Torii Hunter Gold Glove #9
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM PST
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The Angels added some hardware Tuesday with Centerfielder Torii Hunter collecting his 9th career gold glove and his 2nd as an Angel in as many seasons with the club.
Suffice to say that shortstop Erick Aybar was absolutely robbed in the awarding of the prize to Derek Jeter. Angels 3B Chone Figgins at least lost out to Evan Longoria, a competent fielder.
The official announcement is at MLB.COM's website.
Angels Franchise Gold Glove Winners (Official Team Site Listings has not been updated since 2004)
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2009 |
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Torii Hunter |
OF |
2008 |
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SS |
2007 |
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1B |
2004 |
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C |
2003 |
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Darin Erstad |
OF |
2002 |
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Bengie Molina |
C |
2002 |
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Darin Erstad |
OF |
2000 |
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OF |
1998 |
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Jim Edmonds |
OF |
1997 |
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1B |
1996 |
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J.T. Snow |
1B |
1995 |
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Mark Langston |
P |
1995 |
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Mark Langston |
P |
1994 |
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Mark Langston |
P |
1993 |
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Mark Langston |
P |
1992 |
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Mark Langston |
P |
1991 |
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Devon White |
OF |
1989 |
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Devon White |
OF |
1988 |
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Bob Boone |
C |
1988 |
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Bob Boone |
C |
1987 |
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Bob Boone |
C |
1986 |
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Gary Pettis |
OF |
1986 |
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Gary Pettis |
OF |
1985 |
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Bob Boone |
C |
1982 |
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Rick Milller |
OF |
1978 |
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Ken Berry |
OF |
1972 |
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Jim Spencer |
1B |
1970 |
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Bobby Knoop |
2B |
1968 |
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Bobby Knoop |
2B |
1967 |
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Jim Fregosi |
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1966 |
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Bobby Knoop |
2B |
1966 |
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Vic Power |
1B |
1964 |
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WTG Torri!!!
WTG!!!!!!
Go ANGELS!!!
RIP # 34
by BigWill90802 on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Might I re-visit
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
by Jay Cal on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
by Jay Cal on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
HA HA!
That’s what I do! That’s what I do!
God needed a starter. RIP #34
by 3rd Echelon on Nov 10, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job Torii
I was at that game when Torii robbed Olivo. Might be the most exciting thing I’ve ever seen while attending a game.
“That’s what I do!!!”
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
by Higz on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to Torii...
apologies to Aybar and Figgins for missing out.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HOOOORAYY torii.
…. but derek jeter… really?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd give Jeter's award to Tex, but he already got his. :-/
Still, grats Torii!
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
A gold glove first baseman makes everyone else look better. And who did they have before? Giambi?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great for Torii
Torii Hunter won his 9th Golden Glove award.
But what about the snubbing of Aybar and Figgins. Jeter plays some pretty good D at short, but I don’t think he played better than Aybar. And was there any better 3rd base play from anyone other than Figgins?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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by Jay Cal on Nov 10, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you really surprised Jeter won it?
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
by Higz on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, there was nobody better than Figgins at third base.
But heaven forbid the Angels get two GG winners. That’s reserved for the Yankees.
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, it's possible Longoria also deserved one.
How many of these guys get GG bonuses?
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria did have a good year
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
It should have been Figgy or Young but not Longoria…that’s just my opinion.
by angelsfan777 on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess not
But its kind of sad.
He played well, but he wasn’t better than Aybar.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
by Jay Cal on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He just gets more instant replays.
Everytime Jeter makes a decent play, they show it four times from four different angles, and gush about how he has a sixth sense.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait 'til Jeter retires and Aybar becomes a Yankee
THEN he’ll get the love he deserves.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to be better....
just anywhere in the general range of good. The “NYY” moniker does the rest.
I would agree, though, that Tex deserved it.
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Teix deserved his, Jeter did not
I still do not understand how that guy wins a gold glove every year for playing below average defense. Not even average.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even Hunter
winning was borderline, but I support it. He did play great but missed some time. F Gutierez probably should have been in there. but I am pretty sure that Aybar should have beaten out Jeter and Andrus should be with him
Figgins has been robbed, but I agree with Rev I can stomach that because Longoria won it.
Funny…
Look at the award winners from the last few years. Draw a line from Texas up to Chicago, everyone east of that wins the awards, gets the accolades, and the attention. West of that we get patronized by the national announcers and broadcasters call it “a nice story” as in Erick Aybars defense has been a SURPRISE, what a NICE STORY for the Anaheim Angels (because they still get the name wrong)
And people wonder why these FA always bolt for the East Coast teams.
Quit Bitching about Wood not playing, The guy does deserve his shot but quit pretending that we have Willie Mays riding the pine
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 10, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vic Power played 60 games at 1B in the American League in 1964
That’s nearly Raffyesque!
Also, Gutierrez was totally robbed, Figgy was deserving, and Jeter is a joke. Congrats to Torii.
by mattwelch on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agree...
Nothing against Torii, I love the guy, but he wasn’t the best defensive CF this year…
Figgy should have won, Jeter winning for SS has got to be the biggest laugh of the season, kind of like voting for Veritek for catcher…
by Jietoh on Nov 10, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gold glove votes are usually based on precedent.
The incumbent usually gets voted in again, barring a horrible drop off in production. Torii won it because Torii always wins it, and the next best guy wasn’t so much better that it was obviously right to take it away from Torii. This, however, doesn’t explain why Jeter got it. He hadn’t gotten it for a few years.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Precedence is a horrible way of voting.
The award should go to the best defensive player at that position.
I’m trying not to be so upset over this, but Gutierrez put in such an amazing defensive year that this vote just comes off as a complete travesty to me. Hell, Gutierrez should’ve had the nod over Ichiro. I guess I should just be happy that the Mariners have the best defensive CF in the game today.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So sad.
I can see how the GG awards would be such a big deal to a Mariners fan. That’s all you had to look forward to after September. But really, it’s not that important. Flying flags is more important. Our center fielder definitely helped his team fly a flag this year, and Gutierrez didn’t.
And even though precedence is a horrible way to vote, it’s a cold, hard fact. Ichiro has gotten his GG’s the same way. Not that he isn’t great, but he also keeps getting it because he’s the incumbent.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 11, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Ichiro.
And helping to fly flags is great, but that should be considered when voting for MVP, not for who played the best defense at a certain position.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more on Gutierrez...
…and in the interest of spreading some love across our AL West rivals, I thought Andrus might have had a shot too at SS were it actually a meritocracy (though in retrospect Jeter’s is among the least surprising GGs of all time)
I see red people
by The Limey on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
problem with gutierrez
his statistical lead is pretty hairsplitting and Torii’s glove was more entertaining. There is some subjectivity built into these awards.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, no argument that there is subjectivity.
And I don’t hold it against you guys for being glad that Torii got his GG (heck, we were happy Ichiro got his, and both of them are debatable)…but
Honestly, do you really think that it was “statistical hairsplitting” separating Gutierrez and Hunter?
By the measures I’ve seen, Gutz was the best OF this year, and it wasn’t even close…
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No, his stat lead is HUGE, not hairsplitting
Least among the things I recall looking at, he was the Most Valuable Defender in the American League this year.
by mattwelch on Nov 10, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh alright
it wasn’t hairsplitting … he was a great boring defender instead of the most exciting defender in the sport today. Frankie goes to Microsoft no film at 11…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But, but...
Jeter is exciting, because he jumps and spins! Surely that means that his excitement-factor, like Torii’s, puts him ahead of the statistical leader! (I kid)
Really though, while I see your point that flashy plays/excitement will sway the voters, the statistical difference between Gutz and the rest of the field really made his non-selection indefensible. I guess that if you had to criticize Gutz, it would be because he made it look too easy being the best defender in the league?
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the three most exciting plays I've seen in my life. He doesn't make as many exciting plays as Torri because his range is light years better and he makes things look easy.
Tools Whore
by Tyler on Nov 10, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Same with Garrett Anderson
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett was too lazy to win the award
by ryanfea on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he wasn't so lazy,
GA would have won ALL the Gold Gloves this year. By himself.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is...
That if GA wasn’t so lazy there would be no need for gold gloves?
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of giving out G.G. awards
They would just have the GA.
by eyespy on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But then they'd be too lazy to give them out
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by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 11, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hairsplitting?
Hunter’s UZR was -1.4 this season in center. Gutierrez’ UZR was 29.1.
That’s not hairsplitting, that’s huge. Gutierrez was 30 runs better on defense than Hunter, and Hunter’s GG selection is indefensible by itself, let alone over Gut.
me so cool
by Humongo on Nov 10, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
UZR doesn't matter
The people who vote on these awards don’t look at it.
by ryanfea on Nov 10, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i said it was not hairsplitting
and the real bummer for Franky GoesToEriz is that the voters only look at highlights on espn not fsn-redmond
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
his statistical lead is pretty hairsplitting and Torii’s glove was more entertaining
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, I know you changed your mind...
after people pointed out that you were completely wrong, but your homerism is showing a bit ;)
Face it, none of the three winners deserved it over Gutierrez…including Hunter.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Face it
Beethoven, let alone a pussy a like Liszt, rocked the shit out of Rachmaninoff.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot Mozart.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 11, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not a fan
of the Salzburg Sissie
by Rev Halofan on Nov 11, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much time spent in elevators will do that.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mozart is trivial.
Beethoven rocks, and Tchaikovsky rocks almost as much
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That said,
JSBach is the greatest composer that ever lived.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost as great as McCartney/Lennon.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Philistine
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Elitist
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Namby-Pamby
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pfffft!
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 11, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of the above mentioned composers are second-rate
Morali was the best, bar none.
by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 12, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR isn't the ultimate factor.
I think the SBN Seattle page summed it up perfectly.
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies once more.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/11/10/1124884/al-gold-gloves-announced
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It only took me 3 tries to post that...
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to Torii. Makes me happy.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jeter
Jeter had 8 errors to Aybar’s 11, and started 150 times to Aybar’s 135. Tell me again why it’s ridiculous for Jeter to have beaten him?
Andrus and his 22 errors should not be in contention.
Eat My Angel Dust.
by Angels95 on Nov 10, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you have pretty simplistic judging criteria
Jeter has no range and also gets a lot of non-calls on errors.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And would have had far more "must call" errors with a less-than-Tex first baseman.
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you give Aybar credit for having more range than Jeter, yet...
Gutierrez has twice the range of Torii Hunter and put forth possibly the greatest defensive year in CF ever. I get that you’re allowed some homerism, but I don’t see the sense in saying Hunter deserved it more than Franklin.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 10, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
S E N S E ?
you want me to operate with sense? whoah stop right there, that is just asking too much.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest defensive year in CF ever?
As in no one has ever had a better year than Gutierrez or this was Gutierrez’s best year?
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the best season in the UZR era. And it will almost certainly be the best season he ever has.
Being a +30 defender isn’t really sustainable no matter how talented you are.
Tools Whore
by Tyler on Nov 10, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like
magic … has he been observing pagan solstice rituals?
by Rev Halofan on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gozer the Gozerian… good evening. As a duly designated representative of the City, County and State of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone asks if you are a god, you say, “yes!”
by WiHaloFan on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dogs and cats... living together!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I read “the greatest defensive year in CF ever” to mean that no one has ever had the defensive year he’s had. Just making sure.
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be impossible to tell for sure...
but I don’t think saying “Franklin Gutierrez, during the 2009 season, played defense in CF as good as or better than anyone ever has before” would be outlandish. That’s how good he was this year. Ask Jarrod Washburn.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Hey Jarrod, how good was this Gutierrez guy?"
“He was good”
“Okay, thanks Jarrod”
Glad we got that cleared up.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 11, 2009 4:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best ever? Based on what evidence?
It would be nice to have UZR and OOZ stats for CFs like Gary Pettis and Devon White during their prime before declaring Guty as good or better than anyone ever.
by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 11, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the "it'd be impossible to tell."
All I’m saying is DFT played the best CF defense we’ve seen since Andruw Jones was good, and that his defense in 2009 would probably be mentioned in the discussion of the top defensive single seasons of all time.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"DFT" is a registered trademark
Any unauthorized usage of “DFT” without the expressed written consent of the Ultimate Snark Squad is prohibited. ;)
by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 12, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you can't get to the ball...
It’s a lot harder to make errors.
This was one of Jeter’s best years. But all the jump and spin throws in the world can’t make up for that he’s not a standout defensive SS.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000,000
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 10, 2009 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
What a joke. Jeter. What a joke. Longoria I can understand. He’s good. Gotta give em that
But congrants to torii.
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 10, 2009 3:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Gold Glove != Gold GLOVE
I’ll never get it when they have a Silver Slugger award, but Gold Glove always seems to be heavily based on offensive performance. Maybe b/c Gold Glove is more prestigious or well-known?
by Neo8234 on Nov 10, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Torii did not deserve this award
Neither did Jeter, Jones, Ichiro, or Doucheira. Who the hell decides these awards? Drayton McClane?
The awards should have gone to Andrus/Aybar, Crawford, Gutierrez, Sweeney, and Kendry.
NA 34
by blochead on Nov 10, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Headline "Jeter, Teixeira earn AL Gold Gloves"
Nevermind anybody else. The world loves to hear about the Yanks.
by Big Game Hunter on Nov 10, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Easily the most overrated player of this generation. He is actually a pretty decent player, but he has officially now been overrated to astronomical levels.
by Wytelitning on Nov 10, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you know that
if Jeter went to Afghanistan, he’d single-handedly catch Osama in 3 days?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ill buy him a tix
its a win win there!!
by Angel Aviator on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was chuck norris
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 13, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Next year...
I can’t wait for Morales to take the Gold away from that money grubbing asshat Teixeira. Also, I think the MLB is still in talks with the Vatican to venerate Derek Jeter as a saint.
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GG = good grief
Being that this award is voted on by managers and coaches for players in their league it is often looked at as the guy that makes big plays (spectacular) plays.
by Angel Aviator on Nov 11, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aybar didn't get robber.
Kendry Morales did. He was the best defensive first baseman in the American League this year. Texiera was close to the worst.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Nov 11, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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