An Emotional Plea for John Lackey's Return
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 22, 2009 1:32 PM PST
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I am surprised by the general sentiments that have befallen over fellow HH’ers regarding John Lackey. It seems that many seem rather indifferent over whether we sign Big John or not. Many of the off-season posts are acting as if Lackey is as good as gone. Perhaps, this stems from a lack of confidence in our FO putting up the $ to re-sign him. But I ask you this: How is John Lackey NOT the face of this organization? And why wouldn’t the FO put up the money?
Many of us lament the likely loss of Vlad. It’s an emotional departure and as many have pointed out, he’s been the face of the Angels for the last couple of years. While I deeply love Vlad, I question that sentiment and wonder why Lackey does not seem to share the same love and feverish desire for his return from the fans.
Lest I remind all of you of Lackey’s passion for winning. Or his classic quote of the season, "We win flags." His shit talking on Pedroia in 2008 after losing the ALDS in 2008 or his World Series Game 7 in 2002 as a rookie. Or perhaps, it should be reminded of all of you that he went through our organization and has continued to be the undeniable ACE of our staff for almost 7 years now. Or that despite two seasons in a row starting on the DL, he has returned to put up solid, if not exceptional numbers.
As a baseball player, Lackey has been raised as an Angel. Who else, right now on our team, is that much of a Los Angeles Angel? Even our beloved Scioscia started off in Dodger Blue. Players like Weaver, Saundo and Aybar may soon become the face of the Angels, but right now, Lackey is the complete representation of what our organization attempts to exude: A classy, passionate player, nurtured in the Angels organization, who has a strong desire for winning. Why wouldn’t we sign him?
Finally, because money rules the world at the end of the day, many of you may say that while you want Lackey back, you don’t know if he’s worth the $$$. I don’t know much about the money game but I do know that Lackey has a better ERA than A.J. Burnett, is younger and has more wins despite pitching his entire career so far in the AL. In comparison, it seems like the money should be coughed up for Lackey to keep him in Angel red and have him be, essentially, what Pettitte is to the Skankees.
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Lackey
He isn’t the face of the organization because he works every fifth day.
While he has turned into an ace and some say may have matured, he still tends to have his bitter beer face moments.
Admittedly losing Lackey would probably as close to losing Nolan Ryan – but the Angels are content to move on if Lackey demands too many years and too much money.
It is a two-way street – Lackey doesn’t have to choose the highest bidder and if he feels the Angels have made him an offer that falls a little bit short of what others are offering, but still fair enough for him to be with the Angels, he should take it.
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Nov 22, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"a bit short"
I got a feeling there will be a big gap between Arte’s final offer and Madoff/Wilpon’s winning bid.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 22, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re- Lackey
I agree with BBFan 1, I’d like to keep Lackey but he should also show good faith and meet us somewhere in between. Loyalty is a two way street
Xavier Calvera
by xavier c on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're all setting our watches by the likelihood that Lackey gets sentimental
If he wanted to stay, he would have already signed. He is going to marry the guy with the most money. Love has nothing to do with it.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 30, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
amen!
I feel your sentiment. I feel the same way too.
Angels 2009 WS Champs
by dan73962 on Nov 22, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
I think sentiment only goes so far. I’d be curious to see how people would respond if we’re paying John $19-20M a year and he’s constantly hurt or ineffective as he gets older. It’s easy to say give him whatever he wants when we just won 97 games and he pitched well in the playoffs (in a contract year)
It’s another story 4 or 5 years down the road when his contract could hamstring us from getting a crucial available piece to the puzzle. Are you OK with the team tanking because of sentimental value?
I want Lackey back for 3 years but that’s not possible. Good business operates detached from emotion.
I like being good every year and this regime has been making this happen with smart business sense (for the most part). I suspect that will continue being that they know more about John Lackey and his elbow/tricep than ANYONE
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 22, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree in spirit, if not on all details
Lackey is definitely a Leader (if a bit of a dick to infielders who make errors), and a key organizational Face (if on the homely side). He’s a big horse who wants the damned ball, and seems to have a mental edge on the rest of the starters (only Saunders seems to have anywhere near the same Eye of the Panther, though Weaver is definitely a competitive sumbitch).
But “undeniable ACE of our staff for almost 7 years now”? He’s only been the best starter in the rotation twice in his career (‘06-’07).
I hope we sign him, because then we’ll have the best rotation in the AL, which seems like a good thing to have.
by mattwelch on Nov 22, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for sorting out the hyperbole
But "undeniable ACE of our staff for almost 7 years now"? He’s only been the best starter in the rotation twice in his career (‘06-’07).
Yes, there was that small matter of Barolo Colon winning the Cy in 2005. One doesn’t get any acey-er than that. Santana had comparable stats in 2006 and Escobar matched Lackey stride for stride in 2007.
I don’t think anyone is opposed to signing Lackey, just concerned about the terms. Those who lobby for “at any cost” really aren’t looking down the road clearly.
And—brutal truth—aside from winning 19 games in 2007, Lackey hasn’t won more than 14 games ever. No big deal if you’re Zack Greneke and you play on teams which lack talent, but these were teams which (aside from 2006) went to the postseason. An ace is Johan Santana, or Curt Schilling, or Randy Johnson. Lackey has been a good pitcher, but he hasn’t existed in that rarefied stratum.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 22, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look closer though...
the last two years, Lackey hasnt won more than 14 games but if he played the full season and got adequate run support, he likely would have. I remember two distinct games in 2008 where he pitched exceptionally well but was not supported by the runs and ended with an L. One came when he pitched 8 2/3 innings of shutout ball before giving up a HR and that was all it took to give him a loss. Turn those two losses into wins and we have a 14-3 pitcher who didnt even pitch the entire year.
Sure, Lackey is not Randy Johnson. Is anyone arguing that though? Andy Pettitte isnt the Ace of the Yankees staff anymore but he sure as hell is the leading veteran and Yankee on the staff.
I ask you this George: who do you want on the mound Game 7 in a World Series?? nuff said…
Im going for
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ANY pitcher can make the same claim
the last two years, Lackey hasnt won more than 14 games but if he played the full season and got adequate run support, he likely would have. I remember two distinct games in 2008 where he pitched exceptionally well but was not supported by the runs and ended with an L. One came when he pitched 8 2/3 innings of shutout ball before giving up a HR and that was all it took to give him a loss. Turn those two losses into wins and we have a 14-3 pitcher who didnt even pitch the entire year.
The guy who won 20 that year might well have won 22 if, if, if… It is the nature of the job. It is entirely possible he won a few he should not have—again, there is a certain amount of scale-balancing that goes on in the course of a season.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
If Lackey had as many wins in 2007 as he did quality starts, he would have won the Cy Young—hard to argue with 21 wins and the lowest ERA in the league if not the majors.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 23, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even so
We’re parsing a single season. We’re not talking about his body of work in general.
To go back to the earlier declarations about him, “Lackey hasnt won more than 14 games but if he played the full season and got adequate run support…” that is a huge “if”. He has sat out a significant part of the last two seasons on the DL, something which should give pause to anyone contemplating compensation for him matching that given to AJ Burnett. One way any pitcher wins 20 is to go out to the mound 30+ times a season; but it won’t happen with 24 (2008) or 27 (2009) starts.
Recalling his earlier years accurately, he spent 2003-2005 as Dr Lackey and Mr Hyde, have starts which were either promising or horrendous. It would have required 45 starts to give him a shot at 20 back then.
Again, I don’t see anyone here slamming Lackey’s talent, but I do see folks cautioning prudence against irrational exuberance in trying to land him a contract. All we have in speculation, of course, but many feel that the Yankees will do what they have to do to lock up Lackey; if that involves a deal with the same ridiculous numbers of those given to Sabathia and Burnett, does anyone truly counsel Arte to match the offer?
There will be no hometown discount. Lackey is chasing the fattest deal, which is his right. He would be a valuable addition to the Angel rotation in 2010 and beyond, but not without limitations on a deal, both in terms of dollars and duration. If it doesn’t make sense, then it shouldn’t be done.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm sure
Lackey bitched and bitched about losing those two games.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 23, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Lackey, I really do.
But I don’t view him as the face of the organization. He would have to get behind Vlad, Torii and even Morales (for now). Lackey is a stud, a workhorse and a winner. He’s also prone to throwing tantrums and his players under the bus.
I get the whole “passion” thing but at the same time, it gets old watching him scream as Kinsler rounds the bases after hitting a homerun, screaming at Scioscia as he gets pulled (ALCS Game 5 aside) and screaming as his players make errors behind him. The screaming does get old, pick your teammates up and shut your damn mouth. I haven’t seen any of his defenders scream after he gave up a homerun. However, all that aside, I’d still love to see him on the mound opening day. If he’s a Halo, I’m cheering for him. He is Big John, the winner of game 7, the winning workhorse and the man who made being at game 1 of the ALDS an amazing experience. (When I remember the look on all the fair weather Boston fans, I feel like a kid waking up on Christmas day.)
I want him back and I want him back bad. However, if he wants A.J. money and puts that over the club that raised him and made him who he is, it’s time for Weaver to step it up and be the ace.
Rex Hudler For President
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 22, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think he has thrown his teammates under the bus a few times.
Another thing that bothers me about Lackey is he has made comments over the last two to three years expressing interest in his big paycheck (ala K-rod and Texeira when he was in Texas) and little loyalty for the Angels. I think he has been waiting for this moment for a long time and I think it is important for his ego (the same ego that makes him a good pitcher) to get the biggest contract possible. He may think the grass is greener on the other side, but then again maybe he should talk to K-Rod.
I would be fine signing him for Burnett money (and i agree that Burnett is overpaid) but if it means getting in a bidding war between NY & BOS it would not be worth it. 5 years scares me too. I can think of a lot of pitchers who have signed for 4+ years that ended harming the club in the end. And I can not think of many long term contracts for pitchers that ended up being beneficial for the club in the long run.
That’s just my 2 cents
by Trott on Nov 22, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, but...
Yes, Lackey is certainly the equal (statistically) of Burnett, but…
Burnett isn’t worth the money he’s being paid. His contract is grossly more than he deserves. Replicating that deal simply because Lackey feels he’s deserving of the same money is a great way to screw up payroll for years.
If he decides something closer to what the Angels offered him is good enough, then he’ll stay with the team. But if he insists upon a 5th guaranteed year or more annual income, then he’s going to have to seek his future elsewhere. The deal offered him earlier is a very good indication of how the team values him financially, and I think it appears to be a very fair offer.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 22, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is Lackey really our number 1 starter
Look at his record the last few seasons. He definitely hasn’t been a clearly defined numero uno on our staff. With that said, if we are not going to replace him with an upgrade (and that is not Kazmir), then I beleive we need to sign him.
I hope we bring back Lackey,Figgy, and Vlad.
I can understand how there isn’t a big cry to sign Lackey because of the huge dollars he’s going to demand with a WEAK crop of starters out there. Ultimately it will come down to which player can we replace cheaper. So unfortuneately Figgy is probably gone when Granderson is staring us in the face.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 22, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's the No. 1
Because he bitches, whines, snarls and grovels for every pitch – he has the intangibles of being a bully in the front end of the Angels rotation.
If the Angels don’t resign him, then they don’t have the similar swagger and cockiness – a little maybe over the top and may not even be necessary, but I shudder to think if the Red Sox or Yankees add him to their starting rotation.
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Nov 22, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re-sign him
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Nov 22, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
look closer...
12-5 is a helluva record for a pitcher who didnt pitch the entire year and had more than one, 1-run loss.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see Lackey re-signed
I’s also love to see Vlad back too. I’m just not sure if there’s room for Vlad.
But, make no mistake about it, there’s room for Lackey. And we’d be a better team because of it.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
by 10 27 02 on Nov 22, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Moustache but you got the quote wrong......
Lackey said
We Fly Flags…….
Its on the top of the website. But ya I really want to have Lackey back!!
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on Nov 22, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
fail.....on the quote dont know what the hell happened there! lol
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on Nov 22, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey...it was an emotional rant...
forgive me.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, Hear! And, I'm torn....
John was the first minor league player my sons and I followed into the “bigs”. We used to go to Elsinore Storm games when visiting family on the other side of the hill. The Storm were an Angels ‘A+’ affiliate at the time. Saw John pitch great games in VERY hot conditions back around 2000. We’ve all been big fans since.
We bit our fingernails and jumped up and down in amazement when he subsequently pitched in the World Series in ’02.
There was fire in him back then too – the same fire that was directed at Sosh last month. We read together and shook our heads in agreement with an article where his Triple-A manager – who managed both – compared him to Clemens in disposition and courage.
So, naturally, we’d be more than pleased to see him remain an Angels. Seeing him wear the competition’s uniform would be a somber event.
I’m torn though…. I agree with Arte’s stated view that long-term contracts – especially for starting pitchers – are, uh, unwise. Can’t blame Lackey for taking the dollars and security if it’s offered though.
If the Angels could re-sign Lackey to a 2-year contract, even for ungodly money, I’d be screaming in favor of that. But, mortgage the business for him – or anyone?
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
by LAASurfin on Nov 22, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No chance in the world of a two-year deal
I don’t even think he’d settle for a four-year deal. I think you have to offer a six-year contract and hope that the last two years don’t kill you. But, hey, if we can swallow a couple more years of GMJ after getting very little production the first three years, then I would hope we could swallow two overpriced years and the end of Lackey’s deal.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
by 10 27 02 on Nov 22, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, didn't mean to indicate...
that I thought he’d actually take two years. Point is, were I Arte, I might think real hard about offering 2 years/$42M but would NOT go 5 years/$85M. I might shape something that way just to get in the game – Lackey’d get his payday, be eligible for another big contract again in two years and the team’s down-side exposure would be limited. I realize Lackey – and others – want the longer-term security. Just sayin…
I really do not think the Yankees can afford John this year (yeah, I said it…). Bad timing for them, starting pitching is not their number one need and even their pockets have bottoms.
Sox can absorb it though, as can others…
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
by LAASurfin on Nov 22, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always wondered if players read sites like this
They’re probably smart to stay away, but I really hope Lackey sees this. We love you and want you to stay. There is more to life than money. We don’t want to see you go.
If you leave, I will listen to this on repeat for 24 hours. No one wants that.
by jessthelion on Nov 22, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the support...
Lets hope he returns!
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Big John back........
but I will also not blame him if he wants to go to where the money is…….He’s earned the right to be paid as much as he can get.
Whether or not that is here isnt up to any of us…….
I will always be grateful that Big John was an Angel…..even if he is not one come 2010
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love Lackey
and told father back as a rookie inspite of his lack of a high quality fastball he would become an ace. I would like him back at no more then 4 yrs and 17mil per which wont get him and would perfer Chapman. I am an Angels fan not as player fan I want what is best for the franchise now and the future I dont want to revert back to the Autry days. Wew have 4 solid starters and maybe a ace in weaver I would rather start a rookie(younin) then over pay for Lackey. This year lets sign a player or two of our own give some younger players experience and go back into FAgency next yr
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
by Blaze453 on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just somewhere... (Though I lack the link)
That his agent speculated that if he doesn’t get “His” contract, Lackey may accept arbitration and try again next year. Though that seems like a bad idea with the potential of Halladay, beckett, Lee, Webb, Young, ect…
Now I don’t think all those players will be avilable but I think Joh would have a better go at FA this year. If he all he gets is 4 years, he better take it.
Here’s to hoping he’s a halo in 2010, w/out breaking Arte’s bank.
by matt92130 on Nov 23, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Ninja's cold sweat nightmare is...
“….. Joe Saunders and Jared Weaver have both won 17-20 a year for a couple years now with sub 4.00 ERAs, Santana finally matured and won the strike out crown and 20 games, Morales is top 5 in MVP voting for the last 3 years, he’ll wanna get paid soon, and Wood’s gonna need some serious arbitration money cause he panned out too…. they’re all so young, so good, it’s a shame most of them have to leave. If only we didn’t have to pay our oft injured #5 starter, John Lackey, 19mil a year for 11 wins and plenty of complaining per season. And where the heck am I gonna stick that Walden kid?”
If this is our situation 3 or 4 years from now all you Big John Koolaid drinkers are gonna despise that 5 year deal we gave him.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Nov 23, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude, when did nostradamus become a halos fan?
personally, tho, i rather not go all out on lackey or bay right now.
isn’t next years fa class supposed to be pretty good?
"it's mind-bottling."
by retrohalo on Nov 23, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2011 Free Agent Class List:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/2011-mlb-free-agents.html
Who knows how many won’t make it to FA by signing deals. My guesses are Joe Mauer, Victor Martinez, Albert Pujols, Derek Jeter, Jimmy Rollins, Jose Reyes, Aramis Ramirez, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Mariano Rivera. All those guys seem thrilled to be where they’re at with the exception of Halladay. I’m guessing Halladay will be traded and signed long term. There are still some premuim guys out there after those guys like Lance Berkman, Garrett Atkins, Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, Manny Ramirez, Brad Hawpe, David Ortiz, Bronson Arroyo, Joe Blanton, Josh Beckett, Matt Cain, Aaron Harang, Kevin Millwood, Brandon Webb, Chris Young, Huston Street, Scot Shields, Jeremy Affeldt.
Of those, I’m interested in a Halladay trade. Berkman for DH or 1st base if the Angels elect to move Kendry to the outfield. Obviously Crawford, and Dunn.Beckett, Cain, Webb, Young, Street, Shields, and Affeldt all peak my interest. Afterall, Fuentes will be a FA too, meaning we’ll have the closer role open again. Hopefully it’s Street. Bringing in Affeldt for Darren Oliver who will likely only pitch for two more seasons max. Shields is a must have guy… he’s been the glue for years, bridging the 7th to the 9th. Hopefully he bounces back healthy this season.
I have no clue how much the Angels will be shopping in the 2011 class or how much money they’ll have, but I love pitching and I think you can never have enough. That’s something I would want the Angels to invest in. Scioscia can manufacture runs when he needs to, I have a little faith.
by matt92130 on Nov 23, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We can replace Lackey
with two 5 1/2 – 4 pitchers for a lot cheaper.
(for you longtime fans out there)
What we've got can't be bought
by rspencer on Nov 23, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hi Buzzy!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 23, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buzzy never learned his own lesson.
Four 2.75 win / 2 loss pitchers would be even cheaper!
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Nov 23, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the question
The question is, do you want Lackey in 2014, in your rotation at age 35 and making $18M to $20M while doing it?
Again, it isn’t about liking or not liking Lackey, or whether or not we’d want him in the rotation next year. It is about how long a deal for him should be, and for how much guaranteed money. His agent has indicated Lackey should have a deal like Burnett. There is no proof that Burnett himself is worth that deal, and no reason to believe that Lackey is any more deserving.
If that is his goal, then this team has other options.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 24, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the same thread
as what I read last year?
Only the names have changed….
If John leaves, I’m sure Tony has other plans. He’s proven (to me at least) that he’s a pretty sharp and shrewd GM. Let him do his job.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Nov 24, 2009 6:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
John needs to stay
I wrote an open letter to John Lackey in my blog 11/20:
http://truegrich.blogspot.com/2009/11/dear-john-open-letter-to-john-lackey.html
The mere idea of him wearing pinstripes or Red Sox colors is just something I couldn’t tolerate.
by True Grich on Nov 24, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From what I get , we would all love to have John Lackey back,but like Vlad,it will depend on the price tag…
I love watching big John pitch,but he has been injured a little the last few years so that is a concern…
If he was willing to take 13-15 million a year (a million per win basically) maybe we could have him back….but…
when Yankees sign AJ burnetts and Andy Pettittes then it drives the price tag for these guys up…. It is unfortunate,I have no quarrels with the Yanks,but they drive the market for these players up so high that only a few teams can sign them anyhow,
I suspect big John wants a Torrii Hunter like deal,can’t really blame him,it is just a matter of are the Angels going to pay it,let the big guy walk or try and get…….Halladay in a trade.
by raven191 on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
From what I get , we would all love to have John Lackey back,but like Vlad,it will depend on the price tag…
I haven’t seen anyone here who is anti-Lackey, but simply those who believe in some sense of financial prudence, perhaps concerned that Lackey can’t live up to a 5-year deal the size of what he is reported to be seeking.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 25, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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