A lurkers thoughts on the off-season
With the heart breaking end of the season still glaring at us from behind the tube, while the Yankees and Phillies fight for intergalactic East Coast dominance, it's that time of the year for me to look forward to the off-season. With our off-season inevitably looming ahead, it seems a bit like a steam train heading straight towards an 8 foot thick brick wall and neither side is going to come out ahead. Obviously that analogy is referring to the Free Agent class bred from the 2009' Angels and the Angels Organization.
It's well documented that the Angels will have several key positions most likely leaving the organization this off-season, and to say that is fair is an understatement. We've had, probably the best years out of 4 of the impending Free Agents, including John Lackey, Chone Figgins, Vladimir Guerrero and Darren Oliver. Each of these players has contributed whole-heartedly to the club and it's fair to say they want what they want, be it money or championships. With a total of (I believe) 6 Free Agents on the active roster, the organization does have a lot of holes to fill.
* Vladimir Guerrero
* Chone Figgins
* John Lackey
* Darren Oliver
We know their stats, we know their production, we know just about everything that we need to know to gauge how valuable they are to the Angels. I won't dwell into the stats all that much, I'm not a stat-head myself which makes me probably the least likely of person you'd want discussing those type of arguments. The question here is, what do we do to replace the total production. I'll start with Abreu and work my way down, guesstimating, hypothesizing and using voodoo to predict my outcome.
Abreu: It's hard to mask his type of production, patience and even if it's not a stat, influence on other players. This is a player who is a typical #2 style hitter, that can draw a walk, hit a bomb and run the base paths with ease. His liability is his defense, which would make him much more likely to extend his career in the American League. Unfortunately I don't see Abreu returning to the Angels as he has not accepted the Angels initial offer, and I can't see the Angels extending the offer for an aging defenseless outfielder.
Guerroro: This is another individual who's feats are widely known all throughout baseball and who's untraditional skill set makes him a viable threat to anyone who's risky enough to keep his injured body in the dugout. With the lack of available sluggers on the Free Agent market or trading block, I can absolutely see the Angels trying to resign him to a 2 year deal with an club option for a third. Or possibly a 1 year deal with a mutual option followed by a club option. This doesn't have to do with only the fact that he is still a slugger, but also that he draws audiences and is as Rev said, a sure-fire HOFer.
Figgins: Figgins had a career year, several times. Whether it be SB's, AVG or OBP, he's a bit of a chameleon in the statistical standpoint. In my opinion, the man has slowed down, forgotten how to hit ground balls and lacks the initial burst of a true base stealer. I'm no scout, or stat-head (as mentioned previously) this is all just based on observation over this last season. I cannot see the Angels trying to resign Figgins, it doesn't make sense on any level for the organizations future.
Lackey: Oh Lackey, Lackey, Lackey, sentimentally this is a hard thing for me to see. I was hoping the Angels were going to be able to lock him up to an extended contract last year, alas it never happened. This is the one Free Agent that if the Angels are not able to re-sign, will hurt the most in my opinion. Never dominating, always resourceful Lackey, is an Ace in his own right. Sure he doesn't have a FIP of 1.1, or a 97MPH FB and a 8" Breaking Splitter like some Bostonians call the "Ace of All Aces". What he does have his determination, heart and the ability to spot pitches when he's on that makes him a bit of a Maddux style pitcher. I forsee the Angels attempting whole-heartedly to resign Lackey to a 5/75 up to a 6/85 type of deal.
Oliver: Oliver is awesome, plain and simple, the man of a million jobs and he knows how to do each of them. Most likely he'll be heading to retirement, which bums me a bit, I always liked him. As a person he was really easy to talk to and converse with even at the Park. If he does not retire, the Angels will offer him arbitration and he will accept being the clever man that he is (ala 08' Off Season).
Quinlan: Q, I have nothing to say here. There was this one year where he hit lefties really well. Was that like 3 or 4 years ago? He seemed like a hardworking player, but never grew into a sustainable every-day player. He's not an A or B type free agent and I can't see the Angels re-signing him with other available youngsters in the minors or a deeper class of backup players in the Free Agent Pool.
My final thoughts on this matter in particular is if the Angels are unable to resign either Abreu or Lackey then they will have to explore both Trades and Free Agents. I could see them trying to explore Holliday depending on the shake of the economy for top-tier Free Agents. They could, and most likely will give SD a call to see how Adrian's doing (with the obvious hang-up right when Gonzalez's name is mentioned). Jorge Cantu could be moved to RF if they attempted to talk with the Marlins. There are many names available, too bad not all of them are the impact players the Angels are looking for.
As for Lackey, if they can't resign him then that's an issue and I personally do not feel like Sean O'Sullivan has the ability to be a 5th Starter for an entire Season. Possibly a look at Javier Vasquez, or Jeremy Bonderman? Who knows, but it will be an entertaining off-season none the less.
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Imagine, if you will, Figgins leading off in front of Jeter.
He’ll probably get more pitches to hit, so his walk numbers could diminish, but he would have no problem scoring runs once on base and if pitchers are deciding whether to pitch to Jeter/Tex/A-Rod or worry about Figgins at first, I think he gets more clean stolen bases. He’d take over an outfielder’s spot and be better than whoever he replaces defensively.
I’ve spent a lot of time recently thinking about how these guys could hurt us if we don’t re-sign them.
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen
I’m not sure why this continually gets brought up here, but Figgins has not played the outfield in 3 years. Why would a team like that give him big dollars to play a position that they aren’t sure he can even play? Especially when they can just resign Damon, whom they already know can play the outfield and puts up better all around numbers. He will most likely sign with a team that needs a second baseman, or possibly a 3rd baseman. He will be in high demand and will make his money, but I’ll bet you a dollar whoever signs him will do so wanting him to play infield.
by dmhead on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damon has no arm. Figgy has a cannon.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how exactly
does that help him track fly balls? The bottom line is no one in their right mind is going to pay a guy with no power that never plays the outfield a lot of money to play a corner outfield position. And who’s to say Chone even WANTS to play the outfield after working so hard to become a gold glove caliber 3rd baseman?
by dmhead on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money talks.
Figgy would play OF anywhere for $10 million per season rather than play 3B somewhere for $6 mill. As would any modern ballplayer.
I do concur with you in one respect. The last time I watched Figgy play OF it was pretty scary.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 29, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
If that were the case I’m sure Figgy would do whatever they wanted. I just assume most teams will only invest that kind of money in him knowing what they were getting out of him defensively, which could only be at second or third.
My irrational fear? The Sux sign him to play short.
by dmhead on Oct 29, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not an irrational fear. That fear is irrational.
When the fear becomes irrational is when you start to think about Figgy becoming the 2010 ALCS MVP as the Sux defeat the Halos in 5.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Restate
“That is not an irrational fear. That fear is rational. "
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
until I read this restatement
I spent three minutes trying to deconstruct the sentence. I figured since Stirrups wrote it, it had to make sense. Maybe it was an obscure Tarantino quote.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 30, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am, admittedly, off my game at the moment.
Something about the gap now in my daily life with the departure of meaningful baseball. My typos remain, but my writing skills and thought processes are in a stupor. I have to go small and work my way back up, like some sort of physical therapy program to recover from the pissed-offishness that rages within due to (yet) another poor post-season showing. I will right this ship, and my writing skills will return. Meanwhile, send flowers.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't they lead off their best lead off hitter?
Figgins is not that guy.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Oct 29, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guerroro?
ROFLCOPTER!
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 29, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IMHO
- Oliver won’t retire because it’s more fun to kick ass than sit on your ass.
- We’ll sign Vlad because he wants to stay, and as you said, he brings in fans.
- I disagree about Lackey. I think he’ll leave just like every other disgruntled player has left. And I think we’ll be fine without him. O’Sullivan isn’t the only guy that can fill that fifth spot. Either Trevor might be ready. Palmer did just fine as a fifth starter. Plus, Moseley might be back in the mix. Plus plus, Weaver is developing into just as dominant an ace, followed by multiple all-stars.
- Figgins will also stay. The Angels don’t have another viable option to lead-off, and there aren’t any good free agents who can lead off like he can. They will do whatever needs to be done to keep him.
- Abreu, I would love to keep, but he may go. He doesn’t have any mothers in Anaheim. His influence on the team this season was…ummm…influential.
- Q is irreplaceable. We might as well give up if he leaves. ;-)
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Oct 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chupa said he was very happy here and wanted to stay.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember someone else saying they were happy to play here...

Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Oct 29, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he (that someone else) didn't say he LOVED playing here and definitely definitely wanted to stay!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Oct 31, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
he also is rumored to have turned down our offer.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read two years @ $8MM per
Not sure I would offer much more. Maybe an option year vesting upon ABs
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 31, 2009 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay
The Yankees are going to sign Bay to add power to thier lineup. His defense will not be any worse than Damon’s. They will also be taking a big bat from Boston. And it will also team up 2/3rds of the former best outfield in the NL with Nady in RF.
by Baylorsgroove on Oct 30, 2009 2:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because that's what the Yankees need...
more power.
if they need anything, it’s to get younger.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power
Remember Damon and Matsui are gone sp the Yankees will need to replace those numbers. Bay goes to left, Posada DH’s a lot more and they sign a catcher, maybe Pudge Rodriguez to fill in for a year until they steal Mauer from the Twinkies.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
- Bobby Abreu – he’s as good as gone if he doesn’t get what he wants, which is probably a little bump in salary and two or three guaranteed years.
- Vladimir Guerrero – the Angels will make an effort to resign him on a discounted basis, but if he is still looking for all-star money or length of contract, then he moves on.
- Chone Figgins – hard to figure out / the Angels will probably let him go, let Wood be the third baseman and let Aybar figure out the top of the lineup role. If Wood falters, then Izturis can probably step in for a while.
- John Lackey – the Angels will probably try hardest to sign this SOB, because he is the face of the rotation. There isn’t going to be anyone on the Angels starting rotation like Lackey – mainly good, sometimes bad.
- Darren Oliver – I can easily see him going to the Yankees or some other team willing to ensure [for the next couple of years[ he makes a little more money than he is currently making.
- Robb Quinlan – the Angels probably shouldn’t re-sign him, but he has hung around the organization for a long time…maybe he is the official clubhouse mascot.
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Oct 31, 2009 3:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the Rally Quinlan
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Oct 31, 2009 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oliver
Every published report I have read indicates is has nothing to do with being outbid by the Yankees or anyone else.
Instead, it is whether Oliver will elect to retire or not. He is 40, been on the road most of the year for a long time (home and family are in Texas) and may well be sick and tired of it. After awhile, some guys figure they’re set for the rest of their lives and want to go home and watch their kids grow up.
Either he elects to sign with the Angels—and I would bet there will be a good offer from the team—or he retires from the game.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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