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Reasons why Napoli should be the Angels' DH in 2010


OK, this may be a long one. Everyone here keeps talking about a certain month or a last half vs first half, when spouting Napoli’s stats. It goes deeper than that, as I’ll try to explain. I put Vlad’s and Nap’s Game Logs ( from www.baseball-reference.com ) for the year 2009, side by side.

Here are the important dates to consider. Vlad was out on the DL twice, from 4/16 thru 5/24, and from 7/8 thru 8/3. During Vlad’s 1st trip, Napoli did not DH until 5/1, and then he DH’ed a total of 9 times until Vlad came back. On Vlad’s 2nd trip to the DL, Naps 1st time to DH was 7/10, and this time he DH’ed 7 times. ( Late in the year Naps had 4 DH Abs, late in games after we had already won the division title.)

During the time he was DH’ing, Naps was catching in about half the games, and DH’ing the other half. Napoli’s total DH splits were .359 BA, .431 OBP, .594 SLG, and 1.024 OPS, and when Vlad came back – the time Napoli started playing less than half the games, and didn’t DH anymore – Naps was at .293 BA, .373 OBP, .533 SLG, with 16 HRs and 43 RBIs.

Once Vlad returned Napoli was played very sporadically, and his offense sputtered to being awful. In looking at these numbers, it is obvious to me, that with regular playing time, Napoli is a star – a legitimate force in the lineup. When he plays sporadically, he goes downhill fast. Here’s a glaring example. Napoli started 100 games this year, ( at least 1/3 in the last 2 months of the year, so declining.) where his stats were quite acceptable. During his STARTS his stats were .278 BA, .356 OBP, and .504 SLG.

Something that dragged all his numbers down, was his PH appearances, where he was 1 for 11. Look at his season numbers and realize the effect that 1 for 11 had on his totals. Obviously Napoli is NOT a good PH’er.

Here’s something else interesting. From the time Scioscia finally decided to DH Naps, in those 2 stretches of time, including the games he caught, the team was 29-9. THAT, my friends is a good case for making Napoli the 60-80% DH next year, and an excellent reason to let Vladdy walk away.

I also looked up the team’s record again, in games where Vladdy started. Up until the last 5 games of the year, when we were playing loose, having won the division, the team was 42-41 in Vladdy’s starts. THAT, my friends is an even better reason to let Vladdy walk away.

Based on the possibility of playing regularly, DH'ing 4 games and catching one, I can see Mike easily getting 600 ABs, and accumulating totals like .280 BA, 35+ HRs, 90-100 RBIs, .400 OBP, and .550 SLG %. ( He also walks more, and strikes out less, when he plays regularly.) Thanks for reading.


 

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four half year’s stats – where he essentially kept improving, until Vlad came back 8/4. From that point on, for inexplicable reasons, Naps seemed to be in Sciosh’s crap-house – and he went downhill fast.

In MY humble opinion, Napoli was severely mismanaged for that last two months, while Vladdy was allowed to pretty much clog up both the DH and cleanup spots. Over the last 6 weeks of the season Vlad was a full-time DH/Cleanup batter, with essentially .265 BA, doinkster production.

by R.Munkee on Oct 30, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your .265 citation

is a smokescreen.

Vlad played many games at DH in the past few seasons because he he was too hurt to play in the filed but no too hurt ot go on the DL, but was obviously not the complete player he is when healthy.

Like the complete healthy DH that you just saw in the playoffs (but never mentioned), or were you too busy selling OC real estate to suckers who think the market is back to notice?

by Rev Halofan on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Inexplicable" only to those who don't pay attention
From that point on, for inexplicable reasons, Naps seemed to be in Sciosh’s crap-house – and he went downhill fast.

Napoli’s defense and game-calling went downhill in a hurry, causing Scioscia to bench him at one point.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prove to me, and everyone else...

that his “defense and game-calling” went downhill in a hurry. Take your time, because it’s gonna take a long time to prove something that is, most likely, unprovable.

He started sitting because his bat got cold. Plain and simple. If he had continued his early season tear he would have accumulated 600 AB’s this year. He just cooled off and Scioscia seems to think that Mathis is better defensively.

Don’t spout off to me about anything else, GK until you can put your money where your mouth is and prove this comment. You present it as fact and provide none.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just back from vacation?

This has been pretty widely covered.

See here

“We’ve talked to Nap, and Nap has the ability to be a real good influence behind the plate,” Scioscia said. “But I think he’s gotten away from some fundamentals of pitch selection and pitch execution that’s making it tough for him to get in sync with some guys. He’s done it before. It’s just that he’s in a defensive funk right now.”

A catcher’s effect on pitch selection is obvious, but the effect of a catcher on pitch execution is more subtle.

“You want to give the right visual in the right count to a pitcher,” Scioscia said. "If you’re supposed to be setting up on the outer third (of the plate) and you’re off the corner, there’s a moment when a pitcher is delivering the pitch and he’ll say, ‘Wait — that doesn’t look right.’

“That can affect the quality of a pitch, and Mike has been just a little out of sync with that. I think there are some very minor mechanical adjustments he needs to make as far as his setup and his shifting.”

And here

Those days seemed like a long time ago on Wednesday, when a glum Scioscia watched Napoli make a pivotal error on a throw from the outfield and flat out drop a pitch out in the midst of a tense 3-2 game. The Angels could have lived with that if Napoli had been contributing offensively.

But he hasn’t been for some time. He went into the Yankees game with four hits in his last 48 at bats. And although he went 1-for-2, managing an early single, when crunch time came, Scioscia again made it clear how he feels about his onetime protege.

With two men on in the bottom of the eighth and Napoli due up, the manager called him back and had Maicer Izturis pinch hit for him.

That one move told you all you need to know about Napoli’s immediate future.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This, to me...

says more about Scioscia than Napoli.

I asked for proof that Napoli regressed defensively, you gave me anecdotes, which does not equal proof. There is nothing that shows Napoli to be worse behind the plate than Mathis – nothing that would be dramatic enough to make up for the fact that Mathis hits like a 10 year old girl, anyway.

Scioscia has a crush on Mathis to the point where he is blindly putting the worse player in the lineup because of perceived inadequacies of Napoli.

I understand that Scioscia thinks Napoli could do a better job defensively, but so could all of the players. However, nothing Napoli does defensively negates the offensive edge he gives you when he is in the lineup and catching. Having a .900 OPS catcher in the lineup is rare beyond belief and Scioscia is punting that advantage 50% of the time.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I somehow would trust our former (HOF ?) catcher manager when he analyzes our current catcher's problem than I would much else

Especially given that we’re not privy to info. and such that teh Soth is, and also given that, as you said, these things are hard to quantify.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 31, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irony: The other white meat

Thanks for the robust meal.

First, you put yourself in a predicament with your schoolyard challenge to put up or shut up—then, when such information was shown to be readily available and widely known, you attempt to weasel out by dismissing the evidence provided as “anecdotal”

I asked for proof that Napoli regressed defensively, you gave me anecdotes, which does not equal proof.

Once we get past the hilarity of direct, published quotes from someone being dismissed as “anecdotal” (curl up with a good dictionary if you’re still baffled), you deliver your neutron bomb of irony:

Scioscia has a crush on Mathis to the point where he is blindly putting the worse player in the lineup because of perceived inadequacies of Napoli.

Let’s discuss assertions which need to be backed up with facts, shall we? After all, what was that you wrote before? Oh, yes, now I remember:

Don’t spout off to me about anything else, GK until you can put your money where your mouth is and prove this comment. You present it as fact and provide none.

Wow, just seeing that on screen once more made me laugh all over again.

To review: Scioscia’s comments weren’t that Napoli was being benched because he had dropped a pitch or failed to throw out a runner, but that he was failing repeatedly to frame the target for his pitchers. The result of that is that the pitchers get out of synch and their control is negatively impacted. Unsaid here, but a good bet, is that at least one of them complained to Scioscia about this; regardless, it is obvious to a former catcher when his current catcher isn’t setting up behind the plate properly.

I thank you sincerely for the great laugh you have provided. It takes genuine talent to squeeze so much hypocrisy, self-righteousness and general ineptitude into the span of a few posts.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough on the irony, GK.

However, Scioscia is playing the lesser player, George. The quotes from Scioscia are his opinions based on his observations. They are, in no way, facts. For you to claim that they are is disingenuous or worse, ignorant.

This team, for five years now, had neede more offense. The fans have clammored for it and the pitchers have asked for it too. Yet, when the team produces a home grown mashing catcher people still want to bitch about someone not framing a pitch properly. It’s lunacy, George.

That is my point in this thread; Napoli is one of the best catchers in the game and still Scioscia and others try to find a way to play the lesser player based on stuff that can’t be proven.

Glad I could provide a laugh, too. Always try to help.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Oct 31, 2009 10:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Opinions versus Facts

This just becomes all the more amusing with each passing reply.

Your challenge to me was to show that Napoli’s defensive abilities had regressed. I provided ample evidence of that, which you now disregard as nothing more than Scioscia’s “opinion” and not as a fact.

I hope your feelings are too terribly hurt if I put more faith in the analysis of a man who:

°Was a catcher at the MLB level for 13 years and was acknowledged as one of the best of his generation
°Has two World Series rings as a player and one as a manager
°Is on the cusp of winning his second AL Manager of the Year awards

After all, Scioscia has not only seen Napoli play in every game but in every drill and practice. I am guessing you have not.

Scioscia has had the ability to speak with his pitchers on the subject of the catchers they work with. I am guessing you have not.

Scioscia has taken the time to review the games on video to analyze the players. I am guessing you have not.

And as noted previously, Scioscia has played the game professionally at a high level for 13 seasons. I am guessing you have not.

While your mancrushes and biases are quite evident in the body of your posts here, you have yet to support your statements with any evidence, preferring instead to beat the same tom-tom of “Napoli is great”. It isn’t lunacy to “bitch about someone not framing a pitch properly” when that is Napoli’s fucking job. If he is making the pitchers stress because he isn’t providing a consistent target, then he is not doing his job.

I’ll let the "Napoli is one of the best catchers in the game " statement stand on its own. I am sure Yadier Molina wet himself from laughing so hard.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scioscia, in an uncharacteristic moment...

made statements which basically threw Napoli under the bus, last August. Mathis has never been more than marginally – a percentage point or two in a couple of categories – the same, in others – better than Napoli, defensively.

This was the first time I can remember Scioscia publically reprimanding one player, while OVERLY gushing about his counterpart/replacement. All of this materialized just as Vlad was coming back, because of a groundswell of fan inquiries about whether Vlad should be replacing Napoli in the lineup, when the team was obviously going gangbusters.

To refresh your memories, dated 8/3, the day before Vlad came back:

Most of us recognize Scioscia’s “blow smoke up reporter’s ( and fan’s.) asses” and could easily see that this was just MS being at his egotistical, stubborn best. We would NEVER would have foreseen that Napoli – from that moment on – would actually be relegated to playing every other day, and batting in the 8 or 9 hole for the last two months of the season, but that he was. ( He usually batted 5th or 6th, as the DH, – a couple of times even 4th, BTW.) Link:

I for one am hoping that Napoli teaches Scioscia a good lesson next year, and becomes another Adam Dunn, while DH’ing 75% of the time. ( .280 BA, 40 HRs, .400 OBP, .550 SLG. in 600 ABs.)

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Naps replaces Vlad

And posts those numbers (not saying it’s not possible), I will leave your Vlad bashing alone.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 31, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That won't be an issue.....

because Vladdy wouldn’t be here.

If Vlad is still here, two things will happen – Vlad won’t come close to reaching my Napoli numbers, AND, more importantly, with Vladdy here, he will block Napoli, depriving him of 300 ABs, just like he did this year. Consequently, with Vladdy still here, Napoli won’t be able to reach those numbers, either.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Napoli/Adam Dunn

I like your hypthesis except for one thing, if he does hit like Adam Dunn, can he please leave the 150+ k’s alone and maybe do it less than 100?

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 31, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But Napoli is still capable of getting a .350 OBP and .500 SLG while hitting .220

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 30, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're interested in numbers like those from the DH spot...

…then let’s be done with it and trade for Adam Dunn. At least we’d be a lock to get 35-40 HR from the DH.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell yes I'm interested in those numbers from a DH

but frankly, I think Napoli’s .220 days are behind him, anyway. I think it’s pretty clear now that he’s pretty-well settled in as at least a .250 type hitter, with a good eye and IMMENSE power. His rate stats slipped in the latter half of the year, but early in the season he was the ALL-TIME leader in AB:HR ratio amongst Major League catchers.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're interested in numbers like those from the DH spot...

Then by mid-year, Tony should trade someone else for Dunn so that the Angels’ would have a MOTO trifecta of Kendry, (3rd) Napoli,(4th) followed by Dunn (5th) – good for a high OBP, and about 115 HRs, between them.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you sir

have a man crush on Adam Dunn

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 31, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn

is a very, very good hitter. Certainly worthy of a man-crush. Do you disagree?

RIP Nick...

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by jimmuscomp on Oct 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but but but

he only hits homers or strikes out!!! you can steal bases with that!!!!!

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 31, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem with that

just making an observation

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 1, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really,

I just think it would be great to have a LH bopper in the lineup – and he’s one of the best.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Napoli DH

So we should let Vlad and his HOF numbers walk, put Napoli at DH which is a big question mark, and make Mathis who hit what .211 the everyday starter!
I think someone is caught up in the fluke at bats during the playoffs by Mathis.
Resign Vlad and use Naps at catcher 120-140 games.

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 30, 2009 2:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any traction on this idea is doubtful

It would not surprise me to see either Mathis or Napoli packaged in a trade this offseason, with Bobby Wilson elevated to Anaheim, thus making room for Conger at SLC.

Regardless of which one is traded, that negates any purpose in putting Napoli in as full-time DH.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 6:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think Bobby Wilson will be our second catcher in 2010.

by ryanfea on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he is...

he’ll be beating out Mathis, not Napoli.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading one of them

Something to think about. Listening to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on the radio praising Mathis for his game calling and defense mixed with his extremely hot bat in the playoff might make him a more worthy trade bait than Napoli who seemed to get lambasted.

Just my humble thought.

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 31, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Napoli is so unbelievably overrated.

He mashed for like a month then came back down to earth. He’s ALWAYS been horrible at contact..DHing this guy would be a tragic mistake, but it at least might derail this bizarre bandwagon of napoli fans.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

his BA w/ RISP is also horrendous

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Napoli never goes 1 for 50. No not at all. It has nothing to do with his swing approach at all. It’s because Vladdy is on the team, keeping Napoli from being able to realize his true potential by clogging up the DH spot. This is R.Munkee’s ENTIRE focus on Angel baseball. The reason he hates Vlad is because he has a hard-on for Mike Napoli.

But here’s the truth…Napoli is like Reggie Jackson. He will walk up to the plate and stike out several times before he even makes contact. But he will hit just enough homeruns to keep people wanting him around. His problem is he ONLY tries to hit homeruns. That’s why he strikes out 9 out of ten at bats.

by firebird81 on Oct 30, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

When Nap gets hot, he hits a ton of extra base hits and not just homeruns.

by TheAntiSox on Oct 30, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

He is prone to longer stretches where he hits nothing at all. If he was catching that game, then he has secondary value in the lineup, but if he’s DH and hitting nothing at all, then he is really going to be stinking up the joint.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But aren't most of those anemic stretches...

…coming at times when he’s platooning and not actually playing in half the games? He seems like the kind of hitter that needs AB’s every day to catch that groove, for example, last year August into Sept. That was a month+ tear that he went on hitting F^&*ing everything in sight.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 30, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

No player is going to hit well with random at bats

by TheAntiSox on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Random at bats"?!?

Check out his game log this past season. This isn’t significantly different from how Scioscia handled Bengie, and he seemed to do well.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres two stretches in there where he played everyday.

April 30th – May 19th and July 10th – July 28th. At the start of the first run of consecituve games he had a BA of .283 and an OPS of 1.009. By the end he was hitting .313 with a .939 OPS. Early season drop in SLG and OBP, but he was HITTING the ball. By the time his second run starts his AVG. has dropped back to .289 with his OPS falling to .887. By the end it has fallen to .278/.873, BUT, he hits 5 HR and drives in 12 runs during that 15 game stretch indicating he’s at least seeing the ball better.

It’s also pretty difficult to compare Bengie to Napoli. Bengie was never a serious power threat and much more of a contact hitter. Naps on the other hand has a bit of a long swing though the zone. With the two very different approaches at the plate Bengie was able to sit for one to two games and not lose his timing because he was quicker to the ball. With Napoli it’s the same thing everyone says about Wood, with constant playing time he maintains his timing.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 30, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ngie has had some clutch hits for SF

and is defense is MILES above Napoli’s

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O...

I definitely don’t doubt that. My reason for not wanting to compare them was the type of swings they had, and how sitting on the bench for a couple days could affect their timing.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 30, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should probably

Give it time before you can compare Nap to B-Mo.

by TheAntiSox on Oct 31, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you watch Bengie Molina try

to block balls in the dirt during his last year in Anaheim? He has zero lateral movement. Molina is very mediocre behind the dish these days. There was a time when he was a stud defensively – those days are long past.

RIP Nick...

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by jimmuscomp on Oct 31, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True that

Bengie is one of the few players in baseball who has hamstrings connected to actual hams. His thighs are enormous, and it ultimately affected his ability to move behind the plate.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 1, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

Let me clarify.

Random games played because both catchers were selected by which pitcher they catch the best, which obviously, that meant that Nap and Mathis were never going to have a steady rhythm.

by TheAntiSox on Oct 31, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong,

but I thought Reggie was pretty much a dead-pull hitter. At least Naps has power to all fields.

No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.

by Rally Manatee on Oct 30, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Concur completely. In two years Vlad is definitely gone, Conger is ready, and Naps can DH.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 30, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds good.

I wish we could give Naps more ABs. I wish he would really improve his defensive game, and show Sosh what he wants to see. That way he can get the majority of ABs over Mathis.

No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.

by Rally Manatee on Oct 30, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen, I like Naps, but he’s no Mike Piazza.

by firebird81 on Oct 31, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, I was actually referencing statistical fact, not speculation

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Napoli vs. Piazza

Offensively, REALLY similar. The only glaring difference between the two is Naps strikes out more.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 31, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

+10000000000000000000000000000000

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a funny post

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it really means no more Tom Green movies, I am willing to take a flyer on it.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all know you hate Vlad. So we dont need to hear your reasons why Napoli should DH.

Napoli is overrated and I hope we trade him. Conger 2011!

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So, just because you disagree with me...

….just to spite me, you’ll offer Vladdy 5 years and $100 million, AND trade Napoli.

You really need to take some anger management classes, S.C., and take some negotiating classes.

by R.Munkee on Oct 30, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would require anger management?

hmmmm…

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Oct 30, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your still trash dude...

and just because I like to talk shit on your pathetic “I hate vlad because he doesnt hit the ball like a man” comments doesn’t mean that I need anger management classes or negotiating classes. Your just mad because everyone on this site thinks you are one of the worst posters in HH…

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 31, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add grammar, spelling, and people skills'

lessons to your curriculum, while YOU’RE at it – for a full schedule, trash mouth.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry can't add those classes

my pilates class takes up too much of my time…

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 1, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean to be fair

You misspell monkey every time you post. Grammar police is the last defense of an internet argument. It’s always predictable and always hilarious.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Nov 1, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't misspelled...

if you do it intentionally – it was INTENDED to be a play on words.

Your “outing” of my alleged faux pas is similar to the doofusses who have stated that my avatar isn’t a monkey at all – but an ape, while the majority of dictionaries list monkey as the 1st or 2nd choice to define the word ape.

Thank you for the frivolously unnecessary “correction”. Now back to the subject at hand.

by R.Munkee on Nov 2, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's still misspelled even if you do it intentionally

If that wasn’t the case, I would have gotten further in the state spelling bee back when I was in middle school. But hey, it’s not like you haven’t been correcting others in this entire section of this thread.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Nov 2, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who offered Vlad 5 years @ $100 Million.

as discussed elsewhere, if Vlad wants to except a reduce pay and role, he’ll re-sign for much less than 5/100. More like 2/16 or 3/17.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

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by Jay Cal on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3/17?

This is Vladdy you’re talking about – not a spry 29 year old.

NO team will sign Vlad for 3 years – probably not for two years.

Even 2/16 is laughable, unless it meant that $16mm as a maximum of a shitload of options and incentives.

by R.Munkee on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

someone will over pay -- that is almost for certain

but considering every post you make seems to be anti-Vlad, I don’t really take your posts with too much credibility.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

this thread is not anti-Vlad – it’s pro Napoli.

by R.Munkee on Nov 3, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

Rec’d

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

This damn fan-base can’t even appreciate a good offensive player when they have one. Seriously? Trade Napoli? Ridiculous.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Oct 30, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

most of the fan base is still in a love affair

with high-contact, low-OBP players.

strikeouts aren’t the end of the world, folks, especially when the guy striking out is hitting homers and getting on base at a .370+ clip. Heck, Mark Reynolds’ OBP was .349 and he had 223 Ks, but nobody wanted him traded.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading--it's fun for the whole family!
This damn fan-base can’t even appreciate a good offensive player when they have one. Seriously? Trade Napoli? Ridiculous.

What makes the idea “ridiculous”? Do you think he has no trade value? Or are you one of those who thinks we should be able to get Adrian Gonzales in exchange for Willits, Palmer and some of Reagins’ pocket lint?

One with discriminating reading skills would understand I didn’t advocate trading Napoli (not that it is an inherently bad idea), but instead simply stated I wouldn’t be surprised if Napoli or Mathis was traded, in order to create the necessary space on the SLC roster for Conger. The team paid a fat bonus to Conger and has an understandable interest to advance him as needed through the minors; at the same time, both Napoli and Mathis hit their first year of arbitration and are therefore under team control fairly affordably for the next three seasons, which can give them currency in the trade market.

IF (note the conditional term) Reagins makes a move for a player like Halladay, a player like Napoli might well be part of the exchange. The very idea that we think he has value is praise, not the lack of appreciation you seem predisposed to believe.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bracing for impact....

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

George, I was intending that comment toward...

SenorChuckles.

I don’t exactly agree with you about much in this thread, but this wasn’t directed at you.

But thanks for the smart-ass tone – it’s appreciated.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home

by jimmuscomp on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? that's it?

man, i was expecting a much harsher ass-whoopin’ from you, Jim. ;)

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh....

Too busy to get in a pissing match about something that doesn’t really matter.

Generally, everyone needs thicker skin on the Internet. I don’t really like the tone George had taken of late, but it’s not the end of the world. He is allowed to spew vitriol on the web if he wants to.

Season is over, the front office is hopefully working on this stuff as we speak.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home

by jimmuscomp on Oct 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Or are you one of those who thinks we should be able to get Adrian Gonzales in exchange for Willits, Palmer and some of Reagins’ pocket lint?

I resemble that remark. I really like Napoli, but I don’t think we need to platoon our catcher. Either of Mathis or Napoli should be traded. Either Buddie or Wilson need to be given some ABs at the Major League level.

With that being said, include Napoli in that deal for Gonzales and lets go win.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade equals value to other teams

What’s so hard to grasp there?

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Oct 30, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that his replacement is a career .200 hitter

that everyone bitches about, yet you still want to trade away the one with the .900 OPS.

that’s what.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many times does this need to be written?

Nobody here has advocated trading Napoli.

The statement was that a trade in the offseason was possible, because of reasons already stated:

*The Angels apparently feel Wilson is ready for promotion
*Conger may be ready to percolate to AAA ball
*It requires talent to trade for talent, and if the team is going to pull off a deal above the Alex Ochoa level, it will mean trading players of talent and upside.

To that end, the statement made was that it could be either Mathis or Napoli. Never was the statement a call to trade Napoli. If anything, it was a compliment.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Nobody here had advocated trading Napoli...

“We all know you hate Vlad. So we dont need to hear your reasons why Napoli should DH.
Napoli is overrated and I hope we trade him. Conger 2011!

They want power. We want respect…
by SenorChuckles on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs"

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 31, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken

I missed that one. I am not omniscient, apparently.

Dammit.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

it’s cool.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not advocate trading Napoli

Just didn’t see why you thought putting someone up for a trade is an insult.

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Nov 1, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is foolish to think the resistant to change Mike Scioscia

will do anything other than platoon Napoli and Mathis at catcher in 2010 just as he has done in the past. I think the thought of trading one of them is the farthest thing from his mind as well.

The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com

by 44FAN on Oct 30, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

People forget Naps also battled that nagging shoulder injury for quit a while that hampered playing time and affected his performance prior to going on the DL.

The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com

by 44FAN on Oct 30, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A minor quibble, but I would rather pop-outs or ground outs to 2B, than K's. Every time.

At least with contact, you force the defense to make a play and risk making an error. And if there are runners on base, you have a chance for at least something productive to come from the out.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

though I would like to state, for the record, that while in little league/pony-colt leagues, I was known to intentionally chase really bad pitches in an 0-2 count if i was sure the catcher had no chance of catching it, so I could beat a throw down to first. It never once failed in a handful of attempts. Of course, this is at a level where a catcher’s catching (even on a routine pitch) and fielding ability are far below those of a pro’s.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must not have played Pony/Colt at Shaffer Park in Orange.

I tried that once. The backstop was too shallow and the catcher got a good bounce off the boards.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's kinda sad to think about, really

that my mind, in an 0-2 count, would just sorta naturally slip to thinking “okay, I need to cheat my way on base, because there’s no way I’m getting out of this mess.”

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, my excuse is that I was on a team that was coached to be baserunning demons.

We ran and ran and ran. I am not the fastest guy, but one time on base I stole second, then stole third, then stole home. Well, maybe not “stole” home in the technical sense. I thundered down the basepath like I WAS stealing. I made sure that I was real loud and obvious. I was 2/3’s of the way in a bluff daring the catcher to throw. He choked. He threw without thinking. I practically walked in.

I once led off from second so far that I was more than half way to third. The pitcher freaked and tried to throw me out – by throwing behind me to the shortstop dashing to second.

We went from home to second, first to third, and second to home as a religion. Pitchers, catchers and infielders would practically cry. It was not unusual to force the defense into 8 errors in a game. Clearly, our coach understood the practical limits of players who were only 14. We had a gas.

So, the basic rule was “do anything to get on base”. I took it a little far, perhaps, but I was thinking more about the basic rule than I was about getting my butt out of a bad situation.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was insanely fast at that age

which is why I’d get away with it.

I ‘stole’ first on strikeouts a handful of times. I would draw walks, sprint to first, and round first so hard on the way down, the catcher would throw behind me into right field, so I’d end up at third. I remember losing my helmet a couple times while running…but more than that, I remember hearing the ‘thud thud’ noise inside my head with every step, because those helmets seemed to serve little purpose but to trap all noise internally, allowing it to echo in your ears.

And I was never coached to do that stuff. I mean, granted he approved of my aggressive style, but I was sort of on my own in doing it. I was also a bunting fiend. More than a couple times, I could lay down a bunt 30 feet from the catcher with backspin on it, that would just kick up the chalk. WIthout fail, they’d wait for it to go foul, and by the time it never did, I was standing at first admiring their frustration.

I never had a ton of power. I could spray line drives (I hit the pitcher with comebackers more than my share of times), and be a slash-and-dash type of guy, but I can count on one hand the number of times I clanked a hit off the fence on a fly.

Also, I was a little bitch sometimes. More than once I used too-long a bat, moved to the back of the box, and got on by catcher’s interference in situations where the team needed a baserunner. I would actually walk up to the plate gauging the necessary position and arm extension necessary to hit the glove hand.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are our own little AJ Pierz-what's-his-name!

I had decent power, but it was HK-style. My line drives that cleared the outfield were accidental. I did once clear the bathrooms at Shaffer aprk, a good 340 straight away. That required awesoem power for a young teenager but., again, it was a perfect accident.

I could bunt like a fiend as well. Up until Colt ball, I would try and stretch bunts into doubles. I made it about half a dozen times. It all depended on how the catcher, pitcher and third baseman were huddled around the ball as it rolled up the baseline. If the catcher was in the field of play with his back to me, I kept right on going. He and his gear were always an obstruction. I would be zooming to 2B and cackling inside, listening to 2B and LF freak out. Pwnage!!!

The coach who taught me all this was my first year Pony coach. Gene Tarabilda. He played minor league ball. After that, I had nothing but bored Pop Warner football coaches who knew nothing about running a baseball team, and thought I was batshit crazy. The day I quit baseball was because of this.

The game was tied going into the bottom of the 9th against the team that we were battling for the league lead. With 2 outs, I drew a walk. I stole 2B. I stole 3B. Not because I was fast, but because I picked my spots well and nobody believed anybody would try anything in that situation. I tried my “draw a throw from the catcher” trick several times to no avail. I was about just go ahead and try a straight steal of home, thinking that the catcher was bored of my bluffs. But I had run out of pitches with the batter following me. He struck out. Keep in mind, I was doing this all on my own. My own coach was a clueless observer.

So, trotting back to the dugout to grab my cap and glove, I was the last guy there when I heard our coach call over to the opposing coach and talk him into calling the game as a tie. It was very late in the day, and he must have had something to get to that was more important. I can clearly hear him say “None of these kids on either team want to win, so let’s call it a tie and get out of here.” After what I had just done right in front of his gaddamnable eyeballs, I was furious. I decided that if I had to be hamstrung by ignoramuses as my managerial authority, I did not need to waste any more time at this. I never played another season of organized ball.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh deary me

my ‘career’ in baseball ended in the playoffs.

With a bad call.

And obscenities.

And an ejection.

And embarrassed parents.

And an extremely obese umpire being cut down to size.

And if you saw how bad this call was, perhaps my past essays on how the ‘human element’ of the officials is none-too-endearing to me, and why I can’t wait for them to be gone from the game, would be more explicable.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm enjoying these Little League stories

This would be a great subject for a thread in the dead of Winter.

What we've got can't be bought

by rspencer on Oct 30, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Little League is a whole different set of stories.

As a 12-year old, I once got a triple on a bunt. With no errors. I got to first and the kid playing 1B coach waved me to second. It wasn’t until I was on my way to second that I saw the left side of the infield huddled around my baseball. That ball was spinning wildly and dribbling slowly up the line and I was going to make second base easily. But then I realized that third was not covered, so I kept going. The parents were screaming like mad, but they did that all the time anyway. So the kids in the field had no idea what to listen to. I slid into third about 5 feet from my bunted ball.

And, oddly, shortly after the play ended I considered that baserunning execution to be a failure. For, you see, nobody was covering home, either. Had I remained upright and rounded third far enough, I would have gotten past those infielders and scored an infield bunt home run with no errors on the play!

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glory days

for a computer nerd ;)

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 31, 2009 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Kimosabe!

Do not confuse my career affinity for computer technology with any lack of athletic ability. Until I shattered my ankles in high school, I was a seriously good basketball player in a program that took second in State at the time. I might have been a good baseball player too, but I walked away from the sport as explained above. Football? Only fair to middlin.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Oct 31, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not questioning your talents my friend

just your avocation. and this is a casr of the pot calling the kettle. At Pepsi, tax used to be at the bottom of the corporate totem pole…until SAP :D. Now EVERYONE hates IT and don’t know that tax exists.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Oct 31, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my experience, deservedly so.

I don’t know about the rest of America, but I call Southern California “The Permanent Employment Act for Competent IT Professionals”. In other words, anybody who knows what they are doing can get work in IT here in SoCal, primarily because the people who already have jobs in IT are abso-friggin-lutely incompetent. In my job now, I see numerous enterprise-scale IT shops, and I just cry. These people are stealing money from their management.

But I know enough to still hate Tax! : )

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Nov 1, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They can hate us

as long as they pay us :D

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Nov 2, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and we have more IT people

than most IT companies. Our burn rate for the never ending SAP installation is $1MM a day. What a racket. We should be renamed Pepsisoft.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SAP is a joke.

The problem is that most of the other ERP solutions are worse.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody who buys into an ERP application is a sap.

The whole business model for ERP applications is to attach one’s self to the arteries of capital investment and create a permanent siphon into the vendor’s coffers. They are leeches. They create SAP vendor “consultant” positions for ongoing “development”, for projects that never end, only converting into eternal “maintenance mode”. Meanwhile, the actual product of ERP is used by exactly how many customer employees? And what is the economic benefit to the customer of that limited number of employees using the ERP output? But then, most of those employees are the senior-most managers and a few executives of the customer ranks, so who is going to tell them that the infrastructure created for their daily reports is caosting the company millions of hard dollars that are being drained away from other strategic opportunities. But, hey! At least the execs know what the strategic opportunities are that they can no longer afford to address!!

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Nov 2, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You channel Dilbert way too well.

I have a friend that works for the LA Community College District. They are currently implementing their 4th different payroll system in the last 9 years. To replace the previous one that didn’t work as advertized. Which replaced the previous one that didn’t work as advertized. Which replaced the previous version …

And then there’s Microsoft with their 7th operating system in the last 10 years. I need to get into software.

by sothball on Nov 3, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You missed my "sap" pun. Bummer.

That whole Dilbert thing is based on the real life experiences of Scott Adams working at Pac Bell. I knew that Pac Bell culture back then. True knuckleheads.

The only group that I have crossed paths with who were worse than telco business administrators, would be the business administrators of the LACCD. I once worked on a phone system replacement project for them, responding to an RFP. I had the great distinction of doing a complete walkthrough of every campus, into every nook and cranny, and meeting all the secretaries and bureacrats and hearing their needs and wants. All I could think of was the relative value of bulldozers.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

P.S. - you do NOT want to be into software.

I once wrote a command line utility that allowed batch scripts to modify files inteh Microsoft .INI format, delivering the same functionality that Microsoft provided using their APIs inside Windows. This was back in 1990, when people needed to change their settings BEFORE launching their Windows sessions. I uploaded it as freeware on Compuserve (the very first “editini.exe” in existence). Over the next 10 years there was no end to the amazing ways that people screwed up such a simple little tool.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GIDP could be a tough comparison...

Vlad is in the “4” slot, which means the table is set, whilst Naps is where? 6, 7 or 8 in the lineup? I wonder if that is a valid comparison…

I just checked and in 5 games where Napoli was slotted clean-up he ground into 1 DP. 20% of his games there he hit into DP’s (I know, small sample size).

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Table-set or not

leading the league in the category is a particularly terrible place to be.

On the flip-side, I could also argue that Nap is reaching his prime, while Vlad has left his, so the rate stats will likely to continue to improve for him…and that the same 6-7-8 spot that Naps has that keeps him from DPs also has sapped his run production numbers, meaning no one to drive in, but still similar RBI/per-162 as Vlad.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks C.K.o.D.

You made some great additional points and they’re all valid.

The big thing is Napoli is up and coming, just entering his prime, while Vladdy’s “prime” ship has sailed.

There is NO way that – given similar ABs – over the next couple of years, that Vladdy will come close to Napoli’s production.

Napoli, is Adam Dunn, in our own lineup, waiting for the opportunity to happen. NO other manager would be squandering such an asset.

by R.Munkee on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You so much for this post

I can’t believe that the Anti-Naps crowd. Earlier this year he was being mentioned as only the 2nd catcher of ALL-TIME with a SLG over 500 on a FOX Broadcast. His offense more than makes up for his defensive shortcomings.

by MH252525 on Oct 30, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine. Tell Scioscia.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Oct 30, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good info

Thanks

No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.

by Rally Manatee on Oct 30, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CKOD FTW

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Oct 30, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rather a guy strike out alot...

Sigh, whatever happened to the days of guys like Joe Dimaggio. The Yankee Clipper struck out a total of 391 times in his career. Mark Reynolds over in Arizona has struck out over 427 times combined the last 2 seasons.

Don Baylor struck out 51 times in 79. One of the reasons he won the MVP. He put up great numbers because he put the ball in play.

Mike Napoli 103 k’s in 382 AB’s.
Jeff mathis 73 k’s in 237 AB’s
They both whiff about 1/3 of the time. Simply put, who’s numbers can you live with to go with those k’s?

by Baylorsgroove on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game has changed

I doubt Joe puts up those same K number in today’s game.

But aside from that, Joe Dimaggio is one of the all-time greatest players. Asking a guy to strike out at his level is like asking why a serviceable 4th starter like, say, Jon Garland, can’t be more like Christy Mathewson.

And, again, a K is just an out. Ryan Howard, the king of the K (or at least in the royal court now that Reynolds is trying to usurp the throne), is currently 19th all-time in OPS. Dimaggio? 13th.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 1, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

valid point.

I’m just an old fashioned guy when it comes to certain things. I like my games pitched at 1-0 or 2-1 finals. and my hitters making contact like in days of old.

By the way, let’s make it Walter Johnson instead of Christy Mathewson. Johnson is my all time favorite pitcher. :)

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mathewson is mine

which is why I chose him. Hahaha.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 1, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is Mike Napoli is such a streaky hitter you don't know which guy you will get.

He either sucks for a long period of time or is unbelievable but he is not consistent.

Bring back Lackey

by Angelsrthebest101 on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Rudi

was also a streaky hitter and nobody ever complained about his hitting.

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone please

Can anyone post Mathis’s CERA versus Naps? Is that something that can be found? I’m too lazy to find it myself. I keep hearing about how much better Mathis is at saving runs, but I’ve never seen the head-to-head comparison.

No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.

by Rally Manatee on Oct 30, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I remember, it favors Mathis

but from what I also remember, Napoli had significantly more games caught for a lot of our 6th and 7th starters and other table-scrap place fillers like Moseley. But that was also from 2008.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

additionally

I’m pretty sure that intangible ‘game calling’ and working with the pitchers factors into Mathis’ playing time more than the CERA (they were both really close last time I saw). It’s pretty hard to debate catcher-pitcher relationships because we really don’t know what is going on. That being said, playing Mathis is like having only 2 outs every 3rd inning.

wondering what Ortiz did with that game ball...

by vongveng on Oct 30, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is .....

You have to give Napoli some slack though when he was dhing and catching he was getting regular hacks but when Vladdy returned Mathis and him split time so he did not get as much regular time which you can blame on Scoscia, for Mike Napoli’s slump even it was because he did not get consistent hacks.

Bring back Lackey

by Angelsrthebest101 on Oct 30, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Napoli should be the DH

Because Mathis needs his 400-450 at-bats [seriously].

It doesn’t do any of the two buddies justice to be platooned.

Napoli is probably the lesser catcher of the two and maybe he is more productive if he knows he doesn’t have to worry about the nuances of catching every day, especially under a guy like Mike Scioscia, who seems to expect more out of his backstops.

While Napoli is streaky, he can probably be a 25 home home run DH with a mediocre batting average [which isn’t really a problem if he posts a decent on-base percentage].

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Oct 31, 2009 3:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Low-balling

I say he cracks 30 with REGULAR at-bats (500+)

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 31, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or 40,

with 600 ABs. Uh, kinda like Adam Dunn, only right handed. Now THAT would have been a lineup this past year.

No Bobby, no Vladdy, with Napoli and Dunn in the 3 and 4 holes. High OBP and 80 HRs!

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't bank on 40

he’s still too streaky, and his career averages would suggest 500 AB = ~31 homers.

But with his walk total, it’d still be good.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 and 4 holes

Holes is the key. 80 HR’s and 300 K’s.

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 1, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So let me get this straight...

you DON’T like strike outs?

by dmhead on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you ask Dunn if he wanted to DH?

Didn’t think so.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 1, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To play for a contender?

I think that Dunn would LOVE the opportunity to contribute to such a team in any way he was asked to.

by R.Munkee on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then you don't know Adam Dunn.

He stated repeatedly during free agency last Winter—even when he wasn’t getting offers—that he wasn’t interested in going to the AL if the offer meant only that he was going to DH. He believes himself to be a player who can contribute defensively, even if few if any share his self-assessment.

As it is, he will be paid $12M in 2010 to play for a last-place team, and he seems perfectly OK with that.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 2, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

if he wanted to play for a contender he would not have joined the nationals.

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad can still hit and help somebody

If it’s us, great. I think he can still put up a .290-.310 BA with 25HR’s. But I don’t think he has much more in him than that. The numbers continue to steadily decline, year by year, while the injuries and streakiness increase in magnitude.

But anybody who thinks that Vlad is substantially better than Napoli, or is less streaky, is simply delusional and/or ignoring the facts. Apparently Napoli sucked in Sept/Oct with an OPS+ of 96. Unfortunately, Vlad’s Sept/Oct featured an OPS+ of 81 (!). But comments above are just railing against Napoli’s “slump”, while ignoring Vlad’s.

Vlad had ONE hot month, but boy was it a doozy! And, yes, that month counts. Vlad had an OPS+ of 160 in August. But overall, Vlad’s numbers were less than Napoli’s (110 OPS+ vs 123 OPS+ for Mike). All this, with Napoli playing a more demanding position, and getting less frequent PA’s.

Believe it or not, like it or not, but Napoli, right here, right now, is a more consistent and productive hitter than Guerrero. And Vlad isn’t getting better. He’s getting older. That DOESN’T mean Guerrero sucks. It’s just that it’s ridiculous to suggest that he’s better than Napoli anymore. He isn’t.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Oct 31, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

By the way, Vlad’s “great” month of August was really the 11 games from 8/6 thru 8/18.

From that point on, to the end of the season, he was a .265 singles hitter with occasional pop – almost as good as Maicer.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Vlad is garbage

For his career he has been a .265 singles hitter with occasional pop. Really?

I don’t doubt age is creeping on him, but I don’t doubt his ability.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Oct 31, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where in this statement...

" Vlad’s "great" month of August was really the 11 games from 8/6 thru 8/18. From that point on, to the end of the season, he was a .265 singles hitter with occasional pop." does it say “CAREER”?

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably true

And if you absolutely had to choose one over the other and couldn’t choose both, I’d probably choose Naps. HOWEVER, they’re both still above-average players (100 OPS + being average, therefore 110OPS+ = above-average), so if possible you keep both of them. Maybe re-sign Vlad and take away Soth’s plaything in Mathis so he has to start Napoli…although it’s hard to knock Mathis after this fantasically awesome postseason he just had!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Oct 31, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will not work that way with Scioscia

and it isn’t fair to Napoli. He can’t play 150-160 games at catcher, ( While Vlad can park his immense nalgas for the entire season.) so Napoli NEEDS to be the DH, at least 25% of the time – preferably 50-70% of the time. As a result there is no place in Scioscia’s lineup, for both Vladdy AND Napoli. It IS back to deciding one or the other – if you want continuity for the majority of the season.

I would choose Napoli, in a heartbeat. That isn’t Vlad bashing, that is seeing things realistically, and not being seduced by nonsensical reasons like somebody wearing an Angels’ cap into the HOF.

by R.Munkee on Oct 31, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

boo hoo it isn't fair

life isn’t fair.

Napoli is wuh-wuh-wuh-way too streaky to be the fulltime DH.

by Rev Halofan on Nov 1, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ARE other streaky players on the team.

During the regular season Vlad had only ONE truly Vlad-like spurt. In one 11 game period ( 8/6 thru 8/18.) he went 18 for 44, .409 BA, with 7 HRs, and 10 RBIs. That week and a half spurt added .15 percentage points to his rest of the season .280 BA, and accounted for almost half of his HRs.

After 8/18, Vlad batted .265, and had 5 HRs, and 19 RBIs. ( Napoli, starting in about half as many games, had 4 HRs, and 13 RBIs – in his poorest month and a half of the season.)

There are few players who go thru longer periods of “streakiness” than Vlad Guerrero, yet HE was a fulltime DH.

by R.Munkee on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to hear the other streaky players on the team...

I thought this was a pro napoli post, and not a anti vlad post :/

It goes beyond this post, you have attacked vlad in previous post. And that shit wasnt just one comment in each post. No, it was like your way to defend you points. But this shit is meaningless, if it was a legitimate argument (that vlad just sucks to put it in your words) you wouldn’t need to sell it as hard as you do.

A year from now Vlad will be our WS MVP…

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Nov 5, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Vlad is garbage?"

I am shocked by this statement. Statistical decline aside, I think that Vladdy hits GOOD pitchers, or pitchers who are on their game, better than Napoli and anyone else in the Angels lineup does. Who do you want at the plate against Rivera in game 6?

by CanuckAngelsfan on Nov 1, 2009 1:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

the dude brings up Napoli’s stats but you can find more Napoli’s in baseball. You can’t find a player like Vlad, and that’s why you keep him. Everyone assumes that hes going to put up Adam Dunn numbers, but Adam Dunn sickens me. Too many K’s for 40 HRs, I wish we had Yadier Molina.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 1, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, now you're talking out of your ass

“You can find more Napoli’s in baseball”

By my count, 37 catchers in the major leagues had 250 PA’s. Out of those, THREE were better hittters.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Nov 1, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I’m talking about an offensive threat like Napoli…

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 1, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking about players in any position...

I’m sure many players can hit 40 HRs, but in doing so their batting average would suffer. Napoli can hit and can probably put up numbers like adam dunn but I dont like the K’s he would bring. Its just my opinion as shitty as it may be to you (remember im not an expert just a fan). And if we needed a corner OF Id offer Halliday a contract over Bay. Not only would he strikeout less he would be a better defensive option than Bay.

I know there is a market for Napoli’s bat, you know in case we lose Lackey and need to look for pitcher (let alone an ace). I feel comfortable with Mathis/Wilson in 2010 and half of 2011 until Conger is ready for the bigs.

If Arte wants more HRs he can let Abreu, Figgy, and Vlad walk, then sign Bay (assuming he doesn’t stay in Boston) Napoli at DH and Wood starting at 3B. We all want more HRs from this angels club, but I’m not ready for Napoli taking over the DH spot, especially if it means Vlad’s angels days are over. Excuse me while I continue to drink my Vladimir Guerrero kool aid…

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 1, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want Vladdy against Rivera in ALCS Game 6

when he is selective with his pitches, I think he’s the best hitter we have on our team even with his declining abilities.

Angels 2009 WS Champs

by dan73962 on Nov 5, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just throwing this out there...

but what about making Napoli the full time DH while only having him catch on an emergency basis? Have Mathis and Bobby Wilson split the catching duties. Bobby Wilson can be the “offensive catcher” so Nap can stay in the lineup without hurting the defense and without forcing Mathis to hurt the offense by getting 400+ ABs. Also, Bobby Wilson can play 1B so he can be our backup 1B instead of Robb Quinlan.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 1, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Um yeah

Maybe you should take a gander at Wilson’s numbers playing in the launching pad in Salt Lake before you annoint him our new “offensive catcher”.

by dmhead on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, thank you.

I’m aware that Wilson isn’t exactly tearing it up in AAA but he’s got to be better than Mathis.

And I don’t really pay too much attention to minor league numbers anyways. They are of some use but there are a lot of guys who have mediocre minor league numbers who end up becoming HOFers in the majors and then there are the guys who destroy the minor leagues and are complete busts in the majors.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me

I’d love to see Wilson step up and give Mike no choice but to play him over his beloved Mathis but I just don’t see that happening next season. Wilson is Hank Conger’s future back up.

by dmhead on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who, while in SLC...

…hit .276/.340/.499 with 21 HR and 73 RBI, while playing in 94 games behind the plate?

Jeff Mathis.

Guess the SLC numbers aren’t really predictive as who would be better or worse than another.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 2, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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