GA’s best 5 years before he started to decline – 99-03: 794 Games, 142 HRs, 559 RBIs
Vlad’s first 5 years, not including 09: 746 Games, 158 HRs, 566 RBIs

GA’s next year – 04: 112 Games, 14 HRs, 75 RBIs
Vlad in 09: 100 Games 15 HRs, 50 RBIs
( GA in 09: 135 " 13 " 61 " )( Just for comparison – and HE still plays in the OF.)

GA in 3 of his last 4 years ( 05-09 ) averaged 143 Games, 16 HRs, and 87 RBIs. In my humble opinion, GA, in spite of his ailments, was and still is, in better physical condition than Vlad.

GA’s 08 numbers weren’t good enough to warrant a contract, yet they were better than Vlad’s 09 numbers.

What makes anyone here believe – watching the way Vladdy walks and runs – that he could possibly play for even 2 more years? Someone here predicted he would have a year with 30 HRs, and 100+ RBIs. I will hereby predict that Vladdy doesn’t accumulate those totals over the rest of his career.

Another thing. Vladdy in the lineup is going to deprive good young players – who will undoubtedly produce better numbers, and have FAR more upside – of their natural development. Even if he signs a contract for less than GA did – $2.5mm, last year, he will still be a clog in the lineup, ( like he was this year.) hindering the futures of upcoming players with far better production upside. Let him go people – the Angels are going to.

I think he really didn’t care what team he played for.

Vlad does.

with low minimum base, lots of incentives, and team options for year 3 and on.

So, you’re going to clog up the DH position for 162 games, ( assuming he’s healthy most of the year, which is unlikely.) – knowing that Scioscia likes to give his players occasional rest, and also reserve the spot for his “walking wounded” – with a declining, primarily singles hitter, who will have stats like an 8 or 9 spot hitter, yet probably be plugged into the MOTO?

He wouldn’t be worth such an arrangement even if he was paid the league minimum. Stop drinking the Vladdy koolaid, people – he is done. Of his supposedly “great” postseason, only 2, maybe 3 of his 14 “hits” were solid. The rest, his usual assortment of squibs hits thru the IF, or dying quail flares to the shallow OF. Very Maicer Iztur’ish, if you ask me.

I think we may be in the minority here, but I think he’ll have a bounce back year. Of course, I was one of the few who thought K-Mo could hit 25 or more HR’s, and I was ridiculed by many HHers.

The backbone of capitalism. Yes, they exist. And in my mind, they should be the forefront of every contract. But alas, unions…

Just incentives for games played, at-bats, innings pitched, etc.

Career #’s

Hits-2249 (152th all time)
HR- 407 HR (44th all time)
RBI-1318 (90th all time)
and lets not forget his career AVG.321 (50th all time)

Of course his SLG is .568 (14th all time)
For fun OPS .954 (22nd all time)
IBB 5th all time

Lock him up for the HOF

“Vlad did great this post season. I think having Abreu around, Vlade might have learned a little patience, as we saw when he actually earned a few walks”

Uh, he waited ALL season long to start to learn something from Bobby? That’s a crock – you obviously didn’t watch his 1 for 7 game 2. And his “great” post season proves that numbers DO lie. He might have had a GOOD season – for Maicer Izturis. ( Check A-Rod’s numbers for a GREAT postseason, and his resume for a WS earned.)

The fact is, Vlad is still a complete FLAILER, not impaler. Of his 14 posteason “hits” only 2, maybe 3 were of the solid “man” hit variety – the rest were his usual assortment of squibs barely through the IF, or dying quail flares to the shallow OF. Worthy perhaps of the 8 or 9 spot, but not the cleanup position.

Re-signing Vladdy only complicates things with the RISK BEING MUCH HIGHER than any possible reward.

If he’s that pinched for extra coin, I’d understanding giving him a decent contract.

Too many child support payments?

:-D

I ate a burrito right next to Rob Lowe last night, but I’d much rather shake Vlad’s hand at the Wal-Mart.

I agree, we should keep him (hopefully for less money).

and his age as a player, are almost identicle to Jim Rice’s at this stage of HIS career. Check out Rice’s last couple of years and tell me why the hobbled Vladdy, who seems to grimace with every step, will “come back” and produce better than Rice did in his final few years.

In my humble opinion, Vlad is destined to suffer a similar demise, and it is probably better that he doesn’t do it as an Angel.

Vlad had worse numbers than GA in HIS last year, and seems to be in far worse physical condition. The Angels didn’t offer GA arbitration – because he would have accepted it – and they let him walk away. They will ( SHOULD! ) do the same with Vlad.

The concrete outfield in Montreal has claimed a second great outfielder. First Andre Dawson had a HOF career cut short because of the concrete outfield there, now Vlad. I don’t think his knees could take the outfield enough to play in the NL. The Padres are stupid with horrible owners but not that stupid.

not sure money is the big issue here and I’m not sure the Rangers would be out of it.

Don’t count out the Orioles…they have been pointing to 2010 as a year they will be competitive for a while now. They have a good core of young players. They have an owner with money (albeit an asshole), a good front office and a regional TV network. If they could manage to get some pitching (Lackey anyone?) and a fill-in or two — like Vlade — they could make a run at .500 (baby steps).

Put a fork in Ortiz, he’s done. But Vlade doesn’t fit in the Bill Jamesian team theory.

Can’t see the Yankees in the mix as Posada moves closer to a full time DH (despite what others here have said, I believe Matsui is gone).

If they get an ownership change done soon, I think the new ownership might make that deal. Texas fans would probably be good with the move, again – considering the way he’s hit his whole career in Texas. Washington won’t feel any compulsion to bat him in the heart of the order and it could turn them into a team that’s even scarier to the Angels than they already were this year.

And yet, he had almost double the production of Vlad. Yet another argument in favor of letting Vlad walk.

Yep, imagine how wonderful it would be! ;)