Arte Can't Afford Both Figgy and Lackey
by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2009 11:17 AM PST
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PrintBlogger Bill Shaikin managed to get a few comments from Arte Moreno on his "Fabulous Forum" blog:
Some Highlights:
- Can only afford one of John Lackey and Chone Figgins
- Nope to Matt Holliday
- Maybe to Jason Bay
- Vladimir Guerrero? Loves Vlad, no answer yet.
- Five and Six Year contracts are for suckahs!
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We should make a run for big John. Figgy is da man but I think we’re fine depth-wise at 1B. Don’t really care about Holliday not playing here. I wouldn’t mind jason bay at all. He had some pretty solid numbers with Boston, although I do believe he kinda fizzled out towards the end of the season and into the playoffs.
It’s sad, but yes, I think it’s time for Vlad to move on if we sign Bay. If we don’t sign Bay who would be our DH? How about 50% Nap and 50% Wood!
I agree with the last comment. No more 6 year contracts. It’s like buying a shit load of bananas, they always end up going bad.
R.I.P Nick
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 19, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions
At least with bananas
you can freeze them and make banana bread later.
What we've got can't be bought
Or dip 'em in chocolate, roll 'em in chopped peanuts,
buy yourself a bungalow on Balboa Island and check out!
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
There's always money at the Banana Stand
:)
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Arrested Development Win.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 19, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Favorite show ever!
Can’t wait for the movie. I hope it leads to more episodes.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Family comes first.
Never forget that.
2011: The year of Angels World Domination
by LazorkoRules on Nov 19, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with the 5 - 6 year contract statement, as well.
Sure, sometimes it is good for a team to lock up a player they won’t have to worry about bolting for a long time, but it seems to me I see a lot more times it puts a millstone around the neck of a team if that player starts to tank and the team is going to be stuck with them for a long… long… long time. Think Gary Matthews Jr or Barry Zito. Mike Hampton is another that comes to mind, but I think his teams have found suckers to dump him off on (though they probably had to eat a bunch of his salary to do it). I would love to see the “success rate” of $100 mil plus contracts where the team actually gets more than a couple really good seasons from the player as opposed to a lot of years of buyer remorse.
I think if I’m a GM, a BIG rule I would have is not to sign a long term, big money contract that takes the player into his late 30’s, early 40’s (Kevin Brown, etc). Unless the team gets lucky with a Nolan Ryan “pitching fastballs into his 90’s” kind of player, the odds are strong they’ll be giving elite money to an aging player with extreme declining skills, stats and money.
by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
It would make sense
If we sign Lackey or Figgins, could Arte afford Bay?
On the Angels’ needs: “We’d like to have a power bat, a starter and another bullpen guy.”
Starter = Lackey
Bullpen guy = Oliver
power bat = Bay???
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Lackey
likely a repeat of the Teixeira drama … of course, if SOS can be to a post-Lackey Rotation what Kendry Morales was to a post-Teix lineup, well then…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
pardon my french Rev
But that’s a pretty big fucking IF.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Get your shirt
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Best. Shirt. Ever.
I met my lovely wife because of that line. I had it in my match.com profile, and she wrote to me because she was curious what it meant. The rest, as they say, is history.
Very nice! But what exactly DOES it mean?
For those of us unenlightened folk?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Amazing, figures it would be Pythons.
How have I missed this?
Btw, two peanuts were walking down the street…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I dropped a Piranha Brothers reference during the regular season
In response to somebody’s use of sarcasm. And nobody seemed to catch it.
Very disappointing.
Dinsdale!
Maybe you should have used the Other Other Plan!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Or known how to treat a female impersonator
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
the sketch
centers upon a rogue company distributing inaccurate Hungarian-English translation dictionaries. We see various domestic scenes in which the Hungarian says something illogical, indecent or incomprehensible while trying to ask a simple question.
Hence, a Hungarian gentleman (John Cleese) enters a tobacconist’s shop and declares, “I will not buy this record; it is scratched,” when he means to state that he would like to buy some cigarettes. “My hovercraft is full of eels” is what he says when asking shopkeeper Terry Jones for some matches.
Ah yes this is amazing. I must find this sketch on the Internets.
What season?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Episode 25
Here is the entire show script.
You may want to bookmark this site, or buy the two volume set “All the Words”, which contain the scripts to every episode. Very helpful in translating English into English, as it were, when colloquialisms or heavy regional accents are used.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 3:04 AM PST up reply actions
I will not buy this record
It is scratched.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
My nipples are full to bursting.
Is that right?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Drop your panties, Sir William; I cannot wait until lunchtime!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
thanks
If I told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against me? Bouncy, bouncy.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Rev
I would like nothing more to see SOS become the next Lackey. But is that really likely?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Probably not in 2010--But
It could happen in the next couple of years.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Based on my pure, random speculation and love for the Irish.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Seriously
who doesn’t love the Irish. We’re so darn scrappy!
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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I'm with you Rev.
SOS reminded me of Lackey a couple times during the season. I hope he is a surprise Lackey. Like you said….lightning.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 19, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't heard SOS talk.
I hope he doesn’t sound as strange as Lackey.
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Or Ray Romano?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Ace of the team, 2002 series winner
vs. 32 year old with depleting speed.
let me think.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
We should resign Colon
This could be his break out resurgence
R.I.P Nick
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Or how about the entire 2002 team...
I think the majority of that team is a FA this year.
Ooooh, BURN.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Ever heard of a guy named Escobar?
I heard he’s suppose to be really great at recovering from surgeries.
oops.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 20, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Here is what struck me.
“We’re at $101 million now. We were at $113 million last year. If you look at what they’re asking, you can’t bring both of them back.”
How are we at 101 million without Vlad, Lackey, Figgy and Oliver?? I am confused.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions
I dont know.
but i want to blame it on GMJ’s contract.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 19, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
2009 Salaries
Lackey – 10 million
Escobar – 10 million
Vlad – 15 million
Oliver 3.5 million
Figgy 5.75 million
Abreu 6 million
Escobar is not going to be resigned (10 million saved)
Abreau signed for something over this (9 million ??)
I think we can sign Vlad for less than 15 million a year (or we shouldn’t sign him, honestly). I would say we could get him for 7-8 million. That would save 7-8 million.
That is 15 million to spread to Lackey, Figgy, Oliver on top of what they made last year. Is it that unreasonable that Lackey goes from 10 to 15 (using 5 million), Figgy goes from 5.775 to 9 (or 10?), using another 3.25 million, and we get Oliver for 3.5 – 5 million, using only 1 or so.
That would still mean 5 million or so less than last year.
Is there more information I don’t have (surely there is)?? How do the rest of the team’s salary structures change for next year to impact this?
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
arbitration has arrved
Napoli, Izturis, Saunders and Weaver are all due hefty raises.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
How hefty are we talking about?
Santana makes 3.8 million. Are the Colonel and Dream Weaver getting more than that?? Naps makes 2 now, where does he go to?
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Santana
signed a 4-year, $30-million deal in February, so that kicks in. As for Saunders and Weaver, they could cash in really big at arbitration. Each earned under $500K last year; they’ll surely get a few million each.
scott kazmir's 8 or 9 million or whatever got tacked on
and yes, half the team gets arbitration raises
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
What you all said below is true
Some players are due arbitration. Some are set to get more money, once those deals are done.
However, Arte (supposedly) said we are AT 101 million NOW. Does he know how those deals are going to be done, or do we have to do all of those deals after the 101 million (which leaves absolutely NO room for FAs, ours or others, with the arbitrary 113 million ceiling).
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 19, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Holliday
I guess Arte’s unequivocal response regarding Matt Holliday means Buster Olney is a terribly misinformed reporter, and quite possibly a tool for the Boras camp.
Unfortunately for Olney, he took his misinformation (or disinformation) and blasted it out into the Twitterverse.
That seems to be the ongoing problem with Twitter: There are far too many twits using it.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
I think Buster Olney is a tool.
Not a tool for the Boras camp, just a tool.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Olney pulls this stuff out of his ass.
Any one of us could do his job. I’m a good guesser too.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 19, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Then you're better than Olney
Clearly, he’s a crappy guesser.
We all shot that rumor down in mere minutes with commonly-known information.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Half these sports writers are hacks these days.
And most get all butt hurt that bloggers are just as right and wrong as they are.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 19, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
He's got a list of free agents...
And a spinner with teams.
Adrian Beltre – Yankees
Jason Bay – Tampa Bay
John Lackey – Reds
Blue – Left foot.
Sorry, he uses the spinner for Twister too.
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REDS??
Muhahaha… if this list is series then Olney is a complete asshole.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 20, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
No, it's not serious
But some of the possibilities that Olney and others come up with, it might as well be.
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On Brandon Wood:
“He’s one of the players that’s earned an opportunity to try to win a job.”
“One of the players…”
“…earned an opportunity…”
“…to try and win a job.”
(emphasis mine.)
Not exactly a clarion call of the arrival of a new star now, is it?
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Dangling the carrot
instead of creating an atmosphere of competing for a spot – especially as the market for Figgins develops and ossible trades bubble under the surface…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
True dat.
But Arte could just have easily said: “Brandon is definitely coming up (note: which, according to the CBA, would be true). He is going to be a solid part of our team next year and we are pretty excited about Spring Training and finding out where he slots into lineup.”
That version of a quote props up Wood (even if merely to maintain any trade value), without committing Wood to anything beyond what the rules already dictate.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Could be wrong,
but it seems to me that it doesn’t matter what Arte said about Wood because the Angels are out of options on Wood. We either need to give him a roster spot, or let him go. Isn’t that how it works? So, he doesn’t really need to earn a job, technically. He’ll have a spot. He just needs to earn playing time. He can either be the new Figgins or the new Quinlan.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
Sounds about right. Or if they re-sign Figgins I think they milk Wood’s value for all they’ve got and get a star…or another can’t-miss prospect with tons of upside and a few more option years ;-D.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
There is an Option C
They can release him.
Thus, Arte’s statement that Wood needs to earn a job, even though we know he won’t be sent down to SLC without needing to clear waivers first.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
Arte's not the GM
He’s not going to talk with certainty who will or won’t have a shot at a position.
However, it did seem to me that the subtext in his comment was that Wood would be playing for some team, either in Anaheim, or elsewhere as part of a trade.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
My guess as well
But at the time of the interview, the negotiation window with Figgins was still wide open, and a deal with Figgins would spell the end of Wood’s time in Anaheim. Thus, I imagine he was keeping all options open.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, who knows?
The amount of equivocating in his comment was kind of annoying. I want to see Brandon Wood here on this team, but we’ll have to accept whatever happens. It’s exciting, in any event!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Bay for Vlad is what we will do?
I would really enjoy taking a bat away from boston.
They want power. We want respect...
I bet we keep figgins and lackey walks
the signals from tony, arte, etc. for chone have been strong for him to stay and the signals for lackey have been more cautionary like we’re gonna try, but don’t expect to keep him
RIP Nick Adenhart
Figgins
The exclusive negotiation window for the Angels with all their free agents closes on the 20th. My guess is that if Figgins doesn’t sign before the deadline, the offer (1) won’t be sweetened, and (2) will be taken off the table.
History has shown Arte likes to make his best offer first and doesn’t like for it to be used to boost the offers of others. If Figgins really thinks the grass is greener elsewhere and leaves, I suspect the team will move on with its plans and leave Figgins to continue his career elsewhere. If he elects to revisit the Angel offer, it might not be there.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
i just feel figgins is more realisitc to re-sign
he likes it here, he’s an Angel at heart and I just don’t see the market for him. All the teams linked to him just as quickly put out signs they cant afford him.
Lackey, on the other hand, has the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets and Mariners looking at him.
So unless you guys want to give lackey 6 years and 110 million or something, keep dreaming
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think they're both gone
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
If they’re not signed by the 20th, they are both toast.
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by LazorkoRules on Nov 19, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with ihearhowie
I think the major difference is that Lackey wants to leave, and Figgins doesn’t. Lackey has had an increasingly bad attitude over the past few years.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
If you're right
Then we’ll learn before the end of today that Figgins has signed with the Angels.
Otherwise, he’ll become a free agent. I don’t think the Angels would offer arbitration because one more year of Figgins doesn’t help the team—it needs to either move forward with him and trade Wood, or say goodbye and install Wood at 3B.
If Figgins decides to sign with the Angels, then we could expect either Wood or Kendrick being used to dangle in front of another GM in as part of a package for a key puzzle piece, like Halliday.
But that is a long way off, and it doesn’t seem like Arte’s style to leave the porch light on for Figgins if he elects to negotiate with other teams.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, my mistake
I was thinking that if the team offered arbitration and he declined, no negotiation could happen until mid-May. Apparently, that was incorrect.
Anyway, it is moot, and counter to my opinion from earlier—I don’t think he’ll sign before end of today, the team will have placed its best offer on the table and is highly unlikely to better that offer to beat out another team, and Figgins will wind up playing in another town.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Mark my words
The only free agent we keep is Oliver.
Wood slides into third, Nap DHs, and the outfield is set.
Everything else is up in the air.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I think figgins returns
and Wood gets packaged with others for some kind of bat/reliever/starter
I just feel like the Angels really want to keep Figgins (as much as some fans might not) and that they like the Figgins/Abreu walk machine at the top of the order.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well
as much I as love OBP, Figgins only really took pitches this year, in his walk year. It could be possible he did this to drive up his value, or is a fluke.
Wood is out of options, and is under club control. He is much cheaper and has a chance to put up the same offensive numbers Figgins does in terms of SLG and XBH, which is what you desire from a 3bman.
I think we go cheap this year, sign vital players, compete with what we got and make a trade if needed.
I feel the Angels FO may save up for the monster FA class next offseason.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I don't buy it.
So you’re saying Figgins improved his game just to earn more money? So, then what? Once he earns it he’ll go back to being more of a free swinger? No. He improved because that’s what good players do. They get even better.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Explain GMJ
Or Carl Pavano, or Adrian Beltre.
The phenomenon of the “salary drive” is quite common.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 3:19 AM PST up reply actions
George already said it
But it’s fairly common knowledge that guys generally perform their best in walk years. I’m sure it’s not only money that drives guys to be better, but they are “auditioning” for other teams so they play their best. Unfortunately, it also creates aberrations/
RIP #34
While it is true, there are aberrations ...
I don’t see Figgy’s performance as one. He has been steadily improving in his hitting. This wasn’t a one-off year, where he was far better than he had been (and one might be wondering if he were to recede in coming years). Criticisms of his speed diminishing or his age, I believe, have more foundation, but even those don’t suggest that a potential gold glove lead-off 3B, hitting over .300 is not worth a look. I don’t care how good Wood is supposed to be.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 20, 2009 5:59 AM PST up reply actions
we have a winner
Plus he had 100+ walks and he can play any position if there’s an injury (and there are always injuries).
Lackey wants to be paid like a grade A #1 starter, but he’s not that, and the Lack (pun intended) of one keeps killing us in the play-offs.
How many times do we have to start a post-season series down a game or two? If you were the owner and you have a $120 million payroll, how would you feel going into a series facing a healthy Sabathia or Lester knowing a healthy Burnett, Beckett, and Petite is waiting for you? I’d be scared and pissed off.
(And yes, I know Figgins hasn’t done shit in the play-offs either, but none of our hitters really have against TOP pitching. At least he has a chance to manufacture a run or two if he can somehow get on base).
by Los Angeles de Inglewood on Nov 21, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
That's my point.
How can you even compare GMJ and Figgins? GMJ had one decent year. Figgins has steadily clawed his way upward through his whole career.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 21, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
wish I would have read this
before I wrote my diatribe. Oh well.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Can't afford both John Lackey and Chone Figgins
Are baseball owners collectively crying poor to keep FA salaries lower this time around? After all, they just came from a big GM meeting and many of them have talked to each other. They have the issue of the economy to justify their statements that funds just are’nt there. This article from Ken Rosenthal describes a very accusational back and forth on this subject between Scott Boras and Robb Manfred, baseball’s chief of labor relations. Club Presidents from the Braves, Pirates, and Cardinals also give their views. I came away with more questions than answers reading this but it was very interesting to read and wonder about. The statement Arte made about no more five or six year contracts makes sense, but if all owners decide this is the way they will go, could that be seen as a form of collusion?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10392772/Boras-Manfred-war-of-words-an-unsettling-omen
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Arte has kept his salary flat for more than a half-decade now
It’s a good business model: Salary flat, revenues up, win-win-win.
That makes him the anti-McCourt
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Again, if Arte wants it
he’ll do whatever it takes to get it. that includes raising payroll a touch if he needs to.
i could see us going after Bay, but you have to think Lackey is priority #1 right now. If we get Lackey, we only get Bay if his price comes down.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
ARTIE IS THE MAN
Not only does the dude spend the cash and make sure the beer is cheap, he (and the Ninja) clearly know what they are doing.
Obviously they want Lackey back, but I wonder if they will give him the 100M that I think Big John will get.
Also, Boras always puts it out there that all the rich teams are after his players to drive up the price. Interesting that the Angels are not playing along and they don’t care if they piss off Boras.
i think lackey goes and figgy stays...
1) lackey isn’t going to be resigned for 12.0 million but 2) figgy could be resigned for somewhere south of 12.0 mill. 3) figgy won’t get a 5-6 year deal and lackey will. 4) figgy will play 2b (better for him at this point of his career) wood will play 3b. 5) arbitration raises kendrick and napoli will be used to get a starting pitcher. 6) if arte wants a starting pitcher, big bat and a bullpen arm for 12.0 mill. we will have to make trades for this t happen.
And if its one thing the Angels specialize in
its offseason trades.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Blackballing players because of a d-bag agent
is pretty amusing… or should i say “gangsta.”
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I think its both
I sure hope Weaver finds a new agent before his contract is up or its so long W.T.Y.
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Figgy had a remarkable year...
but a big signing for him just screams Vernon Wells to me.
His defense is remarkable and his bat is typical. I just don’t think he’s worth 9 million a year for 5 years.
Meanwhile...
Reports say Jason Bay turned down the offer from the Red Sox, which was for 4 yrs/$60M.
Yes, Jason Bay believes he’s worth more than $15M/yr.
Something tells me Arte isn’t going to be signing him, either.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
Bay just wants to test the market...
i wouldnt be surprised if in a month he ends up signing with the sox for virtually the same offer…
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 20, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
101M?
can anyone explain where the 101M coming from?
According to http://0rz.tw/op510 , we only spend 77M, including abreu and gmj’s contract.
If we can spend around 113M, we still have about 35M.
I guess this news must be wrong.
arbitration raises coming
to many players
by Rev Halofan on Nov 20, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Rev, that is true, but ...
Arte said we are at 101 million NOW. I don’t know where he got that number, as he can’t predict how arbitration will go.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 20, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
I assume
He is mentally calculating the raises the team expects to have to pay in arbitration—worst case scenarios. That gives him a mental baseline for what he’s paying, before any free agent is added to the mix. If he’s off by $5M, for example, it doesn’t really change anything, when a guy like Lackey is expecting $15M+ for 2010.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 3:18 AM PST up reply actions
That depends.
15 million is 5 million more than Lackey made this season. Is he using last year’s salaries as a base, and only focusing on the ‘raises’? If so, a 5 million difference could net you Lackey. A smaller difference could be enough for Figgy, for example.
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 20, 2009 3:55 AM PST up reply actions
Let see
Erick Aybar 3.086
LAA SS
Maicer Izturis 5.038
LAA 2B
Howie Kendrick 3.091
LAA 2B
Jeff Mathis 3.012
LAA C
Mike Napoli 3.151
LAA C
Joe Saunders 3.013
LAA SP
Jered Weaver 3.129
LAA SP
Reggie Willits 3.000
LAA OF
Are the players up for a raise.
Can we find the 24M in here?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Excellent work
We have had some terrific players in starting and support roles, all making MLB minimum for their service level, who will now begin to cost serious money.
You have to know that Arte has, mentally, already spent that payroll money. Now comes the task of either loosening the pursestrings, or finding ways to open space on the current payroll.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 20, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
101M caught my eye too...
Your posted link has $77M – and I think that’s essentially correct.** My spreadsheet shows $91M in 2010 commitments. (yeah, I have a lot of downtime on international flights and an unnatural affinity for formatted data).
The only difference is that I carried across all the 1-year contract guys into 2010 @ salaries equivalent to 2009 (voila! $91.06M). This is near correct EXCEPT it does not acknowledge raises via arbitration eligibility. Hence, the difference between Arty’s $101 and the externally ‘known’ current payroll is ‘only’ $10M ($91 vs. $101).
It would be relatively easy to burn-up $10M among Aybar, Izturis, Kendrick, Napoli, Saunders, Weaver and Willits – those eligible for arbitration.
Like PhiSlamma, I’m guessing Arte is talking about a net-of-arbitration number with the $101M. We’ll just have to wait and see how it got spread around…
**I know of only $700K due to Kendry in 2010. Where’d your $1.4M number come from?
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
...and if that's all true...
There really IS ‘only’ about $12-13 Million available for signing “…a power bat, a starter and another bullpen guy.”
Bullsh!+ detectors still going off. So, why would you be looking at Jason Bay if you only have $12M to spend on all the stated talent you need? He’d gobble-up that and more all by himself.
Is Bay gonna pitch and DH too?
I think Arte is engaging in “strategery”. Either he’s willing to go higher than last year’s team salary, or he’s driving-up Bay’s price for a secondary purpose…
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
Regarding Wood:
On Brandon Wood: “Eventually, Brandon is going to get his 600, 800, 1,000 at-bats. He’s done everything he can in our minor league system. He’s been a very patient guy. … I can’t tell you he’ll be guaranteed a job. He’s one of the players that’s earned an opportunity to try to win a job.”
This statement reminds me of comments made by both Scisocia and Moreno after Dallas McPherson went down with the bone spur in his hip.
They seemed rather indignant, pointing to the fact that DMac had been “given the job”. They brought him up and gave him the job at third base, rather than have him compete with anyone else after the already-departed Glaus.
It’s as if they are fixated on having players (Wood) continuously compete to earn their spots in the line-up. This coincides with another statement from Moreno that I remember reading: “This is a performance business.”
Keep Lackey
Give Woody his shot- we’ll be sorry if he gets it somewhere else. He’s capable of a breakout year. re-sign Vlad at 2 yrs 10-12 M. If he needs more then he can go get’em.
Xavier Calvera
I honestly do not understand the Lackey support
he has not had a full, injury free season in three years. He may be branded as an “emotional leader” but I see him as a “guy who whines a lot once every five days”.
I never agreed with random labels thrown on players when we really have no idea what and how they do in the clubhouse. I can see a significant impact from Torri in his time he, something that I feel Lackey has never brought.
I mean, if you consider getting down on your teammates when they make an error on the field, during a playoff game, being a leader then I guess I see your point. I guess being taught through years and years of ballplaying that you never scream/curse/point/scowl at your teammates when you are in the field, no matter what the error, must change when you are a big time pitcher in the MLB.
Signing a guy who keeps getting injured recently, and who im my opinion is not a leader what so ever, does not make sense. Especially at the cost.
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Not many pitchers with under-4.00 ERAs for five straight years, averaging 30 starts per
And he wants the ball.
So does Matt Palmer
Wanting the ball, and being a guy who will be durable enough to be of value for 5 contract-guaranteed seasons of $15M+, aren’t always mutually inclusive.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 21, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
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