefully and this is a big wish that Halladay goes on the market. with Boston and YAnks in the same div, TOR won’t deal to them unless their willing to go way beyond ridiculous for him. the big question is what will it realistically take to land him? before it was combination of Aybar, Saunders and some prospects. i don’t see that happening because Aybar has finally established himself as a premier SS. so i would offer Weaver, O’Sullivan, Bulger, Nap, Rivera for Halladay only if we can have a window to talk to his agent and sign a extension. 4yrs @17M might get it done? i’m hoping he would maybe take less now and not want to test the market in a year from now and be part of a winning organization like the Angels.

our INF i think is set: Morales, Kendrick, Aybar, Wood, Mathis. with Izzy as our backup INf. i think we have enough 4A guys in the system that can fill in our rest of the reserve spots. such as Wilson for backup C. OF will have Hunter, Bay, Matthews(only because we can’t get rid of him) for sure. DH will be Vald. SP(Halladay,Kazmir, Saunders, Santana) sign a high risk/ high reward type to be our 5th starter.(Harden or Sheets) RP(Shields, Jepsen, Oliver, Fuentes(turn him into a expensive setup guy) Palmer, Arredondo(hopefully he finds his control).
Lineup up: Aybar, HK, KM, VLAD, Bay, Hunter, Wood, Mathis, GMjr.

i think that can come out to like 120-130M payroll.

What do you guys think? am i just crazy like everyone else? :)

by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

here we go

Offer Arb. to every type A.

Sign Abreu for whatever it takes. Bring back Lackey if the price is at all within reason.

Invite MySpaceCobar with an incentive laden deal to work the bullpen. Sign Oliver if he doesn’t retire.

Use the rest to pay all those draft picks we get as compensation, and we should be set for the next decade.

by elricsi on Oct 27, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

oh what the hell...

1. Re-Sign Lackey and Abreu.
2. Sign Jason Bay. He becomes the new Vlad, and rotates with Juan and Bobby in the OF/DH role. More power than Holliday, albeit with a lower average. Also has had extended success in the AL.
3. Sign Huston Street and Oliver.

Lineup
Aybar SS
Abreu RF
Hunter CF
Bay LF
Morales 1B
Kendrick 2B
Rivera DH
Napoli C
Wood 3B

Rotation
Lackey
Weaver
Kazmir
Santana
Saunders

Bullpen
Palmer
Oliver
Bulger
Jepsen
Shields
Street
Fuentes

Bench
Mathis
Brown
Willits
Izturis

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 27, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

With Street and Fuentes

Who would be the closer? or would they share the role depending on who would be coming up to bat?

by Angelfan1983 on Oct 28, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

just like fuentes

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

so did frankie.

doesn’t mean they’re not good pitchers. stick street in a mid-relief role.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Oct 28, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kendry is doing great at first-

But we do need to extend his contract and Weaver as well, as the other fan said- these are priorities for the future!-

Xavier Calvera

by xavier c on Oct 28, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

We're not extending Weaver

Li’l Weave is a Boras client, and Boras doesn’t advise his clients to sign extensions. He runs them through their six seasons of team control, then places them on the market as free agents. Weaver will be a free agent pitcher for the 2013 season, along with Saunders, Napoli, Mathis, Aybar and Kendrick.

BTW, no rush on Morales—he doesn’t hit his FA until 2014.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 28, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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