Derek Lowe for Gary Matthews Jr. Trade?
by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2009 12:16 AM PST
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PrintA National League baseball team known as the Atlanta Braves are looking to dump pitcher Derek Lowe and his $45 Million over the next three seasons, according to The Fanhouse Blog. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are looking to trade Gary Matthews Jr. and $23 Million over the next 2 seasons.
If the Angels fail to re-sign John Lackey, could this deal be a backup plan for a veteran starting pitcher to round out our rotation and jettison the Matthews abomination of a contract from the Big A once and for all?
If the Angels fail to re-sign their beloved Chone Figgins, could Lowe + salary relief be packaged in a trade to the Detroit Tigers for, ummmm, maybe Curtis Granderson?
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Make this trade, don't ever look back.
Having a once dominant number 2 pitcher on staff is infinitely better than having a number 4 outfielder who has had exactly one solid season in his entire career.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Nov 19, 2009 12:46 AM PST reply actions
amen and amen
please make this happen.
I want Gary Massacre Jr. gone he is awful.
Playoff Time Lets Get it Go Angels!!!! Beat New York.
by deejayelleseven on Nov 19, 2009 3:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i will never believe
that a team wants to trade for GMJ until i actually see him in the new uniform
Chili Davis - the closest thing the MLB got to a real life Pedro Cerrano.
Even if we sign Lackey and Figgy.
DO THIS. Quick, before they change their minds. NOW. HURRY.
Has anyone checked out Del Taco, maybe they are there now??
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 1:16 AM PST reply actions
Maybe I should go to Lowe's today and have Del Taco for lunch.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 19, 2009 6:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Do the trade
And if it actually happens, then you might as well offerJeff Mathis to the Twins for another catcher drafted in 2001 with initials J.M., a minor league playing brother named Jake, and who once had a football scholarship offer.
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I'm not even kidding
about their brothers. Go ahead and look them up on baseball reference. It’s amazing how much Mauer and Mathis have in common, outside of a little thing like ability to hit a baseball.
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by RallyMonkey5 on Nov 19, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions
This is likely the BEST
that we can get for Mathews. There is no other scenario where we get a better player than Lowe in a trade with Mathews.
The shame about GMJ is it's merely his contract.
Stoneman must have been raiding Rex’s stash just before signing GMJ.
By all accounts, GMJ has been a good teammate; he shut up and soldiered when he was unhappy; and he saved our bacon when Torii went down for a month or so.
So if I say “good riddance”, it’s not to the man himself, but only to his contract.
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by red floyd on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
This is right.
My only other concern is that he expects more playing time, and with the players we have he can’t get it.
He would probably start elsewhere, and it is a shame to give him so much grief here when we could get another back up for less.
Free Gary Matthews.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
+1
I agree. I have to admit I jump on the GMJ bashing train a lot myself, but as you said, not because I think he is a jerk or clubhouse distraction. When he signed with the Angels, yeah, he got way more money than he should have, but I can’t fault him for taking it (he’d be a moron not to). And, sure, the HGH probably gave him that extra “boost” in his only decent season, but I don’t think he was doing it just to “trick” anyone into a big contract, it was something that a huge number of major leaguers were doing (most insiders estimate the amount of people doing it was far, far more than is generally known).
He came to the Angels wanting what most players want… playing time. Unfortunately, he didn’t produce to the level expected and others came in who could. He is not happy about his role, but for the most part has tried to be a good team player and voice his unhappiness to the front office without tearing the clubhouse apart. Interviews I’ve heard from him, he does seem like a good guy.
But… as you said, red floyd, it’s the huge millstone his contract has become around the team’s neck that we want to jettison badly. Ten million a year is ridiculous for a journeyman 4th outfielder, and on the Angels, that is all his production will ever make him.
by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 19, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Should our expectations be Lowe?
On the surface, this deal looks fairly reasonable. Lowe’s 15 wins could replace Lackey’s 11 wins. But his production isn’t nearly as impressive as Lackey and the Angels would be on the hook for an additional 25 million. Its not a bad idea, but the Angels already have a pretty solid pitching lineup. The Angel’s 5th spot could be filled by Matt Palmer, Sean O’Sullivan, or a prospect who might be ready to shine. Moving Matthews isn’t a bad idea, but a move for Lowe should only be made if the Angels are planning on packing Lowe in a bigger trade.
I say No to Lowe.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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by Jay Cal on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agree...
Lowe is turning 37 and had an ERA+ of 88 last year and he is signed for three more years at about $45 million. Pitchers with ERA+ numbers in the high 80’s are number 5 starters at best, not number 2’s. He isn’t an answer to any question we have with regard to our pitching staff.
He also is rumored to have an alcohol problem (or had?) and left his wife for a TV newswoman/sports reporter. He’s overpaid, no longer an above average starter, is north of 35 and seemingly a crappy person. What’s to like here? Seriously? I despise GMJ, but his contract might actually be more sensible than Lowe’s going forward. And that’s saying something.
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by jimmuscomp on Nov 19, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
character issues
Ironic how upset the McCourts were about Derek’s infidelity with that Hermosa teevee hoochie…
Some news reporter
The Lowe-life left his wife and 3 kids for her
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
It was Carolyn Hughes of FSW
She was reporting on the Dodgers at that time, and Lowe was one of the Dodger starters. He was married with kids, she was married as well, but each divorced their spouse and Lowe and Hughes are now married to one another.
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by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
How come no one is paying attention to comments like this?
Do people just see the name Derek Lowe, say, “oh, he’s a good pitcher” and ignore the fact that his contract would be larger albatross than GMJ’s?
The $15 million man had a 4.67 ERA and 1.52 WHIP last year – and in the National League. This helps us how???
I’m going to rec Scully’s comment in the hope that turning it green makes people read it.
If the deal is GMJ for Lowe...
then why assume this deal is only if we lose Lackey.
I would say do this deal and try to get Lackey. Having them both lets us leave Palmer in long relief, O’Sullivan in Salt Lake, and have very good rotation.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Reality check
Guys…the Atlanta Braves arent trading their number two starter for an 35 yr old OF who wouldnt start for them… (McLouth, Diaz, and Heyward will be starters next year and Jordan Scahefer is still a good prospect who will be given another shot, well ahead of GMJ)…
We all love our halos and want to see good pieces added…but weve gotta be reasonable here in our expectations…
Lowe+ GA for GMJ or no deal.
I never got a chance to get my #16 jersey signed.
God needed a starter. RIP #34
i feel like this post is a joke and most people aren't getting it
why would any team acquire gary matthews jr? Im pretty sure 15-20 teams could offer more productive, appealing packages to Atlanta for them to move Lowe’s contract.
RIP Nick Adenhart
yeah but how many teams can afford to take on that contract
not many teams are willing to take on a pitcher who will be owed 15-16 mill at 39 at the end of his contract….this is more of a salary dump than anything else. I see this sort of like the trade the Yankees made to get Abreu a couple years back where the Phillies were just trying to get rid of the salary. From the Braves side, getting rid of Lowe would allow them to keep Vasquez who is much more difficult to trade, save some money, get a prospect or two and get some insurance in case Schafer can’t put it together or Heyward has some trouble adjusting to the show at the beginning.
Really?
Some people are taking this thread seriously…ATL would be INSANE to pull the trigger on this deal…GMJ would be their 4th maybe 5th outfielder, and they’re going to give up their #2 pitcher for him?? Give me a break. We’d be lucky to get the #2 pitcher from the Richmond Braves(AAA team) for GMJ.
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Nov 19, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, I don't see why the Braves would do this.
Yes, Lowe didn’t live up to expectations but he is still decent and he has value because he is durable and can give you a lot of innings.
Gary Nothankews Jr. on the other hand has no value whatsoever.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 20, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
have you guys seen the Braves OF, its pretty shitty.
GMJ would indeed be an upgrade.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 20, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's not THAT bad.
Plus it’s on the cheap, except for Mclouth I think.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Nov 20, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
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