Yankees Enjoy Murdoch Steinbrenner Axis
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 8:51 PM PST
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Ratings to the world series were up astronomically this year and the reason given was the presence of the New York Yankees in the Fall Classic.
One does not even have to indict the buffoonish Bud Selig, nor the lords of Baseball. Rupert Murdoch's FOX network, the big beneficiary of the presence of pinstripes, could easily have afforded to purchase the extra few inches of strike zone afforded Andy Pettitte in the ALCS and never missed the money.
Add to this the chance to promote Jay Z and Alicia Keys performing a New York-themed song (what will those kids think up of next?), and a case can be made that the amount of money that comes a network's way is so great that a smidgen of it could easily buy off the piggish Major League Baseball umpires union to ensure that the most profitable team or teams appear.
Only robots will ensure the integrity of the national pastime.
And if this sounds like sour grapes, I am truly envious of that champions cap and wish I could be wearing it with my team's logo on it and so, yeah, it probably is, but if my team had won the series tonight all those happy New Jersey residents partying in the Bronx tonight would be dismissing it anyway, so it is an easy vintage of whine to squeeze, I learned from all of youse in 2002.
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Teixeira just said that he prayed to be on a team that would win the World Series
and God led him to the Yankees.
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by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually hated seeing him get a ring even more than A-Rod
I guess the whole coy act of pretending he would be interested in coming back to the Angels to entice a big offer to shop around to the eastern teams I believe he planned on moving to from day one left a bad taste in my mouth.
by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 4, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F Scott Boras
Much worse than F Scott Fitzgerald.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald?
I think I got drunk at his bar.
by Funke5ive on Nov 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to know that God had nothing better to do than to answer a spoiled millionaire's wish for a ring
I guess Satan cursed his bat to balance things out
Now there's a hole in the sky
And if the ground's not cold
Everything is gonna burn
We'll all take turns, I'll get mine too...
This Rally Monkey's gone to Halos Heaven
by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 4, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst prayer ever
Dear God, please let the team most willing to pay me an annual salary higher than the GDP of Tuvalu also happen to be a team that wins the World Series. I promise I will never ask for anything ever again, unless my Italian supercar needs a new exhaust system. Love, Mark.
Some of us have trouble with the heating bills, dude.
by Suboptimal on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive been praying the same shit for a few years now.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus doesnt give a fuck about your heating bill.
HE WANTS RINNNNNNGS BABYYYYYYY RINNNNNNNNNNNGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him in the clubhouse celebration?
He looked like a real clown with those HUGE ski goggles on.
A Mercenary Clown.
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thus giving a bad name to people of faith everywhere.
What we've got can't be bought
by rspencer on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant comment and excellent signature.
The only magic number now is #34
by Teixeira Who? on Nov 6, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And how ironic his garbled cliched comments quoted in the LA Times (with a touch of bitterness by the writer):
“To the rich go the spoils,” Teixeira said. “George Steinbrenner built an empire. He really did. He deserves to build a great stadium. He deserves to have the best team money can buy.”
I just wanted to slap Tex when I read that this morning.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is just an embarrassment of ignorance.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I laughed, it was so bad.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 5, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet, he gets to flash his ring in our faces, nonetheless.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod hugged selig LOL
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 4, 2009 9:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It is not that the fix is ACTUALLY in.
It’s that modern sports has left the door cracked open enough that many fans WANT TO BELIEVE that the fix is in.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 4, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The last time the Yankees won a WS...
Clinton was in office
(Not that one, the other one).
God needed a starter. RIP #34
by 3rd Echelon on Nov 4, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Won't take but a little stitch-work get replace that nasty "NY" with a nice red "A", right?
Baseball is dead! Long live Baseball!
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 4, 2009 9:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
next season is going to be almost unbearable
the arrogance and entitlement will be at an all time high. major media outlets are celebrating right now.
Chili Davis - the closest thing the MLB got to a real life Pedro Cerrano.
by NW angels Fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least we can get a 66% discount on Angels Division Champions hats!
http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3809176&clickid=body_rv_img
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by AlanFalcon on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now that the playoffs and 09 baseball season is over
A Few Facts:
The ANGELS BEAT THEMSELVES THIS POST-SEASON
The ANGELS GAVE THE YANKEES MORE TROUBLE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE POSTSEASON INCLUDING THE PHILLIES.
Once Again, we lose to the eventual WS Champs.
NEXT SEASON WE WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES (Not Yet a Fact)
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One More Fact:
CAPS LOCKS MAKES WHATEVER YOU SAY 10000000 TIMES MORE INTENSE
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dono, really
With all due respect, why not try italics, bold, or even the sparkling bold italics once in a while to emphasize a point?
I mean, your second and third points are fine, and even your first point is defensible, but it’s rule number one of the intertubes that all caps is considered yelling, and is usually ignored out of hand. I learned that back in the old days of BBSs on CP/M machines at 300 baud.
What we've got can't be bought
by rspencer on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaargh !
lower case it is. it is difficult for i to do but i will break myself of the habit .
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for taking the time to acknowledge that you
are responding to a post you never read.
hahahahahaha
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he read linkbruin's post
you silly Dono
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well in relevant to your post news:
i agree with all your statements here. keepin it real.
in not relevant news:
you make it out to fest 8 last weekend?
R.I.P.N.A.
by TheAngelsAngels on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no
had a hotel full of phisheads. Got a contact high at work walking down the hallways of the inn.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glenn Beck must be an Angel fan
This is the type of tin-foil hat conspiracy logic only seen when a black man is elected to the white house. The better team won fair and square. You are embarrassing yourselves. Have a little dignity.
by mad science on Nov 4, 2009 10:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
From the braggarts who rave about a majority of their title won in the years when African Americans were barred from stomping on Joe DiMaggio’s ass and kicking the living sheist out of Lou “Sauerkraut” Gehrig…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-integrated MLB should not even count.
by ejacobs on Nov 5, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michale Thompson on ESPN Radio was just making this very point a couple of hours ago.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glenn Beck is an attention whore...
he full of conspiracy theories and believes obama is behind it all. And has anyone else seen him fake cry on his show, its fuckin pathetic if you ask me. But pathetic is what you get when you watch fox news…
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm meeester funnyguy
let me guess, Democrats good, Republicans bad. Or is it the other way around. All entertainment value and fake tears aside, Open your eyes brutha. Government, Obama, Bush, or whomever of late are all screwing us.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
most defiantly...
but i doubt anyone wants to hear my conspiracy theories :(
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 7, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll listen and probably agree
but democrat/republican (and I’ve been both), I still loath Glen Beck
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Nov 11, 2009 6:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we'll be prepared when the aliens invade
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How did this thread become a discussion about Glenn Beck?
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQc_TH4iVV8
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Chuckles, I'll admit, that's a funny clip....
And I’ve seen his act before. He’s the biggest and most transparent PHONY on TV.
He’s the Fox/Far Right answer to Keith Olbermann’s prior success. You’re right, the crying thing is pretty funny.
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with him calling out Obama but,
It gets repetitive at times (like R.Munkee and his anti vlad bullshit). Im independent, and Im not really a fan of Obama but his blackboard conspiracy theories are bat shit crazy.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because he’s the ultimate poster boy for Yankees fans
Coddled by the rich & powerful, has an monomaniacal sense of self-importance and publicly cries like a little pussy whenever things don’t go his way.
Now there's a hole in the sky
And if the ground's not cold
Everything is gonna burn
We'll all take turns, I'll get mine too...
This Rally Monkey's gone to Halos Heaven
by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 5, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When Rev Halofan claimed Steinbrenner bought the umps
and the hilarity that was his explanation
by mad science on Nov 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't point that at us. He's more likely a Yankees fan.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 5, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
coming from a poster named mad science
alrighty then.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So can we get matsui to teach the angels how to be clutch during the post season?
Bobby and Hideki, teaching our boys how to play ball. I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is a free agent now.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and old as dirt.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's going back to Japan for his Farewell tour
to play for his old team the Tokyo Yomiuri Giants. Then after retirement become the Manger of that club.
by eyespy on Nov 4, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yanks
The Yanks didn’t win the WS the Mlb won it.
If you know what i mean
by Angelsfan_61 on Nov 4, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL...extra inches? Pettitte had FIVE WALKS.
Not defending the skanks. And in actuality, I think there very well could be some foul-play with the umps. But Rev, lets not get out of hand here.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees Won??
thanks for the update,
I didn’t bother watching because my baseball season ended over a week ago
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
not to mention USC's chances at a nation title :(
hopefully Oregon can show the world that the Pac 10 is more than USC.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my sports world self-imploded in 2 weeks
FML
Go Ducks and Jazz (all I have left until March/April)
I bought game 7 of the 2002 World Series on Monday and have watched the whole thing twice already, I think I have a problem
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jazz?
are you a big karl malone fan or what?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
been a jazz fan forever
it just kind of happened, dunno how or why but once you fall in love with a team that’s the way it is
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch Senor...
brutal weekend for my Trojans. i hope Oregon wins out though.
by SCHalo on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im more of a UCLA guy, but
seeing USC lose like that sucked. I wanted to see a USC vs LSU or USC vs Boise St. But I have been itching to see USC vs Florida, oh what a game that would be.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't wait up for it.
The SEC powers have been ducking USC for years. They gain nothing by taking on USC in anything but a title game. They already have the necessary mindshare among the media and the ranking systems (both human and computer) to keep them elevated at the national level. Winning against any powerhouse during the season does nothing to provide further, material, credibility. Losing to a USC, however, would go a long way to exposing the insignificance of running up the score against Division II schools.
The loss by USC in triple overtime to Cal early in the 2003 season was the very best thing that ever happened to Nick Saban and the LSU Tigers, allowing them to avoid what would later happen to Oklahoma after the 2005 BCS title game.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC powers have been ducking real non-conferences games for the last decade
The extra conference game right now is only hurting the Pac-10. If it takes expanding, creating 2 divisions, and a gimmee game in lieu of a non-conference game…I’m all for it. No one else plays 9 conference games; I love that it’s done. But it’s riding your high horse through a shit storm…still shitty.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gonna use my bomb for November
FUCK the SEC
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The Yankees are truly pathetic, they have more money than any other team and they can outbid any other team for any player they want. And it took them 9 years to win another WS? What a joke!
I am fan various years ago.
by Fred Fredrix on Nov 4, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are really classy
Cant you just tip your caps to the champs instead of making excuses? Im not trolling, I am just appalled that you guys can go on and write some of the things you write.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
You guys had a great year and you always beat my Yanks. We gotcha for once, all it means is Arte will refocus and build a better team.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They did win and deserve it but,
A-Rod and Pettite do not deserve a ring. Whats wrong with chin mang wong?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they not deserve it?
ARod and Pettitte proved that they must not have needed the HGH too much, where Manny didnt look like much when he came back.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there are a variety of drugs out ther
A-Rod might have been privvy to one that last longer – it is the not knowing that makes the steroid controversy such an insidious evil.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You cant really think that the Yankees won because of drug use
I’m sure there are designer drugs out there that can go undetected but would these guys take that chance here?
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
ego. the great variable in an otherwise rational universe.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
just dont like them for the PED shit.
look man I respect most yankee players but ill never respect those two.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettitte did come clean and has been a decent guy
ARod is a fake, we all know it, so he will never seem sincere. Andy is a holy roller so I think he has been pretty straight up. Then you look at someone like Clemens who shouldve followed the example these guys set instead of denying everything.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So how many Yankees are going to be free agents...
by my count its
Jerry Hairston Jr
Johnny Damon
Xavier Nady
Hideki Matsui
Andy Pettitte
anyone think they will come away with 2 former angels this offseason?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
two? Who?
I only see them pursuing Lackey.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Figgy? or Power Q!
can the angels bring erstad in place of quinlan? So willits can just be limited to pinch running.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Q's new nickname!
Power Q!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salary Cap Anyone?
Seriously, ticket prices are just going to keep up and parity is going to keep doing down while players make obscene amounts of money playing a game.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And no I’m not against players a few million playing. I’m against them making more than entire other Major League teams, major companies, and possibly even some cities and countries.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Nov 4, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*making a few million, can't type.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Nov 4, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm against media complicity
that gives free advertising to a select few regional teams on a national basis to increase the profit streams of these teams that allow them to outbid for available players.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the cowboys?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and there is a reason a salary cap hasn't been instituted in MLB.
The Yankees as a brand are incredibly powerful.
With a cap the Yankees would be in the shitter. Whereas their advance scouting and player development used to be amongst the best in baseball, that cannot be said anymore. Now, one would have to point to the Marlins, the Angels, and recently the Rangers.
Without the advantages of a publicly financed stadium, umpire and MLB favoritism and the free advertising that Rev mentions the Yankees would be in the same boat as the 27 or 28 other teams that don’t enjoy the benefits listed above, not to mention their ungodly TV contract.
In short, the Yankees are the sports equivalent of America’s Power Elite; Old Money and and Old Boys network that protect eachothers’ financial interests through a series of ongoing favors and behind the scenes manuevers that insure a competitive advantage so significant that the term “competition” is in danger of becoming meaningless, if it is not already obsolete.
by Jack Frost on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought awhile back you were against a salary cap....
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a media conspiracy. That was the 1981 Dodgers-Yankees World Series!
You can’t complain about balls and strikes! If the batter complains about strike calls the strike zone gets BIGGER!
If the pitcher or catcher complains about ball calls the strike zone gets SMALLER!
You should of learned that in Little League!
Roger and I went to McPherson Magnet (grades 1-8) School in Orange for an 1800 sign-up for the South Sunrise Little League tonight. We saw some former/future teammates and coaches in line for the sign-up. I was wearing an Angels jacket and a Phillies cap. That is my Jim Fregosi disguise. For the record Roger was on the SSLL "AA" Phillies team this past spring. The Yankees were ahead 2-0 when we left the house. It was 2-1 when we arrived at McPherson. On our drive back it was 4-1 Yankees before we returned home.
Yes, I was irritated that the sign up was on the day that World Series Game 6 was originally scheduled for. If I was one of the "powers to be" I would have had the sign-up on Tuesday, November 3rd, an off day. No, that is not my pet peeve. I get in the car at home with the Yankees leading 2-0 and turn on the radio—AM 710 KMPC. Forget what they call it now! There was no Jon Miller and Joe Morgan with World Series Game 6. Instead I get the FUCKING Laker game. There I said it! One "F" bomb per month? No, that is my first F-bomb of the year on Halos Heaven. I will go along that the 2009 baseball season has gone overtime into basketball season. Blame Beezlebud for that. Don’t blame me! On the other end of the schedule I remember when the NBA Finals were OVER before May 10th. For example, I was at a May 2, 1964 Giants @ Dodgers game with a Lakers-Celtics Finals game being played the same night. That was the only game Frank "Hondo" Howard ever hit two home runs in one game at Dodger Stadium. Duke Snider hit a 2-run home run down the right field line off of Joe Moeller to tie the game in the 9th inning. The Giants won 5-4 in 12 innings. I do not remember who won the Lakers-Celtics game. I know who won that NBA Final series, I do not know who won that game. I tuned the car radio dial and eventually found raspy reception of the World Series game at 1100, 1230, and 1340 AM. Driving through the hills of East Chapman Avenue in east Orange I had to tune back and forth to stay in touch with the game.
There were some dingbats on this website that encouraged Angel protests of umpires calls with the logic "that was the way to get under the skin of the officials, that is how the Lakers do it." I agree there were bad calls in the post season at first, second, and third base and along the foul lines. It’s agreed you do not protest ball and strike calls, under penalty of getting thrown out of the game. I do not watch Laker games, so I do not know if the players and Phil Jackson excessively verbalize at the refs. Everybody says something to the refs. I am not implying that any team is choir boys. The only basketball I watch is the NCAA tournament. Even then I probably only watch parts of 3 or 4 games. For the record, the last Laker game I went to was Game 4 of the 1989 NBA quarter-finals in Seattle (May 14, 1989). The Lakers were up three games to zero. Midway through the second quarter the Supersonics were up 43-14, but only three Seattle players had scored points. The Lakers stormed back to win 98-95. I missed the last three minutes because I wanted to avoid the traffic getting to the Red Sox @ Mariners game at the King Dome. I arrived in the bottom of the third inning of the Mariners game (an eventual 4-3 Seattle win). I have not been to a NBA game since then. The last previous NBA game I went to was a December 26, 1971 Houston Rockets @ L.A. Lakers game. It was the Lakers 27th consecutive win in a streak that eventually reached 34. That winning streak broke the professional record of 26 wins in a row (with one tie) set by the New York Giants baseball team in the deadball era. The Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul Jabbar) Milwaukee Bucks snapped the Lakers winning streak in Milwaukee.
You play the same game in the post season that you do during the season. The only urgent Flomax (no, I don’t own stock in that company) event is when you are in a must-win elimination game and are looking at the possible losing end of it. As along as you can afford to lose the game and still be alive you play your normal game. Forget what the pundits say—many of them are Yankee sympathizers.
For the NBA fans out there I suggest a truce. Major League Baseball should require every team to play four doubleheaders at home and four doubleheaders on the road. That would shorten the regular season by one week plus give every team one extra off day (hopefully in August or September). The alternative to that is to shorten the MLB regular season from 162 games to 154 games. While they are tickering with that the League Division Series should also be expanded to a best 4-out-of-7 format. For the doubleheaders two admissions can be charged. As a season ticket holder that is water off a duck’s back for me. If I don’t have the time to go to both games I will pick the game with the best pitching match-up.
by Yetijuice on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does this have to do with the 1981 WS?
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a reply to "I'm against the media conspiracy."
While I wrote this 19 other posts were made. I just pushed the “rewind” button and put this where it would have been if I could type 200 words per minute. That is a close cousin to a real time capability. I will confess to writing the headline after writing this six paragraph blog. This was not the Onion—where they write the headline first and then the article.
To refresh your memory, in 1981 there was a baseball strike. When play resumed the television network looked at the standings and saw that the Dodgers and Yankees were both in first place. The network pushed for a split season format that would assure that the Los Angeles and New York markets would both be in the post season. Viola! The League Division Series was born! It would be another 14 years before it had a sibling. Remember it takes two to make a conspiracy. The tv network CEO and the baseball Commish count as two. There you have it—it’s a conspiracy!
by Yetijuice on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might have something
but werent these teams pretty good, and didnt they have to get through other teams to get to the WS?
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they sucked
and the team with the best overall record, the Reds, did not even make the playoffs that year. You can look it up, kid.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that the 1981 setup was a joke
but the Dodgers were riding Fernandomania I thought. And I also thought both of these teams were good the year before. I know the Yanks were in the playoffs in 1980 and the Dodgers just missed. You could be right about a conspiracy though. Nothing surprises me anymore.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how many teams would go out of business with a salary cap?
Teams like the Yanks Red Sox, Mets and Angels pay to keep those teams in business with revenue sharing. With a cap, they wouldnt share revenue anymore, which would cripple the small market teams.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Yankees are not participating in revenue sharing
as long as they are paying off the construction of their new stadium. Get your facts straight.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They ripped off the city for the stadium
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not paying into revenue sharing
Do you follow them outside of October?
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do
Where do you think the luxary tax money goes? You do realize the big tv money comes from the Yankees and Red Sox for the most part? Thats where the sharing comes from. The big teams pay for the small teams.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which they currently do not have to pay
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They pay it in January, I think towards the end of the month
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They will not be payng it FOR YEARS
Because of the expenses of building the stadium.
Get to know your own team.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is not true
They have to pay that luxary tax at the end of January, that is the stipulations of the CBA. They have been the only team to go over the salary limit in recent years, while I think the Sox, Angels and Mets have paid in previous years. The Stadium has nothing to do with the luxary tax.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YES. IT. DOES.
Look it up. (Here and here are a couple of starts.) Any franchise that “invests” in a new stadium would be excused from paying luxury taxes while they pay off the debt of stadium construction. This is not a Yankees exemption, it is a baseball exemption that the Yankees are going to get to leverage.
That they get to leverage it after getting the local taxpayers to build their stadium for them is merely another obscenity. Almost as obscene as the new stadium having a huge number of luxury boxes that increase the teams coffers immensely, while providing a shelter against taxes for those who buy the luxury boxes, which burdens the local community even more by transferring the cost of paying for the stadium to those who cannot afford luxury boxes, and who cannot afford to own the Yankees, and who now have 4,000 fewer seats per game with which they might see the games themselves.
So, now we will get to see if your other understanding of baseball finances is correct. Will the rest of baseball go broke during the years that the Yankees will be avoiding the luxury tax? My guess, FWIW, is no.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No not with construction of a new stadium
Watch the vid here
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While were on the subject of a salary cap...
from Wikipedia:
Some teams, notably the Boston Red Sox and the Milwaukee Brewers have called for the introduction of a salary cap, but the opposition of the powerful MLB players’ union and the New York Yankees’ ownership group (who have threatened legal action) makes implementation of a cap highly unlikely at this point in time. Although some saw the success of NHL owners in their 2004–05 lockout as an opportunity for MLB to reform its collective bargaining agreement, baseball owners agreed to a new five-year deal in October 2006 that did not include a salary cap.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can edit a Wikipedia post, I wouldnt go with that as fact
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, why wouldn't the Yankees be opposed to a salary cap?
That would be completely antithetical to their current business model
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because even with a cap they would thrive
There is no cap on scouting or posting on players from foreign countries. So they would have a huge advantage, and what about the lower market teams who wouldnt meat the salary floor? Suppose they make a salary cap of 125 million, teams like tyhe Royals or Marlins cant afford that, especially without the revenue sharing. The Yankees do play within the rules and help baseball. Buy a championship? Perhaps. But it keeps money pouring into the game. FOX and ESPN pay for TV based on ratings. Sorry but you and I both know, the Yankees and not the Twins, not the Rays, deliver the ratings.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would only assume that the cap would include a foreign spending cap
Or at least requiring those players to go through the draft. I would argue that intially, no, the Yankees would be fucked. Their scouting system is nothing like it used to be, and they don’t generally draft well. With a cap, emphasis would go back to these areas of player development, and the Yanks have scrapped those for power in the free agent and foreign market, for better or worse.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but if they have all that money sitting idle
they could spend whatever they want on the best scouts all over the world. They can feast on all the best scouts because they could pay triple what any other team could pay. Like anything else in this world, money always has andalways will have the advantage.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SO YOU ARE AGREEING THAT THE GAMES ARE FIXED
in order for profit to be achieved, FINALLY an honest Yankee fan
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think the games are fixed
Well maybe 2004. Just kidding. If they were fixed, why would the Yankees spend so much money and not make the WS? If they knew they werent going to make it, wouldnt they scale back a bit? They havent won since 2000, yet they spent over a billion since. I think things like the Wild Card were invented to try and help the big market teams get in but after that you and I know its a crap shoot. I mean I know the Angels were better than the Sox last year, but you just never know when a team will get hot.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees have never been against the salary cap
But read this link and tell me if the cap is a good idea.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8409
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe the cap is a good idea
I am against the free advertising your regional team gets on national coverage and believe you should be paying for that extra coverage at the rate the program charges for commercials.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read the link?
I think its a great read. Just because the Yankees won once in 9 years doesnt mean the system needs to be blown up. I think baseball has thrived over the last decade. Small market teams and big market teams have won.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am against a salary cap
and so are the players.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the game is great the way it is
The Rays proved a small market team can compete if you have the right guys in charge. The Pirates and Royals show you what happens when the wrong people are in charge.
by YankeesJets on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the first time I've heard THAT argument...
And it’s still untrue.
The only reason the Rays got anywhere were the years of stockpiling high draft picks….which came from seasons of futility. Give them a few seasons of having to pay market rate for talent, and they’ll be right back where they started.
(Mariners fan here who doesn’t think the playoffs were fixed, FYI)
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 5, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, but the Pirates have been bad even longer than the Rays
They had just as many picks at the top, and they are in an easier division than the Rays. Same thing with the Royals, easier division, yet they haven’t been close. The reason because of terrible front office moves. While the Rays are making decent trades to keep their team competitive while teams like the Royals go out and waste money on guys like Farnsworth and Jose Guillen. As far as the Mariners, I dont know what the hell happened to them. I thought they were going to be contenders the last two years.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument about why the Royals and Pirates are crap
But even with the “best case” Rays, they’ll burn bright once a decade. Compare that to a team like the Yankees, where every season is a failure if it doesn’t end with a trophy. And face it, Yankees management isn’t exactly genius-level. Decent, perhaps, but certainly not above average compared to the rest of the league. You need at least reasonably decent management to win, but the range of “good enough” management varies from genius level (if you’re the A’s) to passable (if you’re Cashman).
I still maintain that the smaller payroll teams aren’t in the same universe as the $100M+ club. And even then, the Yankees had a payroll something like 60% higher than the #2 club. Doesn’t exactly promote good competition.
(The Mariners: very simple: Bavasi (old GM) systematically destroyed the team, then got lucky and looked decent when the team WAY over performed in 2007. That was his one remotely defensible season, and to keep it in perspective, that was a year where we had Jose Vidro as our DH. Yeah.)
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 5, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there are many parts to this equation
A salary cap or lack thereof is only one part of the problem.
Rev. mentioned free advertising, which undeniably exits for the Yankees.
Media bias is emblematic of a larger problem. When the LEAGUE itself has a vested interest in one franchises success above all others, then THAT is a problem. And I’m here to tell you that MLB has a VERY STRONG interest in the ongoing financial and on the field success of the New York Yankees — for alot of reasons.
You could argue that the League needs all franchises to be viable and strong, and that is largely true. But TV ratings and merchandise sales and alot of other factors support the proposition that major sports leagues THRIVE when they have one or two dominant teams who serve as flag bearers.
Fox just pulled a 13.8 for Game 1 of the World Series. The last time they saw a number that large was Game 4 of the 2004 series. And guess who played in that game? That’s right, the other BIG team the Boston Red Sox.
NBA: See LA LAKERS and TV ratings
NFL: See Dallas Cowboys and TV ratings
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is good for baseball when the Yankees or Sox are good
Of course MLB wants either the Yanks or Sox in the series, you are talking about worldwide fanbases. I dont think they do anything to make this happen though. I mean the Yankees havent been in the WS in 6 years and didnt even play in the ALCS in 5 years.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The RED SOX have been there recently though!
The Yankees would be their first choice. The Red Sox would be 2nd.
by Jack Frost on Nov 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is all about money
But you cant hate that the Yankees reinvest their money into the team instead of what teams like the Marlins do. In the end it is a business, and they are smart business men. The big advatage they have is the ability to be able to eat a contract like Kei Igawa’s or Carl Pavano’s, where it could cripple most of the other teams. But I also notice a team like the Angels is much different than it was when I was a kid. They are the class of the west now, when I was a kid it was the A’s. But good ownership and great front office has turned your team into a powerhouse too.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the Yankees do NOT reinvest their money into their team.
They reinvest their money into the talent of OTHER teams. And their economic advantages, grossly supplemented by free national promotion from multiple major media providers, allows them to survive gross mistakes and allows them to maintain an advantage over other large market teams. The Yankees currently exist with the benefit of not having to worry about any margins for error.
They have a much larger window of opportunity than small market teams such as the Marlins, who had to purchase their initial success, and then could not afford to sustain it.
That the Yankees managed to win only 5 of the last 14 titles even with all that advantage is not any reason to feel sorry for them.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I cant really disagree with this...
For the Yankees, with their payroll, anything but a World Series ring would be a failure. And yet, you still see teams like the Angels, with a significant less payroll, competing with a team like the Yankees.
Sure, you guys won. However, I think you can agree, that almost every game of the ALCS could have gone either way. It was a damn nailbiter and who knows, next year, the angels or some other team with a smaller payroll, might actually beat you guys.
Point being, despite your humungous payroll, your still beatable. And as long as some competition is still there, I cant be mad for a team dishing out billions of dollars to make a winning team.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly why Figgy and Lackey better be re-signed like Abreu was
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to say...
We got roughly 32 million left to spend til we reach last years payroll. On the flipside of things, last year the Angels had the second highest payroll in franchise history with 2008 coming in first.
Will Arte be willing to shell out huge money for Lackey and make 2010 the highest payroll in franchise history? Its a tough call. With the economy slowly getting back on its feet, lets hope so.
BTW, here is a link of a our total payroll, year by year.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Players go to NY to win a title.
Winning 1 out of every 4 World Series ever played, the Yankees are clearly the best franchise in the history of the game. Why not embrace reality instead of unfounded conspiracy theories? I have never heard such numbskullery in all of my life.
by mad science on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you need to listen to yourself once in a while.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's mad. He listens to himself all the time. His problem is that he is the only one he can convince.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you Fox News critic
go drink your Yankee Koolaid
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for U. S. Steel
you can quote me.
What we've got can't be bought
by rspencer on Nov 5, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s completely embarrassing that the only rational-minded fans in here are Yankee fans come to defend their team and their business model. You guys are a joke.
by cajuncook on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you say "rational" like it is
a desirable state of mind.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See I dont get what that post was getting at
I dont go the various blogs to troll, I just love talking baseball and football. Talking trash is fun sometimes, but I think being a winner means handling yourself with class.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that as a compliment to you and a stick-beating to the Angels fans come to conspire about corporate fixing of professional sports. Sorry if it wasn’t clear; it’s really f’ing late.
by cajuncook on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Why?
We won, why come and rub it in? Its one thing to talk baseball but what do you gain by talking trash here? I could see if you want to give it to Phillies fans after Rollins is still acting like a fool in post game interviews but why Angels fans?
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m rubbing it in? Even if I were, why are you here? Where has your reading comprehension gone?
There’s nothing to rub in; there is something to be said about any conspiracy that involves a fixed postseason, and there will definitely be things to be said about an MLB salary cap (because it’s going to come up extraordinarily often during this postseason). What am I rubbing in, that the author of this post and many of these comments are shortsighted, irrationally bitter, and stupid? Yeah, they deserve it.
by cajuncook on Nov 5, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a better way to go about it
Be civil about it, why hurl names? I have tried to show the Angels fans some facts they might have wrong. I do think they might be on to something with the 1981 season though.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are no facts. There’s absolutely no base to the ridiculous conspiracy theories; why bother arguing? As far as the salary cap goes, unless you have a PhD in economics you’re not going to be able to adequately understand or explain all of the intricate issues that a salary cap would present to the economically diverse MLB teams. The BP article you posted does a fine job of laying out the basics, but this group certainly isn’t going to wrap their mind around the concept.
by cajuncook on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why are you here cajundick?
you’re going to change my mind? oh right, by your brilliant posts here, you will change my mind. You are the stupid one and also the one wasting his time.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’re right. This blog hasn’t done a lick to deserve the rationality of an intelligent fanbase. I’m gone. Have fun wallowing in misery, arguing about how unfair baseball is.
by cajuncook on Nov 5, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Life is unfair
Baseball playoffs are fixed. There is a difference.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um.....
Are you suggesting the outcome of these game are fixed by umpires?
What in the wide wide world of sports is uh goin on here???
by AlohaHalofan on Nov 5, 2009 9:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
my apologies
For not reading the entire post. Clearly you are suggesting that the umps were paid off by fox. Whether or not they were, don’t you believe that ultimately the players executing are what really decide the outcome of games? Yes,a bad call here and there does give obvious advantages and extra chances but the players still have to make it happen on the field. My opinion is that although this is probably the worst officiated playoffs ever, you’re out of your mind if you think all these bad calls decided the winner. Even with MLB, TBS, and FOX pulling for the yanks/sox, the terrible calls went both ways in every series. Ultimately its the players on the field deciding the outcome of games. If joe mauers foul ball is ruled correctly as a ground rule double and the twins win that game, the yankees still win that series because they were better. If AJ is called out in 05’and even giving the angels that win and coming home up 2-0, I honestly believe the sox still win that series because their pitchers just flat dominated us. Not a good argument rev, it really is kind of embarassing despite all the arguements suggesting these series were fixed for the yankees to win. The yankees have had the best teams money can buy for years now and it finally worked out for them. Even though the didn’t over match or completely dominate, they played better than every other team they faced and that is all they need to do.
What in the wide wide world of sports is uh goin on here???
by AlohaHalofan on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to say that it appeared to me that the Halos
got squeezed by the umps more than the Yanks. That being said, the errors made by the Angels, not the umpires, ultimately lost the ALCS for the Halos. We beat ourselves.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is not rational to post on a baseball blog
in the first place, dude.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So Put a Cap On Individual Players...
Seriously, say no player can make more than X dollars per year. You can combine this with a payroll cap as well or not if you want. Ridiculous contracts would stop, players would go where they want, not where the cash is. And there’d be more parity and lower ticket prices.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Nov 5, 2009 8:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stop Making Sense
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Thing I Find Funny
Is The Yankees are killed for spending all this money but they didnt drive up the prices. Look at the pitching market, who set these crazy 100 million dollar deals? The Giants with their stupid Zito deal. You cant say they were trying to outbid the Yanks, the Yanks had no interest in him. How about hitters? ARod is the highest paid player in the game, who caused this? The Rangers outbid themselves by 100 million dollars. Once again the Yankees had no interest in ARod, so they didnt drive up the price. You want to blame somebody for the mess, blame stupid GMs that overpay for guys like Carlos Silva and drive up the prices.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I blame Scott Boras....
and all his clones.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While we all hate these agents, they do what they are paid to do
If you or I were world class athletes, we would want our agent to get us all the money he can.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
i would much rather my agent be my ambassador of quan…
that being sad…i agree…Boras would have his hands tied if GM’s didn’t play his game.
wondering what Ortiz did with that game ball...
by vongveng on Nov 5, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree but i dont blame owners or GM's...
i blame agents for hiking up the prices of players.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do not speak for me on this one.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Team/player bidding wars are not an open market.
You should know this. Secrets and lies by agents are how you guys got Johnny Damon away from the Red Sox.
Meanwhile, all an agent has to do is drop the “Y”-bomb into negotiations and the team on the other side of the bargaining table must consider the fact that they may have to hog-tie themselves financially for years to come.
This, by the way, is an impact on baseball that the Yankees have long had, which is not discussed so much. The Yankees have the ability to leverage their financial strength in ways that don’t actually cost them any money, but benefit them competitively. If the Yankees can arrive at a negotiation party and drive up the price that another team must pay to retain/obtain talent, they can tie up capital within that other franchise and prevent that capital from being used elsewhere to make that team more competitive. The Yankees can afford to behave this way, uniquely, because the worse thing that could happen is that the Yankees win the bidding war and obtain more talent, which they can always afford. The worst thing that happens (from teh Yankees’ perspective) is that they lose the bidding war (which costs them exactly $0) yet create a new financial burden for the other team. And this latter result, in turn, can create a financial drag on that other team’s ability to field sufficiently competitive teams year over year. Talk about win-win-win!
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent comment.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Nov 5, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
while I dislike the Yanks
how did they get to this position of power? They have been to 40 WS and won 27. Were there not 3 other baseball teams in the largest city in the US competing against the Yanks for New York cities dollars way back when while the Yanks were winning their first few pennants. Were the Yanks corrupt then? Are they now? I’m trying to figure out how the Yanks got to this point of power, going all the way back the first pennant they won.
That being said, I agree with your post.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be an interesting research paper. I don’t have all the answers. The bulk of the Yankee championships were through the 30’s/40’s/50’s and Major League Baseball was a lot smaller. Did they have better resources to create a stronger scouting system and minor league system, against fewer competitors, and able to stockpile concentrated talent?
They then tailed off until free agency kicked in. I don’t know why that happened. Maybe stale management. But when FA did kick in, the Yankees came back in spades. I seem to recall some unusual player movement through trades, as teams realized that they were not going to be able to hold onto their stars when their tenure granted them FA. So they started to dump players and the Yankees were able to pick them up. Perhaps already because they knew that paying these stars was not going to be a problem? (This is all conjecture muddled by foggy memory, which needs some major research.)
But by then, there were only two teams left in NY. Once the players were relieved of their indentured servitude, those teams with the greater access to the asset known as capital were able to leverage that capital as a competitive resource. One NY team was a bunch of knuckleheads, the other was run by King George.
The fact that the Red Sox rose to power on the wings of ESPN is testimony in favor of the theory that the Yankees had an unbalanced financial advantage through media coverage. But major credit must go to Steinbrenner for proving to be more than capable of leveraging that advantage.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the Yankees were quite terrible from the mid 60s till 76
CBS owned the team and did a terrible job. Steinbrenner bought the team in 73 for 10 million. Love or hate the guy but give him props for building an empire. During the Yankee title runs in the fifties they did have a big advantage using the Kansas City team as basically a minor league affiliate. The Yanks always took their best players in one sided deals, which is probably part of the reason the draft was established. Before the draft the Yanks had carte Blanche when it came to all the young guys. I am a Yankee fan but I call it like I see it. I dont pretend that the Yankees haven’t had advantages but they do play within the rules, so you cant blame them for it.
by YankeesJets on Nov 5, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to hate the A's
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Nov 11, 2009 6:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BooHoo! WaaaWaaa!
They won fair and square. Utley had five, count em, 5, dingers, Howard couldn’t hit a softball off a tee, and Hamels should be tossing softballs in pick up games. Also, how can anything the umps do account for Godzilla’s 6 rbi’s? I love the Angels but they have plenty of money and should have just played better. The Yanks are everyone’s favorite team to hate, but I’d rather see a parade in New York than in Boston.
by pbubba on Nov 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yankee Fans...
Go Away
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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