Gary Matthews Jr. wants out of Anaheim
According to LA Times, HGH wants out of Anaheim.
I think the Halos would make a deal if they could find a taker. Question is how much salary would we have to eat?
How much is to much?
DIscuss...
Here is the link to the story.
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"Its definately not as big as it was a year ago"
Fuck you Gary
by Wytelitning on Oct 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
why the ‘fuck you’?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because “it” is his salary, and the reason it is “definately (sic) not as big as it was a year ago” is because of how much we already had to pay him to “play” for us this year.
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 27, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, okay
so how exactly does this warrant a ‘fuck you?’
Did the guy force us to sign him? Force us to pay him? Force us to tack on one more zero to the end of his contract than he’s actually worth?
The quote rather directly implies that he is AWARE of how untradeable his contract generally is (and, ergo, how little he generally deserves the money), and that he now recognizes that there’s a decent chance he’ll be able to get a trade this year. Also, I actually read the quote two ways:
1) He’s commenting on how, with another year passed, the amount is obviously smaller
AND
2) Given the economic climate last year compared to this, the contract appears less burdensome, in that teams probably feel they have more economically flexibility now.
Either way, it’s not a ‘dick’ quote. Just a simple commentary.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly right
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just playing to see if you guys were awake
Unlike most fans here I actually side with the players on these deals.
by Wytelitning on Oct 28, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, didn't warrant it.
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 28, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it's a FU
He’s making $50M. Shut your mouth about complaining to the media about your playing time. If you don’t like it, work it internally with the organization.
You don’t see the Angels complaining publicly that Gary sucks, is not worthy of a full time gig, and signing him was a major mistake for the organization.
by LosAngel on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just go with the first thing I thought when I read that.
YAHOO!
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Oct 27, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can they retitle that article as:
“Anaheim wants Gary Matthews Jr. out of Anaheim?”
Napoli IS the power bat in 2009. Watch.
by 101halo on Oct 27, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best news I've read all day!
But really who would take him? If they have been discussing this since last year, apparently Reagins has had no luck in moving him.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see
The Mariners and A’s would take a stab at him, they both are always in need for crappy outfielders. But the Angels will still have to eat up some of that contract.
by TheAntiSox on Oct 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow ... strong words from a fellow who has 2yrs / $20M on the table at the back-end of the franchise's worst contract ever:
“I don’t expect to be back; it’s time to move on,” outfielder Gary Matthews Jr. said as he packed his belongings in the team’s Angel Stadium clubhouse today. “I’m ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day. This organization has other plans, and that’s OK.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"I'm ready to play for an organization that wants me to play every day"
The problem is, Gary, that if you don’t PRODUCE, then no organization will play you everyday.
You are an overpaid journeyman outfielder. Period. Sorry, Gary, those are not in real high demand at the moment.
Why don’t you just count your blessings that you hit the lottery and got something for nothing? That one HGH-enhanced season got you 5 years of undeserved wealth?
by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's always Salt Lake City...
They MIGHT take him…
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooo oooo I know
There are some openings in the Atlantic league.
Maybe if he is really cool about it the PCL might take him.
by elricsi on Oct 27, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other teams out there are carrying the ridiculous weight of a bad contract?
If there’s some over-priced pitcher out there (especially a closer), I’d be willing to entertain the offer.
by BruinHalo on Oct 27, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm a possibility
That worked wonders for the Angels in Dec. 2001, basically trading one albatross contract (Mo Vaughn) to the Mets for another weighty contract (Kevin Appier). Though I think the Angels may have had to pay a bit of Mo’s contract as well, that transaction was a boon to the Angels. For one, they unloaded a huge (no pun intended) clubhouse cancer and got in return a pitcher who posted a 14 – 12 record and helped the Angels in their 2002 championship season. In other words, getting some bang for their buck since they needed a starter more than a guy who only showed up to pick up a paycheck or visit the Boston clubhouse when they were in town.
Though I wouldn’t call GMJ a cancer like Vaughn was, the possibility of basically trading contracts with a team who has an over-priced player at a position we could use but they have a surplus of should they need more an OF with a good glove may be an alternative.
Of course, I would much rather get rid of him in a way not just getting another big contract, but not sure anyone would WANT to trade for him unless it fell under the same kind of Vaughn for Appier deal.
by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would require another GM as stupid as Steve Phillips.
I am fan various years ago.
by Fred Fredrix on Oct 28, 2009 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vernon Wells
of course his contract makes GMJ’s look like a steal
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, for what it's worth...
Fangraphs values GMJ’s 2009 season as worth $5.2 million dollars. Except not a positive $5.2 million dollars, a NEGATIVE $5.2 million dollars.
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, my friend!
Napoli IS the power bat in 2009. Watch.
by 101halo on Oct 27, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Anaheim wants GMJ out….
servicable when we were plagued with injuries, but I would love to have his contract off the books!
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Oct 27, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On balance, a declining asset for the halos
I’ll agree he had some good hits, played hard, and played his position well, but he is not and never has been a front line outfielder for a championship caliber team. But, if forced to choose between him and Juan Rivera, I would rather take GMJ. I would rather they both retire.
by bearnut on Oct 27, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I rarely missed a game in the last three years...
he had some good hits, played hard, and played his position well
and I cannot recall any of these such things you just mentioned coming from Gary Matthews, Jr.
The whole thing was just a mistake. It started before he even got to his first Angels Spring Training with the HGH allegations and the way he handled it. Arte would have voided this abortion of a contract right then and there, if he could have. Too bad. I like Bill Stoneman, but this is altogether his worst move as a GM. Even the Bottenfield/Kennedy for Edmonds deal is genius compared to this move.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ over Rivera? Really?
I don’t know about that. Juan had a horrid post-season, sure, but the dude was raking for us big time during the season and helped carry the team while Vlad and Tori were out. Try and forget all the GIDP’s during the playoffs and remember he had 25 HR’s during the season. I’ll take Rivera anytime over GMJ.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Oct 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are far too forgiving
Keeping GMJ in favor of Rivera is assinine
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
by Higz on Oct 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've gotta be kidding?
Rivera has had career years in the two seasons worth of full time play he’s had with us. The only exception this year was avg, which was still in the .280s. Other than that he set records for himself in HR and RBI even beyond his ’06 numbers, which was before he broke his shin in half and missed basically a season and a half.
He also led the team in OF assists and was 2nd in fielding only to Torii for our outfilders, which on any other team is probably good enough for 1st. I think he even stole more bases than Figgins during the playoffs…
But seriously he’s a boss and a good value considering he’s only getting 3-4 million a year.
by Commander_Nate on Oct 27, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great
how ‘bout he puts his money where his mouth is and agrees to void the rest of his contract, I’m sure the Angels would agree to that. If both parties wish for the contract to cease then it shouldn’t be much of a problem.
by 3eyes on Oct 27, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Players Union says hello
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 27, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley
At this point, I’d take Bradley for HGH. Their contracts are basically a wash (Milton is set to make $9 million in 2010 and $12 million in 2011), and though he didn’t come close to his Texas numbers, he did walk 66 times in 124 games (14.4%) with a line of .257/.378/.397. If we’re going to be stuck with a player with a bad attitude, he might as well be semi-productive. Maybe playing close to home (I think Bradley is from Harbor City) around professionals who won’t take mess like Torii Hunter could turn him around…at least a little.
by Bly-lovin on Oct 27, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
NO!
At least Mathews hasn’t wrecked our team. Bradley has screwed up the chemistry on every team he’s been on.
by ryanfea on Oct 27, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Taking on Bradley would be like re-signing Jose Guillen.
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 27, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks. We already had Jose Guillen. Aren't they the same kind of HELL NO?
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Oct 27, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes!
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 27, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Bradley here...
He can hit and go back to DH’ing.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Oct 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's an OBP machine.
His patience along with Abreu’s would rub off on the younger players.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely if its possible
I don’t think it will affect the Angels clubhouse and even if it did, are we as Angels fans more concerned about clubhouse chemistry or winning? The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Bradley is twenty trillion times the hitter Matthews is and he is coming off the worst year of his career, so I think this could actually work.
by Spird on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is SUCH a cancer tho
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
He had maturity issues in Cleveland, wore out his welcome in LA, and Pinella is obviously not the right manager for him. He was fine in Texas and San Diego (his issue there was with an ump) and I’m sure Scioscia could handle him, as well. He is NOT Guillen. He has never called out team mates or threatened his manager. He just has anger management issues. I think this team might be a good fit for him, actually. It’s a loose clubhouse full of pros. Especially if we could get him straight up for Matthews. Resign Abreu, and you have a nice RF/DH position share for the next couple years, not to mention two high OBP bats near the top of the order.
by dmhead on Oct 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, it that all?
He just has anger management issues.
That was an acknowledged problem when he was on the Dodgers, and that was three teams ago.
Let him work out his demons on someone else’s payroll.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is all.
How do we know what other guys on the team are like behind closed doors? Lackey sure hasn’t been shy to let his feelings known when he disagrees with Mike or the organization. I’m not saying he’s Milton Bradley, but I’m sure the club is equipped to handle such a big personality. Guillen was a jerk long before he threatened Scioscia, but the team did just fine with him there. Bradley is crazy, but I don’t see him throwing a tantrum over being pinch-ran for late in the game.
is it a bigger risk to pay Bradley and hope he doesn’t infect the clubhouse with his “cancer” or to keep paying Matthews to simply suck?
by dmhead on Oct 28, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Bradley is crazy, but I don’t see him throwing a tantrum over being pinch-ran for late in the game.
You should Google Bradley’ season with the Cubs and see some of his antics during the season. He absolutely would pitch a fit if Scioscia went contrary to his own self interest. His problems in Chicago didn’t just happen at the end of the season—they were for most of the season. It was his good fortune that Zambrano was also a big dope and took some of the spotlight off Bradley’s bad behavior.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Guillen
Sosh would put an end to it.
www.13stoploss.com
by feNOMINAL on Oct 27, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ for Barry Zito
Straight up?
With Lackey potentially walking there’s an open 5th spot in the rotation. Butcher could straighten him out.
by TheAntiSox on Oct 27, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
Barry Zito lhp
7 years/$126M (2007-13), plus 2014 club option
* 7 years/$126M (2007-13), plus 2014 club option
o signed by San Francisco as a free agent 12/06 (largest-ever pitcher contract at signing)
o 07:$10M, 08:$14.5M, 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout)
o option vests with 200 IP in 2013 or 400 IP in 2012-13 or 600 IP 2011-13
o if 2014 option vests, Zito may opt out & receive $3.5M buyout
o full no-trade clause
o award bonuses:
+ Cy Young award: $0.5M for winning once, $0.75M for 2nd time, $1M each for 3 or more ($0.2M for placing 2nd in vote, $0.15M for 3rd, $0.1M for 4th, $50,000 for 5th)
+ MVP: $0.25M for winning, $0.15M for 2nd place in vote, $0.1M for 3rd, $75,000 for 4th, $50,000 for 5th
+ $0.2M for WS MVP
+ $0.1M each for Gold Glove, All Star selection, LCS MVP
o perks: suite on road trips
* 4 years/$9.3M (2002-05), plus 2006 club option
o signed extension with Oakland 5/02, replacing 1 year/$0.295M deal for 2002
o $0.4M signing bonus
o 02:$0.5M, 03:$0.9M, 04:$2.7M, 05:$4.8M, 06:$7M club option
o escalators:
+ 2004: $0.1M for 400 IP 2002-03, $0.2M for 420 IP 2002-03
+ 2005: $0.7M for 540-630 IP 2002-04
+ 2006: $0.2M for 570 IP 2002-05, $1.25M for Cy Young 02-05
o $50,000 All Star bonus
o 2006 option became guaranteed at $8.5M 8/05 when Zito hit IP vesting mark
* 1 year/$0.24M (2001)
* drafted 1999 (1-9)
* $1.59M signing bonus
* agent: Scott Boras (re-hired 7/06, replacing Arn Tellum) (had fired Scott Boras late in 2001 season)
* ML service: 8.072
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 27, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
What the HELL were they thinking?!
by TheAntiSox on Oct 27, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what they were thinking:
agent: Scott Boras
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Oct 27, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as we all hate him
The man is a GENIUS
by TheAntiSox on Oct 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
If I’m a player, I know he’s going to get me what I’m worth X 100.
The proof of his skill is the GM’s and owners know how he works, know the games he plays, the BS that he spins, and yet… and YET… one by one they still fall into his traps and end up signing on the dotted line for deals like the Barry Zito one above, probably wondering what the hell hit them when buyer’s remorse sets in later.
by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I cringe when I see a player that has Boras as his agent
I always laugh when I see HUGE contracts that have additional “incentive” clauses built into them. Shouldn’t the freakin’ $126 million be ENOUGH incentive to produce? Why the heck do they think they are getting that kind of money in the first place? For a 10 – 17 season? Oh wait, nevermind. lol
by Hoppity Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if my son were a big leaguer
I would want Boros representing him
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ, there's the door. No one is stopping you but you.
If it really is so bad, ask to be released from your contract and enter the free agent market. Oh, no one today is stupid enough to pay you $10m per year, so you won’t. Okay, there’s the bench, now sit your ass on it.
by snowhor on Oct 27, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey be fair.
During the ALCS, his ass warmed the bench so good on those cold, cold nights, that it was worth 10 million big ones.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Oct 27, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The feeling is mutual.
I remember the Sarge, and you sir, are no Sarge.
Apologies in advance.
by Red114 on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Who cares GMJ
Some have talked about how if he is let loose or traded the club will have to eat some of the contract. I say the club is already eating 10M a year so why not get rid of him and eat half of it instead of all of it. Just more to add to the Justin Speier5.25M they will eat in 2010
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Oct 27, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the gripping hand,
You do have to admit that he manned up and didn’t say word one during the season, when it would hurt the team. He waited until it was all over to vent.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oooooh!!!!!!!!!
Mote In God’s Eye reference, FTW!
The finest Sci Fi tale never to be made into a major motion picture. If kids today could only put down their storm trooper helmets…
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollywood would just screw it up.
Look what they did to “Starship Troopers”. The book was excellent, the film was crap.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Oct 27, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to dream that Hollywood is waiting until it can get it right.
The technology is here. The production values are here. The director skills are here. A great writer, a great budget, and a commitment to excellence are needed. Then, we only need to wait for the acting, a cast with chops.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 27, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The film is good for what it is: a campy, over-the-top gore fest
I never think of film adaptations of a book as coming from the book. Sounds weird, but they’re two completely different entities and should be treated as such. I could hate Return of the King for differing from the source material, but it was a great movie.
Starship Troopers was a great book btw.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Oct 27, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
I loved Starship Troopers. And in general, I really like Verhoeven. He’s great at biting social satire, blended with pop-culture excess, futuristic dystopias, cheesy characters (or caricatures, really), and tongue-in-cheek violence. I enjoy the hell out of his movies…and even when they’re corny-in-excess, I’m impressed by the way he extrapolates his bleak vision for the future into works of fiction. His imagery is always infinitely memorable to me, too.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 28, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The film was excellent
Schlock-Satire – my favourite combination
I see red people
by The Limey on Oct 28, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much misguided hostility
The signing was awful, and everyone knew it from day one. Even GMJ knew it. It was a destined-for-failure mess. What did we end up getting out of it? One serviceable first year, in which he basically held his own enough to not deserve an outright benching.
Then Hunter came along and repaired the mess.
But the end result is everyone sitting here, cursing his name, saying “fuck you,” and just generally degrading the guy. But at the end of the day, what did he do that anyone else in the world wouldn’t have? If any of you was absolutely awful at your job, but managed to do okay for a year or so, and someone came along with a heaping pile of cash and said “come work for my company, and all of this is yours,” who in their right mind would say NO? Nobody. So “fuck you” to Bill Stoneman, to management, and to any scouts who signed off on the deal. I don’t hate any of them, but fuck them for the burden they’ve caused that was so avoidable?
As for GMJ? I’m sorry you didn’t have the talent to live up to your contract. Congrats on getting the money, I guess. I can’t hate you for deciding to take money that a stranger senselessly thrust upon you. And for what it’s worth, he raked in the clutch this year (.358 with RISP, .395 with 2 out and RISP, and OPS’d .864 from August 1st, on).
There are clubs out there on which GMJ could easily start. Any NL team short an outfielder could plop him in and probably expect slightly-less-than-average hitting production from him. If not for the contract, he’s a serviceable enough guy who might be able to give you a .750 OPS in full playing time. For the money it’s bad, but he’s not wrong in that there are teams out there that could probably use him as an outfield solution more than us, and if he wants to play, maybe he’s doing us a favor by asking to go. He hasn’t burned bridges, or yelled at Scioscia on live T.V., or thrown clubhouse tirades, or shown up his coaches and teammates. He hasn’t thrown people under the bus. He’s even waited to make his desires known, rather than pulling a Manny “trade me or I’ll be a sideshow from now on” stunt. He’s just signed a bad contract and not lived up to what no one was expecting of him, anyway. If he wants to go, godspeed.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+!000. And he played pretty well when we played him regularly this season.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Oct 27, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right
your a good guy casey, but you know what if he wasn’t on that HGH stuff then maybe he doesn’t get the contract we offered him. so we got suckered into this contract. he should have at least stayed on the HGH stuff and tried to live up to the contract instead of quitting it. lol jk. your right the hostility towards him is bad but if your going to sign a contract like that then you deserve the microscope.
by HALO_86 on Oct 27, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, maybe if the 2006 Halos don't suck and miss the playoffs, Stoneman and Arte don't feel pressured into signing a mega-deal player
So fuck the 2006 Halos?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 27, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 Halos did not suck
They had some injuries. Kotchman’s mono. McPherson. etc
Made some bad personnel decisions. Weaver vs Weaver.
They also had the best record in baseball over the second half.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 27, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swap Jeff's disaster with us
with a .500 starting pitcher, and we’re in the playoffs. It was THAT big a difference.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 28, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then he turned into Cy F-ing Young in the playoffs for STL.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sarcasm
Also their general inability to do anything in the first half. Though that can be attributed to the asinine decisions to get Edgardo Alfonzo and Jeff Weaver (which was a good idea at the time)—which in and of themselves may have fueled the desire to make a big splash signing to show doing something “right.” Who knows?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops my mistake
I though you were serious
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....ok, maybe not entirely
I think the problem with 2006 is not that they were overall terrible, but that they underachieved all around, and there were several players who DID completely suck. See, for example:
J.C. Romero (for whom we gave up Alexi Casilla before the season)
Jeff Weaver
Edgardo Alfonzo
AK as the season went on and it became more and more apparent that it was Howie-time.
Dallas MacPherson after his back gave out again.
Jeff Mathis.
And who can forget Esteban Yan?
I also seem to remember several very questionable FO decisions that year, such as keeping Jeff Weaver in the starting rotation at the expense of Jered Weaver when Jeff was 1-7 and Jered was something like 4-0. Uh, yeah. Also not working HK into the line-up more regularly when it was becoming obvious that the veterans were fading.
Anywho. Oh, and it was also the Year of johnsamo. But I digress!
:-D
So yeah, they didn’t suck, several players and FO decisions just did. But beyond that, OK season.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's remarkable is they still almost caught the A's.
by sothball on Oct 28, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
And I think they could have made it out of the first round that year, too, had they made it! But it was overall a not-so-exciting team!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you and he seemed like a nice guy too in interviews and such...
He could have ended up like another Jose Guillen or a Milton Bradley, but he kept his cool. But if he wants out, then I’m cool with that. hope he sees better days somewhere else.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Oct 27, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've always heard he was a good guy
Two of my friends toured around the country to every single baseball stadium in 2007, raising money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. They’re hometown Halos fans, so when they got to Anaheim for their big finale, the organization brought them down to the field and let them tour the dugout and the clubhouse.
GMJ was, IIRC, the only player who actually had a substantive conversation with them and I think may have even suggested dinner locations or something. Granted Torii would probably have done something similar were he on the team, but it does make GMJ out to be a pretty stand-up guy.
Also, I do remember being at a game against the BoSux in August 2007 wherein GMJ first robbed the Sox of a home run with an over-or-near-the-fence-grab and then an inning or two later launched one of his own onto the tarp near the RF seats. Pretty awesome.
I wish GMJ had played up to his potential or to his contract, but I suppose this is how things go. Tip of the hat, and best of luck to you, Gary!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 27, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus him stealing home that one time was pretty sweet too.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Oct 27, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had encounters with him at Spring Training on two occasions
first year, a bunch of players left, going down the tunnel saying “I’ll be back in a minute” (cough Shea Hillenbrand cough). Matthews said it, too. But only one player actually DID come back. Know who it was? Yup, GMJ. Signed for at least 15 minutes, quietly and humbly. He even stopped to smile for photos. Most of the time I was thinking of how great it was, and how horrible it was what people said about the guy, considering that, as a human being, he was being such a good man.
Second year, he had a case filled with about 30 pairs of sunglasses that he brought onto the grounds. People kept laughing and making jokes about it as he warmed up and changed pairs once or twice…making jokes about how he spent his big contract. He would playfully turn around whenever he could make out a comment and point in an “I’m coming for you” kind of way at guys he could single out. When he was done warming up, he came over, high-fived a couple of us, and then signed balls straight through to the beginning of the national anthem. And when he went down the line, doing high fives, i had my fist out instead, and he broke stride to stop and do a fist-bump instead.
Got autographs both times.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
GMJ said “I’ll catch up with you later” twice to my kids and he never would stop later on… Never got his auto, never want it, anyway.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Oct 28, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the hostility
He gets $23M for the next two seasons. The Angels can package him with $8M and sell him as a versatile OF who makes $7.5M a season, which—sad to say—is no longer an outrageous salary. Anybody looked at Mike Cameron’s paydays? Aaron Rowand? Vernon Wells? Alex Rios? Raul Ibanez?
A buydown on the remainder of Matthews’ contract and he is very tradable, especially since he didn’t pout and posture like Bradley did. I think he’ll fetch a puzzle piece.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 27, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice guy yes
But he misrepresented himself in his final year of his contract with Texas, which led to us overpaying him. I was hoping Arte would be the first owner to sue for misrepresentation due to performance enhancers. This would have been a good can-of-worms to open for baseball, but this will probably never happen.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did he misrepresent himself?
he had a career year and we bit (wish that his kid was going to Cal Berkely so he would have gone to SF…oh well).
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was on HGH in that career year
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Oct 28, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he really? In 2006? Or was it prior to that?
I thought the reports were all that it was pre-2006…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004 according to espn
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he was decent when he did play for us and filled in well this year. Maybe we can get a reliever or something for sending him where he wants. The Reds could use outfield help couldn’t they?
by Commander_Nate on Oct 27, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my first thought -
don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Oct 27, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is my first and last thought about it.....
"Maybe Fitzy just has a horsehoe up his ass winning the two games he has, but you don’t bench someone who has a horseshoe up his ass." - Applsoss
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary, we'll miss you.
But our collective aim is getting better.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Oct 27, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The timing is excellent. Sosh showcased you in Game 6 of the ALCS.
Thre must be a huge line of GM reps forming outside the stadium even now…
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 27, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We could provide them with a cd of the few really great clutch hits Gary made over the past season.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Oct 27, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A CD? A whole CD? that many worthy catches? I was thinking maybe a floppy diskette.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will leave it up to you Stirrups.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Oct 27, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ prides himself as "old school". Therefore...
8-inch floppy diskette. Double Sided, Double Density. 800KB. Maybe three video clips.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they still make those?
or do you have to go archives?
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually own one.
I have a small collection of computer crap from my many years in the biz.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 28, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually threw out the very first computer I bought about 3 years ago.
It didn’t even have a hard drive…just 2 floppies. And an Intel 386 chip! What a donosaur. Amazing how much the market has changed in 20 years.
by sothball on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PC's before the i386 are the ones that are rare.
I used to be able to browse the electronics sections of thrift stores for amazing computer antiques. Now thrift stores will not even accept them as donations, so the well is dry. My holy grail was The Adam. It ran off of two cassette tape drives!
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 28, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Commadore 64?
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commodore 64's were awesome machines. And very popular.
There are many of them still around. The Amiga was a revolutionary graphic computer back around the same time. I would rather have an Amiga as a collector, than a C64.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost bought a Kaypro II in the early 80's...
…but decided to wait awhile until the market “settled”. Ha!!! I finally realized after a couple of years that the market was never going to settle, and bought a generic 386/25. The operating system was MD-DOS, and all their funky commands.
Ahhhh…the not so good old days.
by sothball on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For my part
I still miss CP/M.
What we've got can't be bought
by rspencer on Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the history between Gary Kildall and IBM,
so did we all.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are we all failing to see that this is all Steve Finley's fault
by UCIHalo on Oct 27, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It all comes down to Stoneman
Had he gone after Beltran instead of Finley we could have skipped two albatross contracts.
by HungryHunter on Oct 28, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
very true.
But in that case we would have never signed, Torii, either. Not that Beltran is a bad substitute by any means (he’s probably a bit better, actually), especially if it had saved us the heartache of Finely/Matthews. Its just that after only 2 seasons its hard to imagine this team WITHOUT Torii.
by dmhead on Oct 28, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Junior was better than Rivera for the second half of the season
He deserved more playing time.
http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.
#34
by Carl Johnson on Oct 27, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!!!
LOL I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED
by Angels_48 on Oct 27, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Gary really wants to leave......
….and really believes he can be a productive major league center-fielder, then put your money where your mouth is and opt out of your contract and become a free-agent.
We all know that is not going to happen.
Matthews is 35 years old. In his three years with the Halos, he’s hit .248/.325/.383. How well he hit in part-time roles over the past several months is not going to matter when compared to the diminishing results he’s strung together over the last several years.
The fact of the matter is that the Angels are not going to get a player of real value in return for Matthews in a trade, so the only purpose in making any move involving Matthews is to reduce the financial commitment to him. The trading of bad contracts (e.g. Zito for Matthews) solves nothing.
Reagins should get with Matthews agent and make it clear – Gary’s going to be the 5th outfielder with the Angels in 2010 unless he agrees to a negotiated buyout of his contract (target 60 to 70 cents on the dollar). The Angels reduce their financial commitment to him and Matthews can be free to sign with another team. It’s a win-win and both parties can move forward cleanly.
by mustard_man on Oct 28, 2009 4:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Buyout?
Reagins should get with Matthews agent and make it clear – Gary’s going to be the 5th outfielder with the Angels in 2010 unless he agrees to a negotiated buyout of his contract (target 60 to 70 cents on the dollar)
I think the Player’s Association would have a thing to say about that.
Like “no way”.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 28, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finesse
Yes, I agree it would be flat-out stupid for Reagins to publicly discuss a buyout of Matthews contract. This issue would need to be worked by the Angels front-office with finesse. My point remains that Matthews has already made the public statement that he wants to play everyday. If Reagins and Scoscia told Matthews or his agent that he was going to be the 5th outfielder on the depth chart, I strongly suspect a solution can be negotiated. There’s nothing the MLBPA can do if the Angels tell a player that he’s low on the depth chart. The MLBPA might not want Matthews to negotiate out of his current contract to be a free agent, but they can not legally stop him either.
If Matthews really wants to play everyday, and if the Angels really want to provide him the opportunity do that that while limiting their financial exposure, this issue can disappear.
by mustard_man on Oct 28, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better to just cut him, eat the contract than trade it for another albatross...
If another team picks him up they have to pay the league minimum, and we have to pay him that much less…
Trading him for a Milton Bradley or shutter Vernon Wells could turn a disaster into armageddon…
by Jietoh on Oct 28, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was reading some comments on mlbtraderumors.com...
and one guy proposed a GMJ for Derek Lowe. This can be good.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 28, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Does Lowe qualify as the playoff-dominant pitcher the Angels need? No, seriously, I’m asking. I like Lowe otherwise and wouldn’t mind this type of trade; I just don’t necessarily see him making a meaningful difference.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoff dominant?
im not sure about that. I haven’t seen that much of Lowe so I would know. Just thought I would be a nice backup plan if Lackey leaves and we cant get Roy Halladay.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is only 1 GM that would trade for him
Brian Sabean… I don’t know how and who but when it comes to obviously stupid trades or signings he is the man.
Come on Ninja, do it.
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
by SalmonStream on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Bill Bavasi, if he still had a job.
Badum-ching.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 28, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Steve Phillips!
I am fan various years ago.
by Fred Fredrix on Oct 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My son is a HUGE GMJ fan...
All because he treated him well one time when they met outside the player parking lot. He might not be the best athlete but damn if he isn’t one of the nicest baseball players I’ve ever met.
I wish him the best.
by Sweetmeats on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
confirmed by several other posts
He’s not a bad player, we’re just overpaying him. And that’s his fault because….?
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe kansas city can take him.
we’ll be nice and just accept soria in return. hell, we’ll do them a favor and throw in napoli and settle for just greinke.
"it's mind-bottling."
by retrohalo on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Dream
But K.C. won’t take his contract even if we pay 70%.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back and read the first post again
Then see if you can feel retrohalo’s sarcasm.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 1, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As Kobe Bryant would say....
“SHIP HIS ASS OUT!”
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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