What to do if we don't re-sign Lackey
by NoDakHalo on Nov 5, 2009 1:01 PM PST
72 comments
Just curious what is running through the great baseball minds of the HalosHeaven community in regards to the John Lackey situation. Personally, I'd like to re-sign him, as I feel his is the best free agent starter out there. We all know how he feels about playing for a team with a "better offense," among other financial issues.
So my question to you is what happens if we do not re-sign Big Thunder?
The free agent market for starting pitching doesn't look great. Every option is essentially either a senior citizen or injury prone. Dumping the farm in a trade doesn't sound like a stellar idea either. And our in-house options are lackluster. So . . . what does the Ninja do if he finds himself in this situation?
FYI: I'm not interested in seeing a list of the players who, in your opinion, should make up the starting lineup, starting staff, and bullpen next season (and I think I speak for a lot of us around here). That's what 3/4 of every other off-season fanpost are for.
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.
0 recs |
72 comments
| Add comment
Email
Print
Comments
Well...
Lackey wasn’t getting any love earlier in the year because he “wasn’t dominating in the postseason” and his injury to start the season. Now everyone is screaming sign him, we can still win without him, but he is a very valuable piece to this organization.
1. Roy Halladay, I dont think It would be too much of a blow if we trade for him. They are going to want SP for sure among other ML ready players. Can you imagine if this dude gets traded to the Cards!
2. Derek Lowe, not the ace he used to be, but I would take Lowe in a pitcher friendly stadium. And Postseason experience can’t hurt.
3. Rich Harden, the dude is Mr. Glass, but if we can get 25 regular season starts from him I’d be happy.
4. Ben Sheets, how can you say no to a healthy Ben Sheets? But can he come back from his torn flexor tendon injury?
5. Eric Bedard, but I doubt he can stay healthy for a full season. :(
6. Justin Duchsherer, is he depressed because he plays with the A’s?
7. Javier Vazquez, the Braves might be looking to trade one of their SP. We can hook them up with GMJ and Rivera.
8. Aaron Harang, FTW?
9. In house options include Mosely, O’Sully, Palmer.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Javier Vazquez
He won’t play for a team west of the Rockies. It is actually in his contract.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 5, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
I hate east coast bias.
The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built
by RallyMonkey5 on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF!
why? do he just want to stay in the east coast?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wants to stay close to his family
As I recall, they live in Puerto Rico. His goal is to keep the plane flight from his team city to San Juan to a minimum. Any team which has had him has lived with that same restriction in the contract, so Chicago is as far west as he has been based.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My error
I thought the clause was in the Yankee contract, but it was in the extension he signed with the White Sox, after they acquired him from the Dbacks.
It states he can veto any trade to an NL West or AL West team.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so there is a chance he can play for the halos ;)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd? Is that you?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont know why but I'm ROFLING
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if there was a team in the western divisions that he'd play for
It would be the Angels. Supposedly the Bravos want a power hitter like Michael Cuddyer. Well, Juan Rivera isn’t that far behind. Throw in a mid grade prospect and convince Vazquez to come west and we might have a deal. Financially, we’d take on about $7 mil in salary (2010: Rivera: $4.25M, Vazquez: $11.5M), and Vazquez is a free agent after next year. SenorChuckles has it right on, and even though this isn’t a great free agent class, the Angels have the depth to navigate the loss of Rivera offensively. By no means is this a perfect trade, but the chance to acquire decent pitching shouldn’t be ignored.
Kenshin Kawakami may be another option, even though he didn’t light up the NL this year. I’d stay far far away from Derek Lowe ($15M annually) and the Braves won’t trade Jurrjens just yet (Boras warning!!!).
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?!?
Throw in a mid grade prospect and convince Vazquez to come west and we might have a deal.
How? Through kidnapping or extortion? I don’t think you understand the intent of the no-trade clause Vazquez has. This isn’t something frivolous, like “no brown M&Ms in the backstage candy dish”, but rather the expressed desire of a player not to be located more than a few hours by airplane from where his family lives. He hated being as far away from Puerto Rico as Phoenix, and so had that clause placed into his contract extension signed with the White Sox.
Most players who request a limited no-trade clause do so to prevent being traded to a last-place team or loser franchise. Vazquez, instead, wants only to never be stationed in a franchise in the NL West or AL West. That is a pretty powerful and easily understood message he is sending.
The Angels aren’t going to cajole him into changing his mind.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying that no-trade clauses aren't absolute. They can be waived.
Javy is older now, his career has taken him to a number of places, and the Angels organization has a lot of respect within the industry. I also said ***IF*** there was a team in the west that he’d play for, it would be the Angels. I would never doubt the sway of Arte Moreno, Tony Reagins, and Mike Scioscia.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the **IF**
But you’re trivializing his desire as if it was some whim. The man is devoted to his family and felt strongly enough about it to write a protection into his contract which would keep him from being traded to the AL West or NL West.
That’s pretty definite. It wouldn’t matter what Arte or the rest said, unless it was a pledge to move the franchise to Orlando by Opening Day.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GK
I’m not trivializing anything. This is the hot stove. Its the season for rumors, and we have seen a number of no trade clauses voided in recent history. Jim Thome voided his to come to LA for the stretch run. Billy Wagner voided his to go to the Red Sox. Jake Peavy voided his to go to the White Sox. Strange things happen, and unless you’re on Javier Vazquez’s payroll, you know the same as the rest of us: he has a no trade clause to the AL & NL West.
He may never leave Atlanta should they sign him to an extension. Says Javy: “I’ve never been a free agent. … I’ve never really chosen a place myself. But definitely Atlanta was always a place I was interested in playing. So far I think I’ve had a pretty good career. And we’ll see what happens.” (Fanhouse).
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose so
It’s true that we have no way of knowing what will happen for sure.
In that spirit, we can also look forward to the possibility that the Jays will take Willits for Halladay, straight up. After all, probable doesn’t matter, only possible, right?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 10, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And GMJ and I will take HGH together
I think that is more along the probable side than the possible side.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he basically
beg his way out of Arizona? This whole close-to-home thing has been with him for a while.
by dmhead on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could live in Yuma, AZ
That’s what Bengie Molina did.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ & Rivera?
Why would ATL want to outfielders? Not a wise trade on thier part.
I still think a package deal for Arroyo is our best bet if we lose Lackey.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves are pretty much set at 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, and C
their outfield is alright but Rivera and GMJ would be upgrades over Anderson, Church, Diaz, and McLouth.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA is a free agent
here’s our chance
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
-1
Boras client… I saw him sitting next to Pat Sajack during 2009 ALCS game 4 in Scott Boras’ suite.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for sarcasm
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 7, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because the ATL outfield is thin on talent
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ & Rivera
So those two are supposed to make them better? Sorry being sarcastic here.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 7, 2009 7:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not, yes...
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 7, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't your question
Why would ATL want to outfielders?
They would want two OF because their OF is thin.
For damn sure either GMJ or Rivera represents an upgrade over their incumbent options.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign or bring up another pitcher
Adenhart 1986-2009
by cupie on Nov 5, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You are going too fast. I cannot keep up. Repeat, only slower.
I wonder what John Lackey must think about how long Sosh left Juan Rivera in the playoff lineup?
by Stirrups on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cupie makes a great point
I would like to add to it by saying “Explore other options”
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
by Higz on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a great Angels baseball mind.
RIP NA
by NoDakHalo on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't sign Lackey
We Will Win With What We Got
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
by SalmonStream on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that was so 2009....
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You are right
We Will Win With What We Get
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
by SalmonStream on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We Will Play With Who We Pay
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 6, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat Lackey up
then ask him to consider our offer again.
by jessthelion on Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in total agreement
For this team at this point in time, not signing Lackey would be an epic failure.
by mustard_man on Nov 6, 2009 3:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah an even bigger failure than the empires defense of the death star….
we pretty much need him back. dark day if we lose lackster
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Nov 7, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Strike Force
Someone send him daily doses until he signs. Or better, hold out on him until he signs. That’s more like girls here. Hold out until they get what they want.
Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.
by anaheimisnotla on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This also.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
J.J Puts anyone?
mets declined his option for 2010
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 11:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if we can get him for cheap
i’m definitely in on this.
also, if lackey bails, i’m willing to take a modest gamble on randy wolf.
RIP NA
by NoDakHalo on Nov 5, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pronounced "Poots", BTW
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the pitching desperate Mets are cutting pitchers....
by mustard_man on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the mets didnt want to pay 9 mil
for a shitty year, so they are declined his option so they sign a cheaper contract.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt it be some crazy shit it they started to rebuild.
and start trading away players like Wright, Reyes, Beltran?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
J.J. Putz
How does signing him help with losing Lackey. Lackey is a starter, Putz is a reliever.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't
but it could potentially help our bullpen, which would see about 30 more innings of work throughout the season if lackey isn’t re-signed.
RIP NA
by NoDakHalo on Nov 6, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner
I’d rather bring in Billy Wagner than Putz. But Wagner thinks he is still a closer. So I doubt he would sign. Would he be better than “Arson” Fuentes?
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner is not better than fuentes...
and I think you have to give up draft picks to sign him.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 6, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would think we would've learned by now
by letting Bengie go we need to stick with our guns! Lackey is worth what they give him he is the heart ad soul of this team!
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Letting Bengie go a bad thing? I consider it one of the finer days of the organization.
by snowhor on Nov 6, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree.
Bengie couldn’t move behind the plate. Still can’t. His defensive value is toast. He still slugs OK (not checking numbers, so don’t shout if I am wrong) but he is a mess of a catcher now.
People bitching about Napoli would be literally throwing things through their TV set if they watched Molina try to catch nasty breaking pitches in the dirt.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Nov 7, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus
Letting Glaus go “then” was a mistake. Should have held on to him for 2 more years.
by Baylorsgroove on Nov 7, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't interested in "2 more years"
He signed for four plus an option.
Teams don’t have the luxury of cherry-picking the number of years they want the player in free agency.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals just paid him $12M to occupy their DL for the entire season.
McPherson was the correct play. It is just unfortunate his back was so fragile.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 8, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
D McP, why did you fail me?
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
by Slasher52 on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What would it take to keep him?
15 mil/year?
by jessthelion on Nov 7, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's asking for
5 years / 100 million
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Nov 7, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol i just spit out the water i was drinking while reading that…. I wonder what artes reaction was when he heard that lol
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Nov 7, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle has a lot of salary $$ coming off the books this season
Lackey will get his money. If Arte won’t pay him, Ninja better have a very capable “Plan B” ready. You don’t replace the ace of the staff with a Bell / SOS / Palmer trifecta.
by mustard_man on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful he'd sign with Seattle
At the end of the day, Lackey wants to go with a winner, a team with a realistic chance of making the postseason. Seattle is in the midst of a rebuilding, trying to recover from the bad contracts and trades issued during the prior regime and a failure of some touted kids to deliver.
Seattle is better off taking all that “saved” money and throwing it at Felix to extend him past 2011. Otherwise, they’ll have to trade him, leaving the ace of the staff as Carlos Siva, and his deal doesn’t end until 2012.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he wants to be a winner
he should stay with the Angels
by jessthelion on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Join the community and dive in!
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
