Bobby Abreu Re-Signs With Angels For Two Years
by WiHaloFan on Nov 5, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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According to Bill Plunkett of the OC Register (link to story), the Angels re-signed Bobby Abreu today.
"I am very happy to sign this contract," Abreu said in the team’s press release. "I really enjoyed my first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the opportunity of post-season competition once again."
Here's the link to the official press release.
"We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our organization," said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
More info to follow.
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two years is perfect
and so is signing him before Bay and Holiday are off the market and his price jumps
RIP Nick Adenhart
This is great
but it could be the end for Vlad. Do we need 2 guys that can’t cover ground in the OF?
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
Just read this on mlbtr
No money known but just guessing 2 yrs 20 million
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Nov 5, 2009 12:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
great move by the angels
i was hopeing the rays were going to sign him last offseason
Vikings 4 the superbowl
maybe Vlad to the Rays ;)
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
As Terry Smith would say....
GOOD NEWS!!
Now we just have to sign Figgy and we should be in the mix again in 2010.
i have heard Figgins wants 5/50 can you guys afford that?
Vikings 4 the superbowl
he is soth's favorite player no?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Sosh does like Figgins alot, and.....
Assuming Arte okays the financial part, I think it is fair to say that behind closed doors Sosh’s wishes probably carry about 70% weight whereas Reagins probably 30%. If this is the case then I think there is a very good chance Figgins comes back.
I haven’t seen anyone mention this in all the Figgy posts recently, but I think it is a significant point.
i dont know about the soth, but he's certainly MINE
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 5, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Both of you?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 AM PST up reply actions
So Aybar is Soth's and Arte's favorite player?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
Mathis is his favorite player.
Yes
I would guess this too. Maybe before Quinlan, too!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Though after this postseason I do loves me some MATHIS.
Except hopefully he doesn’t betray us like the Mathis in James Bond Casino Royale did!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Who's that?
I do like Robb Quinlan, though.
;-D
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
If he is asking for 5/50, then...
that means that he would probably accept 4 years at around 36 mil.
I think for a player of Figgy’s caliber — Gold Glove 3b and one of top 3 leadoff men in the game that is an absolute steal!
Not only should the Angels sign Figgy, but they NEED TO SIGN HIM.
Other than Hunter, Figgy is the most valuable Angel.
I thought 3/27 was going to get the Figgy deal done.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think there will be many teams trying to outbid each other for him
like the ChiSox, Yanks, etc…
Aybar is ready to step into his role and if not then Bobby would do a decent job in the mean time.
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Agreed...
I think Chicago gets him, imho.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, like Tex? Or like ARod?
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These are the two best examples that past postseason performance does not always equate to future post season performance, even with significant sample sizes.
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Career .172 Post Season Batting Average (122 AB's)...
God no, he’s isn’t worth 5 years at $50M. Aybar can do what Figgins can do in the leadoff spot, and he’ll be 6 years younger than Figgins when next season starts. Let Figgins go and collect the 1st round pick.
Great signing in Abreu.
I’m also in favor of bringing back Lackey, and Oliver… and that’s it. We have Jered Weaver, Joe Saunders, Jeff Mathis, Mike Napoli, Howard Kendrick, Erick Aybar, Maicer Izturis, Reggie Willits, all up for arbitration this year. Significant pay raises in my opinion going to Weaver, Saunders, Aybar, Kendrick, and Izturis. Mathis and Napolis will be moderate. Willits… does anyone really care?
The decisions being made have to be the possibilities of bringing in Matt Holliday or Jason Bay. Outside of that, we may be looking at Mathis as a full-time Catcher and Naps taking the full-time DH. I guess that means we’ll be carrying 3 catchers next year and it will be Bobby Wilson. Still a solid line-up.
1. Aybar SS
2. Abreu RF
3. Hunter CF
4. Morales 1st
5. Rivera LF
6. Napoli DH
7. Kendrick 2nd
8. Mathis C
9. Wood 3rd
With a Bay or Holliday:
1. Aybar SS
2. Abreu DH/RF
3. Hunter CF
4. Morales 1st
5. Holliday/Bay LF/RF/DH
6. Rivera RF/LF/DH
7. Napoli C
8. Kendrick 2nd
9. Wood 3rd
Pretty solid all the way around.
Napoli is gone IMO.
but would be nice to see him shock the world with 60 HRs :)
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think Soth doesnt likes him that much.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
It isn't that Scioscia doesn't like him
I think it is for the reasons outlined earlier:
1) the callup of Wilson and adding him to the post-season roster, may have indicated a belief in the front office and coach staff that he’s ready for the bigs.
2) it takes quality to get quality, and Napoli could find himself as a key player in a trade this Winter. Face it, every hare-brained scheme posited here has the Angels trading GMJ for Danny Haren or Halladay, but it doesn’t work that way. If the Angels are serious about one of those two players, a guy like Napoli or Kendrick will have to be part of the deal, along with some of the best of our pitchers in the minors.
3) If Wilson vacates SLC, then Conger can move up, but there is no reason to keep three catchers in Anaheim unless (A) Napoli is going to DH most of the time [a very unlikely proposition], or (B) he or Mathis is traded away.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
...
Dan Haren? Do you think the D’backs would give him up, its a new year and every season is different. But Dan Haren would be nasty. And you think HK can be moved as well? Isn’t he our future “Jeter”, he would have more value than Mice Tits. But I don’t know man, I just have a feeling that Soth doesn’t like Napoli.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
giving figgy 5 is insane.
32 years old, depleting speed, this would be laughably bad.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Worth whatever they gave him.
Keep in mind that he is not only our right fielder, but hitting coach is well.
RIP NA
Yeah, this should free up Mickey Hatcher for a trade.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
I'd be happy with a cheeseburger or two.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
Where to now?
Do we still pursue Holliday/Bay with 32M we have left to spend? Or do we go after a sub-player like a Marlon Byrd or Nick Johnson? Or Lackey?
RIP Nick Adenhart
2009 Is for You
Unless Arte is willing to bump up payroll
it is 23.5 million to keep it at the 2009 level according to this oc register article
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Kazmir, right, forgot about that.
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+1
You think our playoff runs were subpar in 04, 07, & 08? Imagine if our Game 1s were Sabathia/Lester/Beckett/Verlander/Lee/Wainwright/Carpenter vs. Weaver/Colonel! We must keep Lackey. His recent forearm problems actually have kept him more fresh for the postseason.
Holliday is out.
Boras already laughed off the Cardinals’ opening gambit of $96M/six years. He wants Teixeira money.
You want to pay $20M per year over 7-9 years for a 30-yr-old player who held a .792 OPS while in the American League?
.831
and he got hot after he made some mechanical adjustments, before his departure for St. Louis, where said success continued.
Nevermind that, as I discussed at some length in another section of this blog, the idea that moving to the A.L. means that someone is suddenly going to hit significantly worse is just total B.S.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm supposed to be stoked about an .831 OPS...
…for a player in his thirties who is toying with his swing to adjust to a new league?
I understand the jones that fantasy baseball strikes into men, but Holliday doesn’t do it for me. He hit .792 before the All Star Break, then he got traded a couple weeks later to the NL to hit behind Pujols, and little surprise, his performance improved.
Hitting in the NL made Ibanez, a fundamentally mediocre player, look awfully good as well this year. Matt Holliday isn’t worth $20M a year.
Who said he was 'toying with his swing?'
These players are human beings. They have and make mechanical flaws. He had one. He adjusted it. After he did so, he began to rake.
I’m not saying he’s worth a nine-figure contract. I’m just saying it’s horseshit to say that changing leagues makes someone, invariably, a better or worse player.
And Ibanez? Really? A guy who OPS+’d 123 in his last three years with Seattle is a ‘fundamentally mediocre player?’ Then this year, he suddenly goes up to 130 in a band-box stadium, and that’s because the National League made him look good?
Why didn’t Jason Bay struggle in his change? Miguel Cabrera tore up the league this year for Detroit. Our own Abreu has done fine since coming to the A.L., albeit he’s regressed with age.
Unless you wish to insist there is some inherent flaw in the National League that makes all sixteen teams more prone to drafting lesser players from the same draft class, teaching lesser mechanics to their prospects, and something in the drinking water in National League cities that causes a LEAGUE-WIDE meltdown in offensive abilities, then you’re insane. You really think that there’s some NL/AL barrier in which the National League’s best will, invariably, fail at over here? That despite drawing all their talent from exactly the same source, and competing in the same games agains the same opponents, they will always be lesser players? Hogwash.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, this is a sore point with you.
You said “making some mechanical adjustments”, I said “toying with his swing”. It would take some serious Clintonian parsing to insert miles of daylight between two phrases meaning nearly the same thing.
Your point is academic. I’m not making a generalization about AL and NL, so you’re fighting someone who is not here with you. Maybe a ghost from flamewars past? I’m making a point about a specific player: Holliday. He didn’t adjust well to this league in limited time in it.
Many players can adjust, and maybe Holliday could as well given a couple seasons. But I hope the Halos don’t pay him nine figures to experiment.
As for Ibanez, in 10 yr s with Seattle, he put up a line of .284 avg .346 ops .464 slg .810 ops as a corner outfielder. We can quibble over whether that’s “nice” or “mediocre”, but it’s not “rather good” or “great”.
Wow, this is a sore point with you.
You said “making some mechanical adjustments”, I said “toying with his swing”. It would take some serious Clintonian parsing to insert miles of daylight between two phrases meaning nearly the same thing.
Your point is academic. I’m not making a generalization about AL and NL, so you’re fighting someone who is not here with you. Maybe a ghost from flamewars past? I’m making a point about a specific player: Holliday. He didn’t adjust well to this league in limited time in it.
Many players can adjust, and maybe Holliday could as well given a couple seasons. But I hope the Halos don’t pay him nine figures to experiment.
As for Ibanez, in 10 yr s with Seattle, he put up a line of .284 avg .346 ops .464 slg .810 ops as a corner outfielder. We can quibble over whether that’s “nice” or “mediocre”, but it’s not “rather good” or “great”.
Why do you keep posting twice?
And no, there IS a substantial difference between the two statements: yours implies intent to make a change in his approach, mine implies that, as a human being, he erred in his mechanical approach. If you don’t see the difference, that’s between you and yourself. The simple fact remains that after said adjustment, he statistically improved immensely…while STILL IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. Nevermind that the A’s offense was anemic, Holliday was probably someone discontent with his circumstances, and that he almost never had to get a decent pitch to hit…and that in a lineup such as our’s, that would not be the case. Say what you will about your cherry-picked .792 OPS (which was just plain wrong), but he also OPS’d .957 for a MONTH before being traded away. Why, when this came after he made adjustments, should this be ignored? Miguel Cabrera hit VERY similarly for his first few months in the American League. He adjusted to the new league, and now he’s as good as he ever was in the NL. Matt Holliday, based on a 3 month sample, can’t hit American League pitching? Bullshit.
And you did make a generalization about both leagues. Why else would you bring Ibanez into the discussion? Twice stating in the same post that moving to the NL (note you did not just say ‘changed leagues,’ but that you actually stated that the NL move was responsible) made someone a better hitter implies some fundamental difference between the two leagues, or that some factor in switching leagues (a negligible difference at best) causes a player to become lesser.
There’s nothing to ‘quibble’ about regarding Ibanez. Mediocre implies average, or in the ballpark of average. OPS+’ing 115 is not average, or even close, by the very definition of it. Gary Carter, Barry Larkin, Paul Konerko, Robin Yount, Doug Decinces, Aramis Ramirez, Ryne Sandberg, Robin Ventura, Steve Garvey, Roberto Alomar. Know what they all have in common? They are all, according to you, “fundamentally mediocre.” All OPS’d either 114, 115, or 116 for their careers (or their careers-in-progress). That’s the same as Ibanez’s American League tenure. Now I don’t know if you just didn’t follow the guy very closely or what, but in the years IMMEDIATELY PRIOR to his move to Philly (the years most relevant to gauging how good he will be in a following year), he OPS+’d 123. He then moved to what is renowned as one of the top 3 hitting parks in all of baseball, and the number went up to 130. If you want to make this into “the NL made Ibanez ‘awfully good’”, then fine. But not only does it mean you’ve ignored what he did before he went to the NL, but also that you completely ignored park factor as well.
I never said he should be given nine figures, so don’t make that part of my argument if you would have…I merely stated that it’s rubbish to say he can’t hit AL pitching because of a 2 month window where he didn’t, and a one month window where he did. And when you defended this with examples such as Ibanez, I took that to task, as well.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
No, you say it in a Goldmember voice
“his Fazha!”
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Im all for signing Holliday if the price is reasonable
His OPS was actually .909 his wOBA .390 is slightly below his .400 career mark. I don’t think he will repeat his 06-07 performances but he is still a great hitter.
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With Boras as his agent...
… the words “price” and “reasonable” will polar opposites.
by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
No dude, you are just wrong.
That is all.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
If Holliday gets Teixeira money, then next year Mauer will be making A-Rod money.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Yikes!
hope he stays with the Twins.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Is it Mauer and Pujols as FA next year?
They will both get contracts higher than A-r*ds and the yankees can afford it.
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I'd take Pujols!
lets start saving up!
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Didnt Holliday say he would like to play in Anaheim?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yes the Angels are among his top choices to play
according to Heyman, but it’s Heyman so take it with a grain of salt. CC said he wanted to stay on the West Coast last year then the Yanks came and offered him 20 more burgers than we did.
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Maybe C.C.
decided to play in NY so he can pay the Red Sox back for that horrible 07 ALCS.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
I have a bad feeling about John Lackey this offseason
The Yankees have the resources to make him an offer no team can match without severly crippling their organization for years. They certainly need more pitching depth and Lackey happens to be the best free-agent pitcher available. SOB’s
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Maybe the Phillies, if they can get the money together.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody can match what the Yanks are willing and able to pay
If they really want to acquire someone they usually do. The only hang up for them is that sometimes a player doesn’t want to play in New York and no obscene amount of money can entice them to go there, but most players are easily wooed by the $$$ and Lackey wants to get PAID.
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But if he were to sign with philly
not only would he have a nasty line up he would also have an easier path to the WS. Not saying it would be a cake walk but easier for sure…
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Can you imagine the Yankees adding Lackey?
If that happens I may have to boycott all of baseball. Selig needs to do something about the competitive imbalance that favors the Yankees. (Like that will ever happen.)
I'm still not over losing Tex.
they add lackey
we add Holiday/ Bay and Halliday. I wouldnt mind that :)
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
CEEEELLLLLLL_E-BRATE GOOD TIMES C'MON!
Very happy.
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Not a fan of vesting options, but it's probably a good hedge against injuries.
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If Abreu reaches a certain number, usually at bats over the contract
the option vests. Meaning the Angels have to pick it up
I noticed that too.
Club option is preferable, but I’ll take it either way.
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yeah but
if he reaches 550 PAs in the 2nd year then the 3rd year is gauranteed. or if he reaches 1100 PAs over the first 2 years.
by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 5, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
That .294 is probably his slugging percentage.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
and 3 walks....
I still think Willits is a better leadoff option than Aybar…
I’m ducking now…
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
No need to duck.
He’d be absolutely stellar at lead off though if he would remove the bat from his shoulder once in awhile.
Nick would be proud.
And Abreu is better than both
OF Abreu
2B Kendrick
OF Hunter
1B Morales
DH Vlad
OF Rivera
C Napoli
SS Aybar
3B Wood
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but...
I doubt that Scioscia is going to start Abreu at leadoff. If he does, he is a more open-minded manager than I think.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Was just about to say the same thing
Good Lord.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
what happened to Matt Brown?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I looked him up.
He played for the American Olympics team in 2008. I think he’s in the Angels minor league system, somewhere but I haven’t located that info yet.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
He was lightning hot in Spring Training this year
And then fell off at Salt Lake, apparently.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Had a rather mediocre year in Salt Lake City
13 HR 69 RBI, .245 AVG
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And if the ground's not cold
Everything is gonna burn
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by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 5, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, I thought he would be competing for 3B next year.
to give Wood a run for his money.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa
I remember that lineup. Anderson, Kotchman. And wtf Willits, Brown and Mathis??
Was EVERYBODY on the DL at that time?
whats that on his lip
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Nov 5, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
According to Ed Price on Twitter:
#Angels signed Abreu for $19 million: $9 M each in 2010-11, $1M buyout on $9M option for 2012 that can be guaranteed base on plate app.
That's fair IMO. Wonder how many plate appearances are needed?
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Completely reasonable.
This is a good deal for us and Bobby.
Of the seven free agents, he was the #1 retention priority on my own list. Nice start.
nah hes not even priority.
it was automatic once the WS was over. Power Q will remain an Angel for years to come!
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I would have been fine with the price
if he was getting an extra 3 mil per year, frankly.
As is, it’s an amazing deal. Awesome that they got this out of the way…and still lots of money yet to spend should we want to.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions
+1
To think he’s getting less money than Gary Matthews, Jr is ludicrous.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
You bring up an interesting point...
Was talking to a friend of mine earlier and offered up the possibility of GMJ, Rivera and possibly a couple of prospects to Toronto for Halladay. Too tough a sell? I mean, GMJ’s contract is like a lead weight around our necks, but how hard will it be to package it?
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
Toronto already has enough lead weight contracts
they don’t need another.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Good point...
I always forget about Vernon Wells. His deal makes GMJ’s look like the steal of the century.
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
I think Wood, Rivera, Napoli/Conger, Reckling+ another prospect
would be reasonable because they need a SS, LF, C, and young talented pitching is always at a premium. I think that package would get their attention.
As far as GMJ goes I think his contract will be reworked a la Andruw Jones. So he can try to stick with another team and the angels can spread out the cost of his contract over several years thus allowing the team to spend more money now.
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Swap Wood with Peter Bourjos
and slip in SP will smith.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I dont know much about him.
but there were rumors that the Jays were asking for him, along with Saundo, Weav, Reckling.
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly...
Kaz would lessen the blow of trading Saundo. But Lackey and Halladay, thats like Kobe and Jesus!
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I've come around on Bourjos since last offseason
His defense alone makes him very valuable. I think he’s a big leaguer, even if the bat doesn’t develop enough to make him more than a super 4th OF
So is he a future OF or a role player?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Every year he gets better
So I’m not going to put a ceiling on him. Right now he’s a marginal starter/good role player, but a lot of teams are forced to pay significant money to acquire that. I think his career will develop in stages – starting as defensive sub/pinch runner while spelling Hunter more and more in centerfield, until he works his way into a starting job. We’ve had good luck with those kind of athletes ( think Figgins and Aybar).
Good shit.
because I hear alot about the future angels infield but never the outfield :(
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bourjos
His defense is really, really good, and his bat gets better every year.
Pettit’s value is primarily in his bat, which is very good, but he’s handicapped by a significant, persistent platoon split against right-handed pitching, which might keep him from becoming an everyday player. I think he’s a good fourth OF.
Bourjos also had a significant platoon split this year, but it hadn’t been an issue in previous years. With his wrist injury, I’ll give him a mulligan. And again, the guy plays a beautiful, beautiful centerfield, which is tremendously valuable for a team.
How about no
Weaver would be the start of any talks.
Wood would almost definitely have to be included.
Who the hell would want Rivera and Napoli for an Ace pitcher, what is wrong with you people?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
? about Weaver
Being a Boras client, what’s the chances of him signing long term without testing the market? I think he has like 3 yrs of ARB. don’t you think he would be ideal to trade if we go after a guy like Halladay? Closer he gets to FA, lesser his value, right?
by HALO_86 on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
bye bye figgy
although i’d like more power out of bobby, if jeter can be a leadoff hitter so can bobby. Great deal, great guy, and although i’m not sure how much he actually teaches the younger guys, his at bats have to be a calming unfluence on them at least.
free wood … but i see a maicer wood platoon coming
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions
I think you may be counting chickens.
The extremely rational cost of this deal leaves the Angels open to two moderately pricey purchases. I could definitely see them fielding an offer to Figgins and/or Lackey.
And I wouldn’t put it past the organization to view pieces like Wood and, say Rivera, as trade chips. There are a number of players entering the final years of their contracts, who will be cheaper in trade now than a year ago. Think Roy Halliday. Or Carl Crawford.
But is C.C. a real option?
anyone know whats up with Ben Sheets?
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by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sheets has been convalescing from elbow surgery earlier this year
currently throwing off flat ground and expects to be ready to pitch again by the start of spring training. He’s still interested in the Rangers, who signed him last year but voided his contract when problems with his elbow were reveled during their physical. Red Sox are also said to be showing a strong interest in signing him, especially now that he is no longer a Type A free agent.
Now there's a hole in the sky
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Everything is gonna burn
We'll all take turns, I'll get mine too...
This Rally Monkey's gone to Halos Heaven
by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
How much Wood
would a Brandon Wood chuck if a Brandon Wood could chuck wood? A chip? More?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, a trade charles then.
But I suspect, given the right target, even the tetchiest shoulder will shake that chip right off.
welcome back, bobby
nothing like good angel news to perk up your day!!
Still, I wish Nick was here
by adirondackangelfan on Nov 5, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions
Alright!
Very reasonable deal for what he brings to the team. Great start to the offseason!
I like it...
Abreu is a glue player. His contributions go beyond his individual stats. I’m REALLY glad Arte was proactive on this.
Good deal
The Ninja moves quickly- Pujols should be here by Saturday.
That is only the beginning
I heard Ninja is working on trading for Lebron James
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
Kobe is going to be mad!
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I like it. He brings a lot to the table.
This will be espn front page news for days to come.
R.I.P Nick
The only question:
Was the writing spray-painted on or written in marker?
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
This does nothing more than reiterate that Girardi looks like skeletor.
grow up Tom Reagins
R.I.P Nick
So he's not even the first Bobby Angel to reach that milestone! :)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 5, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Bye Bye Vladdy
Abreu will DH part-time…Angels will seek other options in the OF….no doubt.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions
I wonder where Vlad will land?
Anyone need a full-time DH in his twilight?
I wonder if he’d play for Oakland
R.I.P Nick
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 5, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, I hear the already signed Andre Dawson for that
next year they’re scheduled to sign Richard Hidalgo, and 2012 will be Jim Thome.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Edgar Martinez in 2013!
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
Yeah, but the first time around he was actually legitimate
or, as legitimate as a roider is gonna be.
We need someone more in the Thomas/Piazza mold to continue the tradition!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Cecil Fielder & Albert Belle...
cant wait !!
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
the rays :)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Randy Johnson?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nick Johnson is no better than Vlad at DH.
and is probably worse. That move makes no sense.
Howard Johnson
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
Gabby Johnson
We need some authentic frontier gibberish
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Larry Johnson
we need more ‘faggot’ in our clubhouse.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I lol'd
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Was going to counter
with Jimmy (or Jimmie) Johnson, but I can’t top that…a tip of the cap to you, sir.
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
ohhh THAT Larry Johnson...
eff him.. .lets go after Grandmama !
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Nov 5, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
South Park's definition
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 5, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
2 years, $9 mil each
With a vesting option for ‘12 at another $9 mil if he reaches 550 plate apps in ’11 or 1200 between ’10-’11.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4626679
This is a good, aggressive move! I will always remember that double off the wall in Fenway and him missing the high 5 and smacking Figgins in the face hahaha!
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
Wow, thats awesome, and a great first step to avoiding free-agency. Let’s hope Reagins can work wonders with Lackey, Vladdy and the rest of our FAs
RIP Nick Adenhart 8-24-86 - 4-9-09
"Hostility Abounds" 9-17-08
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I like the deal, especially the length.
I think my favorite part is that the third year is a club option.
Welcome back, Bobby. I really hope you don’t turn into a 45-year-old fatty over the winter.
I've got nothing.
Does Tony read this site?
Eerily close to what we guessed
Arte wants fewer years, Bobby wants guaranteed money
Both sides can win this:
1st year = $8MM
2nd year = $8.5MM
3rd year = $9MM team option with a $1.5MM buyout
Or something like that.
Bobby is guaranteed at least $18MM, and could make as much as $25.5MM. Not bad for an aging outfielder.
Arte is guaranteeing $18MM, but is only on the hook for two years. If Bobby maintains his productivity (youneverknow), he is rewarded handsomely, and properly.
I’m not sure either party could find a better deal this winter.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Great point.
Arte willing to shell out the bucks at the outset of the deal, nice.
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Hahahahaha, WIN
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I'm okay with this
I still say there is room to re-sign Vlad if all parties could agree on reduced pay and reduced play. But its far from a sure thing.
I hope Abreu can do his voodoo on B-Wood.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Yeah its hard to see Vlad come back now :(
maybe he can go to the Rays or Twins :)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I can only hope...
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Abreu's locker should be sandwiched by 2 next season...
Aybar and HK… and those 2 should be soaking up every bit of knowledge they can… and yes.. wood shouldnt be far from them either
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
So...
there goes my plan of forcing bobby into retirement, firing mickey hatcher, bringing in jason bay, and crowning abreu as the new hitting coach.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Know hope: Player-Coach.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
Yep
That’d be great! Though I don’t knock Hatcher too much…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I would do more of it if I thought it would do any good.
But there is no way that Sosh, with his level of loyalty, sends Hatcher away.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
Bobby will replace him when his deal ends.
They won’t even tell Hatcher he is fired, they will just change all the locks to the stadium.
NA 34
This is good news
I for one welcome our new OBP overlords.
by Suboptimal on Nov 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Is there any rule against an active player buying a % of the team he's on?
God needed a starter. RIP #34
Yes
I can’t tell you specifically what rule, but one cannot be both an owner and a member of the players’ union. Imagine if there was a labor dispute: he would have to strike against himself, or alternatively he’d have to lock himself out.
Makes sense.
I was just thinking maybe GMJ could invest some of his inflated contract as a % owner and help the team pick up a little more talent. HA HA!
God needed a starter. RIP #34
But, on the other hand,
if he disagrees with himself, he cannot walk away from his other side at the bargaining table. He has to negotiate in good faith because he already knows what he is thinking. And if he still fails to come to terms with himself, he has only himself to blame.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Signing
Congrats on this signing. Although I’m not an Angels fan, I am an Abreu fan. For a guy who hits .300, walks a lot and has a little bit of power and a good arm he has always seemed to me to be underappreciated.
A raise for him, good value for the ballclub, length of contract is age-appropriate. Well done all around
Well that didn't take long
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Nov 5, 2009 3:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Good job Tony and welcome back Bobby!
I was surprised that a deal happened this quickly. Not that I didn’t think that there was mutual interest but because given the year Bobby had and given that he is a great fit for many teams out there, I thought he was going to wait it out and wait for the market to materialize more. Though to be fair he did that last year and that didn’t necessarily work out the way he would have hoped. But I honestly believe that if he tried that again this year, there would be more suitors for him.
I actually think that Abreu makes a whole lot of sense for the Cubs and I had all but accepted the fact that he was going to sign with the north-siders last offseason. They need a left handed impact bat (he could hit 20+ homers in Wrigley and we all know he can drive in 100+ runs anywhere) and they need speed (20+ SBs for the last several years and an even 30 last year). Abreu fits both of those needs. Also, a .390 OBP is a bonus for any team.
But oh well, fuck the Cubs. I’m glad he’s a Halo.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
great move!
Bobby’s back on a short deal, but he got his raise. i dont think anyone here is arguing with $9MM/yr. that’s fair.
great move, Tony. now let’s get ourselves a pitcher!
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
How about Rich Harden?
Given his health woes, he could come cheap. And when he’s healthy, he can be a dominant ace. A perfect low risk, high reward signing. And he was healthy for all of 2008 and the better portion of 2009.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I like Harden too
when he is healthy he is one of the best pitchers in the league, but therein lies the problem. I would take a risk on him if I were Tony
NA 34
Id take Harden as well.
but just to take up the #5 spot in the rotation.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not so sure
Kaz and Santana may tax the bullpen too much. The Halos need a guy who can go more than 5 IP consistently, and I’m not sure Harden’s that pitcher, no matter how many guys he K’s.
touche...
Grabow should be signed for our BP. All the more reason to trade for Halladay :)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love that
Not sure that we could land him with what we’ve got on hand, but good lord would it be fun to see him take the ball every fifth day
Only one can dream...
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
If the Halos are going to take a gamble on a pitcher with health issues
Harden would be decent choice, but I think I’d rather go with Erik Bedard, since his ERA is lower than Harden’s the past two seasons and also to get another lefty in the rotation.
Now there's a hole in the sky
And if the ground's not cold
Everything is gonna burn
We'll all take turns, I'll get mine too...
This Rally Monkey's gone to Halos Heaven
by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 5, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Forgot about him.
He would be a nice low risk high reward option as well.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I applaud this deal. The guy was very important to us and I was impressed
following him from day to day. In the long term, we need to develop our own outfields (Trout and Grichuk are a good start) but for now we are going to have an old but good outfield.
Angels in 09!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO was my reaction
he will be worse the HGH. He did well in a contract year, he played to prove himself for not getting any offers last year. Rather see the money spent on younger guys – this team needs to get younger.
he's been putting these numbers up for a while now
contract year or not
by SCHalo on Nov 5, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Re-signing Abreu is a no-brainer because we're no guaranteed to win the WS...
Unfortunately, as history has now shown us, it won’t be until he leaves the team.
Great!
Seems like a perfect deal—hopefully it works out this way! Woohoo! PLATE DISCIPLINE FTW!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Some cool quotes.
“If you see this season,” Abreu said on Thursday, having agreed to a two-year guaranteed deal with the Angels, "the last three or four seasons have been [basically] the same [statistically]. This year I’ve been more recognized by the fans, and one of the reasons is the Angels let the people know what I’m doing here.
“It means a lot to me this year to have a lot of respect on the field. This is a team that gives you an opportunity to be in the playoffs. My first time with them, I was very close to the World Series. Why not stay?”
(source)
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Hopefully his comments will help some of our other guys realize how good it is here in the sun.
Figgins, I’m looking at you.
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If lackey goes to the bronx I lose all respect for him and will make me sick to my stomach
Bring back Lackey
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions
I rebuke thee...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA200210270.shtml
Lackey will be cheered by Angel fans no matter where he goes.
think brett favre
loved by everyone in green bay as a packer. Different story now that he’s a Viking
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 5, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nah those fans are idiots...
I love the packers but still root for my boy Favre. If Lackey does sign with NY, I expect that we do something big to counter it.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
but i mean
they are upset they signed with a rival. I would be very upset with Lackey as well.
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 5, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
yeah they were upset alright.
but burn a jersey? thats some bullshit, and it doenst solve anything.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I won't hate Lackey
…..as long as he doesn’t sign with the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rangers.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm just dreaming
but I think/hope that Lackey has enough disdain for the Yankees in his body to never play for them on principle. You just know some guys out there actually feel that way, and maybe he’s one of them. I know I would be. But I also have a murderous rage inside of me that can’t be silenced.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 5, 2009 6:58 PM PST reply actions
I see Figgins coming back
we were so close this year to getting to the WS. We just beat ourselves. 2 huge parts of this years success was Abreu and Figgy. After signing Figgy we need to take care of Lackey or go out and get a numero uno.
Figgy and Lackey, then we make one good trade and we are ready to roll into the WS next year.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
Welcome back RBIbreu........
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 5, 2009 11:20 PM PST reply actions
Proposterous prediction:
Bobby Abreu will hit 10 more home runs next year than he did this year.
RIP NA
Does that mean
you haven’t given up your amateur status?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 AM PST up reply actions
Not if he hasn't hired an agent...
…maybe just testing the prediction draft waters?
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
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