Jason Marquis
by Rally Manatee on Nov 17, 2009 1:54 PM PST
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PrintI have come to the conlusion that the Angels depth is a little too thin right now to swing a blockbuster trade for someone like Halladay, and it is my opinion that we can win it all without him anyway. So, I've been pouring over the list of FA pitchers to see if there are any diamonds in the rough that could keep the Angels competitive with the other perrenial post-season teams in the event of a Lackey departure.
Only one man really seems to stand out, and that is Jason Marquis. Some facts: He has pitched fewer than 190 innings only once in the past 6 seasons (167 in '08). He has had no significant injuries. He just turned 31 in August, making him only 2 months and 2 days older than Lackey. Since giving up a career high 35 HRs in '06, he has gotten his HRs-allowed down to 15 in the last two seasons, and last year was in the launching pad of Coor's Field. His '09 WHIP was a career low 1.380 as a full time starter. That's a better '09 WHIP than Saunders, Santana, and Kazmir. His lefty/righty splits are about even. Money wise, he earned under $10 mil last year. He should get a raise, but he'll cost far less than the $16/yr or whatever it is that Lackey wants.
All of the above, plus the fact that there are zero other good, young, healthy, free agent, starting pitchers, makes me believe that Tony Reagins needs to be at Marquis' neighborhood Del Taco at the same moment that Lackey is signing papers with the Spanks or Sux. (Joel Piniero had a good '09, but he's due for his next injury.) Marquis may not be a bonified ace, but the facts are we just can't get an ace this year without trading away the farm. However, if Lackey makes room for him, I believe that Weaver will step into the role of staff ace. And Marquis is as quality a #2 starter as Saunders, Santana, or Kazmir. This will allow us to continue to use guys like O'Sullivan, Palmer, and Bell in more strategic ways, and will let them develop in their proper timing, rather than relying on one of them to hold down the 5th spot. Plus, we can give the money we save to Figgy, Oliver, Vlad...
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IMO…Only thing that kept us from winning the WS this year was CC pitched for Yankees instead of us…
Still feel the same way?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
never use imperatives
cc wasn`t the only thing that beat us – a lack of clutch hitting, some costly errors, a few bad calls…
besides, that was the past. we`ve got to figure out what will give us the best team next year. all i`m saying is, if lackey leaves, i think marquis is the best plan b.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
C.C.
No if we had Cliff Lee we would have won. Not necessarily needed C.C.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 18, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I've been saying the same thing before the postseason ended
We should get Marquis, he’s taken every team he’s been on to the playoffs, he’s coming off a good pair of seasons and would fit into the 5 hole nicely. Bell and O’Sullivan aren’t ready to be full-time big league starters yet.
Of course, Plan A should be Lackey, but Marquis is a viable Plan B.
2009 was good. Now on to 2010 - Let's go Halos!
no thanks.
Marquis is not a #2, and he’s certainly no Ervin, Kazmir, or Saunders.
Also, that’s far too much money for a #5 guy when we could have just kept Judy. And, who wants an average guy for another 3-4 years? Marquis does not make our rotation the best in the league. I have to believe Reagins is not interested in mediocre FA signings. We make trades, and we ninja smart signings, not fill in the gap signings.
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Marquis = Suppan = Kris Benson
Career ERA+ of 99 – in other words, slightly below average, right as he enters the decline phase of his career. Pass.
so you`d rather
weaken our offense AND pitching depth to have a better rotation? because it`s going to take a couple current big leaguers and a few prospects to get an ace pitcher. something like napoli, saunders, and company. i don`t think it makes sense for us to try to trade for an ace. plus, i think marquis is better than a #5.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ha
i was going to add curtis to the list at the end, but i didn`t want to have to fend off the posters who have no sarcasm detectors.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh... a sarcasm detector....
Now THERE’S a REAL useful invention…
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Well, the irony meter is broken right now...
.. say, did you hear that the Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles might be able to get Granderson?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Really? I heard that Detroit might want to move him!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Use top money to land top players
Use sound judgment and organizational development to fill holes.
So, no.
Agree
There are so many better ways to use this money. You really want to pay $12 million to a guy with a career-low WHIP of 1.38? What makes you think he’s turned a corner? I mean, everyone has a best and worst season right? It’s not a good sign when your best season isn’t all that good.
Even if he repeats his performance from last year (unlikely) he isn’t going to be worth the money he is going to command. The Angels generally do a good job of not giving out SP contracts like this, especially when they have replacements that can do a similar job for less than $1 million. That said, I’m actually a Marquis fan and hope that he does well wherever he does end up.
and if we can`t?
if the top players don`t take our top money, then what? do you sit on it, or offer it to the next best guy? that`s a tough call. when tex spat on our offer, we lucked out with morales. if lackey spits on our offer, will we get lucky again with a young`n, or wish we had nabbed someone like marquis?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 17, 2009 9:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree - Go after Lackey first
Lackey has to be the number 1 priority this offseason. However, in the case he signs elsewhere, Jason Marquis is definitely worth a look. He’s not a bad pitcher, he’s just not as good as the ones we have. But he is a veteran who would keep us in the game every night and would most likely perform better than rookies Trevor Bell or Sean O’Sullivan, who would probably be candidates for the no.5 spot.
Of course, if Lackey comes back, then it’s all good
2009 was good. Now on to 2010 - Let's go Halos!
I don't think
I’ll ever wish we nabbed Marquis, unless, that is, of course, he somehow pitches against us and shuts us down in a deciding game. However, that isn’t likely.
If Lackey spits on our offer, then Ninja will go and do what Ninja’s do. Once again, look at the Kazmir deal. That was after the deadline, was something NO ONE expected, and it worked well down the stretch (post season is a crapshot, he had a few rough starts.). We still have a guy who is very young, potentially dominant, and signed for the year.
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I expected it.
And there were lots of rumors that the deal would have happened sooner.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
If you can't afford the top players, then maybe its because you've spent too much money on mediocre free agents.
Spending money on trash will lead to never being able to afford the best players. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had an extra $10m in payroll flexibilty now if we didn’t have GMJ?
Or maybe
It makes more sense to wait another season and bid on Halladay.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 18, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
What's the difference?
The $10M wouldn’t make any difference in 2010 regarding Halliday. Halliday has one more year left on his current deal.
In 2011 (the last year of GMJ’s deal) a contract could be constructed for Halliday which would be backloaded. Happens all the time.
Either way, obtaining Halliday through trade or free agency would have zero to do with GMJ and his deal. The only difference is in waiting, we don’t have to give up the future of the team in players sent to Toronto.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure exactly how you think my previous comments differ from what I think you're saying.
And GMJ was just an example of wasting free agent dollars on mediocre talent. The entire topic of this fanpost suggests wasting money on Marquis.
My comment was that when you spend top dollar on crap, it limits what you can do in the future. That’s true whether it results in on-going spending obligations in the future or it spent money that otherwise could have been saved for future acquisitions (what I thought I was agreeing with you about in Halladay).
10-4
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Marquis
is a mediocre pitcher that is a product of the national league. He’s spent his entire career in the NL and his career ERA is 4.48. It’s very realistic to expect that his ERA could push or exceed 5.00 in the AL.
Might as well bring back Jon Garland…
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 18, 2009 3:33 AM PST reply actions
Marquis
Can this guy pitch effectively in the AL. I would rather sign Mark Mulder to a minor league contract with an invite to Spring Training. Mulder was great with the A’s. Has been awful in the NL and oft injured. But if he’s healthy and still has that curve ball he could win again in the AL. Barry Zito is the same thing minus the injuries. They needed to stay in the AL.
Maybe I'm off base here...
I don’t know…Could it be that the reason these guys haven’t had success on their NL teams is because they got worse/injured? Could be coming off my hinges here, but maybe, just maybe, switching to a better hitters league isn’t going to help turn their careers around. And maybe switching to the NL wasn’t the reason they sucked?
Crazy thoughts I know.
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