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Adrian Beltre

Buried at the end of Jon Heyman's latest article is a blurb about how if the Angels don't bring back Figgins, they are "expected" to look into Adrian Beltre (also some interesting info on some negotiations with Lackey that went on earlier this year): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/11/09/winter.preview/index.html?eref=writers

Here is a link to Beltre's page on Fangraphs (as well as a recent article by Dave Allen about Beltre's value): http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=639&position=3B

Have to admit I hadn't thought of Beltre at all as a possible replacement for Figgy at 3b, but it is kind of interesting.  Beltre would probably be relatively cheap, coming off a rather poor year.  We wouldn't lose anything on defense.  We wouldn't have to rely on a young player (Wood) stepping in and being productive right off the bat...or could said young player be bait in a trade for Halladay?  Thoughts?


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Fogetta bout it

The only way I’d be okay with Beltre playing 3B for the Angels if somehow that Aybar is traded away and Wood plays SS.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

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by Jay Cal on Nov 9, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

His .325 avg OBP the last 3 healthy seasons he's had isn't very impressive

Neither is a batting avg below .270 during that time. He has average power for a 3rd baseman and most of his value comes from the outstanding defense he plays at the position, which is a notch above figgins’ defense.

I’m all for giving Wood a shot at third because of the offensive potential he has, but if he were to get shipped in a trade for someone, like Halladay, then Beltre would be a good option at third.

NA 34

by blochead on Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JUST SAY NO!

Adrian Beltre is a great defender but mediocre offensive player at best. He had one monster roid year with the Dodgers and that’s it. And most importantly, he’s an OBP black hole. I think it would be a horrible idea to add a guy like that during a time when we are trying to become a more patient team and especially since we just re-signed Abreu to solidify that.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"NO!"

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by 44FAN on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Gawd I hope this is Heyman typing on too much hash. It makes zero sense for the Angels. It’s Wood’s job if Figgins leaves.

As an aside, Figgins’ status is a Type-A free agent, meaning if we offered him arbitration and he signed elsewhere, we’d gain a draft pick. This could result in less suitors, and if we don’t keep him, we at least get a pick.

by Sethy on Nov 9, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Personally...

I’m okay with signing Beltre at 3rd. His range and arm far exceed Chone Figgins. He has a good deal of speed. Not like Figgins grant you, but he is quick and would not hurt us on the basepaths. Perhaps Abreu could work with him too on being more patient. He’s averaged 24HR’s, and 88 RBI’s a year. Forget the little guy Figgins. We got pushed around by the stronger Yankees this past post-season. Figgins has an embarrassing career .172 batting average in post-season over 35 games. Aybar can be our new lead-off guy.

by matt92130 on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about his arm far exceeding Figgins

This season, Figgins had a gold glove style defense at third. If he wants to chase the money and die in Chicago, it’s Wood’s time to shine. Beltre had one roid fueled success (hence his head looking like a partly deflated balloon) and that’s about it. As for Figgins shitty post season numbers, Beltre doesn’t strike me as the answer to that problem.

The only magic number now is #34

by Teixeira Who? on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh????

Can’t teach an old dog new tricks….. hmmm… interesting. I could have swore Figgins, Hunter, Kendrick, and Aybar credited Abreu with teaching them patience and becoming better hitters. Figgins is 31, same age as Beltre and he learned. Hunter is 33, two years older than Beltre and he learned. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks? Hmmm… must be a real old saying.

by matt92130 on Nov 10, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

The only player to significantly increase his walks was Figgins, which was the third year in a row hes turned that trick, so its tough to credit Abreu for that. No doubt he was a great influence on Angel hitters last year, but you can’t expect him to magically make every hacker he plays with turn into Rickey Henderson.

by dmhead on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One caveat...

The averages have been since he joined the Mariners.

by matt92130 on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Trade

I still think we can work out a trade with Cincy, and send Wood, HGH, F. Rodriguez and either Bell or O’Sullivan to the reds for Arroyo and Rolen.

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let it go

Your crush on Rolen borders on the ridiculous. If the team needs a formerly great 3B with a bad body, it can sign Glaus far more easily. Once Rolen’s deal is up at the end of next season—then what for 2011? You’ve already traded away the heir apparent for 3B.

Besides which, the financial obligations for GMJ equal those for Rolen and Arroyo. Why would you give up three other players on top of that?

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only piece I agree with...

is trading GMJ.

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by Slasher52 on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Oakland might sign him for 3B/DH

Especially as insurance against Chavez flaming out in his final season in Oakland…which I think anyone expects to happen, based upon the last few years.

Except the agent in question is Scott Boras. I don’t think he’d entertain such an offer unless it was the only deal on the table.

But for the Angels—no thanks. If the team is loath to sign a long-term deal with a guy who’s expecting a raise from $4.75M, then what would it expect to pay a guy who made $12M last season?

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Nov 9, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No way Beltre!

Happy Birthday to the ground!

by Monkeyspanked on Nov 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beltre

Do not sign him. Even when he had his big year in L.A. I knew the guy was a fluke. Could not come through in the clutch for the Doyers. As for his power numbers, that new park in Seattle is pitcher friendly just like the one in San Diego. Power numbers are going to drop.

How about Brian Giles for left field. :P

by Baylorsgroove on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

If Seattle is a pitcher friendly park, than how would his power numbers drop? Just trying to understand the logic here.

by matt92130 on Nov 9, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please no.

I like our chances with Wood much better.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Nov 9, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why is everyone so confident in Brandon Wood?

He is not a sure thing. I don’t think Beltre is the solution but it is silly to assume that Wood will have a big year starting in the majors.

by ryanfea on Nov 9, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

^ Yeah This ^

Recommended For the Truth

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

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by Jay Cal on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The perils of writing about 30 teams, instead of 1

Three chances of this happening: Slim, none, and fat. Beltre is a nice player, but we have a promising power-hitting shortstop who will work for minimum wage, and a multi-year track record that indicates he will be given a shot (with a very capable Izturis ready to step in at a moment). Chances are decent that Wood will hit better than Beltre by 2011.

by mattwelch on Nov 9, 2009 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So is Heyman must be banking on Abreu-The-Hitting-Coach to fix Beltre-The-Batter?

Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.

by Stirrups on Nov 9, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Now let’s hope I didn’t jinx it just now…

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Nov 10, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Careful, he might knock back.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Nov 10, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah...

Wood is DMac2.0 (anti-jinx to unjinx clutch’s jinx)

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre had one amazing year

And of course it was his contract year. Then he cashed in big and has dissapointed. In this day and age you can’t help but wonder if he had a little “help” during that one year. Kinda’ reminds me of a certain 4th outfielder we have.

OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.

by 10 27 02 on Nov 9, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"Beltre had one amazing year, and of course it was his contract year."

“Then he cashed in big and has disappointed.”

And no team needs more than one Gary Matthews Jr. ;)

by Hoppity Hooper on Nov 11, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre is a decent player

With Beltre, 2004 was a season you just throw away when considering the type of player he is.

Beltre is a streaky player with a mediocre on-base percentage but who will generally hit 20-25 home runs by the end of the season.

He is also probably the best defensive third baseman in the Major Leagues, making all the plays – routine and otherwise.

On the other hand, he wasn’t at all healthy in 2009 and he has played nearly 11 years in the Major Leagues already, despite being only 31 heading into next season.

The Angels have Wood waiting in the wings and it seems like they’d rather go with someone who is unproven, yet has legitimate talent and home grown.

If Wood falters and/or doesn’t figure things out early, then Maicer can slide over and take over for a while.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You won’t replace Figgins performance this season.. Gold Glove LOCK and maybe a top 10 mvp candidate..

I say we save money for the pitching we need,and if anything is left over,try and get a legit DH or a bat off the bench.

by raven191 on Nov 10, 2009 5:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

NO. Even if we loose Figgy and Wood doesnt work out...

we’ll still figure it out. Mice Tits can platoon there along with maybe even the likes of a Freddy Sandoval if Wood is really blowing it.

As mentioned earlier by, I believe, RGHAN, the Angels tend to make lineup adjustments that allow one-new prospect, per year, to get adjusted into the lineup. Last year, it was Kendry, but he was raking so much that it didnt seem like an adjustment.

Do it for Nick '09

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 10, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like we have to tighten that Figgy up!

Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.

by Stirrups on Nov 10, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go for Granderson

MLBTR says he might be available, he’s signed for 3 more years at $25mil, he could replace Figgy at leadoff and play RF. Our OF gets younger and faster and better defensively.

I am fan various years ago.

by Fred Fredrix on Nov 11, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why not David DeJesus

or one of the favorite potential trade mentions, Carl Crawford?

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by Slasher52 on Nov 11, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather Granderson over Crawford

because Crawford is in the last year of his contract.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've read that Crawford wasn't happy about his option being picked up for this year.

How true that is, I don’t know. Crawford is a great player, and perhaps we can sign him to an extension. I like Granderson, but I like Crawford more.

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by Slasher52 on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

O yeah.

Crawford is higher on my wish list too. But does he want to hit FA next year, or would he be willing to get locked up to a long term extension before then?

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why dont the angels just give Wood a shot?

Lets says figgins resigns or the optfor beltre.

Would angels be interested in trading Wood for Mike Wuertz (FA after 2011) or will the bullpen be good enough with jepsen, shields(if healthy), etc

If anyone remembers at the deadline there was discussion of Srod for Wuertz. Howdoes woods)out of options) affect his value?

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 11, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think lack of options affects his value.

He still has arb. years coming his way, so he is still a corner infielder with pop playing on the cheap. I think our ’pen will be fine next year. No Shields was a blow that we were lucky to not have blow up in our face. Also, I am definitely not interested in hearing that the Angels traded Wood for a reliever straight up.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Angels should pass on Beltre and his slider-speed bat

Give Wood his chance as an everyday player at third.
Use the Figgy money on a good LH DH. There are various candidates on the market (Matsui, Thome, Delgado) that won’t cost a fortune but will be of value to the Angels.

by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

that Wood should be the first choice at 3b in 2010, esp. if we add another bat (other than Abreu) to produce runs. I did like the idea of bringing Beltre aboard on a reasonable contract if we ended up trading Wood to get someone like Halladay, but George Kaplan reminds me that Beltre’s agent is Boras, so the chances of signing him to anything reasonable are slim, and there is no chance of signing him to a bargain contract. If anything, Boras will probably try to get him to sign a one or two year deal ala Andruw Jones with a team to rebuild his value. He might hit 25-30 hrs playing in a NL bandbox like Philly.

by Bly-lovin on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I cannot under any circumstances sign a guy

whose testicle exploded because he refuses to wear a cup.

Not on my team, no thanks.

Maybe while we are at it we can look into Lance Armstrong?

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 12, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no to Beltre

No upside whatsoever and we’d further block Wood’s progress.

by thewebb on Nov 13, 2009 11:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs


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