Vladdy Autograph Signing
by imyhero on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST
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This Saturday, November 7th, Angels icon Vladimir Guerrero will be signing autographs at the OC Dugout store. Vlad will appear from 12 noon until 1 pm, possibly later. Anyone who arrives by 1 pm will be guaranteed that their item(s) get signed. Autograph prices are $69.99 for small items, $99.99 for large items - Cash Only.
(wow, will a representative of the IRS be on hand?)
In addition, Vlad will be giving away a personal bat of his own (which he will sign personally for the winner) plus more autographed items. Feel free to forward this email and information to as many people as you think might be interested - Vlad will stay as long as possible so that everyone gets their autographs.
This is Vlad's 1st public appearance in over 3 years.
OC Dugout is at Hobby City - 1238 S. Beach Boulevard - Anaheim
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Co*k Tease....
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy your free advertising on Halos Heaven for your expensive autographs while it lasts.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jeez....Vlad
I can’t say it surprises me. For someone who I have only seen sign autographs at a game one time. Did Torii and Figgy charge the fans when they signed in the summer (Torii at Living Spaces and Figgy at Costco) ???
Despite his smile and seemingly easygoing nature Vlad is not the most fan-friendly of players. I think alot of folks on this site would agree. Vlad only cares about what is good for HIMSELF. Okay, I’ll add his mother as well. HE wants to stay in Anaheim etc. Well, what about what the ANGELS want. What about what’s good for the team etc. With Vlad it is not about the team or the fans, it is about HIM.
Go take your greedy broken-down ass to some non-contending team. Goodbye.
by Jack Frost on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a rip
I guess my kids will have to break their piggy banks to see the players they love.
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
by SalmonStream on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A Topic near and dear to me. While Vladdy is a great guy for PR and is a great teammate, player, and stays out of trouble. When it comes to signing autographs for Angels fans and particularly…small children, this guy is a GREEDY DICK !
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a shock
that everyone would jump in to call him greedy. Back when I was a kid and actually gave a damn about autographs, I used to say the same thing.
Think about this scenario for a second: Vlad agrees to appear for one hour for FREE autographs, and everyone who shows up within that hour is assured to get at least one item signed. It would be an absolute out-of-control madhouse, Vlad would be stuck there all day, and more people than not are going to wind up disappointed. Not to mention that a huge chunk of the autograph seekers are going to turn right around and hock that ball/bat/jersey on ebay to make a nice little profit. Like it our not, that man’s signature has value. If he wants to just give away free autographs out of the goodness of his heart, it would be of the understanding that he wouldn’t be doing it for real fans, but for people looking to make a buck.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that any of you in the same position would handle it any differently.
by dmhead on Nov 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Torii and Figgi did just that a few months ago (free autographs).
Bottom line, OC Dugout needs to pay Vladdy for THEIR promo to offer free autographs.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 3, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It does'nt seem appropriate for a player to charge for autographs while he is an active player of a team
If he is an unsigned free agent or has retired then fine, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Does this indicate Vlad is no longer an Angel?
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 3, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad
Come this Saturday, he will not be an active player for any team. He’ll be a free agent.
by PitPerc on Nov 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he will be wearing an Angels jersey though.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would keep the free autograph for myself
I also never advocate selling tickets above face. Some of us do have principles when it comes to this stuff.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which commandment do I violate by reselling tickets?
I do not go to free auto sessions to re-sell them, BTW.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personal principle
Resell tix, yeah. Getting more than you paid for them: not cool to me.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....dmhead
It is true that there certainly would be some people trying to sell their stuff, it is not like ALL the fans getting stuff signed by Vlad would turn around and sell it. When was the last time you saw a 6 yr old kid get an autograph of one of his favorite players and then try to sell it??
The explosion of the collectible industry in the early 90’s did increase the concern of many players that their autographs would be sold etc, but this simply comes with the territory. If Vlad was KNOWN to be a fan-friendly player who signs before games alot I don’t think people here would be complaining. It is exactly because he is KNOWN NOT TO BE FAN FRIENDLY that folks are complaining.
This event just reinforces an already negative perception. Of course there are other star players who don’t sign, and that is their prerogative. For me, it is the contrast between the smiling easy-going nature and this behavior that bothers me. It strikes me as hypocritical. Somehow if he were just sullen and aloof it wouldn’t be as bad. Just my perception.
You are right dmhead that he is not obligated to give his autograph away for free. But if he doesn’t want to then it is better not to do a signing at all. Instead, he chooses to fleece the very fans who have supported him here for 6 long years. NOT good.
by Jack Frost on Nov 3, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No surprise...
Vlad signed at Elmore Toyota the first year he was with the Angels… the line went around the dealership and down Beach Blvd. Not everyone got an autograph… I guess if you pay, you’re guaranteed and that’s not too bad.
I recently blogged about how we Angels fans never really got a chance to know Vladdy.
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Those are insane prices for an autograph. How about if you bring in your own item to have signed. When I was a kid I never paid a penny for an autograph and never would. At those prices he better be signing $100 bills.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Nov 3, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 3, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the good old days.
I don’t care about autographs anymore. Since the days of self-addressed stamped envelopes are over. My son got Tim Salmon’s autograph at the stadium a few years ago. That was the first autograph in this household since Wally Joyner and Johnny Ray gave me theirs when I was a kid. I sure as hell ain’t gonna pay for one.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 3, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You managed to get Wally?
I stalked him every spring training, and regular season game I ever went to, and he always eluded me.
It became a way for me and brothers to get other kids out of our way for other players. We’d spark up a rumor, “Wally Joyner is signing at gate 7!” Half the crowd would race away, and we’d get Brian Downing or Doug Decinces or whoever.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 3, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is so awesome!
I wish I had thought of that one.
I only got Joyner and Johnny Ray. Never got anyone else. Guess Joyner would be the one to get back then though. My son only has gotten Tim Salmon. I guess if that’s all we are/were to get, those are good ones to have.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
by Monkeyspanked on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we were crafty.
Man, I can’t even list everyone I got. My favorites of the old ones are Tony Gwynn, Paul Molitor, Dave Winfield, Jim Abbott, Jose Canseco, Brian Downing, and Dick Schofield. More recently I got John Lackey, Jarrod Washburn, Jose Molina, Ben Weber (double pump!), Aaron Sele, Scott Shields…I think that’s it. They’re all on a ball I caught at spring training in ’03.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 5, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IMO....
it baffles me that a grown-man would complain about another grown man not stopping by and signing a ball for him. Give me a break.
Also, I think maybe you should brush up on your Spanish…you would discover that Vlad is actually extremely eloquent. Imagine if you were working in a foreign country, knew the language to a certain extent, but had to speak in front of 50,000 people. HMMM….what language would you prefer using….???
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You missed something
I never complained that Vlad didn’t stop and sign something for me.
As for the language thing… Ervin Santana makes the effort. Lots of Spanish speaking ball players make the effort and I appreciate it. Vlad never did… right or wrong – it’s just an observation and as a result, we hardly know him.
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its such a narrow way of looking at things...
Think about the diversity of Southern California/Angel fanbase and the extent that is spanish-speaking. To you, when Vlad speaks in Spanish it is somehow alienating but imagine how awesome it is for the spanish-speaking fanbase.
Without getting into some sort of narrow-sighted,
this is America, speak English!argument, I think the Angels are a very diverse team going all the way up to the owner of the team. If anything Vlad speaking spanish is a testament to the team’s diversity and the diversity of their fanbase.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 3, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's MUCH more than that...
He’s just never been as Jack Frost puts it… “fan friendly.” I know a lot of people could care less about that, but I do. Vlad has spent the last six years basically ignoring fans. I’m not saying he’s a bad person. In fact, he’s done incredible things for his homeland, creating businesses that employ people, etc.
I’m just saying – it’s very disappointing that we didn’t have a chance to get to know him on some level – outside of the box score. It’s a shame. That’s all. I’m not looking to linch him or run him out of town…
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard
he actually speaks English okay, but he’s shy to try on camera in front of America.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 3, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he speaks English FLUENTLY....it's his act so he doesn't have to talk to fans
by ladybug on Nov 4, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm,
And how do we know this?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 5, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$15 million this year was not enough?
figgy and Torii signed for free during the season. They were gracious and signed whatever was put in front of them. They even posed for pictures. I guess Vladdy knows he’s getting a pay cut.
I must say I’m offended.
by bearnut on Nov 3, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was my impression as well
$15m/ year and you are charging for autographs? Really?
by Ajax on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's trying to gain more profit
in anticipation of a huge paycut this coming season
by ryanfea on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure Vlad is even pocketing this?
I bet the store gets about a 95% cut.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've made my decision...
It’s time to let Vlad walk.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Nov 3, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why bother at this point? He's gone.
What an embarrassment. Vlad never gave a sh*t about the fans.
Recently I saw Charlie Hustle sitting alone counting his money at a table in the window of a sports memorabilia store in Vegas. Pathetic. But at least he needs the money.
by RER on Nov 3, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vlad DOES care about the fans
Remember when he hit his 400th and there was a fan with a sign that said 400 on it? Yeah. He signed that.
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 3, 2009 8:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Man, all of you bitch so much...
As much of Vlad avoids the spotlight and signing autographs, you should all be thankful that his face is appearing weekly in the tabloids like A-Roid. So he is a private,quiet guy. WHO CARES. No one is bitching about Quinlan not appearing on ESPN.
But, BHARV! No one cares about Quinlan!
Exactly. Just because Vlad is a badass baseball player, so many of you suddenly expect him to give interviews and sign autographs and come over and wipe your baby’s ass. He gets paid to perform. Not sign baseballs. And I think for his time as an Angel hes done a damn good job at it.
The price of the autographs are obviously to keep the size of the crowd down. Its also to add worth to his signature. Welcome to capitalism. Think about it this way. What if the company you worked for asked you to take a saturday and go give a one-hour presentation on the company…for free. You’d be pissed. You’d expect compensation.
It doesnt matter how much of a millionaire he is…we should be glad when any ballplayer takes the time to spend some of their life with the fans. 60 bucks or not.
Plus, it should be mentioned, that when Figgy or Torii do autograph signings, SOMEONE is paying them. I doubt they are there completely free.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
correction: ISNT appearing in weekly tabloids....
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
Assuming he is signing for a full 60 min, he can sign three objects per minute (allowing for the line to move, money to change hands, etc), and that 2/3 are the cheaper $70 items, that comes to a total of less than $15,000 for the hour. It stands to reason that Hunter and Figgins were paid at least $15K to stand in Costco or Living Spaces for an hour to sign autographs “for free”.
It also stands to reason that for every wide-eyed kid who wants his hero’s signature, there are a dozen who want that same signature to value-enhance a baseball, bat, card or other object, for which that same person intends to re-sell for a large profit, perhaps some years later if Vlad makes HoF (for example). This isn’t a meeting of the fans, this is simply a moment of commerce.
After all, what is a signature worth? If your name is “Rod Carew”, it takes an ordinary baseball and makes it cost $260 for any of three different signature schemes. Even Scott Kazmir—whose career isn’t anywhere near as storied as Guerrero’s—is fetching about $120 for his sig on a ball. What do you imagine he was paid for each of those autographs?
If you fancy a signed ball from A-Rod or Jeter, that will set you back $500. A Dustin Pedroia autographed helmet is about $350, a Jason Varitek jersey (!) is $600.
In that light, there is nothing to bitch about. If Kazmir gets $120 for a signed ball, then $70 to get Vlad’s name on an otherwise plain baseball is a damn steal.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 3, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great Opportunity
Even though this signing is not free, I think it’s a great opportunity for an Angels fan to meet and have Vladdy sign an item. In regards to other Angels who have signed at Costco, phone stores, or dairy queens, they were compensated in some way, shape or form. They would not have done it for free. It must of been a team obligation for a sponsor.
Considering that this is one of a few signings that he has done, the price is good. Have you seen what the guy at Angel stadium charges for a Vladdy ball or bat? A ball is $250+ and a bat is $500+.
I travel around to several autograph signings around the world and for a baseball player of Vladdy’s caliber this is a great opportunity to have this future hall of famer sign my stuff.
by bulldogs011 on Nov 3, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why all the Vlad Hate?
Why should anyone give any of us anything for free?
Are people bitching about Arte not giving them free tickets to the games? That would make more sense than the hate expressed here.
Complainer #1: I want Vlad to manufacture currency and increase the value of this $80 jersey to being worth $300 by signing it. I am a fan and am entitled to this.
Complainer #2: I am a big Angels fan and Arte should give me a free ticket to the cheap seats if the game does no sell out. HE is a billionaire after all.
For some reason we are conditioned to think the gripe of #1 is more legitimate than the gripe of #2 despite the disparity in the worth of an autographed item versus a measly ticket.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 3, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Right.
We obviously hold people who are wealthy and a celebrity to a different standard.
I can see arguements either way but just because Vladdy is a millionaire isn’t enough for me to suddenly chastise him as greedy.
Hate the game(capitalism), not the player.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 3, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Some of us still live in a world where an autograph means something personal, from player to fan.
I was stoked when Luis Polonia signed a card for me. I still have that. Obviously a pack of gum is probably worth more than that, but to me, its pretty cool.
Seeing a price tag on something that is looked at (whether right or wrong) as a bond between the player and fan, can be considered a slap in the face. The fact that other players do this for free, also, doesn’t help.
The backlash isn’t really surprising, but, I really don’t care as long as he comes back in Angels red.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 3, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares! If you don’t like it then don’t go. This is nothing new from athletes.
by vladfan on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Have you guys seen what Steiner charges? OMG…
Take a guess how much A-ROID costs…
by bulldogs011 on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Two wrongs don't make a right
I have never paid for an autograph in my life and wouldn’t. To me this is ridiculous.
The autograph industry is the biggest scam. I am including players who charge as well as the scum collectibles dealers who sell forged stuff etc.
You can argue that it is merely capitalism and if someone is willing to pay it than it is okay. If the signature is authentic and someone willingly pays a price, then indeed, you would be right. I still think it is the biggest rip-off. The resale market for autographed items (particularly personalized stuff) tends to be pretty bad. It’s a joke. I mean, someone writes their name on a picture or piece of paper and that is supposed to be worth $300.00 or $500.00? You’ve got to be kidding me!
Because literally hundreds of baseball players and pro athletes in GENERAL do sign for free, it makes those who charge look greedy. And in fact they ARE. Unlike Rev.‘s example of Arte and free tickets, players make their living by playing ball — most of them make so much for doing that that they DON’T NEED the money they make from autographs. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK PETTY AND GREEDY! It doesn’t really bother me that the underpaid starts of yesteryear want to charge for autographs. That doesn’t bother me, really. Some of them need it to pay their rent. It may sound like a double standard, maybe it is…
Arte’s primary business is selling baseball as entertainment. I don’t think any of us expect him to give us free tickets. Vlad, on the other hand makes millions to hit a baseball. We are not asking him to play for free, but rather, as a service to the fans WHO PAY HIS SALARY, to sign a few autographs without charging out the ass for it. That’s all.
by Jack Frost on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
The networks pay the owners FAR MORE than the fans do. Ticket sales and stadium purchases are the profit, the revenue from TV is what pays the player salaries. We DON’T pay the players, but we DO pay the owners.
And NO, I AM NOT KIDDING YOU, some people when they autograph a piece of paper it is worth hundreds of dollars. You can act outraged, but it IS a fact, no matter how bizarre it seems … it REALLY happens every day.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be fair to say...
We pay the owners, who pay the players?
If there is no fan base, there is no owner, and there is no player.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It still comes back to the fans...
We not only go to games, buy merchandise, etc. we also watch TV. The ratings are all about us. We watch the ads, we buy the products. No fans, no game.
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
While the Lion’s Share of owners revenue may come from the TV contract, it is nonetheless true that We the Fans DO indeed put money in the owners pocket. If this money goes in the same pockets as the TV dollars, isn’t it at very least true that we CONTRIBUTE to the players’ salaries. I am not familiar with how MLB owners do their accounting, but it seems improbable that they would ONLY pay players with TV money and then keep stadium revenues (tickets, concessions, etc.)
by Jack Frost on Nov 3, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about reply below, must have hit wrong button....
Anyway Rev, we know that the big market teams like the Yanks take the Lions Share of their revenue from the TV contracts. This being said, it seems improbable that the owners would separate this money from the stadium revenues (tickets, food, concessions, etc..) and then ONLY PAY PLAYERS with TV money. This seems unlikely. I would however concede that you are more informed on these kinds of things so would take your word for it if you said that is how it is done. I would be surprised though.
In any case, I think it is fair to say the we fans HELP to PAY PLAYER SALARIES because in addition, we are the ONES WHO WATCH THE GAMES ON TV and therefore we are responsible for the TV contracts to begin with. The simple fact is, WITH NO FANS THERE IS NO GAME. No huge player contracts etc. I think the players should always remember this; indeed, I think many of them do — Torii Hunter among others comes to mind.
As for my argument about AUTOGRAPHS in general. I think it is great when a kid gets a balled signed by one of his heroes — it means alot and in some way inspires them. It fuels there own dreams. I don’t deny that. But I think the experience of that same kid RECEIVING the autograph as a GIFT is alot different than having to pay for it. I think we could agree on that much….
And of course, I know that people DO pay those ridiculous prices for autographs. What did P.T. Barnum say? “There’s a Sucker Born Every Minute.”
The question is, Rev., do you count yourself as one of those suckers? I don’t think you would. And my guess is, knowing you a little bit, is that YOU wouldn’t pay $300.00 for an autograph.
by Jack Frost on Nov 3, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if the autograph was "Picasso"
you see, one man’s scribble is another man’s masterpiece and one man’s autographed bat is anouther man’s pride and joy.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is where you are failing to understand
We are not asking him to play for free, but rather, as a service to the fans WHO PAY HIS SALARY, to sign a few autographs without charging out the ass for it. That’s all.
Aside from the obvious—he owes you nothing but his absolute best on the playing field—he isn’t signing programs or scraps of paper, but objects, items which are more than likely to be re-sold later. This is commerce, not an autograph session.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But why won't he give us an autograph session as a thanks to the fans?
That’s not really my position, but I can understand it.
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 4, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If so, then how would one set that up?
One hour? Two hours? If a fan stands in line for two hours but time is up after 90 min, then he gets nothing?
That’s why autograph signings—the pure, old fashioned “sign my program, please” type—are best done on an ad hoc basis with no expectation of receiving anything. As soon as someone tries to organize something, then the logistics and expectations both become too complicated.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 4, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be that hard....
The vendor could simply say “Vlad will be signing for one hour from 3pm to 4pm” and that’s it. Assuming the player would be willing to do it the vendor would get the benefit of all the free traffic in their store. The vendor could say that people are allowed to line-up one hour prior and that the player will sign for only one hour. Period. It’s not that hard to fathom. If some people didn’t get their item signed it is because they did not get in line early enough; that’s their fault not the players etc..
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I DISAGREE
A free session only opens a can of worms with resentment and hostility of those who did not get in line – and what if you get there with an hour to spare and the line is a mile long? You can bet those people blame Vlad for not signing for more than an hour than they blame themselves for not being hardcore enough fans to be there early enough.
Charging a price simply puts a price on how much you want this.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bing! Bing! Bing!
We have a winner!
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And.....
you’ve simply replaced one group of disgruntled fans with another group Rev.
What makes you think that the number of fans that would “blame Vlad” for not signing long enough would be greater than the fans who are pissed off about having to pay $69.00 for his autograph?
Clearly, there are a number of people on this site who aren’t crazy about the idea. In either case there are going to be unhappy fans.
Maybe the way to avoid this is for the team to sponsor more “autograph” days and to limit the player in uniform signings to these events. I’m sure you’d be opening a different can of worms with the MLB players union, but your suggestion Rev. that charging solves everything is an oversimplification.
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try to understand
What makes you think that the number of fans that would "blame Vlad" for not signing long enough would be greater than the fans who are pissed off about having to pay $69.00 for his autograph?
The people who will be showing up to pay $70 or $100 to have Vlad autograph an object are not the “fans”, not the little freckle-faced boys who sleep with their oiled infielder’s mitt between the mattress and boxspring to try and break it in before next April.
Vlad will be signing for a roomful of businesspeople.
You’re continuing to attempt to blur together two disparate groups of people. “Fans” would take an autograph and cherish it forever. Businesspeople will be placing their treasure on eBay or a similar venue within days to years of this event.
BTW, the Angels do arrange autograph opportunities during the season (especially on off-days), frequently to promote a charity, because it casts a favorable light on the team as well. In situations like this, one is apt to find second- and third-tier players like Shields, Quinlan and Moseley. The participation is purely voluntary, which doesn’t help you if you’re seeking to compel Vlad Guerrero into appearing for your personal pleasure.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
that ALL the people showing up to pay for an autograph are “businesspeople”. I’m not “blurring” anything. Sure, a good number of those folks will probably turn around and try to to sell stuff. But I would venture to say that a majority are simply Angels fans who love Vlad and their team and will enjoy looking at their signed picture , bat or ball day after day. That is why most fans seek autographs.
By the way, to my knowledge no one is forcing Vlad to do this signing. IF he didn’t like the idea of some folks re-selling his autograph then simply don’t sign. He wouldn’t be the first player to take this stance.
You might argue that he would draw criticism for this stance, but hasn’t he alreadybeen getting negative feedback for his relative inaccessibility? Certainly alot of folks here have expressed displeasure with his lack of contact with fans, so by not signing at all he probably wouldn’t be doing any worse. To me his signing for $$$ is worse than not signing at all. As a player, I’d think that signing before or after games on a limited basis is a great gesture. Some of those receiving autographs may turn around and sell it. So what? At least I as a player can feel good about not charging the large part of the fanbase (kids from say age 5-11 yrs) who likely will not turn around and sell my autograph — they’ll treasure it and it will mean something to them. This is obviously the part you’re missing.
You attempted to turn the entire discussion into a cold business proposition. There is more to life than that.
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would add George, that despite the fact
that some fans are willing to pay $70.00 for Vlad’s autograph does not make it okay to charge them that much. Of course this is not a black and white issue. I realize that this is a discussion in which there is not a “right” answer. I simply have my opinion and you have yours.
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this bears repeating
Guerrero owes you nothing but his best on the playing field.
His performance between the lines is all that matters. Otherwise, he could be JD Salinger and it wouldn’t matter.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 5, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you are talking about...
RE:
The people who will be showing up to pay $70 or $100 to have Vlad autograph an object are not the "fans", not the little freckle-faced boys who sleep with their oiled infielder’s mitt between the mattress and boxspring to try and break it in before next April.
my kids are going to be with me.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Are they bringing their own $70 each?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 5, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The kids are only considered fans if they earn that $70 themselves?
Downing Rules isn’t the only one you’ve confused.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 6, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, George thought that everyone needed $70 to get into see Vlad...
not true. I paid one $70 fee and me and my two kids were granted entrance.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I got that
I just meant that their freckled-facededness wasn’t enough to get them a sig. This is the day and age we live in with stars. Some of the big stars go around with an entourage to keep the “little people” at bay, others simply decline or ignore requests.
It would be ample currency to get a sig from Quinlan, for example, or Brandon Wood, but not from a Lackey or Guerrero.
I am very pleased your kids had a great time and got to see a hero close-up. Wish I could have been there, too.
BTW, what did you have signed?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you are cynical. My husband will be there tomorrow with one baseball and $70,
and that ball will not be for sale during his lifetime. He’s tickled to death that he got Saunders to sign a ball this season. I was tickled that Dino Ebel signed one for me a couple of years ago.
What makes you think that the only fans are little freckle-faced boys?
(he waited until the kids around him all had gotten their baseballs signed before he asked for one.)
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you
I don’t think you will be in the majority with your intention towards your prize, but I hope you have a great time. I’d be there if I could.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I no longer have my Vlad signed ball.
No, I didn’t sell it. Gave it to my ballplaying 16 year old nephew as a b-day present a few years back.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 6, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't read Vlad's autograph on the baseball he signed.
So I went to the backyard and tossed the ball around.
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Nov 6, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will probably pay
I don’t mind paying for something I really want.
by True Grich on Nov 3, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are handshakes free?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 3, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, those go for around $20. A "high five" runs on the average $10.
But a player will give you a dirty glance for only $3.50. A real bargain!
by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scioscia will give you an icy stare for free
Just get picked off first base.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vladdy USED to sign for free
when he first got here. UNTIL his cousins told him how much his autos were going for on ebay. THAT’S when he stopped signing at the stadium. I have a bunch of stuff that is signed by him.
And Vladdy didn’t set the price of the auto— the DUGOUT did, after they figured out how much money they wanted to make ON TOP of what they paid Vladdy for his appearance fee. I would bet half of that $70 or $100 goes to Vladdy and the other half to the store for each auto.
by pattimelt on Nov 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He also used to chat with the fans
I tried out my gringo spanish on him a number of times (’04, ’05) and he always was happy to chat en español. He does speak a little English, by the way. By ’06, I think he just decided to start focusing on getting game ready and who can fault him watching him limp around.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point...
how the heck are baseball card stores even staying in business, nowadays?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 3, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You assume that they are staying in business. For the most part, they aren't.
Unless you count having an eBay “store”.
Rest in piece Nick, Courtney, and Henry. To the 2009 Angels: I love you all. Thanks for a ride every bit as enjoyable and entertaining as 2002.
by AlanFalcon on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too steep. I'll just stake out the Walmart instead.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One fellow here posted ...
that he met Vlad in BevMo! near Anaheim Hills some time last season. Classic.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The response absolutely astonishes me
Does anyone think that Derek or Alex make appearances and sign autographs for free? I have been at the ball park trying to get autographs and stood behind yahoos with boxes of baseball cards that they were getting autographed — for free — and then putting them in plastic and putting price tags on them RIGHT THERE.
Be upset that it’s a business, but so sad, too bad — it is. I’m so tired of the “when I was a kid, they did it for free” mantra. Well, when I was a kid, my parents bought a house in Orange for $12,500. It’s a different world people. These things have value and even you would never sell, your kids might or the person who digs it out of the trash after your wife throws it out will or in the next economic downturn, maybe even you will be tempted to put it on Ebay.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Nov 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But Derek and Alex are douchebags.
wait a minute!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 3, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see Vlad going out into the community again...
I was not aware that his signings were that rare.
I got four Vlad autos via ebay a few years ago. They are the “on-card from the manufacturer” type and not “I got this at spring training” whack jobs. I spent anywhere from $20 to $40 for each of the four cards.
Think about it folks, a $20 baseball signed for $69.99 suddenly takes on a $250 value. That is a bargain. I am not sure what all the ruckus is here in this thread, but the charging makes perfect sense to me and filters out a lot of people who really don’t need to be in the line. I wanted a Vlad auto’d baseball and might just make this trek.
For a bargain, go to ebay and pick up a few Vlad autos, like I did. Heck the Garret Anderson cards are still under $5 with autographs.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 3, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised by all of you who got a Salmon autograph.
My sister always waited for autographs, Salmon gave my nephew a worn-out batting glove. No way to prove it was his, but precious to the receiver.
She loved Chuck Finley, was always annoyed by his wife/GF telling him to hurry up when she wanted him to sign something for her kids. Twanney, what a piece of work. I was not surprised when the news told me of her arrest.
Who goofed? I've got to know.
by hittheg on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I met her, Tawny Kittaen.
She IS a piece of work. I worked seasonal at a store in Costa Mesa, across from the mall, and she wanted to buy a bunch of stuff and didn’t have a credit card or driver’s license on her, but she had her checkbook. When I asked for ID she asked me in astonished voice, “Don’t you know who I am?”
I had no clue who she was, but the guys I worked with did.
The check she used said Chuck Finley on it, and the penny dropped.
This was about a year after they split up. She looked like heck.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The correct response to "Don't you know who I am?"
Is to loudly announce to everyone in earshot:
“Can someone please tell this person who she is? She doesn’t know!”
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 4, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, if you did that, she'd probably try to beat you with a spike heel
(Didn’t she do that to Chuck?)
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 4, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, she did.
And your previous comment made me laugh out loud.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 6, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT DEAL
I have gone to local shows for the past 20 years and this is a GREAT price for a player like this!
by bulldogs011 on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not blaming Vlad for requiring money for autographs
It’s a byproduct of the system. A very shitty in fact.
Vlad and my love for the man aside, I think it’s disgusting that multi-millionaires do this kind of thing (ie: ripping off the little guy) quite frequently. Whether it be the CEO of an international conglomerate cancelling all his employees 401ks just so he can sell his stock a little higher, or something like charging people $70 for a pen marking. That’s a lot of money to people like me.
I wish there wasn’t an insane mark up market for this kind of thing, but that’s how it is. I wish others had the intention just to show up early, camp out, get their free autograph, and just have a nice piece of memorabilia for themselves.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit!
Vlad not speaking English is lazy as fuck! He signed autographs a couple times over for my cousins, so I have no complaints there, but the communication thing is bullshit. I blame it on his time in Canada.
by Funke5ive on Nov 5, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blame it on Canada!
;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong
I can’t believe I am about to do this but after reading some of these comments I feel compelled to respond. I have known Vlad for many years and to read some of these remarks I have to set the record straight. After reading the above comments some of you people couldn’t be more wrong. I would first like to address the remark that Vlad never gave a shit about the fans, this is just false. Vlad is one of the hardest working most driven players on the roster. You won’t find a guy one the team who wants to win and gives more than vladdy does. He put a 110% of himself on the field everyday. He does it for the love of the game and for the fans. Vlad is not one of these players that is out partying it up after the games. he is not out seeking attention and fame he is at home with his family a very large family the he solely supports. If anyone of you had the chance to spend 5 mins with him you would meet a kind, humble and SHY man who is generous to a fault and always wants to do his best and help they Angels get as far as they can. To those of you who claim Vlad doesn’t sign autographs, wrong again. Vlad on his off time will sit down and sign balls and baseball cards that he has passed out to kids outside the players parking lot after games. Vladimir has done amazing things for charity and was one of the first MLB player to donate money after hurricane Katrina.
sbnation.com/account/confirm/Rwx73sJQ There are just too many things to list that Vlad has done over the years for charity. I don’t even know why I am defending him he needs no defense. I really am only hear to set the record straight when it comes to this gentle giant. if you ever have the chance to speak to Vlad and you don’t speak Spanish that is OK because he does speak English. Like I said before he is very shy and contiguous but he will do his very best like he does with everything else to answer you. I think it is very sad for some of you who do not know this man or what he is about to attack him when you have no basis to do so. Vlad is now a free agent and I don’t know if he will be returning to the Team next year…but if he does we would be lucky to have him! You won’t find a guy who loves and appreciate baseball like Vladdy does.
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know why it bothers some people tha Vlad isn't a media whore
It makes me respect the man even more that he isn’t.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post...
I think people are going to complain no matter what in this case. He simply cannot sign for EVERYONE. That’s my take. I am going to save my pennies and pony up the cash and meet him face-to-face Saturday. I am excited. I went to the “freebies” earlier and was turned away from both Torii and Chone’s “free” signings. So, this time, I am going to pay to make sure I get an auto and to give my thanks to a great player who has represented our franchise so well for the past six years.
I am sure that Vlad is aware he is very much appreciated by the fans here in Anaheim. He is Halos Heaven’s #2 “all-time Angel” and career-Angel Tim Salmon barely edges him out simply due to service time (1992 to 2006 versus 2004 to 2009) and a clutch performance in the 2002 World Series win. Vlad would be a clear-cut number one on our poll if he had led us to a World Series title.
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ejacobs....
First, let me say that I do respect the incredible baseball talents of Vlad Guerrero. I think he was born to hit a baseball and he truly possesses a rare gift in that regard. I don’t think in all of my years of watching Angels baseball that I have seen anyone the ball as hard and as consistently as Vladimir Guerrero.
That being said, I have to say that the heartbreak Vlad has given me by coming up short in key situations (primarily in the playoffs of 2004, 2005 and 2007) has unfortunately overshadowed many of the joyous moments I have had watching him hit tapemeasure homeruns. Vlad is a Hall of Famer, let me make my position on that clear. But when looking back on his Angel career I will unfortunately be left with the overall impression of someone who despite great, great natural gifts, failed to make the right play when it counted most, and ultimately failed to win a championship. I will add that his postseason performance this season went a long way towards softening this overall negative feeling, but the overall impression for me is still there.
I do not think Vlad is a bad guy. Let me say that as well. I do not think he is a jackass like Barry Bonds. That being said, I also don’t believe that he is the ultimate warrior and team player that you paint him to be. I had to laugh when you talked about him always giving “110%.” Are these the times in the past that he lazily and half-heartedly pursued fly-balls and dropped them (like the 10 errors he committed in 2008), or the numerous times he seemed to be sleeping on the basepaths and got picked off (witness ALCS play where he got thrown out at 1st on a can of corn pop out to OF) , or the times he made costly baserunning blunders like in Game 1 of the 2008 ALDS when he got thrown out overrunning 2nd as the tying run late in the game??/
To me, these plays, and many others, are not emblematic of giving as you say, “110%.” Most managers will tell you that they can forgive physical mistakes on the field, but it is the mental mistakes that really upset them. Vlad has made more of these so-called “mental mistakes” than any Angel I can think of over the last 25 years. I will say that GMJ is approaching him however.
In addition, Vlad has approached RISP situations like an impulsive child, swinging at anything withint three feet of the strikezone. Although he does occasionally come up with a miraculous hit doing this, this behavior and poor plate discipline usually ends up costing the Angels dearly.
Of course, he has accumulated great totals as an Angel. The folks who attack the RBI stat would say it is largely based upon opportunities, and this could be said of Vlad as well.
And even if you are largely forgiving of his weaknesses as a player, Vlad has, for the most part, been a recluse as an Angel. I understand that this is his right, but we fans don’t have to like it either. You say that Vlad isn’t the type to “party.” This is not what I have heard. I won’t say I have personal knowledge, but have talked to people who have reportedly attended his large parties and said he does like to drink rum and have fun. No crime in this, but let’s not paint him to be a choir boy either.
I am aware of the great charitable work he has done in his homeland of the Dominican Republic, and I commend him for this. I am sure he feels very warmly about his countrymen, and that is indeed a good trait to have. I am not saying Vlad doesn’t have a good heart — I believe he does. But like most of us, he certainly has strengths and weaknesses, and like most athletes, the full breadth of the personality is not usually displayed in the media.
Ultimately, I simply do not buy that Vlad is the totally unselfish “team player” that you have painted him as. He behavior on the baseball field just belies that assertion. How many times have you seen Vladdy “give himself up” at the plate so his team could get a runner in from 3b with less than two outs? I can’t remember ever having seen it.
SO, in the end, despite an incredible gift to hit the ball, one unmatched in Angels history, I do not count Vladimir Guerrero as among my four or five favorite Halos. Because, in the end, there is more to baseball than accumulating great stats.
And finally, you say you have “known Vlad for many years,” if this is the case, why would you have to pay for his autograph. Surely he would not charge a good friend for his signature?
As for your statement that l
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That 3:30PM post was mine...not sure how the signals got crossed.
Just imagine “downing rules” there where it says ejacobs on the 3:30PM message. I have notified SBN to fix this anomaly.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's blame Canada.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
I have to say that the heartbreak Vlad has given me by coming up short in key situations (primarily in the playoffs of 2004, 2005 and 2007) has unfortunately overshadowed many of the joyous moments I have had…I will unfortunately be left with the overall impression of someone who despite great, great natural gifts, failed to make the right play when it counted most, and ultimately failed to win a championship….I also don’t believe that he is the ultimate warrior and team player that you paint him to be. I had to laugh when you talked about him always giving "110%." Are these the times in the past that he lazily and half-heartedly pursued fly-balls and dropped them (like the 10 errors he committed in 2008), or the numerous times he seemed to be sleeping on the basepaths and got picked off (witness ALCS play where he got thrown out at 1st on a can of corn pop out to OF) , or the times he made costly baserunning blunders…it is the mental mistakes that really upset them. Vlad has made more of these so-called "mental mistakes" than any Angel I can think of over the last 25 years…Vlad has approached RISP situations like an impulsive child, swinging at anything withint three feet of the strikezone. Although he does occasionally come up with a miraculous hit doing this, this behavior and poor plate discipline usually ends up costing the Angels dearly…Vlad has, for the most part, been a recluse as an Angel. I understand that this is his right, but we fans don’t have to like it either…I simply do not buy that Vlad is the totally unselfish "team player" that you have painted him as. He behavior on the baseball field just belies that assertion… I do not count Vladimir Guerrero as among my four or five favorite Halos.
Sounds like there was no way in hell you would bother to get an autograph of his, even if it was free. That just makes your self-righteousness all the more laughable.
Thanks for the posturing and hypocrisy.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 5, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't Vlad but probably his entourage minus his mother
Dictating his business for him.
You see his buddies/family with him on Saturday and that is who you speak to in order to get near Vlad.
Vlad has actually has been pretty oblivious of the fan interaction – leaves something to be desired, even though he has produced on the field.
I’ll pay the $69.99 if it means getting him at least one more time.
Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?
by BBFan1 on Nov 5, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JACK FROST
I am somewhat confused as the where you read that I would have to pay for an autograph. Why in the world would I do that…like I said I have know Vladdy for years and I have many things signed. I want you to understand this…I was defending Vlad’s character from those that do not know him yet would want to make judgements about him. Calling him lazy, greedy and saying he doesn’t know how to speak English are all of which are lies. He is a shy person,who is humble and soft spoken.. just ask the person who ran into him in Wal-mart about two hours ago.. when the fans asked Vlad how he was, Vlad responded in English, go figure….Why would you bring up What he does in his home after the games when you have never been there? Vlad has a huge family he brings over from the DR with him during the season. His mother also lives with him as do some of his cousins when you refer to the parties and the rum you must be referring to Vlad relaxing with his family and a few friends after the game. My point was he his not out in the streets like some of they guys are. You can think whatever you want about his effort or his skills but I won’t tolerate people attacking who he is as a person…he plays baseball for a living and if you chose to talk about that have fun but attacking him as a person when you don’t know him isn’t fair or right.
Erin
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't think I attacked him as a person
A) I commended him for the chartiable work in the Dominican
B) In addition I said the following:
I’m not saying Vlad doesn’t have a good heart — I believe he does.
C) Multiple times in my post I praised Vlad’s ability as a hitter
I’m not sure where you are getting that I attacked him “as a person.” I indeed did nothing of the sort. What I DID do was attack your representation of him as giving “110%” on the field at all times.
I’ve been watching Vlad since he became an Angel in 2004, and I am sorry, but that is just not my experience of him
As for where I got they idea that you were going to pay for is autograph, maybe it was here:
I am going to save my pennies and pony up the cash and meet him face-to-face Saturday.
Or maybe here;
…..this time, I am going to pay to make sure I get an autograph….
In short, I have no reason to dislike Vlad as a person. Indeed, as I stated above I think he has a good heart. But I think you are confusing my criticism with how he conducts himself in regards to most fans, and the things he does on the field as a player, with who he is as a person. And I don’t need to “know” him personally to see how he conducts himself with fans and on the field — those things are there for anyone to see.
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These are your words, and if you see the post above it was not me who wrote I was going to pay for a signing
Go take your greedy broken-down ass to some non-contending team. Goodbye.
THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK PETTY AND GREEDY.
Those comments look like they are attacking his character to me. By, the way I wasn’t only addressing you. But since you seem to be a cheep ass and don’t want to pay for an autograph please show up tomorrow and I will make sure Vlad signs something for you for free. When you get to the table please introduce yourself Vlad and I would to meet you.
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Please bring your ID so we don’t have a Jack Frost impersonators.
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 6:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I won't be going to the signing, but thanks
Contrary to what you may think I actually don’t dislike Vlad.
CalIing him “greedy” was specifically in the context of that signing. I have said that I don’t think players should charge for autographs. That is my opinion and I won’t apologize for that. All I can say is that if I had been lucky enough to be born with Vlad’s baseball skills I would not charge for my autograph. That certainly is his right, but it is also my right not to agree with it.
Someone posted on this thread yesterday that Vlad used to sign for free, but then changed when his cousins told him how much the stuff goes for on Ebay. If that is true, then I think it is too bad. I don’t think Vlad’s cousins should be trying to influence him like that. As I stated elsewhere, I wouldn’t criticize Vladdy as much if he didn’t sign at all. I could actually understand that.
Perhaps Vlad has been unnecessarily influenced by people around him (not saying that you are one of those). I know Michael Crabtree was getting contract negotiating tips from his cousin or uncle or someone like that — ridiculous.
Anyway, I think my comments yesterday came off sounding harsher than I would have liked. But my initial reaction to the info on the signing was indeed a negative one. I appreciate your offer but it seems like your offer comes more from a place of trying to prove a point than from a genuine desire to give me a gift.
I am sorry if my comments bordered on being too personal for your taste. Because I don’t think he is really a bad guy (as I said above) I wouldn’t want to hurt his or your feelings. Perhaps if I ever did bump into him I would joke with him about his baserunning exploits. I would laugh and say it as good natured teasing. I wouldn’t be as harsh as I have been in this forum.
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for saying that. Vlad is a wonderful person and believe it or not he cares so much about winning. He really does give 110% everyday, he loves playing for the Angels and hope we see him here next year rather than hitting bad balls for the Rangers. The site must have mixed up my name with someone else post at least that is what it says a few post above.
Erin
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, here's the deal:
I just got off the phone with the guy at the OC Dugout Store and I learned several things:
ALL of the money is being paid to Vladdy by the store, after taxes. The store is getting nothing, but the guys who work there have each ordered one baseball each because they want to HAVE one.
And, the bulk of the money is being donated by Vladdy to The Foothill Family Shelter.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 6, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love a happy ending
So much for the judgmental bunch who were calling Guerrero a greedy bastard a few days ago.
Like:
Go take your greedy broken-down ass to some non-contending team. Goodbye.
and
When it comes to signing autographs for Angels fans and particularly…small children, this guy is a GREEDY DICK !
not to mention
What an embarrassment. Vlad never gave a sh*t about the fans.
Thanks for the legwork on this one, Ms. opiejeanne
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to remember the amount being donated, but I think it was 70% of today's take.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 7, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sick and tired of people attacking Vlad Guerrero. If you got a problem with Vlad, then you’re not an Angel fan, because Vlad IS the Angels. He is an exemplary individual, beloved by the fans, a hall of famer and deserving of each every one your’s respect. It is PATHETIC to attack this man who has NEVER disgraced this team in any way, shape or form. Here’s t fo rthe month..FUCK YOU.
by firebird81 on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Firebird,it is called what have you done for me lately ???
This site,as on many other occasions,has been used by several members to just lash out at Vlad and complaing about anything and everything he has done..
So,he may not be very outgoing,maybe is not comfortable all the time…
I judge Vlad on what another poster said- 110 % each time.. He may not look good in the process but he is not going through the motions on a play…That is just a way of picking something out about him…
“He didn’t do anything in the playoffs” in 2004- Well,for being soley the reason we got there and I do remember a grand slam to tie a game 3 up,i guess he didn’t do much..Who on that team did anything ??
Vlad hits the ball as hard and as consistent ans I have ever seen,another post from a member…I couldn’t agree more,while now he cant turn his hands over quick enough on the inside stuff, when he was in his haydays in Montreal and first 4 season in LA,nobody could hit the ball like Guerrero..Maybe a Pujols but I am not sure..Never seen him get cheated,always got the good wood on the ball and if he didnt he was strong enough to muscle it through
Vlad and his charity work speak for themselves..You can call him whatever you want..Yes he is rich,but it was his humble beginnings that make him the quiet man he is today…Just cause he doesnt please you doesnt give you a reason to say hes a cheap,greedy,rude..etc….
I’ll likely never be within 1000 feet of himwhich sucks,but you guys should all be happy you seen him on a daily basis..
As for skill…It is definite that Vlad is no longer the player he use to be..The bat has slowed down,the legs are weak,hes anxious,hes lunging..Well he does eevrything wrong..He still put up good numbers despite what should of been season ending pec surgury…
I don’t know if the Angels resign him,,I think Mike and what Vlad will want salary wise will be a factor…Does his lack of running help the team next year,keep in mind he will prob be 10 pounds fatter then he was this year…
Myself,I have grown to love the Angels,and Guerrero is my guy,but I want 2 see them both do good,I just don’t know if the 2 are meant 2 be together anymore…
by raven191 on Nov 7, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Opie, thank you for setting the record straight. Money is being donated to the Foothill Family Shelter in Upland, CA.
To all of Vlads wonderful fans , We just wanted to thank you for coming out on Saturday to meet with Vlad and get his autograph. To the couple I met that had been there since 4:20 in the morning. It was really nice to meet you and thank you for you dedication to Vlad and the Angels. Vlad wanted to thank everyone for coming out and showing there support. Many of you asked Vlad if he was coming back next year and his answer was honest. He really hopes so…He will not know til around the 17th.
The event was a great success and I loved meeting all of you Angels fans. Thanks for waiting patiently, we were running a few mins. behind. Thanks to OC Dugout for your time and effort you guys did a fantastic job running the event. I look forward to seeing the video you took of Vlad throwing the ball around with a fan!!
Erin
by ejacobs on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
very nice event!
My kids loved seeing Vlad. Thank you to him and to the OC Dugout.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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