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Lederer Looks Back and Forward at Angels

REMINDER: Turn your clocks back one hour.

Here is A LINK to a great analysis of what the Angels just accomplished and what they have to look forward to written by Rich Lederer at BaseballAnalysts.com.

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nick johnson as our dh

a little outside of the scope from people here on the site but not a bad call.

by thejd on Oct 31, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

It's interesting, but uninspiring.

I really don’t know what Johnson offers above Abreu and Napoli. His power is in general decline, and he’s a net-negative defender, so you are getting him for his plate discipline and little else at this point. You don’t pay a DH to just take walks.

Abreu brings mentorship, and is a positive influence on other hitters. Napoli can walk, and crush the ball, and thrived in the DH spot this season, when allowed to hit there over several days at a time. I’d much rather see either taking up the bulk of DH time than Johnson.

by Turks Teeth on Nov 1, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

WOW!

Story linked in Lederer’s story.

The Angels should have more than the steroid-fueled 2002 championship to show for all of their recent success

Ouch.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Oct 31, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I would still like someone to prove that anyone on that 2002 was taking steroids. Glaus didn’t start juicing until the following season and nobody else has been caught. It was the middle of the steroid era so it wouldn’t surprise be if quite a few were taking something, but to just tar an entire team without any proof is wrong

by CanyonLakeHalo on Oct 31, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I can’t understand the self-loathing of Angel fans who want to dump on our team’s finest hour so far.

What we've got can't be bought

by rspencer on Oct 31, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

common sense...

…the haters out there want to tarnish our ring. It creates an endless cycle of diminishment: Paul O’Neill retired before testing – and Jeter looks a little thinner these days BAM – diminish late 90s Yankees. Luis Gonzalez? BAM diminish 2001 D-Backs, and on and on and on.

There is no defense when people make you guilty until innocent and seriously, Brad Fullmer? uh… Ben Weber in independent ball suddenly throwing 96 MPH? hmmm… Donnelly named in the Mitchell report because the pine tar was not good enough? (you will notice the absence of guys in their mid-30s in independent ball making ht jump to the big leagues like they did at the turn of the century… hmmmm… wonder why?). And to argue against the accusers is to argue innocence from a position of guilt.

All you can do is tell them they are petty, and why are they jealous of our one flag instead of the 2 this decade by the Roid Sox? or the suspicious Yankee years … feed them their own medicine, it is the only way to debate this.

We beat Bonds and a whole team of roiders with no-juicers like Kennedy, Erstad, Eckstein, Salmon and Lackey. No matter what you can say about some of the guys, diminishing 2002 is an announcement by the person doing the hating that they just don’t believe that good triumphs over evil.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 31, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to think that Kennedy was powered by Marilyn Monroe.

Oh…you meant Teddy.

I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?

by Stirrups on Nov 2, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Every Team

had PED-users in the late 90s-early 2000s. Hence, you’re correct in that every championship team (probably from the late-80s on) was “steroid fueled” to some extent. We’ll probably never know the full details. The hating is ridiculous; pot, meet kettle. But we have to be honest with ourselves, and acknowledge that the 2002 Halos surely were not immune to what was plaguing the entire sport.

by jjackflash on Nov 2, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Denial

The only thing we don’t know for sure is who exactly was using PEDs; but you’re delusional if you think that nobody on the team was using something. It was all over baseball; there’s no reason to think the Angels were an exception.

And sorry, I’m not buying the theory that Glaus waited until after testing was implemented to start using steroids.

Of course nobody was caught in 2002 because there was no testing then.

by jjackflash on Nov 2, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the article

but I dont like Hollliday in the lineup. I do like the Nick Johnson suggestion.

First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.

by angelskid2210 on Oct 31, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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by TheMelkman on Oct 31, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Nick Johnson is a good idea.

A first base backup more capable than Quinlan? Sounds exciting

by Hough on Oct 31, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see how he's really all that better than Guerrero...

 of course the cost is gonna matter but his .831 OPS isn’t really any better. He has a higher OBP but a lower SLG. Guerrero, even an older Guerrero, is still capable of having a monster hitting streak. I still think we should keep him if the price is right.

by Nashdiesel on Oct 31, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Oliver needs to be brought back.........

other than that I’d be more than okay with all those other suggestions in the article.

"Maybe Fitzy just has a horsehoe up his ass winning the two games he has, but you don’t bench someone who has a horseshoe up his ass." - Applsoss

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 31, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Assuming Ollie isn’t retiring.

The only magic number now is #34

by Teixeira Who? on Oct 31, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice article

However, it doesn’t look great for the Angels. The Yankees and Red Sox are going to be in on the Bay/Holliday sweepstakes so the Angels are going to be outbid. Outside of those two there really aren’t any major impact bats out there and it’s likely that Hunter and Figgins (if he stays) will regress a little bit.

On a slightly related note, why do so many Angels outfielders get hurt in their early 30s and subsequently age in dog years? Salmon, Anderson, Erstad, Vladi. Juan Rivera had better watch his step.

by GoAngels! on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Aging in dog years is what 30something outfielders do

I am not particularly optimistic about the second half of Torii Hunter’s contract, for example.

by mattwelch on Nov 1, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

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