Trade for Gonzalez and Bell. Call me crazy...
by Maddogck1 on Nov 14, 2009 10:53 PM PST
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Everywhere have discussions involving Angels and the usual free agents and trade targets. Here's a new proposal for you: Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell.. Here's a few points
- Assuming we don't resign Vlad, we will be losing a big bat in the middle of the lineup. It is aweful lot to ask for Morales to fill that void. Adrian would give us balance from the left side with Torii, Rivera, Napoli along with Morales
- Morales had a great year. But is it realistic for all of us to expect the same level of production form him again already ?
- Morales does ok on defense and rapidly improving. But I don't see Gold Glove in his future. Gonzalez will give us that Gold Glove that was missing since Texieria left. If Figgins leave, Morales-Kendrick-Wood (un-proven/inexperience)-Mathis could give us the worse infield defense in the league.
- Heath Bell was someone that we tried to get before anyway. He's a more dependable closer than Fuentes. Having Shields-Fuentes-Bell is much better than this year's Bulger-Jepsen-Fuentes.
I would propose packaging a group of players for Gonzalez and Bell. Maybe 7 for 2 with a pool of players like Santana, Arredondo, Rivera, Kendrick, Wood, Mathis, Willitis, and or minor league prospects. I don't believe any of them are can't touch prospects. Morales can easily bat DH/slide into one of the outfield spots and occasionally relieve Adrian at 1B.
Call me crazy, but this makes alot more sense to me than going after Granderson/Holliday/Bay/Matsui/players like them this year.
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Hey we only won 97 games
you’re right, let’s blow this fucker up.
Dude, you are not crazy. There are other words for what this proposal is, but the presence of sanity in its construction is far outweighed by the stupidity present alone.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll bite..
YOUR CRAZY!
Maybe 7 for 2 with a pool of players like Santana, Arredondo, Rivera, Kendrick, Wood, Mathis, Willitis, and or minor league prospects
Santana when confident (think Aug through Oct of this year) is electric. He may be afraid to let it fly and hit 96 – 97 with his fastball anymore, but he’s still at the very least a solid #2 in ANY rotation. Arredondo had one bad year, chilax, it’s okay. Rivera I agree is expendable. HK and Wood are in this trade I see. Hmmmm? Who plays 2B, Izzy. Who plays 3B….Brown? Sandoval? No. Nobody wants Willits or Mathis.
Having Shields-Fuentes-Bell is much better than this year’s Bulger-Jepsen-Fuentes
It wont be Bulger-Jepsen-Fuentes next year. It’ll most likely be Jepsen-Shields-Fuentes. Bell had better peripherals than Fuentes last year and is a bit of a throwback. But at the end of the day, Fuentes does his job at the same percentage rate as Bell.
Would it be cool and fun to have Adrian Gonzales AND Heath Bell on our team, yeah. But let’s not take a pound of dynamite to a 97 win team shall we.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Winner for most retardest post of the off season so far.
Congrats!
by bruinbrah on Nov 14, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Winner for worst word usage in the off season so far
Congrats
note: I’m not saying this is a good idea…. frankly it doesn’t make sense to do…
by vitzeng on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rebutals for your smart comments
- 97 wins still didn’t get us to the world series plus we might be losing a bunch of free agents this year. The fact is that even if the Angels bring back all of their free agents, we probably still won’t get to/win the world series.
- To get good players, you have to give up some good players in return. From the starters we have right now, I believe Santana is the weakest one. I’m not proposing trading all of the players I mentioned above, but just select from the list to start off. Most of them are position players we have abundance of.
I don’t see any of this year’s free agents helping us. If you’re satisfy with just winning AL West or ALDS, then just keep the team as is. I see Gonzalez-Bell-Halladay as the best available guys that can help us right now. And all of them seem to be available for the right combination of players, which the Angels have.
by Maddogck1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would take the same players to get Halladay, as it would Gonzales.
It’s not that people are “satisfied” with winning the AL West, we like winning. And it sure as hell beats the shit out of what we went through in the decade prior to this one. On top of that. The core of this team, the one that you proposed to trade away for 2 GUYS did a lot of our damage both during the regular season and postseason.
Also:
I’m not proposing trading all of the players I mentioned above, but just select from the list to start off. Most of them are position players we have abundance of
Maybe 6 years ago we did, now, not so much.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 15, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no it's not
I claim my trade proposal for Arroyo and Rolen get’s that title
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a prize? I think I could do worse.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yr dumb.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that is quite the intelligent reply no?
oh irony
by Wally's World on Nov 15, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 15, 2009 1:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
That the Padres are going to trade the one star they have, a native of San Diego no less?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 15, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I dont see how everyone expects the red sox to just wow them.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 15, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's just about time for another Granderson post...
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Nov 15, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
Proposing a trade for Adrian Gonzalez is so refreshing.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We need to make the trade for Gonzalez
so we can flip him for Granderson!
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 15, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets expand this deal
so we can acquire Halladay and send off GMJ!!
by ryanfea on Nov 15, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robb Quinlan for Hanley Ramirez
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I've been saying this since day one.
Free Agency be damned.
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 15, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
Since we are trading our FA’s, let’s trade Lackey and Figgy for Halladay!
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way Toronto does that trade . . .
Riccardi got fired.
by krush40 on Nov 16, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto can throw Riccardi into the deal. Nakes perfect sense now.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 16, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading for two young all stars who are under team control for a few more years is an excellent idea.
The crazy part is who do we have to give up? Only the FO knows that. And only the Padres know if they would actually trade those two. My guess is they wouldn’t. But once again, we don’t know. It is also hard to determine if a trade like this would be good till we know who will resign. If we lose Lackey, it would be hard to part with Santana. If we lose Figgy, who will play third base.?
It may be more realistic to target just Heath Bell. If I have anything in common with the posters here, it is probably the gut wrenching memory of the 11th inning failure of Fuentes. It is not enough to have a servicably good closer in the regular season. He is that. But let’s face it, Fuentes is not a playoff caliber closer. He wasn’t this year, and he wasn’t in 2007. Bell could be an upgrade.
by Wally's World on Nov 15, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your headline explains exactly why it won't happen
Cheap young all stars under team control into the foreseeable future are NOT sold off, unless your team’s name is the Florida Marlins and you’ve just won a world championship.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 16, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better idea...
Trade GMJ, Willits, and Mathis to the Cardinals for Albert Pujols. Only if the Cardinals are willing to pick up most of Pujols salary though. If this isn’t enough, throw in a player to be named later and a draft pick.
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Better idea
Three team trade.
GMJ and Willits for Mauer and Albert…
Except we get both Mauer and pujols…
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 15, 2009 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
kinda one sided don't you think
GMJ and Willits for Mauer, Pujols, & Wainwright to the Angels. Now it’s fair for us.
by ryanfea on Nov 15, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are FUCKING crazy!
Crazy alone doesn’t cover it.
And there’s my November F-bomb.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 15, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OMGZ thats teh grtest post evah!!1!111!
when we makez dis trade we winz all r gamez fur evahs we b teh grtest tEam sens teh YanKEes 2009
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 15, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I understand your premise and proposal.
The only problem is common sense and logic. Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell are great players. I’m guessing the Padres are aware of this as well. Like everyone else has pointed out, the liklihood of landing these two are about the same as the Cards trading Pujols for GMJ. Non-existant.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
by halofolife on Nov 15, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
final comment - last post and last time coming to this site
I see this group only likes to talk about the obvious and copy-paste the same old topics from espn-fox, so i’ll leave you to talk about the same old same old. This website is pretty lame and have no useful info/discussion.
for the record…
Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell IS available, unlike Pujols. The Padres don’t have to, but are open to the right trade scenarios, which I still believe the Angels have the right pieces for him. If we don’t try, Adrian will go to the Red Sox.
Angels will probably never go after Maurer as they have too much depth in the minors for catchers. And nobody wants GMJ.
Have fun with yourselves
by Maddogck1 on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the door hit your ass on the way out?
We encourage a broad discussion here. But there is no place for “fairy dust” trade talk among the painfully elite and superior set of Angels fans that make up this community. When you are blessed with superior intellect, looks and style, you bring something of vale to Halos Heaven… when you are not, you whine.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 15, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TYPO: "something of value"
I don’t mind the typo in light of your amazing line:
Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell IS available.
You even CAPITALIZED your incorrect choice of verb.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 15, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grammar be damned
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 16, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Rev
thanks for making the exception of keeping me around.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
by Jay Cal on Nov 16, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You encourage a broad discussion as long as it fits inside your definition of broad.
Fortunately for posters such as Maddogck1, he has no way of entering said head to discern what exactly that definition is.
by Wally's World on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The right deal for Gonzalez/Bell would kill our farm system
Same with the Red Sux. Gonzalez isn’t going anywhere.
by ryanfea on Nov 15, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, don't go away
Stick around and join the fun. No one was making jokes about you personally, just the trade you proposed…it happens all the time. I’ll even give you a free shot. I’ve been suggesting the Angels trade for Juan Pierre. What do you think of that?
Halos Heaven isn’t lame and it does have useful info.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 16, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your dumb
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 16, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno lolololol
dumb dumb
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, this is mild.
We are all very opinonated people, and we let people know it. There’s a couple posters in halosheaven lore that have been absolutely LIT UP for sheer boneheadedness. I wasn’t here for johnsamo, and I avoid ca1forniaangels posts like the plague. However, since I’ve been here this post has even added a new term to our vernacular….Hostility Abounds.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had never seen that before
I’m still fairly new to the site. I only discovered it around July so I guess I missed that shit storm. Regardless, thanks for the amusing read. :)
Rex Hudler For President
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 16, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knew someone named "maddog" would get his feelings hurt?
Get a grip and get over yourself. This idea of trading for Adrian Gonzalez has been kicked around here for about a year, dating back to when Jake Peavy was on the block in San Diego. It isn’t as if you’ve discovered fire. A simple search of the archives here (even with the sucky search engine) would have revealed some of that.
The fundamental error in your thinking is that there is a certainty that the Pads would trade a player who is (1) a budding star, (2) an affordable player, and (3) a local boy who is the face of the franchise. In this way, Gonzalez is the Pad’s version of Mauer, the local boy who made good. Just as the Twins would need an absolutely insane offer of players to justify to an angry fanbase in a trade of Mauer, so would the Padres have to be knocked senseless by a trade opportunity to justify trading Gonzalez.
So your player pool is very weak for a foundation. To begin with, Morales would certainly be included in a trade offer (just as Kotchman went to ATL for Teixeira). Then, either Aybar or Kendrick would have to go, along with Wood. Jepsen would be a part of it.Then, the minors would be drained: Reckling/Walden, and some position players with huge upside, like Baird and Trout.
In other words, it would have to be an offer so ridiculous that it would be irresponsible for Hoyer to refuse it—just as it would be irresponsible for Reagins to offer it.
Maybe the Red Sox are interested in making a similar stupid offer, but I doubt it. If anything, it would be more difficult for the Red Sox to make the deal, since Hoyer knows the minor level talent in the Red Sox org as well as Epstein does, and he knows exactly which players are maybe under the radar and carrying huge upsides.
Gonzales will cost a whole $10M between 2010 and 2011 seasons, which is easily affordable for the Padres. There is no urgency to trade Gonzalez, especially since he has shown a deisre to stay and play in his hometown. Offering guys like Willits and Mathis won’t justify the minutes spent on the cellphone. An offer to pry Gonzalez loose will need to be very costly in terms of manpower, and ultimately would not be in the best interests of the team.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We beat this topic into the freaking ground last year
nobody wants to relive it. hence, the hostility abounding :P
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Besides, this is soooo last season. We should be discussing newer information.
For example, I just heard that Curtis Granderson will be traded to the Angels. Did you know that?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 16, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i hadn't heard that.
but if i were the Angels, I’d take a look at Curtis Granderson of the Tigers. I hear that they might be trading him, and that the Angels would be interested.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 16, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it would be cool if we could get Curtis Granderson from the Tigers.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 16, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, wait!
Granderson might be availible?
by ryanfea on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone mentioned this Granderson guy yet?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Curtis....... Granderson!!!
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,
after all this hype I actually hope we get him…
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You never know, I heard he's available.
This would be awesome if we could just put together a package for him. Does anyone have an idea of what it would take to get Granderson, who could be available for a low price this offseason?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 17, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, did someone mention that Granderson might be available?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 17, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he might be.
I’m not sure, though, there’s not much out there suggesting that he is. Have you heard anything?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 17, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I heard about this fella named Granderson....
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 17, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not at all
I was just making a joke.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's no joke? I hear Curtis Granderson may be available. No shit.
by snowhor on Nov 18, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think this is getting too silly!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 18, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you know about Curtis Granderson?
What have you heard?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard he may or may not be a Monty Python fan
but that the Halos might get him from the Tigers for cheap
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 18, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good, good. Say, did you hear about Granderson?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 18, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa-wait a second....
Curtis Granderson..is..available?
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
by halofolife on Nov 19, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
this deserves it’s own fan-post!
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Nov 16, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great minds think alike
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 18, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say Give Woodie his shot at third base
He might just have a season like Morales in ‘09. We’d be mighty sorry if he did and it wasn’t with the Angels-
Xavier Calvera
by xavier c on Nov 16, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Unless we traded him for Curtis Granderson
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I too have heard of this Curtis Granderson...
jolly good sir…
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
confused
How did this thread go from a post about a trade for Gonzalez and Bell to being all about Granderson worship?
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 18, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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